What an absurd premise, haha
>>217206027I am 2 days left from completing the 40 days 40 nights challenge from that other movie you keep repostingMy balls legit hurt
>>217206027Believe it or not but 40 years old virgins are absolutely an extreme outlier even today. Incel fad only really affects younger Zoomers and Alpha kids.
>>217206027Thought I'd be like that until I got my first gf at 25, had sex and all the anxiety disappeared. She turned out to be fuckin' insane and evil but that's a different issue.It's amazing how just removing that stigma of "I've never had sex" can change your mindset, provided the sex wasn't from a prostitute, which basically doesn't even count.
>>217206225Same, even down to 25 as my lucky year.We now know there are (a few) women in this world that want to date us causing a complete paradigm shift in our confidence even if we're actually still the same spergs. Incels never had that reassurance and (wrongfully) believe nobody will ever love them and that finding love is impossible. Thats why all virgins itt should double their efforts to get laid ASAP... sex will never fix your shitty life but it will fix your shitty attitude, and thats the most important part.
>>217206183An extreme outlier 90% of which uses 4chan.
I am 31 years old and I never even kissed a girl
>>217206027Yes. I lost by virginity at 25 after being a NEET shut-in highschool drop out bearing my dick raw to anime every day for 7 years.
>>217206027This is actually an unrealistic portrayal of virgins. This guy seemed friendly, had hobbies, worked a job and was living by himself. Many people at his job worked with him and liked him. Do they think he's a virgin because he's a dork? He actually came close to losing his virginity multiple times so there was literally nothing wrong with him.
>>217206757Welcome to the club. It doesn't get any better.
>>217206636You're absolutely rightI still have almost all the same problems I had before having sex, but having had regualr sex, especially with girlfriends that continually want to be with me, has given me a sense of confidence that makes it easier to achieve those other goals i value (e.g., with my career).Just knowng "yeah man don't worry about attracting bitches, you know you already got a good woman" makes a fucking MASSIVE different on how you handle social situations. Before I'd be obsessed with trying to pander and appeal to girls but now I really don't give a fuck and just focus on the best and smartest ways to do something and achieve my goals divorced from any sexual element because my gf satisfies that alreadyRemoving that deep, creeping, nasty anxiety of "no woman wants to have sex with me" really makes a massive difference with menDifferent witn women, they have differtnet concerns, but for us men, yeah thats fucking it, whether theyre fucking honest enough to admit it
>>21720665936 here. What do I win?>>217206757Being an uneducated loser has nothing to do with it believe it or not. You have two problems. t.finishing a doctorate
>>217206863>Many people at his job worked with him and liked himNot really, they seemed quite reluctant inviting him to poker night and only did so because they were one guy short>seemed friendly, had hobbies, worked a job and was living by himselfAside for living by himself which can nowadays admittedly be quite hard with the cost of housing the rest is pretty normal for virgins too. I was all that as a virgin. You think only barely functional sperms can be virgins? Are you a virgin?
>>217207000Is your gf conventionally attractive. I legitimately don't think it counts if you only get a 5.>>217207017He had a gigantic house with all the latest tech and he didn't have to raise kids or get a career that he doesn't like or that stresses. The guy actually had it made. Although he would have lost it one the recession and be needles every day for being unsuccessful compared to his new hagmaxxed gf.
>>217207076>Is your gf conventionally attractive. I legitimately don't think it counts if you only get a 5.Yes, my gf is very attractive in a conventional sense, she is vastly out of my league in that way.But let that be a fucking lesson to you lads: looks ain't everything. Fucking trust me, you can win a gorgeous woman by being FUNNY and a good LISTENER and AMBITIOUS. But yeah I really can't emphasise enough how important it is to be funny. Women fuking love that shit and it will elevate you several levels above what you are.
>>217207180you can be the funniest most ambitious good listener on the planet, but if you're also a 5'3 balding indian turbomanlet girls won't magically be attracted to you
>>217207017>the rest is pretty normal for virgins too. I was all that as a virgin. I'm saying that most people say that people are virgins because they don't do all of those things.
I saw this in the theater with my bros as a 20 something year old virgin shit was uncomfortable but it never came up. They all assumed I was getting laid in college
>>217206657prove it
32 years old. Being a short, ugly sperg is the worst. When I was younger it always sucked when girls would talk with a friend I was with while completely ignoring me. Technically didn't get better as I got older, I just have less friends to experience this with now.
>>217206027I never even fell in love
>>217207288That's true, you're fucked in that senseI am 5'9 and in very early stages of frontal badling but I'm white, got good skin, blue eyes, not fat, and have a decent personality so in that sense it enables me to put to full effect my "personality", such as it is, which seems to pull some of the slack that my lack of muscles does.I don't know man, the moment anyone on this godforsaken site gives real advice to genuinely try to help otjer robots, people pick it apart, but mate, we were just like you at one point, we're trying to fuking help
>>217207076>I legitimately don't think it counts if you only get a 5What is the source grapes incel logic. You think you are still a virgin if you only fuck/date ugly women?
>>217207313I'm glad that literally no one around me talks about it, even though pretty much everyone knows I was never in any kind of relationship. Even my parents stopped asking long ago.It only comes up like once or twice per year mostly when I'm around drunk people, I just reply with some form of "yeah still nothing it is what it is h-haha" and they also stop asking altogether.
>tfw 27 yo kissless virginhad an asexual gf last year but it didn't work out, gonna be doing a new photoshoot when some stuff from temu arrives for my facebook dating profile, this will be my yearthanks for reading my blog post
We're going to have a lot of incels here, but just have sex with a prostitute, just get it out the way, nobody cares, and you're probably going to get atomized tomorrow
>>217207705>but just have sex with a prostitute, just get it out the wayDon't do this, it's better to remain dry, your mind will hate you later on. Unless you keep fucking whores.
>>217207705If prostitutes are my only option I'd honestly rather die a virgin
>>217207705My social phobia and OCD are so high I'm scared of prostitutes.
>>217206027>Had sex three times in my 20s>Never really enjoyed the pursuit or the payoff all that particular much>Sat out my 30s>Hit my 40s, and now everyone just assumes I’m closeted gay, and stopped asking about itIt’s actually kind of a freeing feeling. If family history’s any indicator, I’m probably not making it past my 70s anyway, so it won’t be a scenario where I’m an invalid 93-year-old who lives alone, and is one bad slip away from breaking a bone, and dying in slow and lonely agony.
