What is the meaning of this? I didn't understand.
Worth a watch even if I have seen the original?
>>217119162>don't you dare think about turning against your masters, you ungrateful goy>we'll kill you all if we have to
>>217119162Metaphor for jews and resistance to them.>>217119201Yes>>217119283This anon gets it and is gonna make it
>>217119162This >>217119324It's about how the upper classes gaslight the lower classes. The entire premise of the movie is about that concept from various angles.
>>217119201Bugonia has better pacing and is better made on a technical level. Also, I liked Don in Bugonia much more than the girlfriend in STGP. Definitely watch Bugonia if you liked STGP.
Still astounded that Stavros has made it into Hollywood crap.
>>217119201Only contrarians will tell you that you should see the original first or that it's better. This is a case where it needed remaking and was done better.
>>217119162I refuse to see this knowing they wrote a character specifically for the fat unfunny pedo stavros
>>217119162Why did she decide to destroy earth if every single accusation the ‘crazy’ guy made ended up being correct? If it’s just that he knew the truth, that was already resolved with his death. If she was just upset with humans on account of one man figuring out the truth than she is objectively in the wrong >>217119283Basically this is the correct interpretation tbqh I don’t see what the message is otherwise
>>217119758Sane reasoning anon. One tries not to encourage this behavior.
Did you understand the ending? Me not. I will watch 30 min youtube essay now to get the twist. The movie is awesome, but quiet hard to comprehend.
>>217119758>movie made by weird Greek pervazoid>shocked he wrote a role for a weird Greek pervazoidare you really this stupid? do you get shocked when blacks put blacks in black movies or Jews are in Jewish movies
>>217119778She wasn't judging humanity because of one man. She had already made her judgement. They were doing something hopeless.
>>217119707That’s what happens when you sell out, ditch your “problematic” “friends” and start sucking every entertainment biz cock you can
>>217119908Don't forget the tens of thousands invested in a "talent" agency. Grim times.
>>217119778I think her dna was mucked up with the crazy guy when she teleported.
>>217119860just watched im thinking of ending things not too long ago, this guy is an underrated actor
Not sure how the movie is hard to understand. The aliens definitely aren't the "good" guys
>>217119162>conspiracy theorists are all so dumb and evil!>and even if purely by astronomically infinitesimal chance they happen to be right, they surely would find a way to fuck it all up and ruin everything for everyone, because they are dumb and evil>never do your own research, leave it to the Experts and take your booster shotsGo watch the X-Files episode titled Folie A Deux instead of that shit if you want a better take.
What was the point of Stavros being a child molester?
>>217120351That wasn't in the script
>>217119778Because when jews encounter resistance they destroy. See: WWI, WWII, nakba, gaza >>217120038You’re retarded
>>217119707And had that bizarre "oh by the way, sorry I molested you" subplot thrown in there. Like borderline incompetent cop who can't quite perceive how guilty the guy is acting, sure, good wrinkle to throw in there, was him being a child molester just to make the audience feel less bad when he gets his skull caved in?
>>217120230Emma Stone has been cancelled from Hollywood for anti-semitism and the director wore a Palestine flag to the premiere. You are not supposed to side with the alien. Also rewatch the scene with “shibboleth” and look into that words use by jews as way of making a friend enemy distinction.
>>217119908>problematicI've been listening to early cumtowns and they were always uncomfortable with the chud contingency of their listeners and called them fags for being nazis and Stav made millions since he left. There was always a shelf life on cumtown and he was the first one to say "fuck it, throw it in the trash"
>>217120538It’s to show how in a dysfunctional society ruled by people who view you as an animal those that are supposed to protect you don’t. Plus those who get the shitty end of the stick tend to notice what is going on and be handicapped as a result.
>>217120351Same reason they raped the Joker. Demoralize through humiliation.
>>217120608good read
>>217120351Because he wouldn’t have to act
>>217120515Why else would she destroy all of humanity? The crazy guy won in the end. His genes live on in that psycho alien.
