Why did it flop?
>>217103369Because it was a spin-off nobody asked for or wanted.
>>217103369It screams "Wait for streaming."
>>217103369Unnecessary cash-in spinoff by a famously shit director
>>217103369Ugly female lead
>>217103369Nobody gives a fuck about "le strong badass woman" not even women
>>217103369Because she makes more sense as a side story. A would be assassin of John Wick who is the protypical femme fatal murder bitch who us doing it to be free of that world. Instead of killing her they send her on a suicide mission to kill John wick.Ends with them falling in love and her "dying" Hint hintLeading to the movie ballerina where we see her origin and hiw she really breaks free from the organization with last minute help from an old friend. Cue them driving off into the sunset with the dog and a positive pregnancy test on the seat.
>>217103369The Asylum also made a shitty knock off for some reason. Must of thought it was going to be big
>>217103369women don't buy these tickets, men do, so if you want a violent girlboss movie, it at a minimum needs gratuitous female nudity of some kind to show the movie isn't woke
No nudity no panty no sexy scenes what's the point of hiring a sexy actress if you don't use her
People are sick of John Wick even if they won't admit it. A bunch of retards running around shooting each others bulletproof invincibility suits for 4 hours isn't entertaining. The first one was okay except for the music being loud as fuck over all the dialogue.
i dont know if the hyper violent action fad is over. we will know with john wick 5. nobody gave a shit about that boy kill world movie too.
>>217103606>at a minimum needs gratuitous female nudity of some kindFun fact, the original script, prior to it being rewritten into a John Wick movie was exactly that. >Some of the action sequences and other scenes from Shay Hatten's original 2017 spec script: A shower scene with Rooney (Eve Macarro in the film) which turns into an all out nude fight scene when she gets attacked while showering>The script was filled with lot of graphic and very bloody violence, and gratuitous nudity
>>217103369It actually probably would have done fine (not a hit, but made its money back) if it hadn't been a nightmarish production
I don't know, 137 million isn't awful. The budget was just way too big at 90 million. If the budget was like the first Deadpool's, 58 million, it would've been an ok result.
>>217103606>if you want a violent girlboss movie, it at a minimum needs gratuitous female nudity of some kindDoes it? Theres no gratuitous female nudity in say, Atomic Blonde or Fury Road
>>217103782Atomic Blonde made 37 million less, only 100 million. But it was also made for just 30 million.
>>217103826Thats basically the exact same box office when adjusted for inflation
>>217103369It's rock solid actually
>>217103369No one wants to see a movie called Ballerina because that sounds lame
>>217103369I liked it.
>>217103369The story was all over the place and the villains sucked ass. Evil cultists that are so brutal they terrify the High Table then they get wiped out by an amateur woman and sleepy John Wick? Reminder that John himself couldn't seriously put a dent in the High Table after all was said and done. Everyone shitting themselves over these cultists who jobbed instantly. It's not just a branch of the cult either, they killed them all at their main base including their fatass joke of a leader. And what the fuck was the point of Ballerina's sister who died immediately after revealing their relation? That was total nonsense. The badass flamethrower henchman guy was a waste too since we never even got his name or anything about him, compare that to Caine or Zero or even fucking Cassian who got some hints and buildup. Soulless movie.
>>217103943Not in terms of fitting in with the timeline of the John Wick movies it isn’t
>>217103369Misogyny on the part of incel chuds who can't accept a strong female protagonist.
>>217103755It lost money, anon. Someone really thought an actress who never carried a big movie before was gonna carry an action movie called Ballerina because it was set 'in the John Wick Universe'.
>>217104133You got a point. All the uncs who are the biggest audience for this genre aren't going to go watch Ballerina.
>>217103538People used to like sexy badass women (it was a whole genre) but chuds took over. Can't make a movie with a female lead anymore without half of the audience crying about it.
>>217104608Yes. If Underworld was released today you would have a bunch of youtubers crying about "girlboss"
>>217103369She wasn't walking around completely naked, oiled up and wearing stripper heels through the whole movie, for some reason
>>217104655Weird ass scenes like this took over and pushed people off. And look at the Charlie's Angels newest reboot. It just feels off compared to earlier ones.
It's just kinda boring until the armoury scene and then it picks up. But they waste like half a movie whereas the John Wick films usually have good shit right from the start
this movie was available to watch on a long flight i had recently, i turned it off after 10 minutes, its total shit
>>217104655why you commies need to always lie? who the fuck you think that made the movie you of your pic PROFIT, retard?
>>217103369They killed John in the last one which knocked all the wind out of the franchise, Marvel had the same problem with endgame and Tony.It's unfortunate because it has a lot of genuinely good ideas and avoids the usual pitfalls of this type of movie.