>>217207705The one time I tried to hire an escort online, my dumb ass got ripped off, so I haven’t attempted it again. The risk of arrest/murder/robbery/disease keeps me from ever even considering a street walker.
I'm the second oldest of my generation in the family and the only one without a partner. I have a single cousin who is only 13, born much later than the rest, and I get insecure wondering if even she's had sex already.
>>217206225>sex wasn't from a prostitute, which basically doesn't even count.So am I or am I not a wizard now at 30?
>>217206225>provided the sex wasn't from a prostitute, which basically doesn't even count.What's wrong with using prostitutes?
I lost my virginity to a 50 year old woman's anus when I was 28
>>217207724I lost it to a prostitute and don't regret it, she was pretty nice and let me coom in her mouth.
Just join grindr, you'll get gaped in no time
>>217209149reddit ahh post
>>217206183It only affects ethnics and manlets
>>217206027Now that I'm a 40 year old boomer, I feel like it's gotta be actually difficult to go this long without getting laid if you've tried literally at all.
>>217209738>if you've tried literally at all.They don't want to try, they want it handed to them. I always feel like such a chad when i come onto this site
>>217209738>>217209803what counts as trying?
>>217208438Based.
>>217209826Going to a party and socializing. Doing anything socially. I've had a bunch of fucks and gfs my entire life and I'm pretty sure I've never gone on a formal date to try and meet someone. This is before all the Internet shit. You can just talk to people and you can get laid.
>>217209930I went to countless parties and socialized, talked there with both friends and strangers.Never even kissed, let alone got laid
I haven't had sex in over a year...
>>217210039damn, that's crazy
I haven't had sex in 5 days and won't have any until Saturday
>>217208384You can't suffer in America.
>>217206027I'll have you know that sometimes reality surpasses fiction, there's probably one 40yo virgin somewhere out there, haha.
>>217209930There is absolutely no way it can be that much better than jerking off to be worth doing all that shit, sorry.
>>217209738Getting laid is super easy, there's so many guys these days that are virgins for just about countless amount of reasons is bonkers, I would say anecdotally that over 75% of guys ages 18-30 are virgins. Working multiple jobs, video games, other hobbies that are just about anything than playing the game that was force feed to them via social media from primary school. But forming a bond with someone to a degree where you feel like you "deserve" to get laid and it's a mutual "reward" is another thing entirely. I remember I was like 19 and my dad barged into my room drunk as a skunk, crying, begging me to come with him to sauna house so I could get laid with some sexy prostitute from Spain, I just remember thinking I would never debase myself to something like this, and also that would not change fucking anything at all.
>>217206027My take:You did lose virginity with a hooker I don't gaf about "spiritual virginity" funny how everyones inner Christian comes out when it comes to sex. However, you will not be able to admit that to people and will have to live a lie and pretend you had a GF like 8 years ago and even in your lie you are a loser because you are just using your experience to pretend like you had sex.If you are like 45+ virgin you should always lie about having sex and probably should get a hooker then lie about having a GF at say 39 and went on a dry spell after covid. Because people will be legit scared of you if you at 45+ virgin like you can't have friends or jobs.I realize its like 165% better to have love sex than masturbate but just having casual sex its maybe 20% better so it might not be really worth seeing a hooker. If you are 41 you should though because again you could possibly lie and pretend you had a gf at 34 and dry spell and stuff.
>>217206225>>217206636>>217206757That's hurt me as 26 y.o kissless virgin. Well, in the next year i can join another club, if i really would like too..
>>217206183Yep. I'm 35 and although I'm not married I have no problem getting laid. younger guys donr know how to talk to women because they were raised by single mothers
>>217207330hi
>>217209738I don't know, I've had sex with 5 girls only at 37 yo but somehow it always feels like a miracle.
Women are retarded and I would never want one around my kids.It's illegal to find one you could make non-retarded.They can keep working at walmart and coming home to beatings from Tyrone; I'll happily jerk my 9 inches to AI chat while humanity loses the ability to read or understand spoken language.
>>217207705I genuinely do not get the appeal of prostitutes. You have to use a condom so you basically feel nothing. You can still get STDs even with a condom. You know some guy probably coomed on/in her that very same day. You know she isn't actually attracted to you. It ultimately does not solve the problem most incels have which is that women don't want to have sex with them (or at least it seems that way). Plus most whores aren't even particularly attractive. Last but not least, it's also expensive. Where I live it's like 200 bucks for an hour. I would feel depressed after spending that much money on what seems like a miserable experience.
>>217210549Guess I'm a resistant then.
I'm a 28 virgin. Surely in the next 12 years it's going to happen.
>>217210992First brain doesn't care about this.
>>217206058When I tried this I just jizzed in my sleep and i don’t like it.
>>217207705Never do this. It’s illegal, it’s immoral, it’s unsafe, it’s embarrassing. Just lift weights and go do stuff. You can get better at talking to people. You can find a woman.
>>217209930>This is before all the Internet shitthat’s a pretty important detail. That world doesn’t exist anymore. I got tons of women in that era.
Turning 37 this year. Considering the fact that the idea of fucking a hooker disgusts me, I haven't made a move on a girl in a decade and I'm more antisocial by the year, that will be me soon.
>>217207705oh look another dead eyed jewstitute with ass implants.
>>217206058yeah ball ache is worst
>>217210671Anon, I lost mine at 26 like 2 months ago... There's still hope believe it or not
>>217210549getting laid is pointless, months or weeks of effort just to coom. not to mention the loss of money
>>217207724Disagree, I fucked a prostitute a few times until I was ok at sex and that gave me the confidence to get a normal girl a year later. I only wish I did it sooner
>>217211013thanks for pointing out coom brain doesn't think
>>217211474fucks a whore, thinks he learnt sex having..... sigh
>>217211433how did you finally manage get in a position to lose it?
>>217211474>very valuable life lesson>boosts men's confidence>pleasurableSo that's why women want to keep it banned
>>217211117>illegalDepends where you are>immoralBy religious and feminist standards>unsafeDepends how you do it>embarrassingPropaganda to make you feel shame
>>217211894>boosts men's confidenceDepends on the individual, others can feel even worse after a prostitute than as a virgin
>>217211178It doesn't but it's only means you have more of an advantage if you can talk to people in real life. Women don't wanna find people online.