>>217119778>Why did she decide to destroy earth if every single accusation the ‘crazy’ guy made ended up being correct?Because it started to affect her personally.
>>217120597A fatter, uglier Dane Cook? Suppose he will still have season 20 of his gets ripped Youtube series to fall back on.
>>217120351To develop the Plemons character in two ways -1. Plemons had to kill the cop, it is a major plot point. But they didn't want you to hate Plemons, he had to be redeemable and likeable. So they made the cop a "bad guy". This way Plemons is still a killer, dangerous, unpredictable, capable of violence, but he's not "evil".2. Plemons is a troubled guy. Him being molested (or whatever) makes his mental issues more understandable - authority figures in his life have betrayed him before, and this contributes to his worldview.
>>217120656Because that’s what jews do when they encounter resistance, or even if they aren’t sure. See: Hannibal Directive, Samson Option, US nuclear war policy before JFK (iirc)
My question is: was she intending to actually take Teddy to the ship and gave up on that when he revealed his bomb?
>>217121260Impossible to know in my opinion. Whether she did or didn't plan to take him to the ship I'm certain she had already made up her mind about destroying humanity.
>>217119201Same movie different humor. Original is wacky, parody of some detective tropes. Remake is more dialogue focused and surprisingly has way less violence and torture scenes. I thought Yorgos would go all out but I guess he's more sexual not violent. Both are solid 3/5 movies, fun but forgettable.
>>217119778Michelle's argument would be that (1) the experiments that would uplift humanity failed and (2) humanity was so bad, that it was corrupting the Andromedins and their efforts to save humanity.The extent that we are supposed to believe this I would say is the core issue with interpreting the movie. I wouldn't be surprised if the screenwriter/director sincerely side with the aliens and think humanity deserves to be destroyed. The thing is that in the same speech where Michelle 'lays it all out' with the history of Andromedins and humanity, we know she lies to Teddy twice. The first lie is that the Emperor is someone other than herself, and the second lie is that she has the scientific evidence to save humanity, which we know that she does not.I think the movie is more interesting if the Andromedins sincerely believe they are saving humanity, but don't realize they are actually causing a lot more harm than good and are what doomed humanity in the first place. Their 'Save Humanity' plan could be read as not unsimilar to our elites running all these 'Save the Earth' plans (think Bill Gates), that really do nothing to alleviate all of our suffering. Yet, they will go to great lengths to perpetuate a system that perpetuates our suffering. Teddy only wanted for humanity what he also wanted for the bees (and what the bees did indeed receive in the end). The bees were able to thrive with the death of humanity and the exodus of the Andromedins. This could quite easily be read as the anti-human assertion of the piece. But this could probably be extended to humanity as well. If the Andromedins were removed in a similar way in which humanity was removed, perhaps we would have thrived with no one dictating terms above us.
>>217121640If we are indeed supposed to interpret that the Andromedins were morally clean in destroying humanity, then it feels wrong, because all the insane actions of Teddy were really brought on by Michelle's cruelty. Yet, we only get a sentence to tell us (not show us) that humanity is what corrupted Michelle in the first place. In the end, it still feels as if the Andromedins were primarily in the wrong because that is what was shown to us. The Andromedins being correct was merely told to us.
>>217121260I think we are supposed to interpret her debating it internally the whole time at the office, and then when he reveals the suicide bomb, is content with blowing him up. Personally, I don't see that as morally condemnable, because honestly, he has every reason to suspect they may kill him once he goes on board.Then again, everything after the explosion scene may just be a hallucination of Michelle's... a dream of a world where the aliens were real.
>>217119162I liked the performance, didn't care to the ending however. It's novel, I enjoyed watching it but nothing about the film stuck with me. Not even the ridiculous ending, it's not anticlimactic, or smart, or profound, it's just there as a gag. Like I said, the performance is entertaining as hell.