>>217103369All you need to know about female assassins in the John Wick franchise is “your membership has been, by your own hand, revoked”.
>>217103580Ah yes, Indian ballerinas. That makes much more sense than women raised in the Slavic Bolshoi feeder system that’s been around for three hundred years or more.
>>217103606>violent girlboss movieWasn’t ’Atomic blonde’ a flop as well? I remember watching it and thinking “I could be scrubbing the shower instead of this”.
>>217103689First movie was genuinely great.Second was okay, well, that was watchable.Everything past that was overblown, overworked garbage.And don’t even get me started about ‘Tales from the Continental’ which was just ‘John Wick Diversity edition’. Pro tip: if large numbers of your cast are black, having no infill lighting is a bad idea.
>>217104608Coming from someone who instinctively rejects a strong straight white make protagonist, LOL.
>>217103369nobody human had any idea this existed, the marketing budget must have been zero
>>217103369Would have been profitable if she had gotten naked.
it insists upon itself
>>217103737>>The script was filled with lot of graphic and very bloody violence, and gratuitous nudityWhy do they refuse to give us kino.
>>217104632She's a very popular actress and it's a very popular franchise - it's a sound plan. The problem is that it came too late in the series and her career. If it had come out around the time of JW 2, which is around the same time that Blade Runner 2049 came out it would have made a lot more than that.
>>217106265The problem is:>it's called Ballerina>it's a spinoff featuring a character that's not even in the main series>you hire a sexy actress who has no problem going topless and you don't have her go topless>it's called Ballerina>it's a female-led spinoff from a male-led series>it's called Ballerina
>>217103369I liked the flamethrower
>>217103470Superior Ballerina is superior.
>>217106353>you hire a sexy actress who has no problem going topless and you don't have her go toplessThis is perhaps the only point you're pushing that I agree with, to an extent. There are loads of female assassin movies and most of them don't have nudity. The name is not relevant if the marketing is done well enough
>>217103369>HIGH TABLE: BALLERINA>A John Wick FilmStakes upping directly in the title that everyone John Wick familiar will understand at a glance. Extended Keanu and Fishburn cameos wouldn't hurt either.
>>217103369It was okay for shoot 'em up slop. At least you get some pretty girls. Caveat I've never seen the other Wick flicks lol.
>>217106392>The name is not relevantIt is though since Men didn't go see it because it was called Ballerina.
>>217106776Says who? The full title is>From the World of John Wick: Ballerina
idk i seen others ripoff the movie premise hard that it basically drowned it out of the search engines and the curiously.its a solid movie tho
>>217104602Ohh you're talking about the movie
>>217106802Says me.
>>217107040Ballerina Overdrive is going to make money
>>217103755True. The budget should've been $25-$30 million like the first movie. $90 million is fucking insane.
>>217103755But then it wouldn't have been the same movie with almost half the budget.Would have made even less no doubt.
>>217103369No marketing? I didn't even hear about until this thread.
>>217103538>Nobody gives a fuck about "le strong badass woman"I do
>>217103369Spin-offs are hard but let me summarize When ppl say they like ana de armas in a movie, they mean they want to see her being hot not strong or dangerous It also means she owes me sex, there's an excel sheet where actresses named get more red as they delay delivering the sex they owe, ana line in that excel is already 255 on red so... Not a lot of goodwill left for her
>>217107368Difference is underworld actually had fap worthy moments
>>217103538I do.>>217108465the difference is that underworld had actually decent world building, and kate beckinsale in spandex obviously.
>>217103369everybody knows that girls can't do shit other than suck dick
>>217104608Its not even strong female protagonist. Its female protagonist that takes up the role of a man and fights like a man. It was something novel and new when kill bill did it. But prior to that "Strong" female leads weren't jump kicking men twice their size. You had strong female protagonist like in silence of the lambs, Fargo, alien etc.
>>217106776Men went to go see the barbie movie
>>217104676>>217104608Cope.No, I wouldn't watch Underworld, because it's schlock.
>>217103642DING DING DING DING DING
>>217103782You have plenty girl that are clearly there to be eye candy anon, both in the real world AND in the mad max worldeveryone is wearing leather and faux armor and this girls are only wearing the cleanest, whitest, almost transparent gownsYou are right that there is no nudity, but it has women that serves at the same purpose
>>217108631I went to see it because there has a guy slapping barbie's ass in the trailer and the trailer showed absolutely no anti-family materialI was barfing by the time I was out, it was the exact opposite of what I expected
>>217103369no john wick no watch
>>217108631And barbie toys saw a dip in sales the same year. Stop letting creepy middke aged feminist broads handle shit aimed at women families and children.
>>217103369>feminist propagandaChicks don't want to watch action flicks and guys don't want to watch stronk womyn flicks.
