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what if stranger things took place in new hampshire lol

>>217155496
Holly spin off when?

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>>217155667
A spinoff starring Nancy just got cancelled.

>>217155212
This was such a cop out. You can tell they meant for Vecna to be the big bad but realize nobody liked that so they then awkwardly tried to walk it back hoping to have their cake and eat it, too. It would've made much more sense if the Midn Flayer had just been screwing with Henry since he was a kid, probably because his parents had been involved in one of Brenner's earlier experiments or maybe the Operation Paperclip experiments where they put chemicals like fluoride in the water (people forget but originally the MK Ultra connection was more overt and a big deal.)

>>217155700
Kek the fallout is going to wipe all of their spinoffs off the map except for (maybe) the cartoon, but with how things have been going nowadays they might just scrap that, too. Especially if they only made a teaser and haven't actually started on it yet

They did exactly what the GoT guys did: rushed and phoned in the ending of their big meal ticket because they had dollar signs in their eyes with all the spin offs and new projects they thought they were owed and were a sure thing, then found out tanking your rep and the only thing you had to show you were "good" is a bad idea and makes everything else dry up.

>>217155496
>Retcon the upside down to be a nothing burger
>Kill off the upside down
What the fuck were they thinking? Now they cant make any more spinoffs. And if they do it will be limited to the few years it was there and shoehorned alongside the eleven and co. story.

for me, it's murray's whopping penis

>>217155700
Was there ever any proof there was one? Duffers said their spinoff had nothing to do with Hawkins or the UD. The only other official shit is the 1985 cartoon.

That one inbred looking kid was an aggressive little shit. I hope his parents get drunk and beat him often.

Let's recap all the plot holes this season:
> Mind Flayer coming back
> Five year old Henry tanking a gunshot from a chrome plated .44 Magnum that would make Dirty Henry blush instead of it exploding hiss hand and making him scream and cry in pain
> Holly Wheeler aging four years in 12 months
> Why is the air in the Upside Down and Abyss not toxic anymore when it explicitly caused health problems previously
> Why are they able to just enter the Upside Down willy nilly now when previously any time someone tried to enter they were almost immediately murdered
> How did Dr. Brenner have a detailed notebook about the Upside Down being a wormhole supported by "exotic matter" before the Upside Down even existed (there wouldn't be a copy of it in the Upside Down if it didnt exist at the moment of its creation)
> Robin and Steve taking over the radio station even though the preview DJ's should not only still be around but the military would probably want to control their airwaves since she's just broadcasting top secret info on FM airwaves for miles out
> The Flesh wall that never existed before
> "He peed on it! That means he must know something about it!"
> Why would they have a military base in the Upside Down, an extremely hostile and toxic warzone filled with creatures they have no defense against?
> How did a woman become not only a medical doctor but a five star general with above top secret clearance when she would've had to have begin tbisncareer in the 1920's?
> Why does the Mind Flayer need Henry?
> How did suitcase guy get a rock from the Abyss?
> Why would he think that a five year old boy scout was secretly a secret agent assassin?
> No one thought about what if the radio tower didn't line up with a gate?
> Why did Dustin want him and Steve to use the spears when last time he and Eddie got immediately BTFO because they weren't effective weapons
> Where are the bats? Last time the second they entered the Upside Down they were just swarmed with them
Any others?

>>217155761
This is true but on the off chance they ever get a spin off they'll just pull: "Somehow the Upside Down has returned."

>>217155850
Oh, "Henry's map." How did that even make sense? It was obvious they just wanted to pull a JJ Abrams and rip off the Goonies. He cut a weird little shake into the cover of his telescope: how is that supposed to be a map? It would only work if you already knew to go to the cave in the first place, and at that point what's the point? It would maybe make sense if there was some kind of riddle cypher that lead you there first but why would Henry even need the "map" he obviously knew how to get there.

Also why would he be afraid of going into the cave if he willingly cooperates with the Mind Flayer and kills people all the time? Thst should be one of his happiest memories.

>>217155829
She doesn't look bad in motion

>>217155892
A few more:

1. Why does Vecna need twelve kids? It seems arbitrary and pointless (even according to the Duffer's there's "no reason") so why was it a big deal Holly got away?

2. Why does he need the kids anyway? How does putting his mind powers into them accomplish anything? They actually never specify why Vecna needed those kids specifically. Anons have theorized that they're latent psychic or sensitive but that's never actually stated in the show.

3. Why does Vecna have to do his plan on the anniversary of the day he kidnapped Will? It's like they were going to do some kind of "it's during a total solar eclipse!" plotline but forgot to add that part in, and there were many opportunities: Not only was there a Total Solar Eclipse in 1987 there was also an annual solar eclipse, a Lunar Eclipse that lasted two days, they also discovered a Supernova that year. Imagine if they had made it so that the final battle/collapse of the Upside Down had resulted in Supernova 1987, that would have at least been kind of cool and tied it to a real life event from the year. There were also two meteor showers that year they could've used instead.

There was also a "mass meditation event" called Harmonic Convergence where a bunch of people meditated at the same time. They could've had Vecna exploit that for psychic energy to try to break the veil between worlds and if they wanted to use artistic license have that result in the supernova.

4. Why does Will just "steal Vecna's power" but not have any of his own? They say it's because he "interacted with the hive mind" then left but it still lingers but the whole way that Henry got his powers now is that he was "touched" by the Abyss so shouldn't Will have been turned into another Henry?

Why are you still making generals for this kids show?

Objective ranking of the show:

Season 1 > Season 3 > Season 2 > Season 5 Vol. 1 > Season 4 > Season 5 Vol 2

Season 1 remains the GOAT. It has the most sincerity, sticks to the aesthetic the most faithfully, and the characters have the most depth and actually sound plausible in addition to being the most grounded season and feeling like it actually takes place in a small town in the Midwest and it plays into a lot of tried and true tropes (born hot yesterday love interest, I've got a girl in my room, disheveled sheriff with a dark past, sinister government laboratory, wholesome ragtag kids, etc) A big part of this is probably because they stole most of it from the guy doing the Montauk Project. 9/10

>>217156051
Season 3 despite being hated here is a high point for me: it's a course correction from Season 2's meandering, the aesthetic and costumes are top tier, we actually get the cast mostly together all season and some teenaged hormones as well as Dustin and Steve being at their high point for their dynamic duo, and the mall is honestly a fun setting. We also get more Billy and a really sinister villain that hinted at heights and payoff that sadly never came. Erica and Robin while annoying signs of problems to come were mostly fun additions that could've been forgiven had they been one off one season wonders and future seasons returned to focusing on the main cast. Hopper and Joyce had a fun sidequest even if ultimately the Russian plotline ended up being a misstep and despite Murray being retroactively insufferable due to his Zionist actor it was fun watching he and Alexei become friends this season. Hopper beating up the mayor and being an angey Dad was fun as well. Only downsides are Will's very sidelined with an annoying subplot this season (that really doesn't make sense considering they all join Hellfire next season), Nancy was a bit insufferable this season, the writers began torpedoing her and Jonathan's relationship, there was no reason to send the Byers plus El to California, and Robin unexpectedly being a giant dyke for no reason at all. Also Hopper should've either stayed dead or at the very least they should've let us believe he was between seasons because spoiling that at the end took a lot of wind out of the season's sails. 8/10

>>217156059
Season 2. Where to begin? A weird and out of place beginning segues into a fun arcade scene and a first episode that might update us on all the characters but ultimately feels rather blah. The season had some highlights (introducing Max and Billy, Dart, Dustin and Steve's newfound friendship, Dustin and Nancy's dance, Eleven finding her Mother) but ultimately a lot of the season jaut meanders and the episodes don't really stand up on their own on an episode to episode comparison. There's never a big wow moment for this season outside of the tease of the Mind Flayer at the very end and when it first possesses Will. It did set up a lot of potential that never paid off, and I was sad to see Bob go but other than that there were a lot of problems. The season feels like it's always waiting to start because we're waiting for El to reunite with the cast, We start getting girl boss problems, Will gets sidelined with nothing to do, the Demo dogs feel like a massive downgrade from the Demogorgon who is sorely missed this season, the forced blackening of the new girl, and the Nancy live triangle doesn't make any sense and just wastes screen time that could've better been used on other things, triply so for the obnoxious sister episode. 6/10.

Season 5 Vol 1. While very stupid is at least slightly more entertaining than Season 4. We get a lot of dumb moments but thankfully the plot holes don't really kick in until the next half. Biggest downside is seeing 8 return after they wrote her off in shame in seasons 3 & 4.

