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This is all you need.

>>217172059
SUBVERTED XD

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gets me every time

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>>217172059
>Oh wow, Luke becoming disillusioned with the Force and the Jedis? Could be interest-

But seriously, why did they ruin the original protagonists?

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>>217172186
You have to understand Mark Hamill's dilemma
After Jedi he couldn't get any fucking roles or casted in any other film, because no directors could see him as the roles he applied for, he was just "luke Skywalker" to them
This is a curse alot of new actors face when young and playing iconic roles
Sure he got a bit in the Guyver love action(just a bit) and village of the damned(as a preacher) and that was it, he couldn't market himself for more roles so he spent most of his life so poor he was stealing cigarette butts out of Public ashtrays(in case you aren't a smoker, that means you don't even have five bucks to your name)
Other than the occasional movie con appearance which barely made him enough to pay his monthly electric bill he's been on the verge of homelessness for half his life post 30, which can break your spirit and force you into a mercenary mindset due to insufficient security about ones future.

He had no clout or pull to protect his character, if he wanted that check or to die with at least enough money for some McDonald's and a carton of cigarettes to his name then he had to do what they tell him post what they tell him and shut the fuck up.

Too old and too poor to fight the woke hordes that took over everything once Lucas sold out.

They will do the same to Cavill if they get a chance to as well anons
They have changed the deal for old, aging out actors, pray they do not change it further..

>>217172470
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>>217172186
Luke Skywalker would never drink colourful milk from an alien creature like some sort of farm boy. This merits years of whining.

>>217172059
subversion my ass, it was a straight spit in the face of kids that grew up with Luke as a hero (aka, yes, white males)
you can see it best in the shitty way when Chewie rips through his door, Luke says "where's Han", and this faggot wipes to some other scene nobody wants to see at all or cares about
everyone wants to see Luke's reaction to finding out Han is dead, and this faggot wipes away
and then he kills Luke off via "exhaustion" after he does this force projection trick Snoke already did twice in the same movie, without breaking a sweat, with two other people at once, once real enough to transfer rain or something
just completely makes Luke look like this huge bitch all around
then spends months on twatter replying to all criticism with MAH DEEEEEEEEK

I'm glad his career has sucked and been aimed at his stereotypes of who was complaining since then

>>217172608
Holy shit!

>>217172608
Yeah, writing and directing a successful trilogy of original murder mysteries and being nominated for a couple of Oscars has probably been really tough for him

>>217172752
>been aimed at his stereotypes of who was complaining
lel
>nominated
lel

>>217172752
let me know when his star wars trilogy starts filming
fucked it up so b ad Yidsney not-cancelled it

>>217172815
Well, you tried

>>217172835
wish rian had tried to do anything but be a faggot

>>217172815
>>217172831
>I’m definitely multiple people guys lel

>>217172186
me on the right

>>217172059
Wait... he's still wearing the Jedi robes? Uh? Is that weird.

>>217172854
where did I imply I was?

Write it a better way. Remember, you have to justify Luke being a recluse out in the boonies when his friends needed him most.

>>217172059
>cue canned laughter
It's like a sitcom

>Luke goes through a whiny bitch phase and runs off to mope
perfectly in character
>Luke sits on his hands instead of leaving with Rey
absolute bullshit

>>217172862
Not weird. I stopped being a garage man 12 years ago and I still wear my sanitation uniform everyday.

I liked the scenes with Luke and his death, though not my ideal, didn't offend me.

It was the casino planet shit that really ruined this film for me. A soulless by-the-numbers episode with the two worst characters and more of those bad creature designs.

don't send Rey straight there with Chewie, have Chewie drop her off and fuck off to do something else, Han doesn't get mentioned until later (somehow, maybe have Rey not explain how she found him and be cagey to have some tiny bit of fucking character depth)
Chewie comes back for her, Luke finds out Han was killed by Kylo, that spurs him to go with them
this shit isn't hard Rian made every choice intentionally, he did not HAVE to do anything he did

>>217172902
>movie starts with a your mom joke
even at his worst Lucas was never THIS satirical, and using "w-well bad Lucas did this so I can do it worse" is such a bullshit excuse, they should have been going away from the bad-Lucas tier of shit and towards the far superior more "mature" kind of tone Rogue One had
at the very least don't write it BAD and then go "oh well Lucas wrote this part really bad so why are you complaining?"

>>217172888
It can be exactly the same just without him being a weak angry man who's given up on life. Instead make him someone who's come to believe that any time force users have tried to effect change on the galactic stage it's always led to more bloodshed in a relentless cycle, so the best thing he can do as the last Jedi who destroyed the last of the Sith is to stay where out of it. Have him not know his nephew is a Sith until Rey tells him, and then he grimly undertakes to put his Jedi cloaks back on, having been forced to confront the fact that the crushing wheel of war can only ever be steered, not stopped.

>>217173170
>Have him not know his nephew is a Sith until Rey tells him
honestly, fair credit, the most interesting things rian did was completely destroy JJ's blacked fantasy randomly, and the idea that Luke tried to kill Kylo to stop another Vader, though that latter was executed and written horribly then dropped and not explored any further
straight fucking stolen in spirit weirdly from Han's son killing Luke's wife in the EU, and Luke having to deal with that

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>WAKEY WAKEY BEN

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>>217172059

Luke would have waited for Kylo to do something before going there, after his father, he wouldn't have even gotten that close to killing him over dreams and vague feelings

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only retards hate my movie

>>217173163
The fart jokes in episode 1 are pretty bad, that said he did isolate farts to certain characters. You never have darth maul farted at. "Your mom" isn't all it was. It was also a "prank call" It could have been a character moment between Poe and Hux. Maybe a brief chance at negotiating and terms..... nah. Why explore these characters? Hux is a why bitch and Poe is a hot head, we don't need anything else.

I also, I had heard last jedi was bad when I went to see it. I wasn't sure in what way. I brought a flask full of booze. At the your mom joke I poured that fucker into my coke.

>>217173320
only retards scream MAH DEEEEEEEEK on twatter for months
angry retards at that

>>217173054
These movies are terrible but that is by far the worst part of any of them

>>217173324
>nah. Why explore these characters? Hux is a why bitch and Poe is a hot head, we don't need anything else.
>and then he straight discards any meaningful character moments from the OT characters except Leia
and the scene with Chewie and the toy tie in things that was angeringly pointless
>Chewie kills and skins one of them in front of them and cooks it
>goes to eat it
>*sad face*
>Chewie discards it making its death entirely pointless
just so bad on so many levels for the movie it was & all the story weight it was supposed to carry for 7 movies

>>217172059
The Last Jedi is a satire of Star Wars.

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>>217173420
so the nigger should have done the fucking spaceballs sequel instead and left this to someone willing to respect it & take it seriously
actually turn JJ's fucking mystery box nothing into SOMETHING instead of being this spiteful assclown

>>217173404
Over and over the movies tells you not to trust it and just laugh. There will be no sincere moments and everything is a fake out. It's like when an actor tries to stand up comedy. They have no clue how to do it and eventually just screaming the N word at people.

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>>217173493
>*iron slowly descends into frame like a spaceship*

>>217173320
>writes tlj before watching tfa
Genuinely how does anyone defend this?

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>>217172059
A TOAST!

To the sequels!

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>>217173539
It's like a mel brooks movie without any better jokes

does anyone have that BTS screenshot with the LF guys sitting in the background while Rian looks at this model of the titbeast with this look on their faces like their faith in humanity is being killed

>>217172127
where does it get you?

>>217172888
>Write it a better way. Remember, you have to justify Luke being a recluse out in the boonies when his friends needed him most.

This actually isn't hard. The threat of the First Order didn't become dire until very recently and Luke could have been doing some research for special knowledge or relics to combat Snoke.

>>217173404
You could have a scene where Chewie has prepared some fish meal for himself and the critters bother him for some till he roars - then he relents and gives them a bit. Comedy and no murder of sentients needed.