>>217210329You can't have a meaningful relationship with anyone by sitting at home jerking off but keep telling yourself your better off that way while being lonely as fuck. Going out for an hour or two is nothing compared to how long we live. You won't even remember doing it but you will remember all the times you didn't while you die alone, sexless, and miserable.
Genuine question. Why is sex that important? There must be more to life than just fucking all the time....right?
>>217210806But this proves my point.
>>217211953it's not dependant on anything, it's delusional at best, pay whore for hole access, if you get confidence from that, you're nuts
>>217212083>You won't even remember doing it but you will remember all the times you didn't while you die alone, sexless, and miserable.So be it then.
>>217211178It doesn't matter. I'm older than him, 42, and I've never been able to get a date. People are desperate to come up with excuses and point fingers so they don't have to take responsibility for their own lives. Smart phones, the internet, none of this crap matters. It's not technology, it's not fluoride in the water, it's not microplastics.
>>217212083both are miserable scenarios. cooming is only good for procreation and you can't make bitches keep children alive.so who cares?
>>217212101Some of the 'more to life' is actually having sex with someone you care about. You're just coping by saying more to life then having sex all the time. Because there isn't more to life in having a career and buying garbage and leveling up your house.
>>217212137I can maybe see it from the perspective of some extremely self-conscious 18 year old virgin who is specifically afraid of the physical act itself, but yeah any actual adult virgin can only become even more pathetic after a prostitute
>>217212196more to life is cooming with same bitch. k
>>217206027Oh look another incel thread where incels 100% believe that a man putting his little meat popsicle in some woman's wet hole is the greatest accomplishment a he can ever attain.LMAO
>>217212224that isn't confidence, that's demystified vagina, it's just a hole that's useful for making children, that's it
>>217206225>Prostitutes don't count My body count got rugpulled. I'm back to being a wizard again!!
>>2172060272 more years. Sex drive died 5 years ago so it does not even bother me anymore. >>217212101Biologically speaking for humans it is after food, water and shelter. Being 40 years old virgin creeps the "normal" people they do not know what to expect, someone who has given up on basic instinct can't be trusted. Most people cheated while in relationship at least once they can't trust you if you don't think with your dick.
>>217212150No one cares.
>>217212247This entire thread is exactly the opposite of that. Obviously just inserting your penis into a vagina alone doesn't change anything, otherwise prostitutes would magically solve adult virgin problems, which they clearly don't.
I'm married for 10 years, had like 5 real girlfriends prior and hooked up with 15 other girls, and fucked like 5 prostitutes. I lost my virginity at 21. I still feel like an incel all because I never got to fuck and marry my oneitis from 11th grade. Bitch literally ruined my entire life, I still think about her 20 years later all the time.
>>217212309Ok.
>had a girlfriend ins HS>broke up because she turned out to be insane>didn't have sex just kissed>didn't date since>don't want to really date>in my 30sI just dont care desu
>>217212300cucked coomer, lol every girl cheats, therefore just accept it and be grateful for a moment or two in her cheating hole.
>>217212181>42brvtal
>>217212317exactly. whores have existed for all time but never fix anything. precisely the point
>>217212333imagine she got gangraped by niggers and didn't mind it much, if you don't forget her after that, you never will. she's gone and you don't possess her, it just is
>>217212191Like I told the other loser. No one cares if you opt out. You can do all the mental gymnastics in your virgin mind but no one will think about you while you rot alone and die on the pathetic hill of 'sex is stupid' when in reality it's cope for your own failures. The guys out there killing it don't think about you, they're happy you're are at home. This isn't the noble stand you think it is.
>>217207180>Be le clownYou are fat and uneducated >>217207569t.bangs 4/10's>>217207624>AsexualNobody tell him>>217207705>Stone face and sultry face within two secondsHoly blackpill.
>>217206027I lasted until 30 and then just went into an asian massage parlor
>>217212421killing it.... lol dumb nigger slang.you can fuck thousands of whores and still nobody will care, the only product worth anything from fucking, is procreation. can't make them keep kids alive. so yet again no one cares
>>217212421>BRO U GON MISS OUT ON DUH PUSSAY BRO DUH FOCKIN PUSSY BROMillennials are so fucking gay
>>217212191>cooming is only good for procreationThen why are you jerking off at home every day
>>217212464They have sex there? I just went online
>>217212512boredom? or I don't
>>217212512unc bodied
>>217207938Really weird obsessing over your 13 year old cousins sex life.
>>217212489So why are you in this thread trying to discourage people from finding people and getting out of their rooms?>>217212507Hey virgin fag you clearly missed the point.
>>217212527Ok you're a retard then. Got it. Keep coping.
>>217212317>>217212375>>217206225Genuinely curious what mental gymnastics you guys do to believe this to be true. What separates a whore that is honest about selling her pussy and a woman that pretends she isn't? Whenever a woman is dealing with a man, whether she's on a date, buying a house, or making some life decision, she's bartering her pussy and using it as a power piece to get what she wants, whether that's money, validation, or some other kind of payment/contribution to her.
>>217212567>BRO U VIRGIN BRO IZ BE NOT CARING IF YOU FUCK DUH PUSSY OR NOTGo to r9k dude nobody really cares
>>217212567vague assumptions aren't an argument.
>>217212642Everybody giving me YOUs cares also fags like you getting triggered you'll die a virgin loser coping and trying to insult people telling you about. Couldn't care less about your pathetic life nor what you say to me. End of the day you'll be working for guys like me licking the boot.
>>217208438Greentext anon
>>217212610pointless reply, learn to argue better
>10 years 8 months to gohaha…
>>217212674I'm not arguing anything if you wanna be alone and cope go do it. Just don't act like it's because you're on a crusade or something.
>Everybody giving me YOUs cares also fags like you getting triggered you'll die a virgin loser coping and trying to insult people telling you about. Couldn't care less about your pathetic life nor what you say to me. End of the day you'll be working for guys like me licking the boot.Andrew Tate really did spawn the dumbest niggers on the internet
>>217212624one gives her plausible deniability of being a traditional wife instead of a whore. possibly even being in love. instead of being a talking fleshlight with stds
>>217212701See>>217212727
>>217212624What separates is the fact even on a whatever one night stand there is mutual attraction between two people. And yes other girls aren't perfect clean princesses but you can at least kiss them, while a prostitute is literally gargling the cum of other various men minutes before she meets you. Basically a prostitute is just paying for condomed masturbation by proxy and that's it.
>>217212727if you don't care, then why would you reply with gutter iq wannabe psyop posts about redundant cooming gud?