>>217156066
Season 4. What even happened. The episodes are too long, Vecna's backstory and retcons are stupid. We don't get enough of the lynchmob subplot and we don't see El integrates into tbe Byers family. Eddie while an alright new character is ultimately needless and wouldve better served as a plot for Will. The plotnisntoo global and takes us completely out of the small town vibe, Jonathan and Will are sidelined all season and once again El is separated from the whole cast for the whole season. Ultimately it's a longer and messier version of Season 2 thankfully without the sister nonsense.

Season 5 Vol 2 just complete garbage.

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i miss him bros. it should have been nancy instead. and jonathon. and lucas. and will.

>>217156051
> 4 that low
>4 even above 3
Delulu

>>217156051
1 > 4 > 2 > 3 > 5

Nell Fisher isn't great. She has that nepo baby face and an extremely limited range because her pampered lifestyle means she's never experienced a strong range of emotions and most likely has a certain demeanor drilled into her from etiquette lessons. This becomes glaring when she's required to emote, be it yelling or trying to be emotional, and even when just delivering lines. She's the same age the kids were in Season 1 but looks like shes prepped for an Instagram photo or TikTok constantly. The other kids this season have no trouble making you believe they're children but she only gets by on her wardrobe & hair/makeup that makes her look more like a model than the 7-10 year old she's supposed to be. I have no doubt she'll be astroturfed for some time as her parents have the connections for auditions and money to pay her way in as producers but I don't see her ever reaching the heights of a truly memorable star. Instead I'm sure she'll flounder around for a year or two appearing in commercials and maybe one or two lighthearted dramas, maybe they'll pull out the famous: "girl has to live with her irresponsible but cool Dad" movie so many other young actresses have passed through or shove her in a Mark Wahlberg comedy. If she's very fortunate she'll land in a blockbuster like MBB did though that's less likely considering she won't quite have the hype behind her that she and Wolfhard did.

In about 3 or 4 years when she's just about or freshly turned 18 she'll do a series of risque photoshoots, and we'll see a couple years of articles with headlines saying "Nell Fisher INSERT ATTENTION GRABBING THING HERE" and perhaps she'll get paired up in a dumb celebrity relationship and either do a sex scene or star in a raunchy comedy, but after that I imagine she'll just float around going to Hollywood parties and spending her trustfund taking random roles here and there to replenish her fun money. I don't imagine we'll ever see a timeless performance from her.

>>217156059
the johnathon-nancy breakup shouldve happened s2

agree with what u said though. s3 is goated

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>>217156176
Have you rewatched them recently? 4 was much higher for me until I sat down and binged the whole show from start to finish over the last few days to go into season five with everything fresh and I found 4 to be a massive letdown and a slog on rewatch. The mystery and COVID boredom were really were the magic was at for that season. It just doesn't hold up anymore and the fact that they spent so much money on it is absurd.

>>217156240
Yes I watched for Season 5. All the seasons are good except for 5 which is just fine.

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Stranger things a show about kids raped into being gay

>>217156230
I agree. She should've ended season 1 with Jonathan, broken up with him by Season 2 (which would've made her dance with Dustin more poignant), and possibly gotten back together with either him or Steve in Season 3 (either works: it would've been fun to see them butting heads as exes and coworkers but it would've also been really nice to just cut Robin out of the story and have Nancy take her place - especially since she would've teamed up with him AND Dustin and they already had their moment in Season 2 plus he was the one that missed when she used to dress up like an elf and play D&D with them. Robin could've been a smaller role that just helped them translate the Russian or Nancy could've reached out to Murray for help with that.)

>>217156240
4 was when the show stopped pretending it could be Spielberg with the kids as old as they are. I think it had a great handle on the characters (besides robin), ratcheted up the stakes and established a good enough big bad. It was the layup that 5 lazily knocked in the hoop.

>>217156309
If it were up to me I'd make the following adjustments to Season 2 overall:
> Scrap the sister stuff entirely
> Move the beginning of episode 2 (Eleven in the Upside Down) to the beginning of episode 1 (replacing the bank heist) and have it end with Eleven being chased by a Demogorgon as she reaches the gate, making it ambiguous if she escaped until the end reveal that she lives with Hopper.
> Have Eleven rejoin the cast earlier.
> Have Mike and Eleven split off from the party to go meet her Mom together
> Scrap the Dig Dug scene and instead have Max stumble across Dustin and Steve and tag along refusing to leave because she's stubborn and begrudgingly accepted because Dustin has a crush on her and Steve's trying to help him out (keeping the love triangle teased between her, Dustin, and Lucas for longer.)
> Have Lucas be the one that accompanies Will to the lab
> Have Will have an out of body experience and trying to communicate with everyone through the lights while he's possessed and possessed Will be staring at him creepily from time to time when he makes progress
> Have possessed Will be more of a menace when other characters aren't looking (like what they retconned he did in flashbacks this season)
> Instead of a pack of Demodogs ambushing the scientists in the tunnel it's the Demogorgon
> Have Dart die trying to save Dustin from the Demogorgon

>>217156262
Alright. I disagree but respect your opinion. There are things I like about it but I think knowing how it worked out I could just see too many problems they made creatively and just couldn't accept it. I think the actors (minus maybe Noah) all did great but the writers needed to tweak things quite a bit. Even just forcing themselves to stick to the standard episode length of 40-50 minutes they could've done an 18-19 episode season with how much runtime they used. I also feel like the episodes are so long with so many plotlines that by the time you get to the end of the episode of you try to think back to what happened this episode or the previous you can't quite remember it clearly. It makes it harder for the episodes to stand out as a solo effort compared to the other seasons where you can say: "this was THAT episode" and they were all a lot more impactful.

If they were going to do a season with double to triple/quadruple length episodes they should've saved it for the last season. I think it could be excised more for the "final adventure" and would've even been more of a justification for the dumb release schedule they did since each drop would've evened out to about a regular season's length and the finale would've been the length of a ragherong movie with the budget to back it as well (2 and a half hours and over a billion dollar single episode budget) then they would've at least been able to justify the busget and possibly make it back.

Just a misfire all around.

>>217156051
1>3>5>4>2 for me

Season 4 would be above 5 if it weren't for the Russian prison escape side plot. I'll take the plot holes of season 5 over that stuff any day.

As for season 2, its just way too slow. I could never make it past episode 3 or 4. I just skipped the rest and watched a summary.

>>217156316
I'll agree that's when the6 dropped the pretense. Before they were pretty vocal about their "Stephen King meets Steven Spielberg" vibe but that was them just dropping both and going for whatever it was they were going for.

I can't help but think how much better each season would be if they had just cranked them out at a yearly pace. Not only because they wouldn't have been as effected by woke writing but also because the kids just veing a certain age would sell things much more.

Like for example in Season Five the kids are supposed to be the age the actors actually were in Season 3. Imagine the scenes with Mike and Nancy in the hospital if it was still little Fin or when Hopper is freaking out about Eleven outting herself in danger. Just from the fact that they'd actually be kids it would sell it to you on an instintual level, but the cast all looks like they're pushing 30 so it doesn't hit the same.

>>217156368
What’s wrong with the prison escape plot and how is it worse than the under the mall russian base plot or fat Hopper yelling at everyone?

>>217156399
My taste gravitates towards what they were trying to do with the first three seasons, but I thought 4 did a good job growing out of it at the right time, and it also felt like a ship righting to me for the most part because S3 is exactly as goofy as ST can get before it breaks.

why did they bring russia into this bros

>>217156085
The only good part of season 4

>>217156461
3 was a fork in the road figuring out what they wanted to do with the rest of the series tonally, it was the most “80s” one. The Rocky IV of Stranger Things.
And in that respect, adding in cold war pulp was a reasonable place to go for that season. Once it was set up, it got paid off the next season.

>>217156401
It was Boring, I just didn't care, and I found the Russian characters to be annoying and generic. Also Brett Gelman.

>>217156368
Quite a good ranking. I almost did the same but some Anons dragged me for trashing on season 2 and after rewatching 4 I realized I did enjoy season 2 more than 4 this time around despite its flaws. I almost put 5 above 4 but the second half was just too bad for me to do so. I really didnt feel right breaking it up like that but it's how I feel. If I had to I'd put 4 above five though overall even though the first half was a bit more enjoyable overall the second half ruins it and season four despite its flaws isn't that bad.

