When did you realize that the Jackson trilogy was total slop and doesn't hold a candle to Tolkien's work?
>>217164238I realized you're a buzzkill.
I think I only liked the sloppiest one that was the second movie.
>>217164238Immediately because I read the book prior to seeing the movies.
The scene with the water horses and the strong womyn who's the fastest bests in the world (I know she didn't summon the horses but the movie made it look like she did). I hadn't read the books yet but I knew it was slop.
Both are slop
I will simply never forgive Hackson for what he did to Faramir
Right away. I also realized it will be the best adaptation of Tolkiens work ever made
>>217164481Kek you cannot be serious. One of the most important and brilliantly written pieces of fantasy ever writte.
>They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25, and it seems that The Hobbit will be the same kind of film.>Tolkien has become a monster, devoured by his own popularity and absorbed into the absurdity of our time. The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has overwhelmed me. The commercialization has reduced the aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: to turn my head away.
>>217164238somwhere right around here.
>>217164613she still mad at that rizzless incel who tried to creep on her thousands of years ago
>avoid reading the books and watching the films for years, dismissing them as typical nerd shit despite me being a fucking nerd>finally give the books a chance when the LoTR Magic: The Gathering set comes out >blown away by the pacing, Tolkien's masterful prose, and how many fantastic characters and moments are in it >Samwise Gamgee is literally one of my favorite characters in all of fiction now >go ahead and watch the films after >consistently disappointed by constantly Hollywoodification with unnecessary moments of tension that weren't in the books and the equally unnecessary changes to different characters>namely Frodo and downplaying the great deal of mental and physical anguish he endured completing his quest and his consistent bravery in pushing forward Only good thing about the films is the Shire set and the wonderful score.
>>217164238desu even before it came out.
>>217164238why didn't Sauron the so called "necromancer" simply make ghost orcs to easily take over the world?
>>217164238Nope. The movie trilogy DOES hold a candle to Tolkien's work. Yes, it has some changes so that it can be more digestible to the audience, but the essence of Tolkien's work is still there. Also, Tolkien's war description kinda sucks; he is at his best when he writes about lore stuff and nature sceneries. The battle at Mina's Tirith was a bit boring in the books, but it was fun in the movies.
>>217164238I'm about to watch the first movie right now for the first time since childhood and barely remember anything. I have a feeling It's going to be a lot worse than I remember. It's too much of an action movie I think, hope I'm wrong.
>>217164789Because "necromancer" means someone who talks to ghosts ie a spiritualist medium and more generally it was applied to practitioners of evil magic. Tolkien was writing before video games.
@217164822>but the essence of Tolkien's work is still thereNo (You)s for this. Refer to what Christopher said >>217164553
>>217164337Glorfindel was robbed of his one based moment in the books. Dunno why Hollywood at this time was trying to push Liv Tyler, surely there were hotter nepobabies with better acting they could have pushed instead.
>>217164873Fellowship is the best one, pure kino, then they get progressively worse
>>217164238Nah they are great and you all are stupid fucking morons desperate for attention and your overuse of the word slop makes you sound gay and no one will take the word seriously.What happened to your entire generation. You all are fucked in the head trolls. You enjoy people like me just shitting in you and call it rage baiting. Generation Cuckold.
>>217164238>When did you realize that the Jackson trilogy was total slopkevin smith made me feel embarrassed for liking them so I stopped
>>217164238Never mr. Groyper.Now when is agent Fuentes releasing his federal arrest records?
two towers and return of the king honestly were shit. horrible flow compared to fellowship of the ring
The Hobbit is pure fun.
>>217164895so he could talk to ghosts and spirits then? Why didn't he just make them swear an oath to help him take over the world?
I didn't like the movies at first but over time I have accepted them for what they are: fun and incredibly meme-worthy action adventures. In my opinion Akira Kurosawa should've directed a LOTR trilogy.
>>217165120Its because they had to keep cutting between different stories In the books, they are split between the Aragorn and Co stuff then Frodo stuff so it isn't changing back and forth
>>217164238>>217164287>>217164337>>217164481Reminder that the phrase 'slop' is only used by Twitch niggers, because that is the only word that wouldn't get them banned for hecking hate speecherino by their low IQ estrogen oozing e-daddies.
Still not watching DEM RANGZ
>>217165167I think Tolkien was going with the more general definition of "practitioner of evil magic".
>>217164238Basically the second half of Two Towers when Aragorn was "lost" and Faramir dragged Frodo and Sam in chains back to Gondor.>>217164486This, the actor still pulled it together because he's grossly underrated, but that was a shit arc for him.>>217165106Projective avatar posters are subhumans who need to be euthanized on principle. Worst form of posting by far.
>>217165235slop comes from goyslop, we're psyopping the general population you can shut up about it now
>>217164238it don't matter, it's the best adaptation we'll ever get anyway
>>217165317"Slop" is a 600-year-old word you dumbass.https://www.etymonline.com/word/slop
>>217165317Sure thing mr. Twitchnigger, go back to donating to Pokemane so that you can defeat capitalism together.
>>217164238When I saw Two Towers in the theaterFellowship is OK though. Watching the LOTR trilogy is watching the descent of cinema into the CGI slop that we have now
you have to come up with a different word than slop to criticize them. a project involving this level of craftsmanship will never be simply 'slop'.
I enjoy rings of power.
>>217165633No you don't lol.