>>217172831
Yeah he got $150 million from Netflix instead I'm sure he's depressed he didn't get to make Star wars in the current Filonislop cameo machine

>>217173324
>Why explore these characters?
It IS exploring the characters, you just don't like that the Space Nazi is shown to be pathetic because you think he should be EPIC instead like gay blue painting man

>>217173717
this post is like reading a transcript of a sloppy blowjob ASMR
at least say no homo, hesus

>>217172470
Even discounting >>217172752 dude could've done voice work, games, and $60 comicon autographs until the end of time. Lots of people subsist on less. He's just a fuckup and blames his only big film role for ruining the brilliant career he was never gonna have. Of course he's ok with killing Luke Skywalker in the foulest way possible.

>>217173743
which is the space nazi
I was actually glad when Snoke was disposed of cause it gave Kylo the focus like it should have been all along
and then JJ brings back fucking Palpatine

>>217173845
>Of course he's ok with killing Luke Skywalker in the foulest way possible.
I hate Hamill as a person, but they straight lied to him throughout the entire process
he said he didn't want to do it if Luke wasn't going to be respected, because he spoke to fans so much, and got roped into the contracts under false pretenses
they didn't even tell him they were killing off Luke until the press tour, he never knowingly filmed Luke's death
in the BTS you can see Rian straight kissing his ass and lying to his face, to get him to cooperate, telling him the movie title meant the movie was all about Luke

>>217173677
>This actually isn't hard. The threat of the First Order didn't become dire until very recently and Luke could have been doing some research for special knowledge or relics to combat Snoke.
That doesn't answer it. He peaces out, severs all ties, and doesn't answer his calls.

>they didn't even tell him they were killing off Luke until the press tour, he never knowingly filmed Luke's death
and the worst bit of all is Carrie died a year before TLJ came out, and they had an entire year to decide to remove that one brief edit of Luke dying, and they still left it in there, knowing they had fucking nothing for their original plans for it to all revolve around Carrie with her dead
and Kennedy said like immediately they weren't going to CGI revive her, and she had filmed nothing for the next one
utterly brain dead

>>217172096
this + Andor

>>217173896
Got sauce on any of this? Wouldn't his death be in the script for him to read? Sounds really interesting but I can't find anything to support it

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>>217174127
>this + Andor

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>>217172186
When this scene leaked I was convinced it was fake. There was no way something this stupid would be in the final movie.

Boy was I wrong.

>>217174215
I saw a link years ago, no idea what it was now
LLM says it's right, but can't provide a link that actually says it

## Mark Hamill's Surprise at Luke's Fate

Mark Hamill indeed revealed that he was unaware of Luke Skywalker's fate during the filming of *The Last Jedi*. This surprising revelation came out during various interviews as part of the film's press tour.

### Details of the Revelation

- **Filming Without Knowledge**: Hamill mentioned that he did not learn about Luke's death until the press tour, which highlighted a significant disconnect in communication between the filmmakers and the actors. This led to an unexpected surprise for him when discussing the film.

- **Reactions During the Tour**: His initial reactions during the press tour reflected genuine shock, as he expressed difficulty reconciling the character's legacy with such a significant and abrupt end. He noted that he would have approached the role differently had he known the character's ultimate fate.

### Insights into Character Development

- **Unexpected Creative Choices**: Hamill's comment reveals how filmmakers sometimes make bold creative choices that actors might not fully grasp during the production phase. This adds a layer of unpredictability to a beloved franchise.

- **Engagement with Fans**: His transparency about his surprise resonated with fans, showing that even the actors are invested in their characters and care deeply about their narratives.

In summary, Mark Hamill’s shocking discovery about Luke's fate during the movie's press tour has contributed to discussions surrounding character development and actor-director dynamics in major films. His candid reflections have left a lasting impact among fans and audiences alike.

>>217172888
OK but I get to delete the most of the sequel plot
>Sequel trilogy is about Luke's initial success, failure and seclusion, then redemption in the end through Ben Solo
>First film starts at the peak of Luke's academy, happy start. The new generation will be Ben Solo, a promising Jedi instructor, a non force-sensitive that spent time around the academy, maybe a force-sensitive Stormtrooper dropout to actually give that storyline a chance. There are still Imperial Remnants like the EU. Having only experienced the good times, Ben Solo grows disillusioned with the Jedi way and peace in the galaxy. Out of fear of a repeat, Ben is kept in the dark about his lineage; Luke naively thinks ignorance will protect his nephew. Over time, Ben learns of the force "in all its aspects" and feels lied to, because he was. Ben adopts his Sith persona and takes over the Imperial remnant to claim the mantle of his legendary grandfather. He crusades against Luke's academy, drives Luke into hiding. Luke drops the training responsibilities on Leia, and Han reluctantly ferries him to his hiding place.
>Second film starts a few years later. Luke, again naively, tries the Yoda method of self preservation. Unknown backwater planet. Shame of his failures kept him secluded and cut off from the galaxy. He stays connected to the force, yet still loses hope of making a difference. His promising former instructor finds him and convinces him to not lose hope, just like he did years ago with someone else in his family.
>Third film starts with Ben's perspective in his new Empire. It's not what he wanted and again grows disillusioned. He dreamt of gaining all the power that Anakin did, but never what he'd do once he got it. He's taken on his Rule of Two apprentice. His noticeable lack of faith causes some infighting and vying for the throne. He will need to choose his battle: beat his own apprentice who will inevitably come for him, or Luke and company, who will inevitably come for him.

>>217174296
god damn rian johnson to the pits of hell for eternity

>>217172540
Straight from the tit though? Come on, be serious. Even farmers don’t do that shit.

>>217174316
Damn, reflecting on this, I can't believe i wrote it. I'm gonna go touch some grass tomorrow...

>>217174215
>>217174315
*links this video which I haven't watched as well btw
https://www.today.com/video/mark-hamill-says-luke-skywalker-s-death-was-complete-closure-241453637767

>>217174360
>>217174315
someone's got that webm of him looking like he just saw his dog get hit by a car.

>>217174379
yeah I've heard that was where he found out, no idea if that's true but he looked pissed in a bunch of those interviews

>>217173845
>>217172470
He was not poor after Star Wars, him--along with the rest of the cast--made fucking MINT off of residuals from the movies. He also did a string of movies from 89 to 93, did some tvand then became the voice actor for Joker in virtually everything from the 90s onward. He never stopped working. and consistently booked roles.

Its crazy how fucking retarded and wrong you are when a single google search would show you the truth. Its like you want to be retarded.

>>217172059
the movie is still dogshit, but this was a direct callback to him throwing away the lightsaber in Return of the Jedi, possibly the only moment in the entire movie that made any sense and it still triggered the masses, I wish movies were made illegal at this point

>>217174078
>Carrie dies. Cut her Merry Poppins flying in space scene since she was on a med table the rest of the movie anyways.
>She dies as an unceremonious casualty of war in this film, with the grieving in the next.
>Save Luke's death for the final film, since he's the most important of the three.
Indeed they really didn't need to kill him after a high-effort technique. He's a master, so it doesn't make sense to sacrifice one's life for a galaxy-wide mind trick. Straining like we saw, sure, but not death. Super gay. I don't know how you gracefully kill Luke Skywalker, but everybody agrees that wasn't it.

>>217173743
that's not exploring the character. You can make him pathetic without making poe stupid. Anyone can be the butt of a joke and his reaction to is just bad comedy and not an expansion of the character.

>>217174442
Yeah I know he did voice work, games, and B movies. That's the point. He clearly wasn't that much opposed to ruining the character. The script isn't salutary even if he didn't know they were going to kill him off. He could've just walked.

>>217174459
>>Carrie dies. Cut her Merry Poppins flying in space scene
all of my available this, it was embarrassingly bad and an incredibly cheap subversion of expectations since literally fucking everyone expected her to die there since she was dead
cut it entirely or move it towards the end since she still had other speaking scenes

>>217174599
>He could've just walked.
lel, no, you can't just walk on a yidsney contract, they could sue him and drag litigations out indefinitely and bankrupt him via court fees and not feel it at all

>>217172608
>subversion my ass,
what subversion? Rian had to explain why luke didnt bother to help his friends during force awakens. The disillusioned master is a very conmmon trope.