>>217156494
Fair enough, it was a more grounded plotline besides Murray’s Karate stuff. I enjoyed the idea of the gladiator arena, I like prison escape stuff, and it was a return to form for me for Hopper who I thought was unsalvageably flanderized in 3. But I can understand why that escapade feels different from the rest of the show in a negative way for you.

I really think people sleep on 2 it’s so comfy. Outside of the weird detour episode it’s a good time.

>>217155829
S-S-S-S-SMOKING

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>Vecna chose to be evil.

>>217156566
Despite having inner conflict, he prefers power and revenge, yes.

>>217156401
In a vacuum it's a good plot and even entertaining but overall it just messed with the vibe too much. It's supposed to be a show about weird stuff happening in a small town in the Midwest and that weird stuff is supposed to be local legends and rumors turning out to be true. S4 takes you right out of that and makes it quite literally a global adventure, and not the fun around the world in 80 days kind. Some of the cast are in Russia, some are in CA/UT, some in NV, and some are in Hawkins or the Upside Down but even when they're in Hawkins it feels like it takes a back seat to the plot.

I don't really know how to justify the mall because it seems to be a love it or hate it thing so if you don't love it its just not for you. I did love it and it not only felt very 80's but reminded me of my own small town mall and felt very true to life. You could say the Russian thing was too much but I disagree. It would've made sense that it was just the USA government guys making a new base in secret after getting kicked out of the lab (and I'd be fine with that) but I'll say the Russian stuff was very on brand for the 80's (this is when Red Dawn came out and was probably a reference to that) but also the little town that Dick Garmaker is from was said to have a bunch of Russian sleeper cells move there in secret after WW2 and start a local business as a cover story and there's even a detective thriller that takes that concept and turns it into a whole entertaining story so that seems on brand for "small town legend turns out to be true" while also keeping with the 80's vibes. As for Hopper I guess it comes down to personal tastes but I kind of like his overbearing Dad routine, and the fact that he's the voice of reason when the kids are getting a little too whimsical with throwing themselves into action movie scenarios or D&D metaphors. I also found it hilarious watching him seethe during the Neverending Story bit which made that all great set up for that joke.

>>217156579
No he's brainwashed the stone is the cause of it.

>>217156461
They really didn't need to (especially since it amounted to nothing and added in a new plot hole of "what about the Russians who can also enter the Upside Down and make gates to the Abyss?") but I think if it has been a one season a occurrence it would've been fine and you could maybe make the argument they had to be in Hawkins for some reason to do it/the guys who knew how to died in the explosion.

Unfortunately that then leads to the question of why do the Russians at all and not just have it be the Hawkins Lab guys setting up shoo under the mall after they got chased out last season with the pesticide story, and honestly that would've probably been the better route to go overall. It would've kept it tight and also made more sense with where they eventually wenr with it over the next couple of seasons.

The idea if the Russians trying to open a gate to either sick the Upsidd Down on America or travel through thr Upside Down in secret is a decent idea, but not a necessary one and it's also accomplished by just having the Hawkins people wanting to do exactly that themselves.

Also, I just realized another plot hole: >>217155850
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>>217156033
how did they open a gate in Russia in Season 4 and get a Demogorgon of the Upside Down is local and limited to only Hawkins? They shouldn't have been able to access it or there should be a second Upside Down in Russia then.

>>217156600
No because they unbrainwashed him and he said nah I want to be evil in the finale
>>217156549
I agree, but the problem is besides the sister stuff it just doesn't hold up to 1 or 3 on an episode to episode breakdown

>>217156593
I like the mall and the Russia stuff and I was confused how one could enjoy one but not the other (thinking the issue was believability) but your issue is tone/show scope which wasn’t a problem for me but I can see your side of it.

>El is dead. Get over it.

Why would Sadie Sink say such incendiary things?

>>217156727
Too many believers, somebody had to say it.

Episode 9 tomorrow. Trust the plan

>>217156750
ELtriots in control two more weeks

>>217156727
The Duffer's wanted to say it but feared the backlash after their last set of interviews so made her do it because she's a favorite and a girl, and also because having Millie do it might cause people to think she didn't like the show or the Duffer's/might but return for a future installment which would end up hurting one or both of their careers. Sadie can safely be made to say it and everyone will eventually write it off

Plus she's three White nonjew so if people do get mad they would rather it be at her

>>217156800
The Duffers would be absolute hack retards if they confirmed it one way or the other in an interview.

>>217156727
It’s more fitting for the show if she did die a hero instead of living out her life as a fugitive. Mike’s cope is sweet, but her arc was that of the sacrificial hero.

>>217156698
Do you really belive you can unbrainwash someone like Vecna? He touched the Orichalcos Stone
He were instantly corrupted, as long as Mindflayer lives he's under it's influence.
This is exactly a carbon copy mirror of Yu-Gi-Oh Waking the Dragons
>Dartz/Henry finds the Orichalcos Stone gets corrupted by an eldritch god and given insane powers.
>Orichalcos Stone uses the darkness in ones heart like fear, anger to get more powerful
>Eldritch god needs souls in order to manifest
>Only way to defeat the brainwash is to do the classic "friendship is magic bs"
Henry is not evil it is the stone it is manipulating him. The only way for them to unbrainwash Henry is if they knew any happy warm memory or friends.

some small writing change would make the ending good:
make the magic rock some kind of psychic material recovered from a meteorite
make the mindflayer an entity native to humanity's consciousness, formed from negative emotions - traditional voodoo curse shit

then el yeets him into a wormhole to an actual other planet, his rage gives the mindflayer physical form(he's weak so smoke monster), and he makes the plan to keep the wormhole open and crash the other planet into ours via it.
no dimension X faggotry, just el throwing henry to another planet and him hatching a plan to fuck everything up.

then everything lines up:
s1-2 using planet's native ayys to fuck shit up in his hometown
s3 using hometown's natives to give the mindflayer form
s4-5 he's powerful enough now so direct confrontation

and then recontextualize the final battle as him just wanting to make a big scary monster on a dead world but he makes a paper tiger and jobs because he genuinely didn't expect them to use the full potential of the wormhole and invade his planet.
write out doctor kay entirely and make the military in the final season a rouge platoon of black ops guys that want to drink el's blood because they think it'll make them supersoldiers, some apocalypse now type "going native in the upside down" shit.

>>217155850
>Don’t even understand the issue
>It’s a TV show
>It’s a TV show
>Prolonged exposure
>Creatures don’t have a directive, Henry was focusing on stage 2
>Theoretical or was left there by the scientists who worked on it
>Monitored and deemed harmless
>We just didn’t see it
>He’s comfortable enough pulling his cock out next to it, he probably knows more about it then we do
>The military would absolutely have an interest in an alternate dimension if they could occupy it
>Glowniggers don’t have to explain shit
>Powerful vessel with ties to Earth
>Mystery macguffin doesn’t need explaining here
>He’s seen some shit
>They recognized the plan was a long shot but had little time and it was deemed a best bet
>In Eddie’s memory, both comfortable dying if need be
>Not given a directive by Henry
Even if you find these answers unsatisfactory they aren’t plot holes.

>>217156727
Because that "I believe" stuff reminds me way too much of the "I do believe in fairies I d, I do" thing from Peter Pan. There's problems with both theories but her going out a hero feels more satisfying than the alternative retarded girl wandering round as a tramp hiding from the government,

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>>217156997
I think it’s an I do believe in fairies thing by design.

>>217156889
The mindflayer is just a space spider that hates heat and lives on a desert planet. He just wants to be where it’s colder and Henry just happened to link to him :3

i dropped this show midway thru 3. is it worth watching just for the memes and being filled in

>>217157075
4 and 5 are pretty different than 1-3 but yeah I think it’s worth a watch.

>>217157006
>Mike and everyone
I got the impression everyone else had already accepted she dead and was just indulging Mike to stop him jumping in the tub with a toaster in a few years. Hell given he just lore dumped what he presumably thinks is revelatory news at the end of a D&D game not even sure he believes it.

>>217157104
I think they all half believe and half don’t. It’s an unanswered lingering nag of doubt that’s sometimes hopeful and sometimes feels stupid. That’s what they live with.

>>217157031
they wrote it that way because they want to use the magic rocks in whatever prequel series they make. it's almost certainly supposed to be Element 115 that bob lazar talked about and they're gonna make a prequel about roswell and the philly experiments - the play mentions the USS eldridge being sent to dimension x and we see the exotic matter creating similar scenes of people melting into metal.

there was nothing about the 'flayer being a random world-devouring space spider before s5. in s2-3 it was written as a monster native to the UD and if they were going to introduce Henry as a main villain it'd be better writing to have the mindflayer be something of human origin and not fully-formed so they avoid all the power-scaling faggotry.