>>217107368yeah but you are friendless loser who never goes to cinema so...
>>217103369John Wick 1 & 2 were good. 3 was mid and 4 was terrible with less violence and gore making it unbelievable. Then you want to hijack the IP and make a spinoff with a girl as MC after a decade of girlbossing.>>217104655>>217107368These were cool tho. I don't really know how to word the difference but these films were playing straight and felt genuine. Modern female leads just feel like girlbosses to spite the viewers or fans.
>>217104655>Can't make a movie with a female lead anymore without half of the audience crying about it.Then don't, you fucker. Here is a revolutionary idea: make a movie people will like! Crazy huh?
>>217103369John Wick 4 had already jumped the shark and gone full circle back to the whacky nonsense gunfights that the series was lauded for fixing initially. Ballerina just doubled down on that and also added a bunch of gratuitous gore for no reason. The world is totally played out at this point and they need to just drop it and move on.
>>217104871Not enough black or bald women. Where's Buck Angel when you need her?
>>217106392>The name is not relevant if the marketing is done well enoughI put on The fast and the furious with my mum and she said upon reading the name."This is a movie about cars smashing into each other?"Ballerina doesn't read as a action movie.
>>217110148Nigga I know you didn't @ me after all this time just to say this dumb shit
It's funny how she kills a hundred men in the movie but jobs to John Wick
>>217103369Men are superior to women in every way other than ability to be a whore and shit out babies.They're not believable as action stars because it's not plausible for them to win in any kind of hand-to-hand combat with a man.
>>217110297Bro its a movie
>>217110240It wasn't going to break lore because of MUH STRONG WIMMEN.
>>217110358Doesn't matter, suspension of disbelief can only be stretched so far when a skinny little woman takes out a muscular man in a fight.
>>217103369>Why did the spinoff of a movie about Keanu being awesome not do well>Didn't have keanu>Franchise already reaching its natural lifecycleGee I dunno
>>217104655They removed the sexy part and made them badass at the expense of men. That's why.Now, any whiff of a girlboss lead turns people off because they have been politically agitated to recognise the pattern.
>>217103577>a positive pregnancy test on the seatWhy would you put a piss covered pregnancy test in your car?
It was okay, I liked the incendiary shell shotgun homage with the flamethrower. Surprisingly enough they didn't make Keanu lose to her for girlboss points.
>>217103411I enjoyed it, it's a fun movie, Ana/Eva is a cute pixie warrior you root for, and has some cool set-pieces (Ice Club, Flamethrower).
>>217103577You didn't see the movie.
>>217104871The infamous Endgame scene is an example of Marvel's empty virtue signalling tokenism,,similar to what they have always done in the comics. For 95% of the movie the women have little dialogue or interaction, but Marvel virtue signals for 2 minutes so they can pretend to be progressive.Note how none of the women actually interact with each other in any way at all, in contrast to Tony, Cap, Thor, Scott,,Clint, etc. They just do a short scene and are then quickly tossed aside.
>>217110404> John Wick gets slammed into the side of a car and immediately gets up.> John Wick falls down stairs and then just gets up instantly.> John Wick survives being shot at point blank.Muh Realism lol.
John Wick works because our stupid unconscious monkey brains see the cool shit he does and thinks, "That could be me". When you see a pair of tits flopping around your brain then goes, "that's not me".
>>217103470Who is this dude?
>>217111699So explain all the other successful female-led action movies.
>>217103369wait, this came out?
>>217105511>They killed John in the last oneeveryone and their mother knows he's not REALLY dead
>>217107096>It follows a group of ballerinas as they try to escape from a remote inn after their bus breaks down on the way to a dance competition.>Director: Vicky Jewson>Stars Uma Thurmanmfw
>>217111699>When you see a pair of tits flopping around your brain then goes, "that's not me".what if you have AGP? a-asking for a friend...
Saw it, meh/10 Imho it mainly suffers from either the main character not giving Ana De Armas anything to work with. There's no room for any of what made her role in that James Bond movie so good and such a natural fitOr the character was fine and they should have cast someone else
>>217112255No
>anons bitching that men don't want to watch a movie called Ballerina>they know damn well they all watched picrel that was about actual ballerinas and wasn't even an action film
puffy labias have gone out of style. People prefer innies these days.
>>217112826WTF is the picture on the mirror there? Is that a fuckin' semitic goblin?
>>217112897sorry anon that's a spoiler and I'm not comfortable revealing story beats for this movie
>>217103369I like female action heroes but they have be somewhat believable at least in their vibe. Armas has a baby-faced bimbo vibe. I liked Emily Blunt when she did action movies. Then there's the classics like Linda Hamilton and Sigourney Weaver. Angelina Jolie nailed the sexy femme-fatale look. The resident evil chick though, thumbs down.