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>>217172966
Rian could have done anything he wanted to do, and already was by tossing JJ's Palpatine stand in garbage in the garbage, so there is literally no excuse for ALL the choices made
he wasn't even trying to do something good
>>217173420
>The Last Jedi is a satire of Star Wars.
which was the total opposite of anything it should have been

>>217174682
They can take what he has on the books and he can turn it into a spectacle and tap StarWars autists for another $50M in cash. He's too high profile to simply plow under.

>ESB was the dark point so TLJ will be the blooper reel
>*tastes ground*
>"that's actually a really stupid idea"
>MAH DEEEEEEEEK
>*disappears into on set bouncy castle*

>>217172059
Luke was never my hero. George taught me early that I wanted to be Jabba the Hutt, I wanted to own female slaves. Thank you George, come back soon.

>>217174834
he's too insufferable for that it seems, Hamill is super far uber leftist so Yidsney should have been embracing the shit out of him to work with, you'd think
he seems totally insufferable on social media
I don't think his career sucking has that much to do with typecasting

>>217174682
the bullshit is, George Lucas signed the original cast back to Lucasfilm, then sold it to Disney. Mark thought he'd be making movies with George.

>>217174877
Honestly Obi Wan was my hero
>Cross paths with promising page he's been protecting for years
>Impart some wisdom, help first steps into a larger world, etc.
>Alt+F4 out of the situation
>Coach from the sidelines with no skin in the game
>Do nothing, win

>>217174919
Lucas is such an ass
I really don't like Filoni that much but he would have undoubtedly never have allowed that to be done to Luke
should have just handed the shit off to Filoni like he fucking planned to if he was tired

>>217174959
Colin Trevorrow left episode 9 over Leia's survival and Luke's death. Disney did not have Trevorrow's back. Johnson did request JJ change episode 7, originally BB-8 went with Rey and Chewie. Johnson ask it be R2. JJ olieged. Trevorrow asked, in the wake of Fisher's death, to kill Leia and not Luke. Johnson told Trevorrow to fuck off. It's a shitty tragedy, but even still, that aside, had she lived, killing Luke at all was dumb, but like that? Rian Johnson reminds me of Chevy Chase or TJ Miller. Capable talent, but full of ego.

>>217172470
The only role I remember him in was Jay and Silent Bob Jerk Back.
Hamill played a villain character in a mock up studio rampage ala Peewees Big Adventure.
Lol he get his hand chopped off with a laser sword ring thingy.
He punchlines "oh no! Not again! "

>>217173250
Jaden solo killed Mara?!!

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>>217175084
not a popular one around here but I liked Looper and it made me think his SW was going to be good
boy did I get subverted
he wants to be Lynch so bad when he grows up
>*disappears into on set bouncy castle*

>>217175123
if you're trolling me, well trolled, I legit feel guilty now if you were reading those and I spoiled it

>>217175176
I used to read them but stopped because I felt too old to keep reading Jedi slop, I went through a period of depression and basically stopped collecting the books

>>217173320
It's like he was talking to himself in the mirror when he said that.

>>217175394
I'm sorry mate
the EU wasn't perfect by any means but it ended up in this place where what they did with Kylo and Rey is like this fucking crayon outline tracing of where the EU went with Jacen & Jaina
far superior to what Yidsney did for all its flaws
the last couple EU series are worth reading at least through Jacen's arc, main worst bit about them is they're like +/-50% side character filler, but that was all the EU really
these good trilogies stretched out and padded to shit into these 9 book series

>>217174798
>Rian could have done anything he wanted to do
No he couldn't, he had to work with a mystery box, the villians were already lame since rey, po, black janitor easily won everty battle

>>217175656
>No he couldn't, he had to work with a mystery box
>*just does what he wants and tosses Snoke out anyway*
....except he did, so the movie is exactly what he wanted, and what he wanted is, as a whole and in bits, shit

In which order do you recommend me to see Star Wars? Since it is a classic, I "know his story". But I want to experience for the first time.

>>217175176
Im not going to say Rian Johnson is an idiot and doesn't know what he is doing. Looper is his film, it's not really for me, but it's fine. Last Jedi its clear, dude doesn't get star wars. He made a better spaceballs movie.

>>217175761
honestly? just do these >>217172096
what the whole series was "about" changed so many times over the years, it was never really this whole big long story about Anakin until the period between ROTJ and TPM where Lucas was getting ego blowjobs every day by the LF/LA kids he was hiring
then it became this whole other thing
just watch the OT and then whatever else you feel like, but I'd skip everything yidsney outright, except maybe rogue one
solo wasn't terrible either

>>217172186
Yes, it was Lucas idea and ended being the best acting role of Mark Hammil in his career.
Star Wars fantards wanted Luke being a super gary-stu instead (this is why they don't make movies)

>>217172127
Luke didn't try to kill Kylo, this was a lie he told Rey. You would know this if you had watched the movie.

>>217175872
I liked Andor.
It had some moments
Like the beach trooper scene where he got arrested, the dialogue on that was down right hilarious

>>217175908
>it was Lucas idea
that Luke was there was Lucas' idea, not that he died there and was a whiny pussy the whole film
Lucas would have fucked it up in totally different PT like ways overexplaining shit with his midichlorians while being a middling writer at the best of times

>>217175928
I still have a torrent of s1 I haven't watched, last thing I even attempted was Kenobi and I couldn't make it through one episode, deleted the torrent

>>217172059
it was dabbing on nerds who take starwars seriously

>>217175967
that's a robot chicken episode, not a series installment

>>217172059
happy to see so many star wars fans get ass blasted by this depiction because they can't imagine anything else good besides the same old shit over and over again

>>217176011
a remora lowest tier secondhand trolling? in a TLJ thread?
inconceivable

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>>217172115
Grumpy Luke was funny and soulful.

>>217176088
ass blasted star wars fan

>>217176098
>t. by implication not a star wars fan at all
>just entering a sw thread to secondhand "troll" behind a shitty troll director who also wasn't a star wars fan
you know you're like a homeless bum panhandling outside a supermarket
have a (You), poor guy

Can I watch the series Andor, Kenobi, etc without the movies or they have a lot of fan service / lore?

>>217173624
I hate to admit I laughed and clapped at this.

>>217176152
nothing yidsney really has much actual fan service, it's why the franchise is more or less dead
none of their "expanded" lore is any good either they're just kind of shitting into bags as filler
idk about Andor this guy recommends it >>217175928 but you'll only enjoy Kenobi if you've never seen anything

I mean if you really don't care and want to watch the yidsney stuff you're much better off ignoring everything that came before it
maybe then it's at least watchable idk

>>217174315
holy shit how can there still be things I didnt know about to make me hate this movie even more a decade later

>>217175961
>still have a torrent of s1 I haven't watched,
Kenobi was shit
Andor is gritty pre rogue 1 buildup
Some cringe characters, but Cassian keeps it real, ruthless and dirty.

>>217175967
It does feel that way. The time to do that is in some knockoff or satire, not a feature installment in a venerable franchise.
KK, Rian Johnson, all of them. A pox on their houses. Whatever, what do I care. Star Wars is nerd shit, right?

>>217174315
What
The
Fuck

I really wish Lucas would have waited until Fisher, Hamill and Ford were dead before selling the property

>>217174315
I guess 4chan really is all zoomers and bots now. I was in those threads 10 fuckin years ago and it's all true. He talked shit about Rian for months after it, saying he thought it was dumb and he told Rian is was dumb.
There are only real two possibilities here. Either Rian is completely ignorant of Star Wars and Luke Skywalker (unlikely as a filmmaker), or it was character assassination, no doubt with KK's blessing. I always thought it weird they hired RIAN JOHNSON to do the middle Star Wars film, guy was straight arthouse up until then. Even Looper is, essentially, arthouse sci-fi.