>>217156223
Forgot to mention I'm trans btw.

>>217157126
Yeah my immediate gut reaction is a 40’s/50’s Roswell/Area 51 send up. Maybe with a group of kids discovering a strange meteorite and they can actually go full King.

>>217157126
If they tie the rock to Atlantis I'm fucking out. But yeah Roswell/Philadelphia experiment sounds like the real plan.

Stopped watching at season 2. Did they explain how stuff like cars etc, in our world, also move in the upside down?

>>217156989
>Don’t even understand the issue
El explicitly stated in The Piggyback "there was no Mind Flayer, it was you along!" which is later confirmed by Will.
>It’s a TV show
>It’s a TV show
If you're not going to care when making it why should anyone care about watching it?
>Prolonged exposure
How prolonged? They used to need gas masks just to enter it
>Creatures don’t have a directive, Henry was focusing on stage 2
Henry doesn't need to control them, that's how Dart was a thing
>Theoretical or was left there by the scientists who worked on it
How could they know about the Upside Down before it existed? That doesn't make any sense.
>Monitored and deemed harmless
What happened to the guys who ran the Hawkins radio show before then? Why was it just abandoned and waiting there? Someone had to build it and buy all those records and equipment
>We just didn’t see it
They climbed up very high and even said "wow what a nice view!" Last season. It's just at the end of town, Hawkins has to be about six miles by six miles and it's thousands of feet tall you should be able to see it literally anywhere in town
>He’s comfortable enough pulling his cock out next to it, he probably knows more about it then we do
That's quite a leap in logic. People piss on electric fences all the time until they learn not to do that
>The military would absolutely have an interest in an alternate dimension if they could occupy it
But it's occupied by Demogorgons and Demodogs and Demobats they have no defense against as we saw when the Demogorgons attacks the "MAC-Z" and annihilated everyone despite them throwing literally everything they had at it
>Glowniggers don’t have to explain shit
Why not just make her a talking Demogorgon then?
>Powerful vessel with ties to Earth
Why would he need that or even I ow he needed that at the time?

>>217156989
>Mystery macguffin doesn’t need explaining here
Yes it does. How could they have possibly gotten it when the entire premise of the show is that El is the one who made first contact?
>He’s seen some shit
There's no possible way he's been in a scenario that would make him truly think that
>They recognized the plan was a long shot but had little time and it was deemed a best bet
Skeptical.
>In Eddie’s memory, both comfortable dying if need be
So they just decided to 100% die because of Dustin's semester long friend rather than possibly sirvive or make any difference in the fight?
>Not given a directive by Henry
Why? Last time they were just posted up at every gate and swarming everything that came through. Honestly they don't even seem to be a part of the hive mind since when one gets hurt it doesn't affect the rest

>>217157006
That's dumb because she's a fleshed out person not a fairy and also a love interest but we don't even have confirmation that her blood can give people powers like Henry's they just think it's a possibility

>>217157226
Post S3 the show seems to have been some other idea the Duffers had but couldn't get made so they just rewrote and retconned Stranger Things to accommodate it.

>>217156223
This smells like pasta but it also nails exactly the feeling I had about her acting that I wasn't able to put into words.

>>217157152
>>217157189
If they had stuck the landing on the ending I'd be in majorly for that but seeing what they did I can't imagine it won't be horrifically terrible. Even if it somehow starts alright it's going to end in a terrible and unsatisfying way that manages to turn the lore up to such a ridiculous degree that even a daytime soap opera would blush
>>217157200
No they did not and in fact they introduced more details that made it make even less sense

>>217157258
I honestly think it was a JJ Abrams situation and they just had an "uncredited intern" that actually had all the talent writing most of it and they finally got sick and just left because they weren't getting any of the money or credit (COVID probably played a big part because it broke the spell of L.A. a bit and they most likely had to move out of the city because they couldn't afford their rent and when they went calling for help they got told: "sucks to suck little buddy." so they just rage quit and left them with them bag.)

It would explain how they completely lost the ability to keep the korr straight, do the aesthetic and vibe, and also couldn't even keep the episodes to the regular run time and formula.

>>217157264
It came straight off the top but I could see it being repurposed into pasta

>>217157285
Good, smoothbrains on this board FOR LITERAL YEARS yapped about "A mistery that will be solved only in the later seasons!!!! MUH you must keep watching to find out!!!!"
Glad I didn't waste my time with this garbage show.

>>217157364
Lol I'm curious I'll have to check the archive for threads after each season dropped and see what Anons were saying back then

>>217157337
Godspeed then, I wish I had your way with words and the ability to verbalize my hunches so clearly.

>>217155691
What actually happened?
They just beat Holly until she agreed to hold hands with Vecna?
How could he do that to her best friend?

>>217157323
I don't buy the intern stuff, I just think the covid spell thing you speak of applies to the Duffers. S3 was the last run before COVID fucked shit up. They didn't get going again until around 2022, which is the same time they cooked up the play and started seriously retconning everything.

As has been said, they never wanted to do every season with the same cast. They wanted an anthology with an overarching story. After S1 hit, Netflix pretty well demanded more of what worked. And it kept going on and on. Postponed by covid, then again by the strikes. What was meant to be over in 2020 is still going in 2025 on top of all the cast problems.

tl;dr, I think after S3 and all the shit, they just said fuck it.

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>>217155496
Finally completed watching EFAP coverage.
Disappointingly, they only cover the 1st episode of season 5 in their 6-hour stream

>>217157152
>>217157189
personally i'd write it so that it is E115 and that there's a fuckton of it on our planet because of crashed UFO's and use that platform to launch an actual anthology series.
>season about kids in nevada getting psyopped into stealing the magic rocks and giving it to the briefcase guy
>season about SMT Nocturne type shit in japan with zaibatsu corpo espionage themes
>season about actual montauk set in the 90s where the demos and hopper and joyce come back
i'd also make a cannibal holocaust inspired in-universe movie directed by johnathan

>>217157226
>Yes it does. How could they have possibly gotten it when the entire premise of the show is that El is the one who made first contact?
because they wrote it that way, probably so they could use the prequel/spinoffs to explain the magic rocks.

>>217157264
>>217157337
>>217157380
Samefag tranny.

>>217157456
Seethe

It might seem like a silly complaint but I'm offended that across five seasons and ten years we didn't get any scenes of Winter in Hawkins. Most likely because the writers are California jews who don't have any experience with small towns in the Midwest (they even filmed in Georgia) but that's a big part of the vibe. Even just little things like Nancy in a poof ball hat and scarf, Joyce scrapping ice off her windshield, the guys all having a big Christmas time scene or Mike and El having a cute moment where they exchange gifts/maybe El levitates some mistletoe above her head and they kiss.

I think they briefly had a throwaway about Christmas at the end of season one but you don't actually see outside just Will talking about how he thinks he's getting an Atari before he goes to throw up in the bathroom.

Any hairy girls in this?

>>217157696
End of S1 is in winter.

Any other contrarian chads feel like 3 was the best season?

>>217157401
Yeah, actually lol they all beat her butt pretty bad
>>217157402
I'm skeptical. There's not a lot of talent in Hollywood at the moment and we already know they stole the show from that guy who made the Montauk short film they had to settle out of court with because it was turning into such a big issue. It would make sense they had other people writing it. I've seen the anthology claim thrown around a lot the last couple of days but that doesn't explain how they were able to do season 2 and 3 so well with such a sharp drop off with 4 and 5. That looks more like someone left and they couldn't replicate what they were doing.

>>217157431
> because they wrote it that way, probably so they could use the prequel/spinoffs to explain the magic rocks.
That's not an answer even if they had a confirmed spin off happening. The fact that the negative reception is probably going to kill that makes it even more egregious. It'll just never be explained until ten or so years from now when they're finally certain they aren't getting anything greenlit then they'll reveal all their "plans" (i.e. things they made up on the spot) to try to generate some buzz to see if that will lead to anything

>>217157712
But do we see the snow? It's just thirty seconds of Will having dinner with his family
>>217157729
Almost the best but I've got to give it to season 1 overall. Season 3 is a close second though and my wife's favorite. Maybe if Erica wasn't black and Robin wasn't gay I'd give it the number one spot though

>>217155691
Why would her crushing on josh hard prove to vecna that they know her so well?

>>217157781
We do when Hop leaves the eggos in the field box.