>>217165235mmmhh acktually a quick search in the archives told me that the use of slop "slop" not in a culinary context on 4chan first appeared in 2010. Twitch launched in 2011.
>>217164238I felt apprehension already after downloading and watching the first teaser trailer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-XoEGlvlp0But the real letdown was with the introduction of Merry and Pippin and everything from there to the end just felt rushed and unengaging. I still haven't watched the second or third movie.
>>217164613No wonder she could kill a frost troll single handedly.
ITT: AH-BLOO-BLOO MUH TOM BOMBADIL MUH ENDLESS TREES
>>217166025>Next Christmas...ahhh if I could go back to 2001, Christmas season with a new LoTR for the next three years, man that was the best time to be a kid in Western history.
Anyone who read the books before the movies aired was kinda shitting on it
>>217165541>descent of cinema into the CGI slopSee>>217165235
>>217166101Yeah, and all their criticisms were just "B-but Glorfindel!!" just like this thread.
>>217164238All film is slop compared to books. It holds your hand and shows you everything instead of forcing you to create the events in your head.But as far as films go, the LotR trilogy is an extremely good adaptation, at least in terms of props and costume design. Scenery is a bit too barren most of the time, and the needless comedic relief moments and certain changes to the story were disappointing, but overall it had more passion and dedication than any film that's been released since then.
>>217166701>All film is slop compared to books.Jurassic Park is a far better movie than book.
>>217165167Oaths have to be acknowledged by the gods. Sauron talking to ghosts wouldn't be on their approved list, which is why the most he could do was get the Witch King to disturb some barrows outside Bree to create the wights, but they were bound to their barrows.
>>217166745Definitely not. The film didn't even include the tally count moment.
>>217166793Definitely yes.
>>217166814... you don't even know the bit I'm talking about, do you?
>>217166826Bruh I read the book 20 years ago at least, remind me.
>>217164238I've never seen it but it looks like capeshit so i'm not going to.
>>217165402you mean emiru. pokermon is mostly irrelevant in the streaming scene nowadays
>>217166971>I can't remember a book I'm certainly not lying about reading, I super promise>but it's definitely worse than the film, though
>>217167206Why would I lie about reading Jurassic Park? It's not fucking Ulysses or Anna Karenina. Which is my point.
>>217167319>make a retarded claim just to be a contrarian>get called out on it>"why would I lie"
>>217166072Nobody mentioned Tom Bombadil in text until your post, and one post with an image of Tom Bombadil didn't even refer to him in their comments. So maybe you're just a projective moron who needs to kill yourself?
>>217164238>>217164553Wrong. It carries the core themes of the work and is as good as a book to film adaptation will ever be.
>>217166745>nice guy friendly grandpa venture capitalist scam artist>pro hunter mistrusting of his quarry gets tricked by basic ass shitJurassic Park is overrated as fuck. The fact it's not a shitshow like most Crichton adaptations.
>>217167351Reading Crichton is not a flex you imbecile. He wrote sci-fi pulp. But with it Spielberg made one of the greatest blockbusters of all time. Not exactly high art either but certainly a better representation of the medium at its heights than the book is. Dumbass.
>>217167417>It carries the core themes of the workNo it fucking doesn't you subliterate moron.
>>217167441>initially claims the film is better than book>now trying to lie and shift the goalposts to say the book isn't better than other irrelevant books>a book he still hasn't even read
>>217164238I was actually a little bit disappointed when the movies came out. Even if >>217166701 nailed it, I was still hoping for something a bit more poetic and subtle, instead of the hollywoodian trilogy we got. But it was expected from a director like Jackson, and it's already a miracle that the LOTR movies didn't end up as shitty as the Hobbit trilogy, so I'm still thankfull for that.I also wanted to post an old gif from the glorious time of the pre-smartphones internet, but my IP range got banned for some reason.
>>217164926moronic takes like this is why it isn't worth discussing criticism of the movies most of the time. I don't think I've ever seen a better justification for book accuracy than what they did in the movies on here. Glorfindel is a totally pointless character even in the books, who does nothing of note whatsoever after a paragraph of text, and you are seriously advocating he should replace a character who is central to the romantic plot of the story.
>>217165237RANGZRANGZRANGZRANGZ
>>217164926Demi Moore should have played Arwen
>Um actually in the book version of the scene nothing cool or dramatic happens
>>217164238The books are a thousand times more comfy.
>>217167417>cuts the part where the mouth of sauron says frodo's dead making his oneliner pointless
>>217167452How so?
>>217164238who here has actually read LOTR? I read some of the Fellowship of the Ring. It one of the dustiest most archaic things I've read. I felt like I was deciphering the dead sea scrolls.
>>217167638They previously talk about marching on Mordor in faith that Frodo and Sam are still alive but yes I agree the Frodo's dead scene is vital for the impact of that line.
>>217167658I read it once a year, along with the Silmarillion. The former feels like a comfy adventure, I love the way he describes entering a new country, or the poetic way he describes battles. The latter is much more like the old northern European myths and feels more epic. But I have heard zoomers find it difficult to read in general.
>>217167658no one ever said linguists are inspirational, but it is really that autistic attention to detail that made the books stand out at all as a sincere and serious attempt to construct a fantastical world, which in fact is often considered science fiction and not fantasy as a result.