>>217212687>Talking about licking guysGay
>>217212687Ok lil bro go back to your mixtape pandhandling. The grownups are talking.
>>217212762replying to yourself is worse than gay
>>217212687"Couldn't care less" he says as he continues to wait 60 seconds again, solves the Captcha yet again and finally types a yet another overemotional superiority complex post in a 4chan virgin thread
>>217206027i will never have sex, i will die a kissless friendless virgin loner fuck up
>>217212790exactly why whores should not illicit any form of confidence. they're fleshlights
>>217212790>>217212756You can't prove the attraction is mutual. Also a woman can be attracted to you and still use her pussy to get what she wants from you. I bet you think women never fake orgasms either lmao.
>>217212346It's weird because I can never decide if asexuality should be normalised.On the one hand, it has clearly affected a significant proportion of society despite only recently becoming even somewhat recognised. This sex-based society that shames people for not having sex while constantly trying to sell them sex makes someone on the ace spectrum incredibly insecure and confused, often leading them to pushing themselves into acts they're uncomfortable with just because they think that's what you're supposed to do.On the other hand, something about reproduction and not demonising sex.>tldr; there's nothing wrong with you, you do you man
>>217212880And there is also a chance that the attraction is very mutual to the point that the girl wants to also have sex in the morning, cook for you and kiss you every day as much as possible. No such things with prostitutes.
>>217212790>>217212874Unless you married your high school sweetheart and you're the only one she's ever fucked there's a high chance any mildly attractive girl you meet is going to have a decent body count (which she'll never admit to) and you're probably not even going to be best they've ever had, but she might lie and tell you otherwise though and most guys will want to believe it.
>>217212999That's because you have something she wants. All relationships are transactional anon. If you believe otherwise then you're an idiot.
>>217213024Meanwhile a prostitute plows through that same "decent body count" in 2 days instead of 20 years. To equate the two is just laughable lol
>>217208114What country are you from and please recount the experience of losing it to a prostitute
>>217213077You go ahead and pay a prostitute to let you kiss her then, it's all just transactional am i rite
>>217208438That's beautiful
>>217212440>AsexualI literally also had zero idea how to initiate anything, like im terrified of being perceived as creepy or rapey so that may have been part of it, but i feel like my frontal lobe has developed more since then
>>217213095>>217213095Your future wife/gf/one-night-stand had some other man's cum all over her face, which you will likely be kissing, and he filled all her holes with his hot thick cum daily, which you will now put your dick into. But it's okay because she took a few showers since then right? Now this is the part when you tell me it's different when a prostitute does the same thing because it was more recent and with more men?
bros what went so wrong with us
>>217211750Well, the girl I was talking to invited me to her friend's house she was staying at. And things kinda happened (awkwardly). She just put on a movie, then we started kissing and stuff and yeah basically turned into us having s*x. It helps to be confident, even if you have to fake it. I reckon looks don't play as big of a part of it as you'd think. I actually met her online, and now we've been together 2 months. You got this, just don't get demoralized and keep moving forward in your own life. Rejection happens, don't let it hold you back, just move on
>>217213320>Now this is the part when you tell me it's different when a prostitute does the same thing because it was more recent and with more men?Yes, absolutely without question way different. Not to mention that the prostitute pretty much doesn't choose, 5 jeets can go to town on her all at once minutes before you come as long as they pay enough.And again, the prostitute won't also make you breakfast in the morning.
>>217213459>Not to mention that the prostitute pretty much doesn't choose, 5 jeets can go to town on her all at once minutesBecause all women have such great taste in men right? The guy that fucked your future gf before you could've been some ugly nigger and she might have rimmed his asshole. Give her a big kiss for me when you meet her okay? Remember to think about that when you do.>And again, the prostitute won't also make you breakfast in the morning.Yes she will if you want her to. Just give her a Benjamin. Also the best part is she will leave afterwards.
>>217213390Let's see, for me:-sub 5 facial structure-huge head-extreme framelet, an average skinny girl beat me arm wrestling in like the 6th grade while a bunch of people watched-got cystic acne in high school and it persisted throughout college because I refused to take accutane until I wisened up at 21-shy kid who turned into a shy adult-never had any direction/advice given to me by my brother or father-lifelong social anxiety-crippling fear of rejection and intimacy-only very unattractive/obese girls will message me back on dating apps-general lack of true interest in having sex, hard to imagine eating pussy not being disgustingUhhh yeah it never began for me
>>217213576And then you give her another benjamin to maybe be able to kiss her prostitute mouth, one benjamin per kiss.With a long term gf you can go with her to a clinic to get checked and after she comes out clean you then proceed to have raw sex with her every single day never touching a condom again. Tell me how many benjis you need to do that with a prostitute.
>>217213714Oops I forgot the maymay arrows
>>217206027Why didn't this nigger cast spells? There's your ending, he fucks a grandmother and can no longer seek counsel from daemons.
>>217213714literally me but I don't even have the courage to download dating apps
>>217206027I almost got there. Made it to 36, and shortly after my birthday a woman I met off the internet took me to a hotel room and rode me. After that, I went over to her apartment an hour away every weekend and we just fucked for 2 days straight. I really, really miss that. Haven't had anyone since.
>>217213741>a long term gf has no costslmao. Get back to me when you take her shopping or buy her a house, and again this is because you're also giving her something she wants whether that's a family, financial stability, etc.
>>217213974>a long term gf has no costsNowhere did I say that, I only pointed out that you have no option to go raw with a prostitute (if you're sane). And if you now proceed to pretend that fucking with a condom and without a condom is the same then you're just straight up coping beyond belief and you know it.
No one talks about the fact that you can regain your virginity stigma if you go too long without sex
>>217214089Even with a one-night stand from some Tinder slut you'd be an idiot to not wear a condom or use some home STD test kit.
>>217214335Sure, which is why I said long term gf.
>>217206027Level 6 wizard here. There used to be more wizards on 4chan. I assume zoomers have a much easier time getting a gf with dating apps and whatnot.
>>217214162Yeah I feel like a virgin again. I don’t want to fuck random girls though I want a wife
>>217214369Comparing a night of sex with a prostitute to a long-term relationship is encroaching off-topic territory anyway and seems like a goal-post shifting attempt. We're just talking about sex and the transactional nature of it. Nobody really pays a prostitute for the non-sexual related aspects of a long-term relationship like making fucking breakfast.