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>>217157734
>Yeah, actually lol they all beat her butt pretty bad
Best part is that Holly is still friends with them afterward with no hard feeling.
The fact her best friends believe a stranger (Vecna) over her and then proceed to beat her into submission.
Holy shit, I don't know if this is standard female friendship, but I don't know how she can ever trust her bestie after that?

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holy shit redditors are such cucks lol

>>217157841
I guess it's supposed to demonstrate how gullible kids are which is why he chooses them. But yeah, not even 9yos are that dumb.

>>217155700
i like to think the reason they used such a harsh mexico filter is because their regular lights broke on set so they hard to use really warm colored lights when filming the green screen

>>217157729
This is an extremely common opinion.

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>>217157840
I wonder why Americans have shared rooms.
>way more space than their English counterparts
>individualistic culture
I can't quite decide if it's based or cringe that the dorm rooms are shared. Maybe both - shot in the dark and depends entirely if you hit it off with your roomate.

>>217156559
ssssomebody stop meh!

>>217155496
Secret episode shadowdrop anyday now

>>217157903
Its to humilate the one who isnt fucking a new person every week/night

It's gonna be funny as shit when there is a secret bonus episode except it has nothing to do win the original series and is just a pilot for the upcoming prequel.

>>217157903
$$
You can have a single if you pay for it. Hell you can rent a whole house if you want.

>>217155496
LMAO you fuckin losers kept watching this shit? I dropped it after S1

>>217157843
Grim.

>>217157840
>they built a fake dorm inside Mike's psych ward so he could pretend to be in college
Grim

>>217157903
until recently there was pretty high social cohesion on college campuses since you got into schools depending on your social class so you'd be way more likely to find a roommate you actually get along with.

>>217157961
also this, if you're antisocial/just want more space you can just get a single room or rent a nearby apartment - which also up until recently were affordable in college towns

>>217156677
Another plot hole: the kids are supposed to be 15 this season which would make them ninth graders and high school freshman, yet when they jump ahead four years to their graduation Holly and Derek look exactly the same. They should be the same age that the entire cast was last season (14) but actually the age they were in the first season (11 since they're actually supposed to be 7.)

Aging them all up to college and beyond was a little much, they're quite literally 15. That's a lot of wasted potential for if they ever wanted to come back to it. I'm sure its because of how old the cast is but theyre already talking about cartoons they just shot themselves in the foot for exploring their entire high school careers in animated format.

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>when your training takes over

>>217157986
Ah true. Different world back then. A friend of mine did a year in Hong Kong where he had a Japanese roomate and, I shit you not, the Jap was obsessed with seeing my friend's cock because of bwc brainrot I guess. I don't think it was even homosexual, like he was actually curious as if studying a specimen. Trying to ambush my friend when he would emerge from the shower and all to get a look

>>217157843
> It's good and you have to be smart to understanding it even though it's stupid and you have to ignore parts of it for it to be good
It's quite unbelievable real people can act like this but it's true

>>217157989
>12 in Nov. '83
>15 in Nov. '87
Common core strikes again.

>>217157886
You could still fix that with digital

>>217158018
>It's quite unbelievable real people can act like this but it's true
As is often the case, the fan rewrites will be much better and I don't think the le hindsight excuse works so much seeing as how many of these attempts to reframe the season, the third act, etc. are basically people spitballing. Completely off the cuff

>>217155700
>A spinoff starring Nancy just got cancelled.
It was never in the plans, retard. I can't fucking believe you subhumans fell for that shitty image of all those spinoffs. You're all spiritually jeets. FUCK YOU.

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>>217158024
My bad I was thinking of the actors age. Still they should have aged a bit of we're jumping about two to three years into the future

>>217158063
Does anyone even like Nancy? Even with a bunch of trannies and sois, they will like only the idea and message of Nancy as this ebin independent girlboss

>>217155850
>lights don't work in the UD
>Murray finds some way to make them work at Hawkins Lab

>>217158066
Keery has aged fine. Only looks older in the bottom picture because of furrowed brow and facial hair

>>217157219
>They climbed up very high and even said "wow what a nice view!" Last season.
What? When?

>>217158066
There isn't much room to do that. At best they could have made them seniors in S5 instead of juniors, but that wouldn't have really fixed anything as far as appearances go.

>>217158009
japs are actual rapey degenerates, so im not surprised at all.

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>>217157840
>ywn share a dorm room with Mike and get to eat together, sleep together, play together and do all kinds of weird stuff horny 18 year old boys are into
why live

>>217157840
Why do american put these shitty carpets everywhere?

>The Duffer Brothers are now working on the ‘STRANGER THINGS’ spin-off
>• No Hawkins
>• No returning characters
>• Set in a different decade
>• Doesn’t involve the Upside Down
>• Mysterious rock from S5 will play some sort of role
Stranger Things should have been an anthology series they said, it'd have been better they said.

>>217158122
My pal got some revenge I guess because although not necessarily a handsome devil he has blue eyes and is 6'3. Naturally, when he and the Jap explored town the women absolutely fawned over him

>>217157843
What was the problem with the ending? I thought it was sappy but i didnt really mind the 11 mental gymnastics i can understand that if youre going through grief. I muted hopper and joyces conversation because i dont care about them at all and joyces voice is very grating. The older kids conversation on the rooftop all i could think was nancy could get a job at a big paper with no degree

>>217158124
Will for the love of God he's still got your painting up and your drawings. Just give him a few more years and wait for the loneliness to really kick in before you jump his bones

>>217156727
Sadie can't stand Millie, and doesn't have to pretend anymore. The whole cast is going mask off on MBB after the documentary comes out.

>>217158152
Most are fine with the epilogue. The critiques are to the resolution to the series arc, which was total ass.

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>>217157989
>yet when they jump ahead four years to their graduation Holly and Derek look exactly the same
There was one and a half year timeskip you retarded speedwatcher. They're 9-10 at the start of the season and 10-11 after timeskip. Still prepubescents. If they aged them they'd have to look like teenagers, which they are not.

>ConformityGate
I've never seen this level of mental illness before. Granted, I don't follow "ships" and all this shit, but this shit should be studied.

>>217158201
You clearly didn't play Mass Effect 3 at release then

>>217158152
Tons of plotholes and they basically ruined the entire Upside Down.

>>217155705
>Operation Paperclip

That was nazi scientists hopping over to the usa, as the usa inherited the whole nazi imperialist scheme, from adopting geopolitics to hiring former nazi collaborators to run interference and intelligence and sabotage.

I always thought Mathew Modine's character's name, Brenner, vaguely alluded to that without confirming.

>>217157696
>we didn't get any scenes of Winter in Hawkins
Autumn is the patrician season anyway

>>217158222
I probably should have done a rewatch before i watched it. Every flashback to season 1 or 2 i genuinely couldnt believe how young they were. The kid actors did a pretty good job in those seasons

>>217155850
>Holly Wheeler aging four years in 12 months

She is supposed to be 7. She was 3 when the series started.


>Why is the air in the Upside Down and Abyss not toxic anymore when it explicitly caused health problems previously

Everybody has been surviving it since the
pilot


>Why are they able to just enter the Upside Down willy nilly now when previously any time someone tried to enter they were almost immediately murdered

Have you been watching? More gates are able to open since Vecna's plan worked and since Will has been acting as an agent of Vecna.

>>217158139
>carpets
Pretty sure thats plywood flooring it was never meant to be shown on camera

>>217155700
Nancy will return in Resident Evil

>>217158201
this has happened with basically every show that gets big among "fandom" and "shipper" faggots.

also hilarious because the ending is pretty anti-conformity, they ditch the popular kids grad party to go play d&d, will goes looking to get his neghole pozzed in gay bars, mike becomes a nerdy writer, max and the nigger racemix in smalltown 90s america, johnathan writes cannibal holocaust, and robin is a dykey wine-mom.

the only ones with "traditional" endings are nancy and steve.

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>>217158230
Eh, back in the 80s there would have been snow on the ground even in November when it's set.

>>217156051
I have been rewatching seasons 1 and 2 these days. One of the biggest contrasts is how much of them take place during nighttime and how the small town setting works best for it.

>>217158223
Nah if anything Brenner's character is based on Dr. Hal Puthoff considering all the correlating sus stuff he's been working on with the DoD

>>217158256
>She is supposed to be 7.
She's 9 or 10. The specifically say all the taken kids are in that range. They definitely aged her up. They even lampshade it in Ted and Karen's argument.

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We ARE getting a Holly spinoff, right?

>>217158281
3s divisive as a series. But the thing I've never forgiven is it just blows apart the small town feel. Suddenly there's a fully staffed hospital, giant outlet mall, and town paper with 30 misogynists on its team.