>>217167491>now trying to lie and shift the goalposts to say the book isn't better than other irrelevant booksHow is that shifting goalposts? I said it's not a great book to begin with. It follows that other books are better. Anyway it's telling that you can't actually defend the book's quality or form a coherent argument apart from "lol I troll u".
>>217164486Faramir being a Mary Sue who isn't tempted by the ring at all is stupid and completely undermines the whole story. What the movie did was better.
>>217167639ask Christopher, he's the expert >>217164553
>>217167727>"Jurassic Park is a far better movie than book.">"It's not fucking Ulysses or Anna Karenina. Which is my point.">"How is that shifting goalposts?">tries to lie when the post is still there to see
>>217167658It was basically mandatory to read LOTR if you were a computer nerd like me in 2nd grade during the 90's. Dune if you wanted extra nerd points, nad Elric if you were edgy.
>>217167747I don't engage in fallacious appeals to authority (if Christopher can even be called one in good faith; I don't give a damn who his father is).
>>217167743>Mary SueHow? He was never as good as his brother and got his ass kicked so he had to sit on the bench during the story's biggest battle and the climax at the black gates. He just showed the same fortitude against the ring as Aragorn and anyone else in the Fellowship apart from Boronir.
>>217167658i tried to read it once about 10 years ago and stopped somewhere after they got the barrow blades. read it again properly about 3 years ago. once you get to rivendell, you can't put it down. the moria section is the standout for me.
>read the Silmarillion>read about the Valar>the god of chads marries the goddess of tomboysWhat did Tolkien mean by this ?
>>217165361>i-its sudden resurgence has NOTHING to do with e-culture at all!!Cope faggot
>>217167806>(if Christopher can even be called one in good faithHe was a tenured professor at Oxford shit-for-brains. He posthumously edited his father's writings and knew them better than anyone else ever will. The Hobbit was originally a bedtime story HE was told.
@217167775>the movie is better than this book>a lot of other books are better than this book tooThat follows. No more (You)s for you at any rate. You're just deliberately trying to be obnoxious at this point since you're too stupid to reasonably articulate what supposedly makes Jurassic Park a literary landmark.
>>217167638That reminds me of the fact that Aragorn cut the head of the mouth of Sauron for no reason. A future king wouldn't kill a herault, it would be considered highly dishonorable, that's why he didn't do it in the book.
>>217167919he never argued jp was a good book, he said it was better than the movie?
>>217167832He's probably an Aristotle fan.
>>217164238Jackson totally fucked over Aaragorn's character. Turned him into a brainless action sword guy.Deleted or edited every scene that showed him being mythic and kingly.
>>217167919>too much of a coward to properly quote>still doesn't get there's no need to defend the book when he's already admitted he has no clue about it>once again shifting the goalposts from "I think the movie is better than the book (which I've not read)" to "I'm going to pretend you made a claim it's a literary landmark"Are you actually a woman?>>217167961See, this guy gets it.
>>217168034Once you notice how he botched strider all of the other cracks in the Jackson trilogy begin to show.
>>217167855>He was a tenured professorAppeal to authority>He posthumously edited his father's writings blah blah blahThat doesn't mean he understood the themes>my dad was a great artist that means I know his art better than anyone!!!Not how it works. Why don't you argue in your own words instead of lazily posting a quote and refusing to engage meaningfully? You have a slave mentality.
>>217167961The movie's a masterpiece so it would have to be a pretty great book then. It's not.
>>217168158>it's notDidn't you say you don't remember it?
>>217164238it was solid and i'm not a diehard fan of the books so i can forgive some stupidity. i understand making a dry af novel like LotR exciting can be hard.it just doesn't translate to the screen unless you make it an action-adventure.
>>217167973What relationship between Aristotle and tomboys ?
Every book to movie core plot change and why it made sense:>Isildur cutting the ring from Saurons reaching handthe movie clearly had no time to portray a full duel (I know some Gil-Galad footage exists though) with Sauron being battered near death when Isildur takes the ring AND if Sauron looked defeated when he had the ring it diminishes the threat of the ring granting omnipotent power>Gandalf isn't away for 18 yearspretty obvious, even in the books it comes across as extremely incompetent though mosly it is because tracking Gollum took so long (wonder how new movie handles it). >No Tom Bombadileasily worst part of the books, we don't need a hobbit's own adventure and takes away the pacing and present danger of the ringwraiths>Arwen saves Frodogreat a meaningless task to give her that introduces her early into Aragorn's story and a girl elf is 100x better than a girly elf. >Aragorn doesn't get Anduril at Councilnever made any sense that Aragorn would decide to take up the throne of Gondor and then immediately commit to a perilous suicidal venture. Much better that it remains a conflict for him which he is gradually thrust into as events unfold. >Frodo stabbed by a troll and not just an orcok it's pushing feasibility but it is cool and makes mithril look insane.>Sauron is an actual eyewe could have stared at a black tower I guess.
>>217164238>When did you realize that the Jackson trilogy was total kino and Tolkien's work is just pages of fucking dwarf songs?
>>217168158That's not how that works. You could do the biggest shit in your pants of the week so far, it doesn't mean it's better than van Gogh's Starry Night, because the two are not equivalent.
Simon Tolkien thought they were great. It's worth noting that Chrisopher Tolkien was always hostile towards any sort of filmed adaptation of his JRR Tolkien's works and was highly critical of the Jackson films even before they were released for him to see. Honestly he comes off as a typical sperg regarding the work, mainly because it's so personal for him. I think his criticisms are far more emotional than they are logical.