>>217212908>It's weird because I can never decide if asexuality should be normalised.It can't be normalised because it's not normal unless you have some sort of sexual trauma or malfunction.
I'm 32 and I have never even kissed a girl let alone had sex.It is gigaover for me.
>>217214429>I assume zoomers have a much easier time getting a gf with dating apps and whatnot
>>217214478Again, even a whatever one night stand is vastly better than a prostitute for me. But you do you.
>>217213390>bros what went so wrong with usMake a bunch of money and retire earlier than other people your age. It's the only cope you have now, apart from spiritual growth. Work on yourself spiritually, but definitely make money too. You do not want be a poorfag virgin at 50. You will probably become suicidal. Become a home owner and retire in comfort. That's your only cope now.
Is this the thread where fucking losers cry about not getting laid and even bigger fucking losers gloat about getting 6/10 pussy that one time? If I met any of you IRL you would not be able to maintain eye contact with me btw
>>217208384I like the girl that's so low effort she just wears her bathing suit >>217208384
>>217214649It's just social stigma. That's all it is.
>>217213390>aloof parents that weren't abusive but were too disconnected to care that you weren't hitting major life milestones >being a late bloomer in middle school or didn't get the puberty software update that made you obsessed with girls >conservative religious upbringing >too autistic for normalfags but not autistic enough to join the weird kids >feeling like an observer in your own life and not an active participant >had adult-like anxieties at a young age that were laughed off as you being an "old soul" >being the shy kid but on a level so severe that no authority figure in your life realized the extent of it The archetypal robot upbringing. t. 30 year old KHV
>>217214676You go to fringe cultures and get mad that they're misfits and fringe people. You are the normalizing feminine principle of modernity. The cultural middle curve enforcer.
>>217214582Foreveralone.>>217214605What am I missing? It's hard to tell with zoomers when normalfag zoomers use the exact same language as outcast zoomers. You guys have a monoculture meaning you should have common ground with everybody.
>>217214676>If I met any of you IRL you would not be able to maintain eye contact with me btwBecause you're ugly?
>>217214429zoom hereit's even worse for us
>>217214740I gave kids like you swirlies and atomic wedgies in highschool lol
>>217214775And now you think like a middle curve woman who wants everyone to have a heccin normal one.
>>217214676>If I met any of you IRL you would not be able to maintain eye contact with me btw
>>217214767Even with all the advantages?
>>217214744Women have unlimited options at their fingertips due to an imbalance of men and women on dating apps. They can sometimes get a one-night stand with a guy above their league if he just wants a quick fuck.Women have become way overvalued and social media and dating apps have literally destroyed the dating market for average to below average men.Have you not seen those charts showing how male virginity has skyrocketed in the last decade? Where have you been, seriously?If you seriously think there's a monoculture because of the memes you see online, you are beyond deluded. Also young women are more leftist than ever and young men are more rightie than ever.Even less women are having sex now than 10 years ago because the lower tier ones who don't want to be a whore are not socializing IRL because people actually leave their house and hang out in the real world less and less.
>>217214714>>had adult-like anxieties at a young age that were laughed off as you being an "old soul"Karmically the latter might actually be correct. You had old anxieties at a young age because you have a laundry list of prior shit you still need to work through in this life. This is probably true for a lot of anon itt. Life beats you down for a reason.
>>217214429Apps made it worse due to Chad pumping and dumping the middle of the road women who then begin to see themselves as higher in desirability than they really are
>>217214851>Where have you been, seriously?Watching the slow silent suicide of millennial males who were deemed low-status.I don't know if you guys have reached that point.>If you seriously think there's a monoculture because of the memes you see online, you are beyond deluded. Also young women are more leftist than ever and young men are more rightie than ever.I'm not talking about left/right zoomie, I'm talking about all subcultures have merged into one monoculture connected via a giant social network. If you were a nerd in the past with limited/no online access, you'd have to go to a physical place to find nerd stuff and other nerds and sometimes you were shit out of luck if you were in a small town.
>>217214851>Women have become way overvalued and social media and dating apps have literally destroyed the dating market for average to below average men.It's called hoeflation. You got literal 4's nowadays thinking they're 8's because they followed some make-up tutorial on YouTube and got themselves an army of brown simps that send them daily gifts on social media.
>>217214966Look up "rising male virginity" on google. No point in arguing your points.Dating apps and the internet have made it way, way worse than ever before. I don't know how you're on 4chan and haven't been made aware of this.
>>217215014While the dominant majority of young adults surveyed reported having had sex at some point in their lives, nearly a quarter (24%) of young adult males reported not having had sex in the last year, nearly triple the 9% who said the same in 2013-2015. About 13% of young adult females said they hadn't had sex in the last year, up from 8% in the initial survey wave.
>>217214974>>217214955>hoeflationIt would be interesting to see some kind of documentary on this that isn't mired by redpill/pua/whatever-the-zoomer-equivalent-is talk, because dating apps have really, really wrecked the dating field.
>>217214974>You got literal 4's nowadays thinking they're 8's because they followed some make-up tutorial on YouTube and got themselves an army of brown simps that send them daily gifts on social mediawhy are you making up situations in your head? Do you talk to women? Sounds like you need to touch grass amigo
>most average men are invisible to women due to hypergamyand this is why all these foids are going to join the state in demanding that these average men comply with their future military draft. who cares what happens to the invisible men?
what led to the rise of the incels?
>>217215187Smart phones unironically.
>>217215187>incelsIt's insane how being a virgin in today's society is akin to being a *moral* failure rather than a *social* failure. Not having ever been laid means I'm a bad guy now?
>>217215130>why are you making up situations in your head?Are you implying that women today do not have an over-inflated sense of self-worth due to cosmetics, dating apps, and social media?
>>217215098women cant be incels
>>217215233>Not having ever been laid means I'm a bad guy now?You're not "bad", but it's a pivotal rite of passage that you haven't experienced, despite wanting to. So more like "defective" as opposed to "bad", but socially it's tantamount to the same.
>>217215265fat and ugly ones can
>>217215279No. They always have access, it's their private delusions around status that keep them from this. Whereas there's a lot of men with legitimately no access.
>>217207180>you can win a gorgeous woman by being FUNNY and a good LISTENER and AMBITIOUS.Yeah well I'm none of those things.
>>217215276It was a rhetorical question. >So more like "defective" as opposed to "bad", but socially it's tantamount to the same.In the current era it means bad. See pic related. People use the word incel like a weapon now and usually pair it with "dangerous".