>>217121260She was planning on killing. She had a kill switch
>>217121640> I think the movie is more interesting if the Andromedins sincerely believe they are saving humanity, but don't realize they are actually causing a lot more harm than good and are what doomed humanity in the first place. Their 'Save Humanity' plan could be read as not unsimilar to our elites running all these 'Save the Earth' plans (think Bill Gates), that really do nothing to alleviate all of our suffering. Yet, they will go to great lengths to perpetuate a system that perpetuates our suffering.Only works if you ignore the clear subtext that the andromedans are a stand in for jews
>>217123202Is it too hard to believe that may be the truth as it applies to the Jews?
>>217119162It was a PSA from our overlords>We can crush you teenie weenie ants anytime we wish, but rest assured, if that time ever comes we will be sad about it.
>>217123398Considering their holy documents tell them (you) exist solely to serve them, no.
>>217121640They planted the original humans in their image. The original humans didn't remain content being placed below their creators, so aliens punished them harshly.Anything after that, evolution from apes and all that stuff, they didn't really value them much afterward. They were subhumans, barely anything to consider, only to be toyed with. They gave a half-assed attempt to change them to something more of their liking, but it was an obvious failure from the start.Humans ruined the planet, but after they're gone there's a chance something good will rise in their place, like the dinosaurs did back before.
>>217123652>They planted the original humans in their image. The original humans didn't remain content being placed below their creators, so aliens punished them harshly.Yes, I do think the Andromedins being worshipped as Gods before humans rose up against them should be read into.>Humans ruined the planet, but after they're gone there's a chance something good will rise in their place, like the dinosaurs did back before.Moreso humans ruined it when being ruled by Andromedins, but I otherwise agree.
>>217119162This was a pretty damn good movie. It had my attention the whole time which is rare for me these days because most of everything is not worth watching. That said, I find it completely ridiculous that they didn't address the fact that these two guys would obviously concuct some kind of excuse to rape her or molest her or something along those lines but this was a safe-edgy piece of "prestige" schlock made by a studio label so it was to be expected.Jesse Plemons is an excellent performer who I enjoy and keep up with regularly. Emma Stone was her usual annoying self. I'd say it's a solid watch. Worthwhile.
>>217123934Some schizos have higher ideals than raping people.
>>217124032>Some schizosname five
>>217123934They had no desire to rape her. You missed multiple lines of dialogue that referenced chemical castration of some sort. They were both on something that suppressed their libidos. Don and Teddy each mentioned it more than once. There was an entire scene where Teddy explained it then injected Don with it.Keep your phone out of your hands next time you watch a movie.
>>217120538it's because schizo protagonists like plemons normally are molested as kids, aside from the fact his character was right about everything (except the innocent humans he dissected who turned out to not be aliens)
>>217120351Stav wasn't even originally in the movie, he just wandered on set and started talking. Odd how they kept it in.
>>217121640I think it's obvious that Michelle and her races' influence over humanity is a bad thing, given by how she acted as girlboss CEO. She was sociopathically manipulating people into working more hours and plying shallow, insincere ideologies. If she was genuinely wanting a better humanity, she could've easily have been a much more virtuous CEO, but she was a sociopathic one instead
>>217124032>>217124904Idiotic nonsense. Of course, they think anything to do with rape is so heckin' evil and icky and they'd rather have the two men self-castrate themselves. Such typical Hollypedojew shit.Kill yourselves for defending this.
I think the point is that even if youre correct, that doesn't have anything to do with your ability to operate in the world, and you need to know how to operate in the world. Teddy was a serial killer. He biked, in broad daylight, through town covered in blood after killing the cop to go see his mom and then escaped out the window, in broad daylight, like a crazy person. He tagged along with a woman who was missing and believed to be kidnapped, to her job, where there were other people around, looking like a greasy crazy person, with an obvious rifle tucked into his pant leg. He was correct about things, what the spaceship looked like, roughly, that there was a spaceship, that there were aliens, that chemical castration may have indeed helped him in furthering his progress towards achieving his goals, but even with all that he didnt know how to operate in the world, and his goals didnt come to fruition. I think the movie is about failure.
>>217125134Everything Plemons said about pain traps in that scene was correct.