>>217168218Brainlet
>>217168195I can't post because of IP range ban, search on google for a greentext about Platon, Aristotle and Tomboys.
>>217168280>Simon Tolkien thought they were greatSimon Tolkien is probably the biggest traitor going. Even before his dad died, he started making moves to squeeze every last penny out of his grandfather's legacy. He has no love for Middle-earth.
>>217168317Well fuck I could actually post a pic, that's strange.
>>217168105>Appeal to authoritySaying "this person is an authority" isn't an appeal to authority you fucking dumbass. I didn't say Christopher's right because he was a professor. I pointed out that he was tenured at the world's best college on his own merits when you questioned his expertise.>That doesn't mean he understood the themesHe does because he recognizes that Hackson didn't.>Why don't you argue in your own wordsBecause I'll just be arguing the same points. If Christopher's wrong why don't you explain how? What do you even think the themes of the book are you moron? I'll tell you one of them: innocence is a strength, not a weakness because the innocent have less to be tempted by and temptation can't be overcome by will alone. Too bad Hackson's rewrites undo that by putting Elrond in the forge completely free of the ring's influence and having Frodo push Gollum into the lava.There fag. Happy?
The movies are mostly solid, but that army of the dead acting like ants or termites was stupid. A stupid action scene. The book is simple clear, they are so terrifying that Sauron army ran in fear. They didn't need to move a finger.
>>217168354>world's best collegelmfao >Because I'll just be arguing the same pointsWhat points? He didn't level a single coherent criticism of any specifics, he just threw out some vague insults. You have no actual argument.
>>217168280Remember that he got traumatized by the animated adaptation of LOTR, and who knows which unholy projects he had to refuse after that, so his hostile reactions toward movies are not surprising.
The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood of Great Renown in Nottinghamshire by Howard Pyle is a much better mythic tale but you're not ready for that conversation.
>>217168399>The book is simple clearIn the book the ghosts get nowhere near the battlefield, and it's anything but clear. Everything regarding the ghosts happens offscreen and it's a convoluted series of events that we learn later: Aragorn recruits the ghosts, uses the ghosts to steal the pirate ships on the coast, uses the ships to gather the armies of Gondor and finally brings them to the battlefield. In a movie something like this is pointless bloat of events, characters and locations that would kill the pacing and needs to be avoided, cutting the middlemen and bringing the ghosts to the fight directly was the obviously right decision.
I like the movies but my main problems are jacksons attempt to make it a soap opera. IT works for the most part but didnt work in the Hobbit. The other problem I have is that everything revolves around action set pieces which wasnt Tolkiens intent. That makes it an entertaining film as any attempt to adapt Tolkiens work as it is might alienate people. Movies arent the same as books. That being said, I think you could make something thats a little more languid and allows you to live in the world it creates without the movies trying to outpace you. i dont think Kubrick would have been a good fit as a director but someone with that attention to detail might do something deeper that Jacksons adaption. Its a miracle that the films came together as they did given the production history and stupid choices they were making. thats why i like the theatrical cuts better since stuff like the skull avalanche is more in tone with what Jackson would do with The Hobbit (as well as the luckily avoided scene of Aragorn fighting Sauron).
>>217168199next book:>Eomer is banished and not at Edorasgives Eomer a more compelling role and isolates Theoden which makes his self doubt and decision to go to Helm's Deep directly make more sense while also showing just how Grima has disrupted Rohan>Theoden decides to go to Helm's Deep and not just assault Isengard brilliant characterisation of an old man unsure of himself after a long lethargy who is unlikely to commit more lives to a reckless attack at least initially. >Lothlorien elves show up to Helm's Deep makes it seem more reasonable that they could resist ten thousand for any amount of time if they have immortal elf warriors on side, gives an introduced faction more of a role also.>treebeard and ents have to be tricked into attacking Isengard and don't just decide to do itgood characterisation which is hard to portray otherwise, the trees getting mad makes more sense when the evidence is in front of them. >Aragorn takes a little tumbleall cinematic heroics but does fill in for the remnants of erkenbrands army who inform them the fords of isen were crossed. >Faramir plotlinegood characterisation and fits in with Boromir's story well which adds some depth to both characters and Denethor also, while at the same time the seductive power of the ring is displayed but overcome as part of Faramir's arc.
>>217168450Except The Hobbit cartoon is absolutely incredible and captures the spirit of its book unlike any work since. If he didn't like that then he's truly shit.
>>217168199>with Sauron being battered near death Wrong, he was already dead when the ring was taken from him. Read the Silmarillion.>even in the books it comes across as extremely incompetent thoughIncompetence? He was searching an entire continent for one stealthy little creep who ONLY travels by night when the moon isn't out and prefers to stay underground whenever possible.>easily worst part of the books, we don't need a hobbit's own adventureThe entire story is the Hobbit's adventure. It's taken from a limited 3rd person perspective focused on the four of them.>and takes away the pacing and present danger of the ringwraithsDo you have the same problems with Rivendell and Lothlorien or are you just being disingenuous?>that introduces her early into Aragorn's storyShe was introduced immediately after in Rivendell you moron. And making her the badass warrior princess fucked Eowyn, ruining her.>never made any sense that Aragorn would decide to take up the throne of Gondor and then immediately commit to a perilous suicidal ventureBecause there wouldn't be a throne anymore if the venture failed? Moron.>but it is coolYou must LOVE Marvel movies.>we could have stared at a black tower I guessThe eye's fine, Sauron being an evil lighthouse isn't.