>>217215311>No. They always have access, it's their private delusions around status that keep them from thisYou can say the same thing about men. 90% of the whiners ITT have probably never even been to a bar before or even talked to a girl.
>>217215276And part 2.
>>217215385I have been to countless bars and talked (and still talk) to girls. Never even kissed
>>217215485Okay Mr. 10%.
where would Elliot Rodger be today if he had not died?
>>217215508Ugly autistic people exist you absolute fucking idiot
>>217215534He's not dead. He lives on (in our hearts).
>>217215534trooned out most probably
>>217206027I'm a 32 year old virgin by choiceI have no desire to be with anyone and am content with masturbation/a fake silicone butt that I have in a drawer
>>217215584you are still an incel
>>217215557Woah a bit aggressive there mate. I think I might have found your problem.
>>217215534I honestly think it's because of him that being a older virgin is worse. I remember when it happened that in mess room people laughing and interrogating each other on body counts and if you didn't have a high enough body count you were considered suspicious (as a joke).
>>217215590that would make him a volcel. read a dictionary
>>217215557You don't even have to be explicitly ugly or very autistic, just average to below average, bit reserved and unable to go past the polite friendly territory during a conversation and that's it, boom kissless virgin.
>>217215621He still wants to have sex but cant so he copes with toys which is peak incel
>>217206027I have terrible news for youhaving sex won't fix youKeep souldering on bros
>>217215590So what?
>>217215645where did he say he wanted to have sex with another person? sounds like you're projecting a bit 2bh.
I don't see it happening before 40. I just don't like leaving the house.
>>217215584>content with masturbation/a fake silicone butt that I have in a drawerKek
>>217206027What's your excuse?
>>217215385>You can say the same thing about men.You really can't. >90% of the whiners ITT have probably never even been to a bar before or even talked to a girl.Yeah, bro. They've literally never talked to a girl. Good one.
>>217215736Yeah, I don't even fuck the butt. I just grab on it while masturbating with my hand. I can't really get off to full fledged porn either. Usually it's clothed 2D women in suggestive poses. Or at best, really softcore porn like kissing. Penetration looks weird to me
>>217215674>I have terrible news for you>having sex won't fix you>Keep souldering on brosI have even more terrible news for yougoing through that rite of passage will actually fix quite a lot of your problems instantly
>>217206058>>217211023>>217211375after about 2 weeks your semen starts to rot so your body breaks it down and redigests it. its like eating your own semen, but instead your injecting your own semen right back into your blood with a syringe basically. itll jump your testosterone up and in turn, make your estrogen levels jump up to match it, but since its such a short quick boost of test and estrogen production takes longer your left with a long dose of estrogen that outlasts the test boost you got.its why the gay community pushes no fap november so much. you end up with a bunch of pent up, estrogen loaded guys who havent had any release for a month, acting all emotional. its like, hunting season for us gays
>>217215815Sounds like you would like one of these.
>>217215887Nice
>>217215875Only incels believe this.
>>217206027I’m 48, quit dating back in 2006, going on 20 years ago. If only I’d have converted to 2000’s neochristfaggotry I could get re-baptized and rebranded a virgin, to fit the white Muhammads Bronze Age understanding of human sexual development.Steve Carrell is way too good looking to not have gotten laid if he wanted to though. Most girls look for hot rich guys but when it comes down to it prefer to bang even average shmoes bc they’re easier & more appreciative than douchey bros who dgaf if they hurt you while they get their rocks off & cum inside you when you tell them not to. Shmoes might even let you try to have an orgasm, they’re great. If Steve’s hygiene were bad maybe, but otherwise it’s not very believable.
>>217215965It's an important rite of passage socially and it makes men go crazy if they never experience it. You'd have to be retarded not to understand this.
>>217215772Some people don't want to talk to women, which is completely understandable
>>217214924>you're an ugly incel because god wants to punish you A cope the size of the sun and of course it puts all the blame on the man as well.
>>217216179You could just as easily be thankful that you possess the higher order apprehension to comprehend this, whereas most others will remain lost to materialism their whole lives. If the spiritual dimension isn't closed to you, then that's a great gift, not a punishment.
>>217216042The first time I had sex at 17 it did nothing for me. I didn't feel fulfilled or that it solved anything for me, how I am, or how I treat people. The girl I lost my virginity to even gave me her number and I threw it away. This was mainly because I felt guilty since the girl I lost my virginity to was the cousin of the girl I was seeing at the time, who I ended up seeing the next day and she didn't seem angry but just sad and I felt terrible.That taught me that experiencing real human connection is more important than mere sex. Sex is meaningless by itself.
>>217206058you're going to get cancer you fucking retard. go jerk off.
>>217216251>it did nothing for meOn the contrary, it was such a fundamental orienting of your psyche in relation to yourself and the world that it paradoxically seemed like nothing.>That taught me that experiencing real human connection is more important than mere sex. Sex is meaningless by itself.This isn't true. It's not just sex that's important, but also your ability to speak on it with others. For example the men here who are virgins cannot speak on sexual things with other men, unless they lie about their experiences (then they suffer the private shame of lying) - it cuts them out of that whole aspect and natural fraternity. It also lowers them hierarchically with other men. Even the kind males won't talk to them about it out of a want not to upset them end up treating them differently to other men by doing this, thereby lowering them on the hierarchy.
>>217215279Ugly women that work out enough to have hard bodies are so cute though.
>tfw The 39 -Year-Old Virgin
>>217216251Losing my virginity made me feel like a boss and I started attracting more women for some reason. The lesson you should’ve learned was not to cheat on people.
>>217216339Was going to type something else but I'll just say that you're wrong and leave it at that. I feel like I'm baring my soul too much to a stranger on 4chan and it feels weird.
>>217216339>This isn't true. It's not just sex that's important, but also your ability to speak on it with others. For example the men here who are virgins cannot speak on sexual things with other men, unless they lie about their experiences (then they suffer the private shame of lying) - it cuts them out of that whole aspect and natural fraternity.>It also lowers them hierarchically with other men. Even the kind males won't talk to them about it out of a want not to upset them end up treating them differently to other men by doing this, thereby lowering them on the hierarchy.Ding ding ding.
>>217216497You can argue the logic behind my position without speaking on anything person in your life. You can just as easily speculate on how third parties might experience this - but you don't know how, so anon gets this lame cop out.You need to make it personal because you seemingly aren't able to speculate outside of yourself and your own lived experience.
