Whats with prison movies and always making the guards villains? Prisoners are all amoral mongrels who chose to do wrong, the guards if anything have a moral obligation to punish their evil behavior and personalities. Beating or killing them is a net positive to the entire worlds ecosystem.
One wrong doesn't make the other right, you fucking mongrel. Whatever the prisoners did does not entail you should kill or torture them. You reveal yourself as the exact same type of person as they are and deserve their fate.
>>217121061>Some tard who got pissed on today
>>217121061>Whatever the prisoners did does not entail you should kill or torture themLet's agree to disagree
>>217120904Correctional officers are pieces of shit usually. The ones I’ve met it’s like we hired them out of the prison. Covered in tats
>>217120904But Red is a heckin wise blackorino chungurino, who cares that he killed someone, free all prisoners and kill all wh*tes
>>217120904All prison guard are evil according to hollywood, unless its a gulag
>>217120904there was a very famous fake experiment that showed that if you make anyone be a prison guard they automatically become an evil villain. people thought it was real for decades
From what i've heard they're usually one of two categories with the former being more common;1. Regular joes who just needed a job and are generally sound2. Sadistic fucks who take joy in subjugating others
>>217121522>>217120904there have been numerous studies that show people tend to abuse power when given it.you're being shown the abuse blatantly.you're not being shown the acts of kindness, neutrality, etc that also tend to balance out said abuse. however yes, most people tend to abuse power at any degree.humans are not true good, we are morally grey with zig zags of bad and good.
>>217120904"If you want to see the dregs of society, go down to the jail and watch the changing of the guard."-Mark Twain
>>217121582yeah but it you want to read it that way guards are just henchmen trying to make a living or avoid being drafted to the frontlines in a warwhat about rentlords and minimum employers? they hold similar power yet hollywood doesn't make them the villains
>>217120904Abusive guards do exist though. At pretty much every petty level of management and authority you will find cocksucking bitches and petty tyrants it doesnt even have to be guards, it can be rent a cops, dmv workers, and elementary school staff.Anyways you are right they ought to have a movie where the guards are all good>>217121311One of my biggest difference in values with right wing people in general is faggots who are pro-torture. I think the death penalty ought to be the worst form of punishment, and since torture is worse it should never be done. Its morally wrong, it doesn't make victims feel better, it does nothing to heal anything, just makes you more of a monster. It doesnt deter people from comitting crime. Its not even eye for an eye, its retaliate 10x worse, its base instincts. The retaliation doesnt correct the criminal's behavior, you arent punishing them to teach them to behave with plans to let them go. It just makes you no better than savage tribes which we tried to once civilize. Do not degrade your society by returning to blood fueds and barbaric cruel and unusual punishments.
>>217122238>Anyways you are right they ought to have a movie where the guards are all goodGreen mile?
>>217120904Because you're supposed to sympathize with the prisoner because that's the plot, so the guards are always the villains
>>217121320Well yeah, takes a special kind of person to be a corrections officer knowing the prisoners are all murderers who would kill you in an instant to try and escape
Even in Shawshank, most of the guards are at worse indifferent and some were friendly. The one who told Andy that the rockabilly kid passed his GED test didn't have to do that. He did it out of kindness even though Andy was being punished and the warden would have been upset at the guard.
>>217121522That experiment was bullshit. The guy who ran it pressured the guards into doing shit because he wanted to prove his hypothesis regardless of whether or not it was true - many such cases!
>>217120904Mr. Krabs
>>217121320In WW2, the Japanese needed their able bodied men to do the business of actually fighting the war. So who was left with the job of manning the POW camps? The criminals, the idiots, and the insane.
>>217121522>>217122590Sorry I speed read your post.