>>217168421>You have no actual argument.Subliterate toad, let me repost my argument for you.>What do you even think the themes of the book are you moron? I'll tell you one of them: innocence is a strength, not a weakness because the innocent have less to be tempted by and temptation can't be overcome by will alone. Too bad Hackson's rewrites undo that by putting Elrond in the forge completely free of the ring's influence and having Frodo push Gollum into the lava.
>>217168519I'm not even going to engage anymore with someone who argues that Elves at Helm's Deep is an improvement. Just prattle on I guess.
>>217168576THAT'S your argument? lelElrond wasn't in direct contact with the ring for any real time, no different from Aragorn or any member of the fellowship save Boromir both in the books and the movies. Doesn't stain the narrative.Frodo didn't push Gollum into the lava. You can't even faithfully recall the climx of the trilogy and yet you want others to pretend like you have an actual legitimate criticism of it? Fuck off retard. You're trash.
Who the fuck reads LotR and then thinks to himself "yeah that talking tree is my favorite character"
>>217164238Tolkien's work reads like it was meant to be a musical. Are you a fan of musicals, anon?
>>217168519final book:>Sam is abandoned by a suspicious Frodo and doesn't just get lost in the cavemakes him seem like less of a retard, shows how Gollum is now malicious once more and that the Ring has a strong hold over Frodo which of course Gollum understands better than Sam and could use to his benefit. >no Grey Companykind of sad but it's not as though Tolkien gives it any thought either, hell Aragorn's bestie Halbarad dies at Pelennor with two lines of dialogue about the Shire at best. >Ghosts deus extrying to depict 'fear' as being capable of routing a whole army of monsters is impossible and dumb, Aragorn bringing the forces of southern Gondor would introduce more characters, brings up to many questions about why Minas Tirith is in such dire straights when most of Gondor still has armies and still doesn't explain how in such short time all the corsairs could be killed and southern Gondor liberated and brought to Pelennor. Tolkien never explained this either. >Frodo wrestles Gollum into the cavernI shouldn't have to explain why this works SO much better than Gollum WALKING BACKWARDS into a FIERY CHASM, fucking Tolkien and his 'eucatastrophe' bullshit, get outwritten lmao. >no scouringpointless scene of misery that is an awful thing to end on with no time in a movie to show how the place managed to heal.
>>217168661That's one example of a theme Hackson ruined. You asked for it and I delivered.>Elrond wasn't in direct contact with the ring for any real timeIrrelevant. In the forge the ring's influence is absolute. If you'd read the book you might remember it saying that when Sam tried to use Galadriel's phial to no avail. Even the light of the Valar couldn't reach there.>Frodo didn't push Gollum into the lava.Characterize it however you want but Frodo tackles Gollum and he falls.
>>217168538Sauron was obviously not dead you retard, I'm not going to read the rest.
>>217168715people who like trees i assume
>>217164287Return of the King was the "sloppiest" one. You're right though that the second one is the only really great movie of the bunch. Fellowship was pretty good but not amazing.
>>217168795Jackson likes trees then
>>217168833trees are majestic, i don't blame him.
>>217168745I said I'd ignore you now but this point in particular is so egregious I just can't. You haven't even read LotR and it shows.>trying to depict 'fear' as being capable of routing a whole army of monsters is impossible and dumbRead the book. The ghosts spooked some superstitious pirates by galloping over the water onto their boats at night, allowing Aragorn's reinforcements to easily slaughter them. The ghosts were never at the battle of pelennor fields. The wiki articles you're skimming must not have been clear on that.>brings up to many questions about why Minas Tirith is in such dire straights when most of Gondor still has armiesBecause they were stationed along the coasts and were too far from the capital to defend it.>Tolkien never explained this either.Yeah try reading the book, Aragorn describes how he accomplished this.
>>217168751>Irrelevant. In the forge the ring's influence is absolute.Apparently not. Sam didn't try to take the ring. >Characterize it however you want but Frodo tackles Gollum and he falls.No, he doesn't. Watch the scene. It's readily available on youtube. Again, you can't even recall basic details from the climax of the film. You have zero credibility. >That's one example of a theme Hackson ruined. You asked for it and I delivered.Except your claim was complete bunk, so no. You only delivered your own defeat. Which is very Tolkienesque. Rest in piss.
>>217168773Yes, he was. Isildur took the ring as a weregild from his corpse, he did not kill Sauron. Did your wiki article say differently? Try reading the actual material.>I'm not going to read the rest.Because you can't defend your insipid points.
>>217168751Not him, but if you mean this part:"At first he could see nothing. In his great need he drew outonce more the phial of Galadriel, but it was pale and cold inhis trembling hand and threw no light into that stifling dark.He was come to the heart of the realm of Sauron and theforges of his ancient might, greatest in Middle-earth; all otherpowers were here subdued."I see no mention of the Ring getting more powerful in Mount Doom.And for the Frodo pushing Gollum part, in the film they wrestle for the Ring and both slip off the edge in the scuffle.