>>217158307
That always happens. Truth is most small town shows are only small towns because it's all they can afford. Then they get more money and all of a sudden the small town is a small city.

>>217158201
I still don't k ow what this is about and it's waaay too soon for aby "theories" to emerge, this smells like studio-cooked hype

>>217158300
Why do the other girls look like jews

>>217158290
Hmmm...who is that dude? Even his name is german.

>>217158300
Did you use AI to make her younger?

>>217158307
i don't hate this aspect of it as a boomer who lived through re-development campaigns in smalltown america. they show this through the kids perspective of shit just kinda magically changing and popping up overnight.

i do hate the muh russia subplot, nerfing literally all edgy aspects of billy's characte - he went from kid trying to act tough and edgy because of a strict father to generic tail-chasing fuckboy - i think in s2 he mentioned that all the women in hawkins were cows

>>217158174
Millie does come across as a massive cunt but I have nothing to go on that feeling other than vibe. Is there anything she's specifically done?

>>217158300
Josh is one lucky guy

>>217158392
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_E._Puthoff
>Remote viewer researcher (Stargate program)
>Exotic matter research
https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/FileId/170031/
>Involved deeply in the UFO lore. And inter-dimensional hypothesis
https://thejournalofcosmology.com/Puthoff.pdf
Let's just call him intredasting and sus he's still respected and probably have clearance in DoD

>>217158438
I saw 100 posts on /tv/ saying as much so it must be true.

>>217158438
I don't think she's a cunt. There haven't been any stories that I know of. I do think she's just extremely awkward and annoying to be around.

>>217158438
>Is there anything she's specifically done?
She's just a vapid influencer more than an actor. The Winona Ryder interview basically said that she doesn't give a shit about movies or art or really know much about them.

>>217158578
>autistically gets tricked into eating a guys ass
>he tells everyone
>shes so ashamed she bogs herself

>>217158589
Ashamed? No, no. She botoxed her face to provide a firmer seat and inflated her lips to allow for better ass to mouth seal.

>>217156163
4 has higher highs, but also a lot more filler. The Russian subplot is a slog on rewatches.

>>217158603
Corr

So what was vecna pumping into kids mouths and was it supposed to be some kind of metaphor? Any webm of holly grabbing the tentacle with both hands and pulling it from her lips..?

>>217158657
The black dust stuff they expunged from Will in S2.

>>217158438
Apparently she was a massive cunt on set during the filming of this season, like leaving for days on end, deciding when to wrap a scene, being a diva, treating Sadie like shit, etc

>>217158809
Any actual evidence of this?

>>217158657
he's using them to energize his Supernatural demons. it's like dialysis

>>217158840
millie's cunty face and utter and complete lack of interaction with the rest of the cast is a good indicator to begin with

>>217158723
So all those kids potentially have powers like Will now? Imagine Based Derek with powers

>>217158589
>>autistically gets tricked into eating a guys ass
>>he tells everyone
qrd?

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>>217158840
All of her BTS pics or videos are with Noah Schnapp (same for press, except for like 2 or 3 group interviews where she looks like she'd rather be dead) or the little kids. I don't think I've seen a single pic of her with anybody else from the cast just hanging out

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>>217158840
Take with a grain of salt and all that crap. But it does square with other on set drama leaks like what went down with Harbour who spent most time with her at start of filming. Also the fact she never went to a single cast hangout or birthday party and has only ever been seen hanging out separately from the rest with Noah, and even then he got invited to those things.

>>217158881
They should, yeah. But Will has no powers since the connection to the hivemind is now gone, so I guess the kids won't, either.

>>217158947
>>217158949
So reading into pictures and reddit shit. In other words, nothing.

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>>217155496
Have you heard about the possible new episode? People have theorised that the end of the series was an illusion from Vecna (they have several ""facts"" to prove it)
>Type "Fake ending" in Netflix search bar
>Stranger Things appears

>>217158956
Surely the stuffs still in his blood though? He didn't get put through dialysis and went super saiyan on an army base. You'd think the army would have questions

>Is that a kid admitting he likes taking cock in his mouth and asshole
Wowie Kazowie

Why was season 3 so shit?
What were they thinking with that goofy russian plot?

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>>217158978
I mean believe what you want anon it doesn't change the fact that they took pictures of multiple cast hangouts over the entire year they were filming and she didn't go to a single one with the people she's known since she was literally 11 and is likely never seeing as a group again.

>>217159066
Doesn't mean anything, anon. She's got a husband, a kid, a product line and other shitty projects.

I'm not saying she's nice or got along with the cast. I've just seen this same shit over and over again in fandoms, especially regarding "enemies" of shipper groups.

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>>217156870
Fucking knew I had seen this plot line before. Duffer hacks

>>217158809
Hmm seems my cunt spider sense is always correct. I've had enough horrible exes to know when it's right.

>>217158992
It doesn't have anything to do with is blood. His powers came from somehow being able to being able to tap into the hive when it's close. The kids should have this power as well. With the destruction of the wormhole, there is no longer a conduit or whatever.

Who the fuck knows, though. They just made it up as they went.

>>217159161
>It doesn't have anything to do with his blood. His powers came from somehow being able to tap into the hive when it's close. The kids should have this power as well. With the destruction of the wormhole, there is no longer a conduit or whatever.
>Who the fuck knows, though. They just made it up as they went.
Translated to English. Fucking eyes were wonky from being out in the snow.

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>murray's entire character was introduced to be the schizo conspiracy character as the show was still pretending to be a mystery in season 2
>murray finds proof of government covering up something extraterrestrial and supernatural
>doesnt care, apparently just lets the military go anyways and forgets about it

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>>217158949
>on set drama leaks like what went down with Harbour
Why do people fall for gossip slop? That on set drama with Harbour was proved to be false

>>217159122
Yeah i dunno why /tv/ has such a strong hate boner for millie. Or its probably just 1 or 2 autistic anon parroting the same shit.

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>S1 Henry use democucks to kidnapp will because he needs to build in s2
But why did the democuck kill the chubby girl if henry controlled them?

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>>217156870
Oooof.
They had the perfect out, right there. Joyce remembers, that he was in love with Patty Newby, Will takes his mom into Henry's memories with him, plot tied up. Coulda been all super emotional 'n shit.
Oh no, wait. Joyce and Hopper realize it's Henry off screen, from shit that happened in a play barely anyone saw.
>Does H'wood fuck shit up this bad, so we keep talking about it years later? Or are they just that retarded in the writers room?

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>>217159230
Writers over-explain everything but that one thing that fucks Jane up.
>Seriously, H'wood just needs to hire AO3 fanfic writers from now on or just let AI write their dog water

>>217159283
It's implied it killed a number of people (they mention other disappearances).

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>>217159317
>Oh no, wait. Joyce and Hopper realize it's Henry off screen, from shit that happened in a play barely anyone saw.
Kek. Maybe there is no redeeming him but I don't think he's evil but so enthralled by mf. Kinda like Saren or Dartz. If I don't recall correctly the only way they brought back Dartz were killing black cloud leviathan.

the ending does feel off but im convinced that it's because they omitted and re-wrote a bunch of plot points that got shoved into the stage play and probably the spin-offs.
it's not poopdickgate, just them writing the play and changing certain things in the process.

they were always going to give the main cast a happy ending, and byler faggots were always delusional.

>>217159317
>from shit that happened in a play barely anyone saw.
what's funny is that it could have been the best play in decades but still almost no one will have seen it because they only ran it in New York and London for a few weeks

>>217159035
It was goofy, but I liked it. The mall setting was kino and season 3 was also peak Millie.

>>217159520
>didn’t go to school for 2 years
>show up and say “don’t worry, I was studying at home!”
Yep, they’d definitely let her graduate. Bravo, Duffers.

>>217159878
you know they have remedial classes for people who got sick or are flunkies in america right? they would've just shoved her in remedial classes and been surprised she could keep up with the coursework after being in a coma and let her walk
it's very hard to fail out of highschool in america

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>>217159520
How'd max's schoolbooks end up in henry's memories?

>>217159982
She had access to Henry's high school.

Man that finale really made Mike want to toasterbath something fierce desu senpai. It feels like everyone just said they believed because they didn’t want him to eat it. That ending with the kids would make Gary Gygax happy desu

not a pedo
not into kids
but nell fisher is the most beautiful girl I've ever laid eyes upon
absolute angel
the over the top acting made me cringe a bit though

>>217159667
I think the idea is the Duffers wanted to somehow subvert the idea of him being redeemable, but in doing so it made the story stupid and rendered their whole play where they give him backstory stupid.