>>217125032What I am saying is that her argument is that it was humanity that turned her into that, and that it wasn't her true self. I agree with you though that we shouldn't believe it.
>>217125134I bet you think about reddit all day
>>217120230He wasn't dumb tho, thats the point. He even knew about the hair as a method of contacting her ship so he shaved it off.
>>217123934they were already on a suicide mission dude, you sound like you're just mad for being called out for missing a part of the film because you were on your phone or whateverit wasn't some quick piece of dialogue eitheryou're just an incel projecting and fantasizing, you know the US military captures and interrogates high value female targets without raping them right?you're just mad your porn brain wasn't reflected in the movie
Millennial character assassination. It works.
>>217125154And further, I think this idea is merged with >>217120608in that those people like Teddy who may be able to see things for how they are, do not have any tools necessary to succeed. It is a tragedy in a sense.
>>217125340All parapolitics is ultimately about failure.
>>217119201No. Original is great, Bugonia is artsy crap that takes away everything of value the original had. No bite, humour or soul.
>>217125691anyone ever tell you you're insufferable
>>217125154>>217125340I like this analysis. I thought it had themes of how those in power can't see things from the point of view of the powerless class, and vice versa. All ties together.
>>217125154I think you are doing a great work at correcting a deep flawed script. Having watched the original this one feels like they went and just played "add this, take that" to the point the final result doesn't make much sense. The original is very weird, it chances the genre and twist the plot four or five times in ways only korean movies can do. Bugonia is too boring and straighfoward, no wonder so many people were surprised by the ending, in the original it was a big twist but at the same time much easier to accept after such a wild ride.
>>217125732No, they say I'm very smart and quite charming. What about you?
>>217125898they say I'M very smart and quite charmingI challenge you to a duel sir
>>217119162That humans are a failed experiment. They made it pretty explicit at the end.
>>217125918Accepted!>*unzips cock
>>217119201Questions inevitably arise when engaging with Bugonia in relation to its source, and with the images through which it articulates its philosophical and political vision. Teddy Gatz’s oscillation between the alt-right, the alt-lite, and Marxist circles is more than a biographical eccentricity; it is the film’s structuring allegory of American political exhaustion. To the extent that he embodies the figure of the conspiratorial citizen--at once radical, paranoid, and atomized--he becomes an emblem of a culture in which ideology no longer binds subjects through conviction but through circulation. His itinerancy through ideological poles appears to diagnose a sociological precarity, a world in which belief itself is subject to market fluctuation. Teddy’s leftist and rightist engagements are treated as equivalent detours in a single itinerary toward madness. The equalization of ideological extremes renders political antagonism as moral pathology, translating the historical contradictions of capital into the psychological dysfunctions of individuals. To read this gesture generously would be to interpret Teddy’s drift as the symptom of a sociological crisis--the radical subject as victim of a media ecosystem that monetizes his despair, redirecting political energies toward conspiratorial delusion. But such generosity falters when one considers the ideological inclinations underwriting the film’s production: Ari Aster’s and Will Tracy’s preference for “left-but-not-too-left” populism and Lanthimos’s own misanthropic detachment together form a closed system of despair. The film’s posture of critique becomes indistinguishable from the cynicism it performs; in attempting to diagnose the American condition, it reproduces its fatalism. In this sense, Bugonia belongs to a broader trend in American prestige cinema that reconstitutes the political through the aesthetic flattening contradiction into mood, and reducing the very possibility of transformation to spectacle.