>>217168950>I see no mention of the Ring getting more powerful in Mount DoomYou literally just posted>all other powers were here subdued
>>217164238>When did you realize that the Jackson trilogy was total slop and doesn't hold a candle to Tolkien's work?No one loves you, never have, never will and anyone who says they do has been lying to you!!!FACT!!!
>>217168283What were your top ten favourite dwarf songs?
>>217168897the point is that once they decided the ghosts should get to Pelennor there was no choice but to depict them killing the orcs. The book plot I take issue with on the grounds that it is unfeasible in the time limit, there's no way to really depict it anyway (and Tolkien doesn't either) and other reasons like the inconsistency with a failing Minas Tirith etc. From what I remember all Aragorn really says is that a shadow followed him behind, he had to marshal the Gondorians and launch a counter attack which succeeded and they were able to get to Pelennor barely in time. It clearly wasn't conducive to film.
>>217168933>Sam didn't try to take the ring.Didn't get the chance. If you ever read the book you'll see how brief the encounter was. He couldn't even see what was happening.>Watch the scene. Okay, I just did. He tackles Gollum.>Except your claim was complete bunkYou haven't even told me how. You haven't said which themes Jackson supposedly captured so well either. Your entire argument has been "no u" because you're a simpleton who can't articulate his points.
>>217169000... which does not mean the Ring is enhanced.
>>217165105I miss 00s pre recession theaters. Kino movies, no smartphone zombies, brighter sun.
>>217168715Me
>>217169076>Okay, I just did. He tackles Gollum.kek desperate liarI accept your concession.
>>217169179Watch the scene.
>>217164238When Sauron is shown as a literal floating eye on fire
>>217169205Again, not him, but this scene?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c24-0AmwyikWhere he slowly stumbles over to Gollum and they scramble for the Ring before both slipping off sideways? Literally no tackle there.
>>217169246this is something that is both cool but stupid. Its iconic in its own way but its also part of the dumbing down of the whole work.
>>217169301Go to the four minute mark. But if you're really set on being pedantic we can call that a "shove" not a "tackle".
>>217169375It's not being pedantic, though. It's literally not a tackle, and the shove doesn't result in the fall. So the claim of "Frodo tackles Gollum and he falls" is incorrect by all measures.
>>217164873Ok I just finished it and it honestly feels like the movie moves too fast, which is weird because It's over two 3 hours. I hated all the 'exposition dump' moments where there just quickly listing off names and places I have never heard before. Most of the actions scenes are quite terrible because they make the orcs/goblins look like total jobbers. Especially the last one in which Boromir dies, Legolas is like no sweat killing 20 orcs at a time and they're clearly shown to be in overwhelming number yet barely win over, same thing with the dark riders, really 9 of these wraith beings lose to one guy with a fucking torch?? It's just so dumb. The wizard fight was also dumb, I doubt that's how it happens in the books at all!! Galadriel scene is simply horrid. It has a comfy start but every after it feels like It's being rushed and not given enough time.Doubt I will be watching the rest of them but might try out the books.
>>217164238It doesn't hold a candle but its still better than 94% of media
>>217169425>It's literally not a tackle, and the shove doesn't result in the fallIt is and it does though. Like they flail their arms a bit first after Gollum is shoved, then they fall. Bottom line is Frodo pushed him in.
>>217164238When they ruined Faramirs character. He's one of the best book characters
>>217164238At the start when sauron literally gets the ring cut off his hand
>>217169494No, sorry, you're actually being dishonest now. 4:16, they're clearly both grabbing for the Ring, and if anything Gollum pulls them both backwards and they fall side by side off the edge. You can even slow down the playback and see it clear as day, Frodo does not push him in.
>>217169561I mean he's just been trolling this entire time. Why are you surprised?
>>217169573Are you >>217168933?
What would Tolkien think about the fact Gandalf was played by a homo?
>>217169906His friend WH Auden was clearly gay. He did marry women but only to get them out of nazi germany.
>>217164238Indeed. Same thing with the Star Wars prequels.Thinking about how bad they were made me give Rings of Power and the Sequel Trilogy another chance, and they aren't nearly as bad as I originally thought.People give Amazon and Disney a lot of shit, but honestly we could have it so much worse.
>>217169573>>217169608I'll take that as a no, which means you're >>217169494 and you're trying to paint yourself as a mere troll, rather than someone who believed he was right, was sadly mistaken, and now is having a bit of an issue due to a fragile ego, so now you'd rather have people think "hurr durr I was only playing retarded" than the truth of "fuck, I messed up but I can't admit it without my psyche crashing"... on an anonymous website, of all things.
>>217164486>Faramir beats the shit out of Gollum for no reason, not in the books>Sam beats the shit out of Gollum for no reason, not in the booksWhy does Jackson hate Gollum so much?
>ah-bloo-bloo the ghosts were at Pelennor instead of an extended subplot about Aragorn scouring these other lands we haven't seen onscreen>ah-bloo-bloo muh GlorfindelThat one sperg crying "Hackson" needs to kill himself immediately. This is all trivial bullshit. I'd love to show you the Dracula adaptations and how widely they vary; your head would probably explode.
>>217170180Dude what are you talking about that fag isn't me. Frodo shoved Gollum.
>>217164238It's not slop, a lot of work and love went into LOTR. But it never attempts to directly translate or "fix" the original works, it goes out of its way to be its own thing so that there are still valid reasons to read the books. I do admire that greatly.
>>217170314>Dude what are you talking about that fag isn't me>Frodo shoved GollumI pity you.