If you accept the play, then the idea that Henry really fought the MF but eventually gave up and accepted after coming to learn his parents didn't want him, the deaths of his mom and sister and losing his gf, then I think it works. But they had to go and fuck it up by just making him a lazy loser who was apparently always that way (despite depictions to the contrary).

>>217159520
Isn't this like just a symbolic ceremony? At least here every student gets a diploma, which is just some fake piece of paper, it doesn't mean you actually finished classes, it's just some nice thing for everyone to get a picture, etc. I don't get what the big fucking deal is with Max being there

>>217160386
They didn't have that participation award bullshit in the 80s, anon.

>>217160262
I have not seen the show. But did he really try his best to resist the mf? If so he is not evil.

>>217160523
Meant the play*

>>217160541
>>217160523
Just read the synopsis, but yeah, apparently. That's the conflict for the character and play.

>>217160109
So Max is fully versed in racial science from the 1950s?

>>217155850
The main and biggest one for me that completely contradicts everything previously established was Steve and Dustin fighting and throwing each other into vines without 1. Being grabbed by the vines, or 2. Alerting the hovering
I can forgive a lot but forgetting/contradicting your own lore and world building is major to me.

How is Henry the same age as Joyce and Hopper? Did the Mind Flayer slow his aging or something?

>>217160666
I suppose it goes along with the demos, dogs and bats being all gone.

>>217160678
Is he meant to be the same age or just in school at the same time as them? I was under the impression he was a few grades behind.

They could have easily resolved the military plot by either having them fight off the Demogorgons thus giving them a semblance of redemption and keeping them occupied or by having them chase Eleven when the Upside Down is about to collapse thus killing off most of them again, which would resolve them at least partially.

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>>217160559
Jesus, what a shit show. Why the fuck did the duffertards not have this in the fucking show? Makes Henry seem more human rather than a boy toy for mf. Also why is brenner a scientist going full glowie black op style, kek

>>217159667
How was he in high school in Hawkins if actually Brenner was experimenting on him? Brenner didn't let any of the other kids lead normal lives. Not sure if thats a plot hole or if I just missed something.

>>217160735
Not to mention adding some depth since it seemed not all of them were 100% on board with Kay.

>>217158307
>town paper
This isn't hard to believe. My hometown is smaller than Hawkins and it had the county paper. Local papers had more presence in the 1980s, too. I find if hard to believe the area could support a huge shopping mall, though. I agree on that one.

>>217160758
It was in the show a little bit when we first see young Henry trying to help the traitor guy and getting shot for his troubles. They totally abandoned it later, though.

>>217160722
A few grades isn't 20 years. I can believe Bower is playing a little older and Ryder/Harbour playing a little younger but it's still hard to believe.

>>217160815
Yeah I know but that is not enough. I mean redditors clambering on that Henry is pure chaotic evil hitler. When it's mf doing the job, Henry is just an onahole for it.

>>217155850
Not this season but never explained
>why/how was 8 able to leave the lab

>>217160851
They really don't care about this shit anymore, anon. That's why you have 30yos playing high schoolers in shows like Euphoria and Yellowjackets.

>>217160860
i think it's more that henry was decent at one point and got mega-blackpilled by the mindflayer and started agreeing with it

>>217155700
She's cute and looks good firing a gun. No idea what she's trying to accomplish in this scene though. I dropped the show half way through season two. Why not just run with the others? The bullets seem less effective than a bee's suicide sting against a human. The fuck?

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>>217161042
Yeah exactly just like Dartz. Both black pilled rock eaters and dead set on bringing down an gigantic monster that will consume the earth.

>>217158201
>this shit should be studied
It's happened before so you could do a cross analysis of the fandoms

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sherlock/comments/5orufn/clues_about_a_fourth_hidden_sherlock_episode/

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>>217158947
>>217158947
>I don't think I've seen a single pic of her with anybody else from the cast just hanging out

Bringing back that retarded indian character was such a mistake. They already had a bloated cast, and now you're going to sacrifice a ton of precious screentime for a character no one likes? Who appeared in one episode, the worst of the series? While a lot of good characters are still being sidelined?

>>217158809
>treating Sadie like shit
Good

>>217157696
How the fuck are they going to get all that fake snow for Atlanta where it’s filmed?
You are a dumb ass

>>217155691
Damn, all the girls in class knows Holly is a QoS

>>217161394
Not that anon, but how'd they get waterfalls, deserts and shit? If they can afford to film in iceland, they can get some shots in Canada or wherever.

>>217161330
I feel they literally only brought her back to muddy the ending. Otherwise they could have quite literally just used Will for everything she did. It was even pretty cruel on the actress everyone hates her even more now.

>>217158307
>>217160793
The mall's existence could be reasonably explained as part of the season's plot
>Russians secretly fund construction of the mall with shell companies to build their base
>as such they don't care at all about profit and viability
>early in the season, while at work, Nancy suggests to the journalists they should investigate how many stores in the mall have already closed down

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Should I watch the second half of season 5?

>>217161632
Just fastforward anytime Holly or Steve isn't on screen.

>>217155691
Ted would stamp that bullshit out real quick. No Midwest 80s dad would put up with that shit. I’ll buy Max and Lucas because she’s trailer trash.

>>217161656
It can be headcanoned that Billy's dad threw she and her mom out over it.

>>217160774
I expected them to go a bit more into that dynamic of Kay being an annoying egotist the military dudes are sick of dealing with, but maybe it wasnt important enough.

>>217161163
No she doesn’t. The bitch weighs like 90 lbs, and looks like she would get pinned down by rain.

Everyone on twitter and TikTok thinking Mikes blowing his brains out soon. Kind of managed to hilariously miss the entire point of that acceptance speech from Hopper, the final cope, and him going to college to write about 11 and his friends.

>>217161679
Billy's death probably had more to do with that

Fell asleep thinking about H***y. Woke up in the middle of night from a huge orgasm and jizz all over me.

>>217161656
Ted got bitch slapped by a demogorgon.
He ain’t gonna do shit but complain about it.
Just like when the Byers moved in with them for over a year.

>>217161648
Just like how Eddie and Brenner carried S4, Holly carried S5.

>>217161706
This was my personal Stranger Things experience.

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>>217161720
In addition to carrying S4, Brenner also carried around a huge cock.

>>217161679
You just know there was a draft of the script in S2 at some point where Billy tells Max “I don’t want to see you talking to that nigger again,” but they dialed it back to keep it PG-13. It was definitely discussed at some point.

>>217155850
>why did Vecna wait another 1.5 years before enacting his plan after opening the gates
>why were there no Demogorgons in the other dimension defending the Mind Flayer
>what happened to Derek’s family
>why wasn’t anybody arrested for drugging and kidnapping Derek’s family
>why did the military just let the gang go
>what happened to Dr Kay and her team
>why didn’t Will feel pain when battling the Mind Flayer and Vecna if he’s linked to the hive mind
>why didn’t the damage to the exotic matter when Nancy shot it not suck everything out, what blocked it? Does the flesh wall heal?

>>217158947
I don’t understand why she doesn’t get along with the others but does with Noah. Meanwhile Noah gets along with everyone.

>>217157996
God I can’t wait for her first nude scene

>>217158300
Nell is the new Millie. She’s going to get a shit load of more work now. Make the most of it until she gets bogged when she turns 18

I wish some of the camera work was better during the final battle. They cut away so quickly its hard to appreciate what they're actually doing. An example; mike realising the usefulness of his flare gun would have been a cool moment, but they fly through the scene so fast it just happens with no buildup and they move on immedietly. That kind of thing happens a lot.

>>217161798
Don't think so. She's not a natural whore like Millie.

>>217161804
yeah, the flare gun needed a mib moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ9_zBs3Z-A

>>217158075
I hate Nancy so much, her and Jonathan. It's just baffling they kept them in the show past season 2. I mean, them going to off to college is a whole subplot. My least favorite characters on the show by a wide margin.

>>217161330
I liked how small and cute she was. 5ft adorable

>>217157903
I lived in the dorms my freshman year and my room mate was this little Chinese guy. I ended up fucking him a lot, I think it was pretty gay looking back but he had no hair, and smelled like eggrolls which I enjoyed.

didn't realize how short sarah connor was until this
she's like chest height to everyone else

>>217161716
That was him begrudgingly going with his wife’s desire to help their now-homeless friends in a time of need who wouldn’t even be able to leave Hawkins if they wanted to.