>>217177474
Luke Skywalker was a White Cis Male chosen one
Of course the motive was to take something beautiful that white people love and ruin it

>>217177421
It's not the first time he's had a depressive fit and made some rash decision. He was originally supposed to do at least 2 more trilogies, until his wife divorced him after ESB and he compressed it all into ROTJ.

>>217177510
>until his wife divorced him after ESB
Some famous guy once quote "Women are dream killers" and I believe it from experience.

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>>217177534
Once he got that payday she cashed out, so typical of women in a no-fault divorce society that rewards betrayal with Mammon.
If George stayed a poor nigger she would have stuck around, at least until someone richer came along.

>>217174325
My grandpa told me that my mom would, as a teen, sneak onto cow fields with her friends and a bucket, and steal milk from cows, straight from the udder.

>>217172186
>be Rian
>get millions of dollars
>make your giant 18 foot sea cow quad titty fetish alien
>give it working lactating nipples
>so heavy they have to fly it to an island by helicopter
>have lead actor milk it on the big screen and slurp it down

>>217177652
>people complain you just made a fetish film
>"MAH DEEEEEEEEEEK"

>>217172186
Still can't believe this disgusting shit was in a Star Wars film, a Disney film. Walt would have been furious.

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>knows the manchild audience will riot if Luke doesn't show up
>Lucas-approved concept art has Luke in a mountain monastery
>"nah fuck that I saw this cool island on stumbleupon"
>puts an after credits scene into the actual movie
>shows the entire abandoned island Luke has been living on
>end the movie mid-interaction
>crashes the trilogy
Everything could have been salvaged if he just ended the movie when it was supposed to, the music swelling as Rey and Chewie enter hyperspace on their search for Luke.

>>217173170
>Instead make him someone who's come to believe that any time force users have tried to effect change on the galactic stage it's always led to more bloodshed in a relentless cycle, so the best thing he can do as the last Jedi who destroyed the last of the Sith is to stay where out of it.
Luke Skywalker: Lesson two. Now that they're extinct, the Jedi are romanticized, deified. But if your strip away the myth and look at their deeds, the legacy of the Jedi is failure. Hypocrisy, hubris.
Rey: That's not true!
Luke Skywalker: At the height of their powers, they allowed Darth Sidious to rise, create the Empire, and wipe them out. It was a Jedi Master who was responsible for the training and creation of Darth Vader.

>>217177474
>I was in those threads 10 fuckin years ago and it's all true.
"I read it on 4chan"

>>217175761
George Lucas intended for the prequels to be watched first.

>>217176011
>the same old shit over and over again
It's genre slop for kids. That's exactly what it's supposed to be. It felt like watching my 5th grade teacher have a melty about national politics in the classroom, and that's probably not far from what it was.

>>217177724
I don't mind him putting Luke in there. I mean, I hate J J Abrams passionately, but I wanted to see Luke and Leia back. Leia was a huge disappointment because Carrie Fisher is a cokefiend and was totally walled when the movie was made. But Hamill got in the best shape of his life and looks fucking terrific, and Abrams did a good job with the reveal.
Rian deserves all the blame for what happened, it was 100% his baby and he fucking smashed it upon the rocks. I can almost imagine how gleeful he was writing that shit.

>>217177834
Nobody really cares what George wanted anymore. Anyone who's never seen anything of it that starts at Phantom Menace isn't going past Attack of the Clones. The PT is not that good at all.

>>217177842
>Abrams did a good job with the reveal.
A poorly filmed cliffhanger and Luke looking grumpy for Rian to sort out later?

>>217172059
> haha i bet you didnt expect this, expectaion subverted and that's a good thing

>>217177861
It's called a cliffhanger.
And yeah it's a soft-ball set-up that lets the next guy do as he wishes. I probably wouldn't have started the film right there in that moment, I'd have set it a month or so after with Rey already training under Luke. Just like time passes as Luke trains with Yoda.

>>217172096
damn why is the leah art for a new hope so horny, she never looked like that in the movie

>>217172059
THAT'S MY WHITE IDENTITY HE'S THROWING AWAY THERE

>>217177932
Man I remember in the threads when we were getting leaks, there was a rumor of some sort of big action sequence (that CGI disaster in the casino) and it was reported Luke was on set and we all thought he was going to have some cool fucking scene where he kicks ass and takes names. Imagine my disappointment.

>>217177944
Movie posters back then were sometimes made early in production or independent from the movie, by artists who only get rough sketches of what the movie is about.

>>217177958
Were you just on your phone during the scenes with yoda in Empire or what?

>>217177932
>soft-ball set-up that lets the next guy do as he wishes
>1 square mile island with no trees or wildlife to explain how Luke has been surviving
>barren island gives no indication what the fuck he has been doing for 7-10 years
>Cutting the movie mid interaction, making a timeskip nearly impossible.
>being so dumb that you leave R2D2 with Leia, so Rian has to beg JJ to rewrite the script with R2D2 coming along so Luke can have a tiny morsel of character interaction

>>217177958
>that whole bullshit with the mirror sequence where Anakin supposedly showed up

>>217178035
>>217177958
For me it was
>the sea cow is Anakin's spirit inside a force beast!

>>217178018
>Cutting the movie mid interaction, making a timeskip nearly impossible.

Nonsense, you trust the audience to have seen the first movie and open with Rey doing shit like, idk, levitating rocks. Or you do something else. You don't literally NEED to start it with that interaction, that interaction could be anything, it's not important. Luke gets his lightsaber back, comes out of exile, starts being a hero. Simple. Ez. Like Ben coming out of retirement for Luke.

Pottery.

>no sorry i almost killed a kid and it gave me a big sad, imma stay here and suck alien tits

You don't do this.

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It felt so comfy before TFA came out, even the negro couldn't really dampen it. So much wasted potential. $4 billion franchise worth almost nothing by the last film.

>>217172752
I tried watching Wake up dead man but had to stop when he starts talking about how many times he’s masturbated. Shit tier amerimutt ‘humour.’

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>>217178096
wish i still had the webm of Mark Hamill losing his shit at the press conference, he looked homicidal.

>>217178115
good lord he moist

>>217178079
>to have seen the first movie and open with Rey doing shit like, idk, levitating rocks.
Yeah just skip Luke learning about Han's death. Skip the CLIFFHANGER interaction of Rey offering the lightsaber to Luke. Skip Luke explaining how Kylo fell to the dark side. Just start with a training montage so the Star Wars fans clap at remembering the ESB scene!
The softball setup is ending the movie at the END OF THE MOVIE, not shoehorning in a marvel scene for twitter to talk about.

Imagine if A New Hope ended with an after credits scene of Luke crashing on Dagobah, then cutting to black when Yoda appears.

>>217172540
Remind the class what Luke was farming on Tatooine

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>>217178147
black don't crack

>>217172223
That's how the woke left/communist/liberal, whatever you want to call them, operate.
The whole point is to atomise you until everyone is dependent on the State. They do this by deconstructing your traditions, heroes, culture, family, religion, etc., as a means to erase them. They subvert until you become so demoralised they take over.

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>>217178223
lol yeah there it is. that 1000 yard stare.

>>217172608
>you can see it best in the shitty way when Chewie rips through his door,
I think the biggest sin in the ST is when Han dies, and Chewie, Rey, and Finn return to the Rebellion, Leia decides to ignore Chewie and console Rey instead.
Yeah, my husband just died, but instead of seeking solace in our best mutual friend, I am going to hug this complete stranger bitch I just met two days ago.
Such fucking pathetic feminine Mary Sue writing.