>>217165235Pretty sure it came from /ck/Like most things we are up stream and it came back to us
>>217164238Nothing you post can tear down the original trilogy, you fucking jeet. No one will flop of gollum or rope
>>217164238from the first 10 minutes of the first watch.nothing more dumb than the first 10 minute of Jackson LotR."kill him"(Orson Welles, about Jackson)
Lord of the Rings had zero cultural impact.
Post Shelob
>>217164238AI version that follows the book exactly will fix it.
>>217164553>“Peter was always a geek in terms of technology but, once he had the means to do it, and the evolution of the technology really took off, he never looked back. In the first movie, yes, there’s Rivendell, and Mordor, but there’s sort of an organic quality to it, actors acting with each other, and real landscapes; it’s grittier. The second movie already started ballooning, for my taste, and then by the third one, there were a lot of special effects. It was grandiose, and all that, but whatever was subtle, in the first movie, gradually got lost in the second and third. Now with The Hobbit, one and two, it’s like that to the power of 10.>“I guess Peter became like Ridley Scott – this one-man industry now, with all these people depending on him,” Mortensen adds. “But you can make a choice, I think. I asked Ridley when I worked with him (on 1997’s GI Jane), 'Why don’t you do another film like The Duellists [Scott’s 1977 debut, from a Joseph Conrad short story]?’ And Peter, I was sure he would do another intimately scaled film like Heavenly Creatures, maybe with this project about New Zealanders in the First World War he wanted to make. But then he did King Kong. And then he did The Lovely Bones – and I thought that would be his smaller movie. But the problem is, he did it on a $90million budget. That should have been a $15million movie. The special effects thing, the genie, was out of the bottle, and it has him. And he’s happy, I think…”
>>217164238The ghost army and THAT fucking Wilhelm scream with the guy falling off the oliphant are what kill the final part of the Pelennor fields battle for me
>>217173668>The ghost armyAbsolute ass pull. All they do in the book is scare off the enemy from their ships so Aaragorn can take them.In the movie they win the entire battle, completely undermining Aaragorn's heroic appearance in the battle
>>217169432You didn't even get to Gollum yet. Completely unwatchable.
>>217170314>>217170398That's because the scene was based on this passage where Eru Iluvatar pushes Gollum into the lava but they have Frodo do it instead to minimize the number of new characters that would just come off like some hokey deus ex machina asspull
>>217170170I too, prefer memberberries over original concepts.
>>217172516>5 hours of the hobbits and strider walking around beautiful areas saying nothing>another 5 hours of the fellowship walking around beautiful areas saying nothingI'm good.
>>217164238this scene you posted woke me up a bit, from 1999 to 2003 I was the biggest defender until I saw this in the movies and thought it didn't make any fucking sense then my friend who had read the books said "yeah that wasn't in the books either there were some ghosts that spooked some orcs but the army aragorn brought was reserves and conscripts he had managed to gather on his way there"
Aragorn speedrunning raising an army of thousands fucking sucks. Him fulfilling his oath to an undead army to claim his throne is much better.
>>217164822That battle is a fucking embarrassment for human side. Everyone, and i mean EVERYONE, acts like a retard in it.
>>217166793The final battle with the raptors was retarded as fuck in the book. Dumbest shit I ever read
>>217164289>>217170783Don't act like you didn't splooge into your panties witht the rest of the nerds in the audience.
>>217164822I used to think this...until I reread the books then rewatched the movie.I don't think that Jackson really understands Tolkien
>>217164238In 2003
>>217176429>In rode the Lord of the Nazgul. A great black shape against the fires beyond he loomed up, grown to a vast menace of despair. In rode the Lord of the Nazgul, under the archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face.>All save one. There waiting, silent and still in the space before the Gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax: Shadowfax who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dinen.>"You cannot enter here," said Gandalf, and the huge shadow halted. "Go back to the abyss prepared for you! Go Back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your Master. Go!">The Black Rider flung back his hood, and behold! he had a kingly crown; and yet upon no head visible was it set. The red fires shone between it and the mantled shoulders vast and dark from a mouth unseen there came a deadly laughter.>"Old fool!" he said. "Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!" And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade.>Gandalf did not move. And in that very moment, away behind in some courtyard of the City, a cock crowed. Shrill and clear he crowed, recking nothing of wizardry or war, welcoming only the morning that in the sky far above the shadows of death was coming with the dawn.>And as if in answer there came from far away another note. Horns, horns, horns. In dark Mindolluin's sides they dimly echoed. Great horns of the North wildly blowing. Rohan had come at last.Hackson could fucking never.
>>217176429I watch the trilogy every year around Christmas with my brothers, then read the books around this time of year. I've done this every year for around 10 years now. Jackson absolutely understood Tolkien and concessions had to be made to fit the entire story into 3 movies. Even the ~12 hour extended editions aren't really enough, but it's as good an adaptation as there ever will be and quite possibly the last true epic of cinema you will ever see.
>>217176498I'm sure turning Denethor into a sloppy fuck was a necessary concession.
>>217164238Only the first one was good.
>>217176575Yet another character Hackson absolutely butchered
>>217176474The rooster part is kind of lame
>>217164613>>217176575PJ for some reason liked undermining the characters with cringe undignified shit like this. See also: Aragorn kissing a horse in TTT.