>>217120904boot licking cock sucker
>>217120904It's still cool how they managed to make Clancy Brown feel scarier and more menacing in these scenes even though Tim Robbins is actually much taller than him
>>217122040but in the case of landlords and business owners you have already done the same thing.YOU personally have chosen these two things and are only showing the bad, because you choose the slumlord and whip driving business owner stereotypes.what about the countless other people who>put all of their money into a house, to rent it out to try and make a better life for themselves at a reasonable rent cost to you>put all of their money into a business and try to become a successful man to get out of poverty at a reasonable degreeHollywood isn't real life, it's movies bro. I expect the super elite to never paint themselves as the masters as bad people.My father tried starting a business and we had reasonable success for 8 years before economic downturn just sort of fizzled the company, I grew up in a trailer and was low income most my life. My father never hurt anyone to any serious degree that has him deserving of being painted as bad.I now own a secondary house after spending my 20s grinding nonstop with seriously hard effort, I rent the house at well under current rent prices and specifically rent to starter families who could use a few hundred dollars extra to start their families.Not all guards or cops are bad.Not everyone who works in hollywood is bad.However MOST people who are given power will abuse it in some form and you need to realize this for your own pattern recognition.
Why do liberals always care primarily about the criminals and their feelings and well-being and never the victim's?
scum from 1979 is a pretty concise breakdown of the problems with “prison,” juxtaposed against the fact it’s juvenile offenders.
>>217120904It's definitely not all of them, but any position where you have, not only social authority, but physical authority over someone is going to attract personality types who want to abuse that authority.
>>217122863Good film
>>217120904That isn't just any "guard", that's The Kurgen... an immortal. This is his life from 1940-57, before The Quickening.
>>217120904No it's accurate. Guards are worse than the inmates but they pretty much have to be to maintain order t. former CO
>>217122862idk m8people treat thievery like it's a lesser crime when breaking into someone's house to me is on the same par with rape and murder>loss of innocence of safety, security (similar to rape)>loss of literal life, time you spent in buying things (similar to murder which takes away life)this doesn't include the multitude of other crimes that go along with theft and it's not just limited to you, but creates almost a memetic energy across your neighborhood and region where everyone shares in your pain from living in a horrible neighborhood.We treat home thieves way too well in USA and we need to be far more stricter and brutal in our punishments of them.
>>217120904Misuse of authority is common in situations like this. Some random college students become diabolical sadists after a few hours, it can happen.
>>217120904Ragebait: successful
>>217120904cause they are
>>217120904Cause Guards are usually picked from the bottom of the barrel. I mean legit they are people whose employment history is wal-mart and fast food or security.They regularly smuggle, or in female guard cases literally fuck prisoners, and or abuse the little pathetic amounts of power they haveThey're all animals.
>>217122979Fresh out of college students love to become probation officers and act like Robocop to people on their case load.It's hilarious.
>>217122979not random college students, it was psychology grads
>>217122979pretty good example, the amount of times a college student has said some retarded bs because they now think they are adults and no one yet has checked them. so the power level keeps going up until critical mass. had a dude call me out on my crap at a similar age to what you're saying. i think it's healthy for men to check men asap in life. gotta get those extremes out of the way early.
>>217122862Because turning prisons into criminal factories just creates more victims.
>>217122863>scum 1979genuine masterpiece
>assrape's you
>>217122863I liked the rape scene
because they’re being accurate. even if you want to go the “oh they’re not all that bad” route, the best a prison guard can be is someone caging another human being.
>>217120904Cuck
>>217123301>"Yous was just young punks. I tries to make yous tough."He did make a great point. They were the two toughest guys in Southie.
>>217120904Im guessing you've never been to jail then . Because they are very evil pepole
>inmate throws cup full of shit and cum and piss that he's been saving for weeks in your face giving you hepatitisHow would respond as a prison guard without seeming mad?
>>217120904I think the kind of guys who who will sign up to be prison guards are usually either the dregs of society or men who have psychological issues and want to impose their will on others that they know can't fight back equally or fairly. It's a position that should really be screened better on a psychological level, but because it's so low paying and they need so many of them, they take anyone with a pulse who can pass a background check and a drug test. Women who sign up to be prison guards just want to fuck amoral psychopathic men. They all suffer from hybristophilia.
>>217120904I know you think you'd be one of hitlers foot soldiers, and would thrive. but that means you're stupid enough that you'd be one of the disposable thugs during a night of long knives.
>>217120904This guy plays a prison guard in "the hurricane" but he's a decent man in that one
he's a prisoner and a rapist in Bad Boys
>>217120904That's the motherfuckin' The Kurgan!
>>217120904You cant out crazy but you can out fox.