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>>217178165
>Imagine if A New Hope ended with an after credits scene of Luke crashing on Dagobah
*Also, Dagobah is a>>217178079
>imma stay here and suck alien tits
>>217172223
>why did they ruin the original protagonists?
Because "we want the Hunger Games audience" and teenage girls don't want to see three out of shape 70 year olds being super cool and badass.
>Leia
Ruined by Carrie Fisher. George Lucas wanted Leia to be important in the sequels, Disney clearly wanted Leia to be important. But Carrie didn't give a fuck, she just wanted to secure a job for her daughter and get some more money so she can live her life.
>Han
Someone had to die, and the shitty script had to undo everything about the ending of ROTJ. I think Han was actually pretty good characterwise, just the deadbeat piece of shit backstory that ruins him.
>Luke
”It just felt like every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over,” Arndt said. “Suddenly you didn’t care about your main character anymore because, ‘Oh f–k, Luke Skywalker’s here. I want to see what he’s going to do.’”
>R2 and C3P0
Must be some licensing thing. Lucas wanted the sequels to end with R2 and C3P0, instead they are almost entirely ignored in the sequels (except the C3P0 death fakeout to make it seem like there are stake)

>>217178279
>>Luke
>”It just felt like every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over,” Arndt said. “Suddenly you didn’t care about your main character anymore because, ‘Oh f–k, Luke Skywalker’s here. I want to see what he’s going to do.’”
At least The Mandalorian gave him a cool scene, even if it was Disney doing that CGI zombie shit again. Jesus fucking Christ Hamill really deserved better.

>>217178223
>old alcoholic man looks tired during a morning press conference after seeing 3 different premieres for the movie in 3 time zones

>>217178313
nah, moments before that glance he looks like he's having a panic attack. he doesn't look tired.

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>>217178241
>I am going to hug this complete stranger bitch I just met two days ago
JJ Abrams: "That was probably one of the mistakes I made in that. My thinking at the time was that Chewbacca, despite the pain he was feeling, was focused on trying to save Finn and getting him taken care of. So I tried to have Chewbacca go off with him and focus on Rey, and then have Rey find Leia and Leia find Rey. The idea being that both of them being strong with the Force and never having met, would know about each other — that Leia would have been told about her beyond what we saw onscreen and Reyof course would have learned about Leia. And that reunion would be a meeting and a reunion all in one, and a sort of commiseration of their mutual loss."

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>>217178333
>moments before that glance he looks like he's having a panic attack.
"That glance" is him struggling to stay awake while Rian talks about the tone of 2nd films in trilogies. He's nearly catatonic for the entire press conference.

>>217178378
He would have been entirely justified killing Rian right there. I bet he could do it too, he'd just gotten off like 4 months in the gym.

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>>217178115
>he looked homicidal
Damn he hates Daisy Ridley! Look at that murderous glint in his eyes!

>>217178444
Nice digits. I doubt he hates Ridley, she's just an actor like him. He knows who's responsible for this shit.
Of all the actors only Hamill really wanted to come back, and he got the worst fucking treatment.

>>217172186
>This got 40 yo manchildren seething for over 8 years

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>>217175872
t. dumbfuck nigger who doesn't even know that Lucas had the whole "Anakin betrays the Jedi through being manipulated by Palpatine and becomes Vader" by the time ESB was released
PT is awesome and an actual logical continuation of the OT as seen by the same creator. R1 and Blandor are both awful cyberpunk trash which predditors who don't like SW in the first place love. Solo isn't even worth talking about because of how bad it was.

>>217172470
Why couldn't he just get a normal job then?

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>>217178279
Lucas and Yidney's interpretation of Leia's importance was wildly different
In the Lucas ST she was mainly part of the political side of the plot while Luke had his own spiritual side and Han had his own stuff too. They all got equal treatment as important heroes
In Disney (and particularly KK and Fagloni's PoV), Leia was a feminist icon which had to replace Luke as master mentor cause otherwise muh heckin' patriarchy o algo.

>>217175925
I listened to the commentary track, kylo wasn't lying, it was how he remembers that moment

>>217178340
Damage control.
Just shows you he never cared for Star Wars even if he claimed he did.

Another couple of things from the commentary, he usually LOVES praising actors and he said nothing about John Boyega, only about the direction of the character. Also he is usually pretty upbeat(I listened to knives out and glass onion commentaries), but in this one as the movie goes on he gets more sad. He really likes rey/kylo scenes, and I agree, it was the best part

>>217175925
>>217179898
My interpretation was that Luke never physically reached the point of pulling out a lightsaber but being a powerful force user, in his sleep he picked up the scenario playing out in Luke's head and assumed it was real, woke up and responded accordingly so that's what he remembers.

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>>217174959
See >>217179783
Filoni was ALWAYS heavily involved with Yidsney SW, every bad decision as far back as even TFA can be traced back to him to an extent, and him only gaining power after the Disney+ period made his influence even worse
You're a retard if you think the same guy whose show destroyed Anakin's entire fucking arc in order to have an underaged chick in heavily revealing clothes going around winning every fight and girlbossing over far stronger opponents would have "never let Luke do what he did in TLJ"
>>217180063
Your interpretation is not supported by the film. The film makes it pretty fucking crystal clear that Jake Skywalker genuinely was about to kill Kylo.

>>217172059
this actually makes perfect sense for the character at this point, what doesnt make sense is for him to be standing there looking like some wise master while the chick reaches out to him like its an epic soiboy funko pop moment
>i came to this secluded planet to be alone and now this dumb bitch brings me my dads childkilling laser sword and my friends dog to try and drag me into a new galactic war

>>217180166
>this actually makes perfect sense for the character at this point
No it doesn't.
>i came to this secluded planet to be alone
"I gave up on my friends and let the galaxy get enslaved cause uhh idk"
>my dads childkilling laser sword
Luke got over Vader's evil acts in RotJ, he got reset like Han did cause fuck the audience I guess
>my friends dog to try and drag me into a new galactic war
"Grrr those selfish bastards trying to save the galaxy from eternal slavery under a new, stronger Empire. They should just let me rot cause the Jedi made Vader or whatever"

There's literally a video, Luke took out a lightsaber for a moment out of reflex
https://youtu.be/fDYvG_P3MnU

>>217173539
Oh God...

>>217173576
Jesus Christ, bro!

>>217176094
HOLY SHIT!!!!

>>217172096
>This is all you need.
If you're a poindexter, sure.

>>217180201
>It's le bad writing because it hurts my feelings

The star wars fandom, gentlemen

Luke was always a lame ass anyway. The type of character that only nerds like.

>>217178096
>the negro
Dude, you are talking like a 1800s slave owner.

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The Last Jedi's portrayal of Luke Skywalker is what should have been in Return of the Jedi. George Lucas is a hack fraud who designed an infallible self-insert as a main character and eventually realized it and decided to make the primary antagonist an emotional retard in the nth hour.
Prove me wrong.

>>217172059
it was so pretentious and meta. Why did they play it for comedy? it might have worked if it was dramatic but you might as well put a boing sound effect over that shit

remind me why everyone wanted a map to him and why was there a map anyway, and why was it split into 2 parts?

>>217182706
That's a story for another time

>>217172059
TFA is still worse than TLJ. TFA killed the trilogy in its conception with its reheated Galactic Civil War setting. TFA also established that Luke fucks off in the first place.

THE SACRED TEXTS

The sequels are cynical as fuck

>>217173163
>Rogue One
YouTube fan video

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>>217178444
Lel
You just know

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>Palpatine was unironically behind it all, again

>>217182706
It was a map to the first Jedi temple that already existed, Luke didn't make the map. Kylo Ren says verbatim in TFA that an incomplete map already existed in the Empire's data archives but the last piece was missing, which Luke found during his adventures post-RotJ

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I would like Luke better if he was a girl. Naive idealists work best with female characters, while they make for lame male characters.

>>217172470
what the fuck are you talking about anon, even ignoring the bank he made off of star wars he's had a long running voice acting career which I'm sure paid the bills too. There's no way he was ever scrounging for fucking cig butts you moron.

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>>217183085
>There's no way he was ever scrounging for fucking cig butts you moron.

>>217183103
>out of context picture of him with a cigarette butt in his hand
this tells me absolutely nothing anon
your key assertion is that he was so poor after star wars that he didn't even have five dollars to his name. That has NEVER been the case since star wars anon.