>>217176814Rooster crowing symbolizes sunrise. It wasn't in the movies, but in the books Sauron covered the world in darkness by veiling the sun with fumes from Mordor. It lasted for like a week, so the sun finally appearing behind the Rohirrim was a huge deal.
>>217176971Yeah but the rooster part is kind of lame
>>217176814>>217176999It's hopeful.
>>217164238Jackson's work will always be superior to the pure faggotry Amazon is trying to puke up
>>217177013You could cut out the rooster entirely and it would be better.
>>217177039No, like I said, it symbolizes sunrise and hope. There was no visible sun for the last few days, so when the rooster crowed it meant that a true dawn finally came.
>>217176971That actually is somewhat depicted in the movie. When Gandalf rides out to save Faramir's company from the Nazgul attack. You see him push the clouds away.
>>217164238It was as good as hollywood could do. They wouldnt be able to make a movie as good today.
>>217176971The rooster might also be a slight allusion to the roosters crowing at the start of Ragnarök, where one of the roosters wakes Odin's warriors for the final battle.
>>217176474>>a cock crowedI always thought this was talking about a rooster until I read the appendix and learned about Middle Earth containing roaming penises that can make crowing noises.
>>217164238>generic fantasy slop made by a proto lefty >versus actual kinothink I know which one is worth my time and it's not the one that is exclusively talked about by virgins on imageboards
When you did you realize Tolkien was a slop hack faggot who pilfered everything from Germanic religion, myth and folklore for his gay retarded fantasy series?
>>217164738>blown away by the pacingDon't make the bait too obvious next time.
>>217176814Besides what's already been said, the mundaneness of it is probably also deliberate. As mentioned in the text the cock doesn't give a fuck about the serious business going on around him, he just wants to crow. It takes the edge off things. Something the Hobbits are otherwise known to do, like when they call the king of Rohan a "fine old fellow. Very polite." But here it's nature itself doing it, taking the edge off the Nazgul lord's speech. And then the horns start ringing. It's a kino scene, but too subtle for Jackson.
>>217179344>Germanic religion, myth and folkloreOh, so you don't know what you're talking about. Gotcha.
>>217179344History does not exist in a vacuum, retard. Who gives a shit
>>217179344Hi George. You gonna finish your book anytime soon or what?
>>217168524Was this Ralph Bakshi's production?
>>217164238The source material was meant to be read not adapted into a movie.Nothing can hold a candle...https://youtu.be/I3g6mFI4Fug?si=vLJTxO5gLDhC01kI
>>217176474That doesnt translate well into a motion picture, anon. I hope you are not autistic enough to figure this out>>217176575The movies have lots of material to cover in their length so Im sure people would get confused if Denethor was more complex as a character. Also the movie's already gigantic length would increase as well
>>217164238Why Tom Bombadil was not included?
>>217164238You’re slop
>>217168943Nta but I just checked the Silmarillion and he wasn't dead, it says he was "thrown down".>"But at the last the siege was so strait that Sauron himself came forth; and he wrestled with Gilgalad and Elendil, and they both were slain, and the sword of Elendil broke under him as he fell. But Sauron also was thrown down, and with the hilt-shard of Narsil Isildur cut the Ruling Ring from the hand of Sauron and took it for his own. Then Sauron was for that time vanquished, and he forsook his body, and his spirit fled far away and hid in waste places; and he took no visible shape again for many long years."So it's basically exactly as in the movie. It clearly states that he was only vanquished AFTER Isildur cut off the ring.So there you go with your meaningless "lol go read the book" thinking nobody would do it, actual fucking moron.
>>217179600No, the crow part is pure shit. It's too cheesy both in concept and the way its written and adds literally nothing.
>>217179929No, it was Rankin/Bass + the Japanese studio which would become Ghibli.
Tv can't differentiate between a book and film. Poetry
listen to the radio series. it's a perfect adaptation. it keeps the main plot and dialogue as-is, it just doesn't have an omniscient narrator breaking the flow to tell you the lore about some hill.
>>217168804Some would even call it The Empire Strikes Back of The Lord of the Rings.
>>217176474The BBC broadcast did this well, but the films had to go a different way and they did it well too.
>>217167417As if Eowyn thought she had a chance with the King. Can't hate tho, she shot her shot.
>>217170201Yeah when you have to work with Andy Serkis one day you'll understand. Fidgety backstabbing mocap cunt.
>>217173492>Why isn't Aragorn in the new Gollum movie?The first of my trilogy was a hand-forged crown,A kingdom of grit where true art was found.The second began to inflate and shine,A grander design on a borrowed line.By the third, the craft was not what it seemed—A genie unleashed and a master redeemed.Now I dwell in the bottle, tenfold the scale,In a house built by giants, yet meant for the small.My maker claims happiness, loud and unfurled…But what owns the maker who once owned the world?
is it tolky-en on tol-keen?
>>217167743And Frodo managed to not be tempted by the ring for almost six months. Faramir managing to say "no" for one day when it mattered is impressive but not sue-ish.
>Charge!
>>217165317Oddly enough, Id rather have the autists on here psyop over the alphabet bois.
>>217164481This. Tolkien thought that just because he's aristocrat, he can write
>>217167417
>>217164238>its le shit and slop reeeee>still the movies ever produced by holywoodImagine if it wasnt run by satanic jew, what the world of entertainment would have been...
>>217167417i miss 2000s so much it's unreal