>>217216646Yeah whatever you want to believe.
>>217216662Just go back to lurking. You can't even articulate a basic thought.
>>217216683Sure thing bud. You're so smart.
>>217216706>I w-was going to type somethingWoah, interesting.
>>217216720I'm so wowed by your intelligence bro. Please, keep "wizzing" me.
>>217216742>p-please don't m-make me bare my soul
>>217216762At least I have one. :)
>>217210610>I realize its like 165% better to have love sex than masturbate but just having casual sex its maybe 20% betterI've had love sex. I've had casual sex. They are not better than jerking off. They are just something different. It's like saying apples are better than oranges which is better than bananas. No, they are all just their own thing. The older you get, the more clear this becomes.
>>217216779You sure? You parse social affairs like a golem. You're not even able to mental model outside of your personal experience.
>>217216889More than you can say. You sound like a real empath.
>>217216251>My entire life and my perspective changed overnight the first time I had sex but it wasn't a big deal or nothinglol alright buddy
>>217216946Way to miss the point.
>>217215772The problem is I don't even know. I'm not bad looking, certainly better looking than that guy, and I'm white. I have a job, not a good one, I have some money saved up. I can sometimes be funny and charismatic even though I'm a bit socially awkward. I've talked to women. I've been friends with women. I've been on a few dates, not a lot. Maybe I just didn't try hard enough. Maybe it's insecurity, maybe it's because I'm an introverted person, maybe because inside I'm an angry person that trying to hide it all the time, maybe it's self-esteem, maybe it's fear, fear of being hurt, fear of humiliation, fear of failure. Maybe it's because I've always been a porn addict and that always worked for me.I have reached the 40 year old virgin mark at the end of last year though, and it feels like shit. Maybe that's just being 40 in general, but being a virgin probably doesn't help. My libido has gone down significantly, masturbation doesn't feel as good as it used to, and I can't seem to disconnect from reality and fantasize the way I used to. It really feels like I've missed out on something, not just sex, but good, fun sex, love, everything good about it. Despite my lack of experience I know enough about women, and especially modern women, to see pitfalls at every step I might take with them. I've been trying, unsuccessfully so far, to book an escort, which I never really considered before, but I'm afraid I'll just go through the motions and not get much out of it. Every girl I see when I go out that I'm attracted to is much younger than me and I feel guilty about it.Maybe I'm just someone who focuses overly on the negative, but I increasingly feel that whatever kind of relationship I could get in, whether it would be marriage for the purpose of procreation as would be appropriate at my age, girlfriend for company, one night stand, would probably bring me more problems and unhappiness than the already unhappy place I'm at.
>>217216924If someone doesn't know how to conceptually speculate on the lived experiences of third parties, and can only understand the world through strictly personal experience - could we honestly say that person is sentient?There might literally be Somalis capable of doing the former. Somalis.
>>217215534Drinking a latte in his bmw. Driving to his 35th different community college. Skips class again because he saw a couple holding hands. Cries in car while recording new video for YouTube decrying the legality of kissing in public. Drives home to his mom's apartment and plays world of Warcraft for 12 hours
>>217217024You just sound like you're arguing with yourself now. Have fun.
>>217217040Somalis.
>>217216976Having read half of your post and skimmed the rest it’s pretty clear that you’re just way too much of a neurotic retard
>>217212874They're all whores, only hookers are honest about the transaction instead of being a free2play micro transaction with no chance of getting laid
>>217216228Not him, but that's what happened to me. I found God, the meaning of life, a former glowie who shared the big picture of the system and its mysteries.I went from broke neet to upper middle class in the span of 2 yrs.After all this, I still can't find a girl worth sharing a life with
>>217217183Sure, but I can't really fix that, that's just who I am.
>>217206027literally me. not a joke.
1560 days till this is me if i don't do something about it
>>217217869>I found the meaning of lifeCare to share?
>>217217869I don't care about any of this incel shit, but I did everything right my whole life, avoided vices and got a degree and credentials, and ended up languishing in a dead end lower middle class job anyway. I want to strangle every person who brags about being a useless shit their whole life and then immediately getting a great six figure job five minutes after getting their act together.
>>217218511you sound like a bitter incel lol
>>217212033both of those things are wrong
>>217218511Mine wasn't magic, military just pays well with freebies if you know how to save and are smart about how you approach it.Without this, I'd be an unemployable NEET>>217218420A higher purpose, the real answer is God but as a society the new God is Fiat Currency worshipped on the alter of greed / global finance.It's not difficult to understand why
>>217215877>be gay>believe reddit pseudoscienceman. I think I've finally seen it all.
>>217213714fat girls actually message you back? count your blessings
>>217214429AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>217215123if the world still exists in 50-100 years, there will be scholarly articles written by sociologists about this stuff
>>217213714>-got cystic acne in high school and it persisted throughout college because I refused to take accutane until I wisened up at 21It doesn't always help, depending on your genetics. I went through accutane twice, and while it worked and I did have major improvements, I still have regular acne at 32. Don't want to pass it to my child, so it's better to remain a volcel.
>>217219032i think the only good thing about social media is that all these whores are recording themselves, so in the future if kids ever ask why women are treated like war criminals we'll just show them some tiktok until they get it
>>217218511A lot of success in life boils down to timing/luck and playing your cards right. Just do the best you can and enjoy the ride anon.
>>217218735what do you think happens to your semen if you dont do anything with it, exactly?
>>217217869>found godlmao
>>217206027Swear to Jesus this thread gets made on a daily basis.
i got myself somehow in a situation where i almost had sex like, a bunch over a few years and never did. like, tip to slit, over and over. i got all the way to the pushing part and never penetrated. to this day im not really sure if i just, failed, or if there was some actual problem with the girl. it was to the point id have nightmares of her asking me to come over and have sex, because i knew that it wouldnt pan out and she would just end up crying and it would be awful. id try as hard as i could to NOT be around my girlfriend if there was a chance for us to sneak off or be alone, always try to have company so sex couldnt "happen".we eventually broke up, i thought to myself "phew, dont ever have to do that relationship stuff ever again", left town, came back 9 months later and she was pregnant with her childhood best friend neighbor.20 years later im still wondering if i was just retarded or what>>217222376nah its more like weekly, its really dropped off in repetition. i miss the "lost control of my life" stu posts, honestly
>>217214843what advantages?nobody goes out anymore, it's all online and women are in Instagram and swipe on dating apps all day
>>217222986>nobody goes out anymoreyou're being hyperbolic. i'm a millennial in a tiny ass town, but whenever i do find myself in a bar or venue in even small cities i see crowds of younger people all the time.