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>>217179549
>Hates r1, andor and solo and accuses anyone of liking it of not being a true star wars fan
Just admit you hate han solo, didn't understand the gritty backstory that would even take him to mos eisley, you were clearly introduced to ANH after George edited him shooting first out, and know absolute shit of the underworld elements or space piloting being essential in SW but just always wanted to skip ahead to some lightsaber scenes

I bet you completely missed the heavy implication reference in ESB when Vader turned to Boba Fett and specifically told HIM with his finger in Fett's face "No Disintegration!"
Which strongly implies that out of the random mish mash of bounty hunters they hired Vader was well aware and had previous knowledge of Boba Fett and his reputation(and actually believed was so competent that he needed limitations layed out before being cut loose)

I bet you didn't even read the first 5 books of the EU that came out
You probably never read about Dathomir and got everything you know from Star Wars Adventures.
You probably don't know fuck all of Hans home planet, that he came from a culture of gritty engineers and space truckers.

Next time you want to open your backwoods ingrate mouth just admit you "don't get it" before you try to gatekeep who is a star wars fan or not you puppy zillenial, not every Star wars franchise HAS to be strictly force users and clean looking admirals on giant military space boats, some of us appreciate the Cantina elements and it's back stories.

>>217179549
wait are you the same guy I insulted in the other thread about andor?

>>217179571
>Middle manager hiring anyone who's a bigger and cooler, more popular deal than themselves

>>217183145
Too long, didn't read.

>>217183145
> didn't understand the gritty backstory
Your bait gets retarded too early. I didnt bother to read the rest

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>>217183196
>Four paragraphs? No thanks
This doesn't insult me, it's just a self own proving you are a Zoomer who enjoyed woke twitter before Elon purchased it, its ok tranny anon, I wrote that for the entertainment of the lurkers, not toddler ESLs who struggle with 1st world languages

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>>217183274
>Samefagging because did read and is absolutely seething about getting backhanded online like some bitch
Lmao

>>217172888
he was trapped in a crystal

>>217172186
>Oh wow, Luke becoming disillusioned with the Force and the Jedis? Could be interest-
This. The themes could have been amazing if handled by a writer with literally any competence.

>>217172888
>Write it a better way.
Literally anything else
>Snoke can endlessly regenerate due to ancient sith magic and Luke's been studying a way to defeat him
>Luke found himself tempted more and more by the dark side, seeing elements of Vader rising up in himself, and purposely stranded himself there to protect the galaxy from himself
>Luke set up a secret second jedi academy and has been training the next generation
>the new republic are corrupt idiots (basically canon in disneywars anyway) and tried to weaponise him so he fled - can tie into any of the above premises
>the same reason as TLJ but written by someone who isn't retarded

>>217183408
>The rebels are literally the Vietcong - George Lucas
How did so many Nazis feel seen by this franchise

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>>217173493
>They have no clue how to do it and eventually just screaming the N word at people.

>>217182996
But the main character has to learn from his mistakes, show accountability, improve, and grow as a person.

>>217172059
>>217182659
>Why did they play it for comedy?
Luke should have been reminded of his moment of humiliation, when he almost murdered his nephew. the son of his sister and best buddy. I almost murdered him. that moment destroyed everything. and here's a reminder of that.

he should have fallen to his knees and cried, then stood up in anger, flinging the saber away with all his might:
"thanks for reminding me of why I'm here, bitch. now get the fuck out."

nope. we need le meme comedy beat. hur hur so much funnier to trick the audience who was expecting more

>>217184103
this nigga thinks manchildren who have been throwing a tantrum for 8 years because their hero got cynical would be happier if instead he fell on the ground and cried because he saw a lightsaber

>>217183286
Damn, buzzwords galore. That ain't the gotcha you think it is, bro.
>>217183952
>But the main character has to learn from his mistakes, show accountability, improve, and grow as a person.
It's called fiction, my guy. As in, not real.

I'm so glad Based Rian completely assblasted the entire Starshit fanbase with this movie. They are truly the most insufferable and despicable bunch of cretins.

>>217172059
This is the least what the fuck scene of the entire movie. The whole show is just bizarre.

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The SACRED Jedi TEXTS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Ahem..
I will now watch your movie

>>217172752
>successful trilogy of original murder mysteries
He made a shit time travel movie, got lucky being handed a bb script, fucked star wars forever, and then just started exploiting Agatha Christie's intellectual property for The Atlantic readers that will go into obscurity the second the next republican goes into office.

>>217172888
Luke has been trapped and you actually have to rescue him, not him rescuing you

>>217185352
You'd have to change the ending of episode 7

>>217174325
>Straight from the tit though? Come on, be serious. Even farmers don’t do that shit.
That's mostly because milking machines do the job today, but it's not like it's undrinkable, just a little less safe than pasteurized

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>>217184984
She looks in need of training.

>>217172059
how was this board back in 2017 after the release of this movie and the first viewings came in ?

>>217172470
then explain harrison ford

>>217184984
>I love feet. They are delicate, beautiful, fragrant...and make me coom everywhere.

>>217172223
We can't have heroes to give hope to the people. Pair this with "revenge is bad" slop and you get a docile, abusable, population.

>>217172888
trapped there by cosmetic solar wave that caused his x-wing to crash, leading him to be stranded. the falcon also crashes so they got to figure out how to get off the planet.

>>217185611
>then explain harrison ford
Dude became an A-lister, what do you mean?

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>>217172223
>But seriously, why did they ruin the original protagonists?
they legit thought that would be good storytelling:
-subvert expectations
-it's a mystery!
-why? how? what is going on?!
-isn't that more interesting? you see the old heroes defeated, don't you now want to know how they came to be like this?
-gives a reason to start with new fresh characters, who also figure out the "why?" along with the audience

in concept, it's not a bad decision. it's how they answered the questions that ruined it. and boooyyy did they ruin it

>>217177421
>I really wish Lucas would have waited until Fisher, Hamill and Ford were dead before selling the property
Nah, CGI at this point is making it to where they don’t even need the OG actors. this shit was gonna happen regardless because Kathleen Kennedy decided to 1. do a sequel without a plan, 2. three different directors for each film, 3. no oversight at all over those directors. the issue is we had zero corporate oversight. zero. none. bob iger would never greenlit this shit.

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>>217186269
>it's not a bad decision

Yes, it is.

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>>217186269
> subvert expectations
well not in a good way it did. won’t it have been better if say we had a big bad who wasn’t just a palpatine knock off in snoke who was hands on and just completely decimated our heroes in the first film. like have ben solo be brainwashed by snoke and have false memories of childhood for him like superman being darkseid’s son. like why did they gave to do a new hope remake that was poorer than the orginal

>>217177944
I am more confused and Luke holding a lightsaber triumphally. I am pretty sure never used it in combat in that movie.

>>217172223
Feminism is not just about giving women stuff, its also about making sure men dont have anything.

>>217186353
>ben solo brainwashed
Why? Kylo Ren's arc in the first two movies because he is an inversion of Vader- he starts the trilogy doubting himself and his evil path but by the end of the Last Jedi he is evil not because he feels compelled to do so, but because it is who HE chooses to be.

That's before the Rise of Skywalker ruined everything because Abrams and SW fanboys minds are governed by cliches and they shat their pants because TLJ didn't leave an evil pedo in a robe to overthrow and a brooding henchman to redeem

>>217186778
> Kylo Ren's arc in the first two movies because he is an inversion of Vader
here’s the problem, HE’S TRYING TO BE A GUY WHO TURNED ON THE SITH
Vader’s redemption is what makes ben’s story make zero sense. he was in a loving family and friends. zero reason to turn to the dark. he’s not an emotion less monk raised in a weird cult like anakin who than has all those emotions rush back inti him when he finds padme as his surrogate replacement mom. it makes NO sense. only brainwashing would.