I’m telling you, I grew up in a very Hawkins-esque town in Illinois the 90s (actually not far from where Murray lived), and my dad was basically a more lively Ted Wheeler. Generally easygoing, and preferred not to rock the boat, but he put his foot down hard when it came to his offspring coal burning.

His attitude was basically “I didn’t spend years of my life and a small fortune raising you into a functional human being just to watch you piss it all away running around with a ghetto rat, and if you choose to do so, you no longer exist to me.”

There was a “sundown town” a stone’s throw from my hometown, and another one had a full-blown Klan rally not long before I was born. They didn’t play that shit.

>>217161883
I liked the various sibling sets on the show. Everyone in the Party had a “sibling” in their stories:
Mike/Nancy and later Holly
Will/Jonathan
Lucas/Erica
Dustin/sub Steve
Eleven/Kali
Max/Billy

>>217161883
I scrubbed through that fucking melting room breakup scene. Shit went on forever, and I couldn’t care less whether they get married and stay together for the rest of their lives, or burst into flames right then and there.

>>217161963
Doesn’t matter.
His son’s best friend is already the town MVP winning the basketball championship and a cooler man than his son.
Josh is already coming over with Derek and making out with Holly and her two best friends in the basement.

>>217161784
She's never going nude. Too insecure and also rich as fuck. ST, endorsements and that Bon Jovi money.

>>217161963
How many siblings did you have?

>>217161706
Pretty lewd
tfw I've never had a dream like that

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Its the CGI tear that always moves me

>>217158979
just like when they were sure Sherlock had a secret ep coming. Just accept that is shit and stop falling for mystery box writers that don't care about the show as much as you do.

>>217157903
I lived in the dorms my first two years in college and got pretty lucky. Both times I hit it off immediately with my roommate, each of whom had a lot in common with me but also showed me some new things. The roommate from my second year and I rented an apartment together our last couple years in college and we're still good friends. But I'm old enough to say "It was a different time." This was before every college became a Pajeet/Chang farm. It would suck ass getting some stinky ESL stemcel as your roommate.

>>217162037
She loves showing off being braless and she’s an attention whore. It’ll happen someday. Just hopefully when she’s not 40+ and still chasing that validation like what happens to so many others

>>217158979
Thete is no secret episode. It's delusional Byler theory.

>>217161706
Where are the Holly/Nell posters??

>>217162167
It's nothing new. This is standard shipper bullshit. I remember shippers thought there was a secret Buffy-Angel ending back in 2004.

>>217158979
>assmad hardcore fans make up a delusional theory that the REAL ending is coming
A tale as old as time. I remember watching it unfold in real time after the fallout of Metal Gear Solid V’s story and ending

>>217162050
An older sister and a younger brother. He directed it more at my sister, because I was always kind of on board.

>>217155667
Probably never. This season was alone was a dumpster fire, but I would be shocked if the amount of pedos and creeps posting weird stuff about Holly doesnt scare the poor girl away from acting all together.


Unrelated note, /r/ing more Holly

>>217162203
MGSV, Mass Effect 3’s “Indoctrination Theory”, and rumors of an extended “Nemesis Edition” of the Resident Evil remake that added the shit from the original game that was cut are three that I can think of.

Final Fantasy XV actually kind of did it when they came back in with DLC to fill in some of the gaps, but it was way too little, way too late.

>>217162275
>scare the poor girl away from acting all together.
Bro she’s in pedowood, she’ll get more offers than ever and her parents will see dollar signs. Then at 18 she’ll immediately create an OnlyFans where she dresses in the same outfit/s as Holly or any other famous character she plays between that time and she’ll lean right into it. Screenshot this and set a reminder for 5 years. I am right.

>>217162238
Racist parents

>>217162275
Retards need to knock it off with posting shit on Twitter and using Grok to make lewd pictures and whatnot, they’re just kicking up the silt, and drawing too much negative attention.

It’s like when online retards started going after that girl who played Tony Stark’s daughter in Endgame because they thought she was going to somehow block Riri Williams’ black ass from coming in. She’s like six, leaver her alone you psychos.

>>217162327
Yeah, no shit. I’m saying that was pretty common though, and all this widespread interracial shit is really just a product of the last 15 years or so.

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>Some of you are alright, don't go near Netflix HQ tomorrow...
Maybe people are going a bit too far at this point

>>217162367
>horny pedo pajeets ruin Grok/AI image gens for everyone
Sick of them

>>217162203
>>217162300
what were the mgsv theories?

>>217162324
>Then at 18 she’ll immediately create an OnlyFans
KEK. People are already using AI to do all that shit to her TODAY. and that's the problem more than just creepy old dudes jacking off to her. The whore bubble is popping, and all that's left for them is the gaping hole where their self respect use to be

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>>217158979
Believe

>11 dies
>military just let's everyone go despite them knowing a fuck ton about everything and the military completely fine with killing them before she died.
Did they make them sign an NDA and then let them go on their merry little way?

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Holy shit
https://x.com/chromesofhearts/status/2008271852636897495?s=46&t=Y1UxiDXyE2ySQGrJjm7fKw

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>>217162097
He crk for real

>>217155850
> Five year old Henry tanking a gunshot from a chrome plated .44 Magnum that would make Dirty Henry blush instead of it exploding hiss hand and making him scream and cry in pain

It was a .38 J frame, not a .44. In my experience .38sp fmj really does just punch even holes in shit. It would probably still fuck up his hand though, but you can say that it missed the important parts of his hand and being in shock allowed him to ignore the wound until he got infected with the mind flayer.

>>217162435
It was known at that point that the game was unfinished and that Konami and Kojima had fallen out because he was pissing around too much (I’m convinced he’ll have spent part of the budget on dinner dates with Stefanie Joosten). But the shizos latched on and said that their falling out was all an elaborate ruse and that it would be revealed at The Game Awards that the lost Chapter 3 of MGS V was coming and that Kojima was still with Konami and it was all 4D chess and in line with the classic Kojima stories of disinformation and narrative controlling etc etc. Of course this never turned out to be true and /mgg/ died completely soon after

>>217162423
This. Now I'm afraid of using Grok.

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>>217155691
Here’s an early prototype of the Stranger Things: The Next Generation Holly Action Playset.

>>217162462
THIS changes everything

>>217162447
Yeah but pedo AI gens are illegal and will get people arrested. This is also what will lead to AI crackdown (as well as general nudes being made of legal age women) which will snowball into complete government control of AI which will then lead to AI created videos of attacks used to justify future wars. But I’m getting ahead of myself. Basically, she’ll still become and OF whore. Or at least, very very teasing like Millie is.

>>217161804
>An example; mike realising the usefulness of his flare gun would have been a cool moment, but they fly through the scene so fast it just happens with no buildup and they move on immedietly.
I noticed that and actually liked they did it like this, without shoving it in our faces like "hey did you NOTICE he only got a flare gun earlier, haha jokes on you you didn't realize how SIGNIFICANT is would be to the plot five minutes later, now hear this test audience approved ONE LINER as the character realizes the same" or something. It felt more natural that he just naturally used it. Trust the audience a little more.

>>217162462
Makes more sense than delightful derek being a sperg

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Dereks sister was so obviously jewish is he?

>>217162450
This is obviously not happening but IMAGINE IF IT DID! I think that would be the biggest mindfuck in all of TV history. HOWEVER, S5 writing was still shit way before the finale so it’s not like they could salvage it in any meaningful way. Plus how different could an alternate ending be anyways? It would still end up in a victory for the gang so what else could be different that wasn’t already shown?

>>217161690
I'd like to pin her down and rain all over her if you know what i mean

>>217162621
She’s such a little brat

>>217161690
Nancy was hot in the early seasons but she really looked done in by this one. Sad.

>>217162532
hm oh yeah i saw that unfinished ending with eli and mantis on that island or whatever

>>217162635
Nell isn't a whore like Millie. Stop making up retarded fantasies.

>>217162647
Whoa, that’s a double-entendre or something.

nouveau bread

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>>217159709
It needed a filmed version released about a month before S5.

>>217162450
>SAAR YU MUST BELIV

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Why were there no bats in S5

>>217158979
I'm pretty sure 5-8 are interlaced with camazots from Mike's pov and he's been cursed. I also think Kali is working with Vecna/Mindflayer and she's there to throw up illusions.

>>217158152
It's not just the ending but whole season feeling like some fever dream with vague connection to previous seasons but absolutely everything being so fucking off that it being some illusion created by Vecna is the option that honestly makes the most sense.