>>217122238>it does nothing to heal anythingJoker got raped so hard it cured his craziness
>>217124576By not taking it personally
Problem is guards are always depicted to the extreme, making no discretion between who they target so audiences can sympathize with the prisoners more. Everyone loved Byron Hadley when he crippled a sadistic homosexual rapist for life, then hates him when he kills Tommy. If the guards were shown beating or demoralizing the rapists and murderers more often no one would care.
>>217120904>Prisoners are all amoral mongrels who chose to do wrongdon't pick a movie where the main character is innocent and falsely imprisoned lol.
Think about the kind of person who applies for a job as a prison guard
>>217121061Thats no the point, Prisoners are the worst garbage of society, Rapists, murderers,psychopats and low IQ thieves who , but SOMEHOW are always being portrayed like those lovable misfits who just want to live peacefully but are being done wrong by the evil Guards.Complete fucking modernist Bullshit.
>>217121582What, two studies by drugged out hippies on other drugged out hippies in the 1970s once? Fucking update your references, retard. The People's Almanac is a bit out of date as reference material goes.
>>217124314>the best a prison guard can be is someone caging another human being.Which is literally one of the best things a human can be though, you're shitposting.If you're the victim of a crime or if you are fearful of crime, a prison guard would be among one of the most honorable and respectful jobs you could ever have.Since it is your job to keep criminals in line.Your argument simply has no merit in the real world.
>>217126934Every prisoner is a misunderstood genius. Like all crazy people. What, you aren't educated and follow Foucault like he's the herald of a new age?
>>217126972>if I act retarded people will think i'm retardedokay retard
>>217120904Libtards virtue signal for criminals and project criminality on to everyone else.
>>217127008I fail to see how your flippant dismissal and a meme refutes what I stated.
>>217127139I already said okay retard, you want me to get the retard chair out also and put a sign around your neck?We get it, you're fucking retarded.
>>217126997Michel Foucault raped little boys. He's burning in Hell now, in the communist section.
>>217120904I've been to prison, the guards all act like that except for one nice one. It's canon.
Clancy Brown always plays a villain tho.
>>217120904hey OP, anybody get to you yet? I could be a friend to you
>>217120904if you are nice the probability of getting killed are higher. doesnt mean you should torture/kill. but thats the gist
>>217122968This. I live in Illinois and although we aren’t a “duty to retreat”state, basically affording us a to not have to flee our home before using force likely to result in death. There are places where you are required to flea your own home. However we still have to articulate a threat beyond some stranger breaking into your home at 3am with your wife and children. Just their presence dosent rise to level of use of deadly force. It’s fucking insane.
>>217129258That's the setup for this stupid movie. The guy who plays Augustus in Oz plays a sadistic guard.
>>217120904gnostics brainrot
>>217120904There is a homeless guy near my work and he's all fucked up with diseases and shit, already mostly dead. Turns out he raped his own infant and served 30 years in jail for it.I have no sympathy for them.
>>217129846You responded to the wrong post, right?
>>217130254>all felons are baby rapistsThat’s a pretty reasonable attitude to have considering you can go to prison for just defending yourself if the conditions of the case are right.
>>217130327no, the main character goes to maximum security prison for killing a home invader
rip that FARMER'S HEAD OFF
>>217130354Shit I’m a retard. I got ya.
>>217122590oh so it's more like the "shock this guy" experiment, then (people generally do what they're told)
>>217128411Zim did nothing wrong.
>>217130618From an AMA with one of the guards>I know a little about the Milgram experiment. I think it was different. I think that it was a one time condition reflex. I think that it was knowledge of that experiment that may have been an inspiration for Zimbardo. I think the nature of our encounter, being extended over 6 days, can't really be compared to the Milgram experiment, or any conclusions that were drawn from that. That's in my opinion, of course, I'm not a trained psychologist.https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2y5sbt/iwasa_guard_in_the_1971_stanford_prison/
>>217128411he's literally Satan in Canivale
>>217122799>>put all of their money into a house, to rent it out to try and make a better life for themselves at a reasonable rent cost to youThat doesn't make sense at all. You would have to pay off a house for like 20 years, and you end up with the same amount of rent for renting it out for 20 years. No one can do it except people who exploit the system by getting the houses for cheap and renting them out for too much.