>>217112906Oh, it's the Samson Option. Got it.
>>217103369>Here is a John Wick movie but instead of John Wick it follows this chick.Sounds fucking retarded.
>>217112826It was called Black Swan. Sounds like a murder thriller, which it was. Ballerina sounds eh...
Spin offs are always hard to pull off. I liked the movie, it's a slow start but there's great action in it. Apparently the director of the John Wick films had to step in and reshoot a lot of scenes so that probably didn't help.
>>217113033>From the World of John Wick: Ballerina>gee, what could it possibly be about?
>>217112865innies have always been peak aesthetics
>>217112826>>217112897NP plays a homicidal psychotic overachieving perfectionist, her best most believable role because she's basically playing herself, and she has no range.
>>217113097That's even worse because it's too long winded of name, just like>Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One
>>217103369The did everything to mask Ana de Armas' natural sexyness.Stupid haircut, disgusting tattoos and most of the film she's in clothes hiding everything of value about her body.In "sexy badass action girl boss", you, at least, have to be sexy.Movie was decent and I actually did my part and watched it in theaters, but you can feel the clusterfuck of a shoot it was and how they got Keanu at the last minute of reshoots so he could be put in the trailers to help sell the movie.
>>217104655The difference is that current year action girls are made to spite men and 2000 action girls to please men.
>>217110240Same way how you have a REALLY hard time if you try to kill Leon Kennedy in Umbrella Corps or whatever that game was OR even and actually Much better example : if you , yes You, if You.... try to kill Nico Bellic in GTA Ballad of Gay Tony as a Louise Yeah, sure, you are Louise and Already murdered 6 million Liberty City'ians including Very heavily armed SWAT team and will murder 6 million more, but Nico here is The Main main character buddy, so I hope you armed yourself with lots of RPGs little stupid fucking n
>>217110844tbf those are only features in the later JW movies, in the first one (the only one that's actually good) it's far more grounded when he gets injured and has to cope with it.
>>217112826>>217112897>umm, Darren, why is This picture in My room? This wasn't in the screenplay>don't worry about it
>>217110240Dude, that's the expected outcome. John Wick is the Superman of the wickiverse.
>>217110786>in contrast to Tony, Cap, Thor, Scott,,Clint, etc.these had very little interactions too btwAll the shit that mouseshills were giving during the Snyder-Ayer era of DC , the MCU is the most guilty of them, especially with cookie cutter machine they built. There is literally 0 movie where Avengers are actual friends like in the comics. At best they are working colleagues, meanwhile an Actual Zack Snyder managed to do Clark - Bruce comics friendship in just 1 minute scene.
How would people react if Wick did this?
>>217113476I don't know if you have seen the John WIck movies but they have approximately 700 scenes where he does that.
>>217106265She has a fat pusy
>>217103369cinema is dead. everything flops. simple as
>>217103369the only Wick spinoff I would have been interested in is a prequel featuring Perkins but they missed their shot for that
>>217113476Those are some incredibly accommodating stunt men. Reminds me of the Rey and Kylo scene, you know the one.
>>217103369It is very good. Rare for a female lead action movie.
>>217103470Loved the chainsaw scene.
>>217108985But he's in it and they team up in the 3rd act
>>217103369It was better than Nobody 2 at least
>>217114061they are not going to last in the business if they start telling the choreographer that his choreography is putrid dogshit.
>>217109447>I don't really know how to word the differencethe difference is that your mental illness has progressed since those earlier films.
>>217108524Oh, wow, I had forgotten about this movie
>>217113476Why did they all forget how guns work?
>>217113521Feel free to post them.
Could have been interesting if it took her physical weakness into account, forcing her to outsmart opponents on the fly, giving her a distinct fighting style, instead we just got "john wick but girl"
>>217108631With their wives and girlfriends. It was also a meme movie.
>>217115648I went to see it with my mom
>>217109054you talk like a fag and your shits all retarded
>>217103369Ana De Armas isn't an international movie star despite what French Hollywood says.
>>217113476JUST FUCKING SHOOT HER WTF
>>217106392>There are loads of female assassin movies and most of them don't have nudity.and they're generally not very good
>>217113476>men with guns running up to a woman with a sworddoes hollywood really not know how guns work?
>>217103369It was just not that good. It was better than Wick 4 but that's not saying much
>>217103755Or they could just not make retarded girl boss movies no one asked for
>>217103470Not true ana is sexy. Also both movies feature flamethrowers in the finale.
Its the best action movie of 2025.
>>2171162762025 was a terrible year for film.
>>217113231>Stupid haircut,What haircut? She looked like a shampoo commercial. You idiots dont even watch the movies you whine about.
everything flops now, dead industry