>>217125949The next question concerns how the film reconfigures the revelation of the Andromedan identity. In Save the Green Planet!, the disclosure that the executive is indeed an alien functions as the apotheosis of delirium. It occurs within a continuum of tonal and generic instability, where the borders between psychological and physical reality have already dissolved. The film’s mania renders its revelation self-justifying: it is precisely because the film has accepted the ludicrous that the ludicrous becomes thinkable. Bugonia, by contrast, enacts the same revelation within a framework of stylistic and ontological stability. Its images maintain hyperreal polish; its tonal equilibrium forecloses rupture. When the Andromedan Empress reveals herself, the event no longer oscillates between fantasy and delusion but appears simply as narrative truth. What is lost, therefore, is the oscillatory movement between objective and subjective registers that defined the original’s psychic intensity. This difference extends to the film’s absent metacinematic play. In Save the Green Planet!, the use of transparently artificial effects--its poor digital renderings, its parodic invocations of 2001: A Space Odyssey--constitutes a reflexive gesture: the film knowingly stages its own artificiality as part of its delirium. Its world collapses the cinematic and the psychic into one; its images exist as both memory and hallucination. By contrast, Bugonia's seamless verisimilitude closes this loop, aspiring for credibility rather than commentary, its diegesis smooth rather than porous. Without the reflexivity and instability of form, the film cannot critique its own premises. It literalizes what was once hallucinatory; it rationalizes the irrational.
>>217125946yo this dudes an alien!
>>217125973If we then consider the ideological core that the remake retains--the notion of the “suicidal gene” as the cause of humanity’s self-destruction--it becomes clear how this formal shift reconfigures meaning. In Save the Green Planet!, the essentialism of the “suicidal gene” remains embedded in irony. It is a ludicrous hypothesis articulated within a delirious film, and thus can be redeemed as the projection of a desperate mind rather than a moral truth. Bugonia, however, treats this idea with disquieting seriousness. The Andromedans’ diagnosis of human nature is presented not as an image informed by the conspiratorial protagonist’s delusion but as metaphysical certainty. The essentialist claim--that war, genocide, and oppression arise from an inherent flaw in the species--thus becomes the film’s philosophical ground. This is where its moral regression lies. By equalizing all violence--colonial, structural, revolutionary--it renders oppression and resistance indistinguishable. In the Andromedans’ verdict, both oppressor and oppressed are subsumed into the same doomed humanity, their differences annulled by the logic of the “suicidal gene.” The film’s ecological apocalypse thus performs a liberal fantasy of equivalence: the violence of the empire and the violence of the colonized become symmetrical expressions of the same human flaw. What might once have been a parable of paranoia now reads as a symptom of depoliticization.
>>217125989The question of why the Andromedans find humanity beyond redemption is, therefore, inseparable from this flattening. The logic is circular: humans destroy because they are human. The political collapses into the biological, and historical causality into myth. The Empress’s remorse, then, appears less as ethical conflict than as aesthetic softening--a sentimental gesture that reintroduces emotion where conviction is absent. Her mourning over the corpses of humanity registers as pity without solidarity, a melancholy for the species she has already annihilated. The endings of the two films crystallize this divergence. Save the Green Planet! concludes with the annihilation of Earth, yet in its final gesture--Byeong-gu’s memories replayed on a television drifting through space--it preserves a trace of the human: memory as the residue of tenderness within madness. In Bugonia, the planet remains intact but emptied of life. Humanity’s extinction is rendered not through destruction but through stillness. The camera glides across lifeless bodies scattered across the world; bees return to flowers. This inversion--an unbroken Earth without human life--constitutes the film’s ultimate displacement. What was once the apocalypse informed by the subjectivity and psychological reality of a single man becomes an objective tableau of extinction, monumental and impersonal. The return to bees and flowers recalls the ancient myth of bugonia, the spontaneous generation of bees from the carcass of a slain animal. The image promises regeneration yet delivers nihilistic consolation. Life endures, but humanity does not; vitality is restored only through human absence. The gesture toward ecological purity thus conceals its despair: a fantasy of renewal predicated on the eradication of the subject.
>>217120230The point was that he was so obsessed with the conspiracy that he didn't stop to think about the consequences of being right. And also, being right about one thing does not mean you're right about every thing. For example, the Andromedans weren't the ones killing the bees.