>>217186892
Why do rich white kids pick up guns and shoot up their schools? Deep rooted insecurity and inferiority complexes

>Reee that's bad writing because it's not epic
Grow up capeshitter

>>217186911
> Why do rich white kids pick up guns and shoot up their schools? Deep rooted insecurity and inferiority complexes
wow so glad they fleshed out his time as a jedi and those insecurities and inferiority complex….. oh wait they didn’t

cause it makes no sense. only way it does if han, leia and luke are horrible people and horrible guardians, which is the opposite of the OG

>>217186946
The problem is that you've been engaging with EU content and wookieepedia shit and it's completely destroyed your ability to make inferences. The films were NEVER going to be able to satisfactorily explain the entire 35 year gap between RotJ and TFA to the wikifag. everything you NEED is in the movies if you pay attention and you're not just crying because your feelings are hurt that the OT heroes suffered adversity in middle age

>han, leia and luke are horrible people and horrible guardians, which is the opposite of the OG
Plenty of good people don't end up being the best parents. Leia was busy building the New Republic, Han was never a very emotional sentimental guy even at his best, and they sent Ben away to Luke to be trained and that only contributed to Ben's abandonment

>>217172223
Its a cesspit of nepotism and a bunch of narcissists who can't be authentic, put passion, effort, creativity and their best effort into something lest their inadequacies be revealed so they subvert your expectations as a preemptive defence against any criticism.

>>217187098
>The last Jedi isn't authentic or passionate because Luke didn't do videogame flips and be epic

>>217187021
> The films were NEVER going to be able to satisfactorily explain the entire 35 year gap between RotJ and TFA to the wikifag.
because they never even tried? where snoke come from? somewhere. why luke disappear? wanted to die. why ben turned? reasons. why the force ghost anakin doesn’t stop ben despite being show to do this before? he was busy with ahsoka. where the first order get this huge army and star killer base? story for another time. what happened to the new republic? it all blow up one blast and dead

its all so stupid.

> everything you NEED is in the movies if you pay attention and you're not just crying because your feelings are hurt that the OT heroes suffered adversity in middle age
no, there was numerous things never explained in the films and retconned numerous times, from rey parents, to ben’s motivations, snoke and tons of other stupid shit. like you got ben waking up after the lightsaber exploded and decided to go evil again because the evils i guess, despite killing snoke

>>217187132
you are aware luke blew up the death star and an at-at?

>>217187148
You're just a double digit IQ lore autist who is incapable of understanding real human emotions. So sorry

>>217187174
>real human emotion
CHILD RAISED IN LOVING ENVIRONMENTS DON’T END UP BEING MASS MURDERING PSYCHOPATH

>>217187223
Do you think the Columbine kids just had cartoonishly evil parents who beat them?

>>217186052
>the dark era is over...
>except no lmao we need to make more movies to push our feminist bullshit and kill off all your favorite heroes whcih are also total fucking wrecks
Disneyniggers can tongue a Bantha's anus

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>>217187272
no, but they were raised in an environment where they were bullied. ben never grew up in that kind of environment. his uncle would never let that happen. so your actually retard bro. you are trying to rationalize an irrational trilogy

>>217187346
You're just a capeshitter who can't emotionally handle that the OT heroes weren't perfect parents lmao, because you think that Han Solo being good at shooting things means he would be a great dad lmao

>>217174325
I do.

>>217187272
The Columbine retards were brainwashed by the internet and their parents didn't give two shits about them. They had a fucking website talking about how they were going to shoot up a school, made Doom maps replicating the school layout, had videos making pipe bombs and yet nobody close realized there was something wrong?
Meanwhile Ben was literally born into royalty in a galaxy where the internet doesn't exist in the same way and would not be like the fucking Columbine kids. Retard
>>217187385
More like Ben turning to the dark and murdering Han is so fucking unsatisfying and a shit narrative. The importance is not muh reelism even, it's how good and interesting a story it is. Ben turning Dark for no reason is not interesting.

>>217187385
>perfect parents
there is a difference between “perfect parents” and criminal neglect, which is what i would pin them both down. not telling ben solo about vader till he was 23 years old makes non sense and breaks canon. han solo deciding to be a smuggler again makes no sense. he has more money than god and by end of jedi he was a general in the rebellion, pretty sure he would fight the first order till he dies in combat. you took all the character development and took them back to even shitter versions of themselves at new hope

>>217187423
Ben Solo felt like he was a fuck up who didn't live up to the legacy of his famous family and he had an evil pedo in a robe whispering thru his ear from afar that if he turned bad he could be epic like Vader instead. This makes sense unless you are a man baby who refuses to accept that his childhood heroes could be absentee parents

>What's interesting is what's epic and makes me feel good about myself
Grow up

>>217172059
Best moment in all starwars saga

>>217187509
> an evil pedo in a robe whispering thru his ear from afar
that is lore breaking. he’s more power than palpatine and can control people from across the universe, but at same time he was created by palpatine and can die like a bitch

>>217187509
>Ben Solo felt like he was a fuck up who didn't live up to the legacy of his famous family
He was barely in Luke's Jedi Order, the fuck are you on about? It's never said in the films he was a fuck up
>he had an evil pedo in a robe whispering thru his ear from afar that if he turned bad he could be epic like Vader instead
And he never told Luke for some fucking reason
And Luke felt it and decided to fucking kill Ben for some reason
None of it makes basic sense and you Disneyjeets are the biggest retards on the planet
>his childhood heroes could be absentee parents
Why would Leia, who'd have trauma over losing her parents, be fucking absentee
And why would Luke who turned Vader to the light over familial ties ignore Ben
None of this fits any of the OT characters, it's a complete character rewrite
>What's interesting is what's epic and makes me feel good about myself
No, what's interesting is a good fucking narrative that's logical and has conflict born out of actual plot points explained in the films and can be solved reasonably. The ST's conflict is literally "Leia and Han go back to their early OT selves except even more arrogant for no fucking reason but we needed them to redo ANH again, they ignore Ben and so does Luke for no reason, also Palpatine is alive again for some reason and he controls Ben but Ben never tells Luke but Luke is a psycho so he tries murdering Ben and shit falls apart cause everyone is so fucking braindead"

>>217187567
>palpatine and can control people from across the universe,
He wasn't "controlling" him, just telling him things in his ear. The choice was still Ben's

>but at same time he was created by palpatine and can die like a bitch
I literally do not care what Rise of Skywalker says, that was a different movie made by different people that's a fucking mess because it was trying to appeal to schizo retards like you who don't even know what they want

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>>217187625
>his choice was his
no it wasn’t, he wasn’t told anything about the jedi, palpatine or vader. read the canon materials. they choose not to tell him about vader’s redemption and anakin decided not to either because force ghosts just don’t give a fuck.

> I literally do not care what Rise of Skywalker says
cope

>>217187699
See, the difference between us is that I treat Star Wars as a series of movies about ideas, images, and themes, you think the Star Wars movies are documentaries about a real universe. You are either a child who has never known media before marvelfication or a man child who retreated into fiction because he couldn't get his dick wet

>>217187747
>it’s actually completely illogical for ben not to know the history when luke knew about the clone wars and jedi, but im gonna call you a man child who just wants marvelized characters
you are just making excuses for shitty terrible garbage writing
>star wars is about ideas
its about family. it’s generational. prequels = anakin, og = luke, sequels = rey solo (which is what she was supposed to be)
you have no idea what star wars is

>>217187847
Okay zoomie, I liked Star wars before your dad even squirted you out

>>217187847
Nah Rey originally was actually meant to be a Kenobi, then Ryan changed her to a nobody then JJ changed her to a Palpatine.
Remember that Disney directors hate the Skywalkers. They would have never made Rey related to them normally without stealing their name like she does at the end

>>217187164
With a lightsaber?

>>217187877
>i am a true fan
>i don’t understand the basic generations story of it
i had the OG memorized line for line before i saw Episode I in theaters. i even remember the special editions in theaters.