>>217222471You mean your erect penis was pushing at her vagina and you didn’t have sex?I think you need to explain a bit more anon, what happened?
>>217223473yeah i guess it hurt her every time and i wasnt willing to just J-J-J-JAM IT IN. i did some research at the time and concluded it was something called vaginmus, a real thing apparently. except for the whole, she got pregnant 3 months after we broke up part
>>217207288You know there are plenty of female uggos too right? And they know they will have to settle for someone like them too
>>217213390For me it was probably the naive conviction I held all throughout my teen years that things were just going to work out for me eventually, that I would have found people who liked me as I wasIn actuality I had to radically change every aspect of myself to even start to make friends, which tbf it wasn't too hard to do since I ended up hating myself to such an extent I would have done anything to get as far away from that version of myself as possible. It just was kind of too little too late and it always felt like I catching up, but it's never quite enoughIt's kind of like when you are buttoning up a shirt, but you realise too late that you got the first buttonhole wrong and so everything is fucked up now. Only in life you can't really to back and start overThat and I'm a manlet. It didn't help at all
>>217213390Severe lack of confidence stemming from being bullied in elementary school, meaning I was to much of a pussy to ever go for a girl I liked and thus missing out on milestones. Oh and severe tics for most of my life didn't help.At least I have friends and a decent income.
>>217223840Imagine being a grown ass adult and blaming your problems on shit that happened to you in high school lmao. If you're the average anons age that was well over a decade ago, what have you done to improve in all that time? Being a loser is your fault at this point and you are to this day willfully continuing to be a loser. Get a grip pal.
>>217208438Lucky anon.
>>217206183I'm a young millenial and I'm an incel. It's weird because I'm fairly attractive, although my looks are now fading.
>>217206225I'm 31 and I've never had sex. It's really driven me crazy within the last few years. Four or five years ago I told myself that I had gotten over it, but I hadn't. You can't get over it when every living thing has experienced a higher existential experience than you ever have or ever will. I am more reckless now than I have ever been and feel like I will be dead within five years.
>>217206659It feels so absurd to me now.
my mom can't stop thinking that I'm gayt. 33 yo khv
>>217223895Being bullied in your childhood can really break your brain. I was bullied by my dad and uncle as a kid. They dedicated their lives to destroying my self confidence. Kids at school would also bully me and they would always side with them and try to relate with them over how much they hated me.
Some ugly girl got me to third base and I still feel disgusted by it. I wish I was still a handholdless cel instead of being in some quasi cel state.
I need to kill myself.
>>217222471>wondering if i was just retardedYou were. Same thing happened to me on my first time and to this day it haunts me whenever I get to a sexual encounter. Fucked me up for goodFumbling your first time can really mess you up
>>217223895>what have you done to improve in all that time?Nta but I:Worked out, traveled, went clubbing, pursued new interests, got new hobbies that require to leave the house, talked to women, made friends with women, approached women at the bar, tried out speed dating and other such eventsAll I got to show for all that after the entirety of last summer in which I went out every night is one (1) phone number and when I asked her out she answered "ahah no thanks"I guess I still have not given dating apps a try. Maybe they will be the last little push I need to decide I have ran out of it is what it is
>>217214429Unironically: they became transwomen
Everyone that says it's easy is a fucking liar.Every girl I've known was already in a relationship, or wasn't interested back, or wasn't my type. I don't control the universe.
>>217224749I wonder why r9k didn't figure it out after discussing about it for 15 years
>>217224749Theyre not necessarily liars. Its age dependant. In your 20s it's pretty easy to get laid because there are a lot of singles. After 25 there are far fewer singles and therefore it becomes more difficult. So when people say it's easy they are probably talking about back in their 20s when it legit was easy
>>217224509yeah but what about the like, 50+ other attempts. it wasnt like it was a one or done situation. she even told me once, in an attempt to get me to go with her somewhere secluded she had stuck a tv remote into herself, that it was possible to get something in her. no dice. the fuck was that then
>>217224785I just told you how my 20s were. My 30s are also busy on top of that.
>>217209180>It only affects ethnicsThis is a boy that has gaslit himself to cope with being a cuck everytime he sees an interracial couple
>>217224796like why didnt she go at any point over the 2+ years "uh try doing this instead". could a girl really not have any clue about her own body that much?i still probably did just fuck it up, but it just baffles me. why so long, so many different attempts. what did the other guy do.
>>217210039Damn you are basically incel now. I'm reporting you to the authorities
>>217223978This honestly annoys me more than the not having sex part. There's a gay co-worker at my place who joins in mocking me sometimes, and you can tell he's just a fucking predator who wants to rape men. Disgusting human beings.
>>217224785You know when it was ACTUALLY easy? When I was 13. When there were girls around me that wanted to fuck but society told me I was too young so we all chickened out. It was easy when we were all experimenting and I had lots of female friends my age and we were all horny teens. That's when it was actually easy.
>>217213320Only a virgin would post something like this.
>>217224890>When there were girls around me that wanted to fuck but society told me I was too young so we all chickened out.That hits me deep.
>>217219082This has got to be the stupidest reason to not have a child that I've seen on here lmao
>>217224945Yeah and 200 years ago nobody would have had a problem with it. But now we're all so fucking enlightened that we think nature is wrong. Well now you got no babies being born, cause you think 13 is too young and 40 is just right.
>>217221965Niggas will post this and go back to wondering why they are so miserable all the time LMAO
>>217225067true. the terminally stupid do seem to be happier in general
>>217224767/r9k/ died years ago. >>217224724I wouldn't be surprised. I honestly think that troonery was a psyops on nerds which basically forced them on two paths.Regardless, I bet if you compressed all the millennial male suicides over the course of say 2012-2022, I bet you'll find a silent epidemic of a certain kind of male, no house/kids/wife/meaningful job/etc.
>>217216273Go away
>>217224890>society told me I was too young so we all chickened outwhat do you think sex education is for retard? Society isn't telling you anything, you just sound like a retarded faggot lmao
>>217225187Some people are incredibly dishonest with themselves.
>>217225187You sound like someone living in a feminist society with a cliff diving birth rate.
>>217206659I am 31 years old and have just recently started kissing a girl