>>217126031you missed the metaphor about humans being like the bees, and that the andromedans were killing ushumans have had their tribes atomized and demolished and everyone lives increasingly lonely, isolated lives nowwe've had tribal collapse disorder playing out for around 70 years now. Sociopathic CEOs like Michelle are hugely important drivers of this, as capitalism wants you to leave your family to go get a job in the city or study somewhere a 1000 miles awaysoon no one will ever remember anything like an "extended family" actually being a meaningful thing
>>217119162>>217125154I thought about it for a while after seeing the movie and realized the message: You can be perfectly right about a "conspiracy theory" or whatever you want to call it, but you are impotent to really do anything about it and if you try, you will probably make things much much worse (as demonstrated by the ending)
>>217119201Yeah, it was pretty fun even when you know what's happening. The dialogue and performances are really fun.
Anyone have a good screenshot of Emma's feet in this?
>>217126451>alien gets a feet pic request>kills humanity
This is one of the few times where I love an original and a remake near equally. Usually, I am really anti-remake.
Pic related was my favorite scene in the film.
>>217128445as an expert on this scene can you tell us what it meant
>>217120656Why does the Samson option exist? If they can’t rule, no one can.
>>217119201bogonia is much much much better film on all levels.
>>217128455Its showing a person's grief and emotional devastation and withdrawal reading a letter from a pharma company
>>217120538Was he good in the movie, I haven't watched it?
>>217129028yeah he was okay haha
>>217128455meth damon mama high af
>>217125134Huh? That post is just describing the fact that they were chemically castrated to a person who didn't even seem to know that, how is that defending it?
>>217128455His mom was floating in the air because of her medical issue, it's not that deep
>hmm, I wonder how many obsessed anons reference "jew" in this thread>Ctrl + F>9 resultsFuck you guys are annoying.
>>217130612Jew detected
>>217119201Everyone saying Bugonia is better is a shill, and this coming from someone who loves Lanthimos. This is his worst movie by far, and not worth a watch.
>>217124083White ones, brownoid. White knights are everywhere, we don't live in hell. We go out of our way not to, Plemons and his stooge resorted to chemical castration to maintain civility.
>>217121260She was going to send him to the ship but it wouldn’t have mattered since he would have died very shortly after realizing everything really was true
What exactly was the purpose of Stav’s cop character? He implies he molested Teddy, but why? Was the trying to suggest this is how Teddy became the way he is and one of the root causes for his problems, because if so it wasn’t really necessary at that point in the film and didn’t really go anywhere
>>217131048see>>217120846
>>217120038Except he literally wasn't crazy and was totally right about everything
>>217130819It wasn't a particularly amazing film before
The roan song was integral to the film.
>>217130819>Bugonia somehow worse than Poor Things
>>217130819>This is his worst movie by farShit taste
>>217131322They made it pretty clear he was batshit nuts, just right about one thing.
>>217128455I am not really an expert, just an enjoyer. Even so, I am sure you can decode the meaning of the scene on your own. It is kinda on the nose. It doesn't detract from it though at all.
>>217125174>The part of your brain that distracts you, part of your brain that makes you sad, it’s all connected to the biological imperative. These synapses firing off on procreation and seed spread and monogamy, like all these fucking pain traps. (laughing) It’s all… it’s all neurons, dude. You just have to harness them. Once you kill the urges, like I have, you’ll be your own master. No one can fuck with you. You’ll be totally free. Don’t you want to be free?Yes... yes I do!
Were these shots really necessary?
Bugonia is packed with ideas, which makes it difficult to reduce the film to a single theme. Overall the ending, it reads as strongly anti-natalist toward humanity, especially in its ending, which implies that life and perhaps meaning continues just fine without us. Humanity is not positioned as essential or redeemable.The film’s only real source of hope lies in Teddy’s will and his temporary success in bringing down that corporate, alien bitch. For the first time, she experiences genuine consequences for her actions and, crucially, fear. That moment suggests the possibility of accountability, even if it is brief for those who hold power over us. Teddy’s fatal mistake is his decision to treat her differently once he recognizes her as Andromedan royalty. By granting her special status and ceasing the use of the antihistamine cream, he abandons the very restraint that once kept her in check. This shift underscores one of the film’s central critiques power and hierarchy inevitably undermine resistance, even when resistance begins with conviction.