>>217174442
>he didn't have a dead career, he was the v-voice actor for le jokah baby
Fucking shit for brains missing the point as usual. Those kind of third rate jobs are fine for a normal actor, but for one that was the MC of one of the most successful franchises of all times, they're ridiculous.
Imagine if Tom Cruise had only done Top Gun, had massive success, become world famous... and then only did cameos in a handful of tv shows and voiced the Penguin in Batman cartoons for 30 years.
His career was DEAD after SW.

>>217172186
how has no one pointed out he completely misses the bottle? with their endless billions of dollars, they couldn't have done a second take? also, you don't milk by pushing the udders, you pull and squeeze.

>>217185611
Ford had a shitload of successful movies (and even franchises, like Indiana Jones).
Hamill was giving bjs for fourth rate roles in shows and movies nobody even remembers.

>>217186052
>Leia and Han's son is named Ben
TFA is such an incompetent shitshow

>>217188088
TFA was the worst star wars film. it set the stage for the disaster

>>217188084
>Hamill was giving bjs for fourth rate roles in shows and movies nobody even remembers.
his voice acting as joker and ozai will be remembered more than his career as luke skywalker

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>>217188405
For me it's the Cock Knocker

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its so stupid

>>217175872
I think rogue one just has that problem where it doesn't really get better on rewatches. But its got Forest Whitaker, and you know what? I think thats enough.

>>217172470
>Too old and too poor to fight the woke
He's woke personified, faggot.

>>217179206
The manchildren loved it. We normal people just never watched another Star Wars related thing after that movie ended.

>>217173845
>dude could've done voice work, games
How can you be on the internet and not know Mark Hamill has had an extensive voice acting career and voiced the Joker for like 25 years.

>>217175908
I didn't mind his arc in the movie, the problem is having him die of a random heart attack at the very end

>>217188716
I hated Rogue One at release, Andor has improved it remarkably. It still has severe pacing issues and a messy edit clearly stitched together from two completely separate movies but I at least care about the characters and the movie has emotional stakes beyond its relation to the original movie, so I can enjoy the cinematography and action scenes

>>217172752
>writing and directing a successful trilogy of original murder mysteries
arent they bad at being murder mysteries? I heard they dont even give the viewer anything to work off of
in fact i heard they denigrate muder mystery fans
>because subversion and meta commentary
you know, something the gay sherlock show did

>>217189837
All 3 movies were critically acclaimed and Knives Out was an original IP that made so much money Netflix threw $300 million at Rian and his producer partner to keep making them. Art is subjective of course but I think if your movie was acclaimed by critics and people paid money to see it with no attachment to existing brand the movie was pretty well liked

>>217189802
> I hated Rogue One at release
i mean yea, it had lore breaking shit, but Rouge one and Solo films were actually star wars films in the sense it its based on ww ii, western and samurai films. i mean director Krennic feels like a actual villain, not that garbage we got in the sequels. so i give them credit on that end, but yea still alot of lore breaking shit

>>217190203
>Lore breaking shit
I do not care. Every star wars movie has "broken lore"

>>217190286
nope, first six films are consistent, even the ewoks movie built up the lore around why the ewoks had all those defensive systems up because they were fighting those larger aliens on the planet

Instead of making The Empire 2.0 they should’ve had a terrorist cell carrying out attacks on the Republic. Give it some intrigue, with possible insider agents within the Senate. But that would require too much effort when they can replay ANH.

>>217190441
> insider agents
i pushed for the idea finn was a double agent for the first order
and maybe have first order working with Hutt criminal syndicate
but that would be something new and risky. they like safe and rememberberries

>>217190335
Anakin and Vader being the same person was a retcon. Making Anakin Space Jesus Vader. leia remembers her mom who died in childbirth. Fuck off

>>217190977
>leia remembers her mom who died in childbirth
I caught that scene a week or so ago when I re-watched Return of the Jedi, it was 100% cringe.

so incorrect, it deserves "Special Edition" re-editing of the scene. Leia could say "I never knew my birth mother, but they showed me a video once..."

they re-edited the Emperor talking to Vader about "The son of Skywalker", they needed to fix that other scene, too

and let's not forget the most important retcon scene where Luke himself basically yells at Obi-Wan "You told me Vader killed my father!" whoops! the character in the movie said "WTF! breaking the lore?!!"

>>217176152
andor is pretty removed from the sequels imo
the others are mostly removed although you'll get shit like trying to retroactively justify some of the dumb plot points like turning ilum into the nu-deathstar or palps revival shenanigans

>>217190977
>MUH RETCONS
>despite it being heavily hinted at in the film prior

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>>217187909
>Nah Rey originally was actually meant to be a Solo
FTFY

Just take the AI pill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGJC4Hnz3m0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86WZyh5SG7w

*ahem* FUCK Star Wars

>>217172059
It was a replica, they sell them at Nar-Shaddaa for a few credits and a song. He recognized the counterfeit immediately.

>>217172540
He developed force-pasteurization in the years since.

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>>217191179
>Leia could say "I never knew my birth mother, but they showed me a video once..."
Funny thing with that. The original version of RotS had Padme live, with Anakin's goal being to have more power. But when editing the movie, Lucas realized that this wouldn't work for Anakin's character so he reshot and filmed new scenes to make Padme the reason he goes dark. Killing her off to make his story much more tragic.

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>>217191765
Anakin saying
>I should've know the Jedi were planning to take over
>from my point of view, the Jedi are evil
were leftovers from the original cut. In that scene with Palpatine, he would've witnessed the Jedi coming to arrest the former, convincing him that the Jedi WERE plotting to take over. This was also the same cut that had Anakin thinking Padme was having an affair with Obi-Wan, with certain bits from it also getting left in. The second vision was added in the 2nd cut, with the original scene involving Anakin using that PSP looking thing to check the house footage. There, he would see Obi-Wan visiting Padme and thinking the worst.

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>>217191580
>mace with a broccoli cut

>>217177652
you know, maybe executive meddling is a good thing

>>217191580
based

>>217191580
AI will forever suck until it can get continuity down. The Beggar's Canyon one had some great shots but when Luke is in the cave and constantly flipping between being sweaty and dirty to dry and clean, it just ruins the immersion.

>>217172186
LOL

>>217178176
rey was so cute for half of teh first movie

>>217191179
>so incorrect, it deserves "Special Edition" re-editing of the scene. Leia could say "I never knew my birth mother, but they showed me a video once..."
The special editions are satanic. Every change made is bad. Any NPC who defends the special editions doesn't get to dictate who "understands" Star Wars. Kys

>>217178241
JJ and nuwriters are normalfags. They don't see Chewbacca as a character, to them only humans who look like humans can be characters. Same reason they make Kylo take off his mask, because they can't understand someone if they can't see their face. Hell if they were smart about it they could have had Kylo's first time taking the mask off be when he's with Han so it has a bit of emotional weight, instead he takes it off when talking to Rey.

>>217173250
>the idea that Luke tried to kill Kylo to stop another Vader
Which is stupid since Luke redeemed Vader, a hardened Sith warrior who killed countless people by the end of his life. He shouldn't have been concerned about his nephew, a mere teenager, having a bad dream.

>>217173320
Rian, you dedicated half of the movie to a cute Asian actress you had a crush on hoping she would fuck you if you shoehorned her in to your storyline and gave her a job.

She still didn't want to fuck you, did she? I bet it made your bitchy white wife really mad too and she's still making your life hell over it.

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>>217193042
>Hell if they were smart about it they could have had Kylo's first time taking the mask off be when he's with Han so it has a bit of emotional weight, instead he takes it off when talking to Rey.
In the original cut you see his face in the first Snoke meeting (with the bad ADR of Snoke explaining to the audience that Kylo's father is HAN SOLO) , and they realized how retarded that is so CGId a mask on him.

>>217172540
Mark Hamil looked so beautiful here. Anybody got that gif where he's crossing his legs super fast and Carrie tries but fails to do the same?

>>217172470
What the FUCK are you babbling about?

>>217184984
i miss rAI posting

>>217188642
>achieved nothing
>dies
HAHA SUBVERTED

>>217193139
>anon is upset about things he imagined