Within the last 10 years, why have Endings and Finales to shows and movies taken such a nosedive that most audiences feel like they regret ever getting invested?
Writers reading twitter responses and writing the show around appeasing twitterfags.See: Breaking Bad
Because you've primarily only watched shows made in the last 10 years.Moreso you've likely watched those shows as they came out, whereas you binged older shows. Waiting week upon week for a bad ending feels so much worse than just binging to a bad ending.
>>217223034Shows today have one good first season and then the rest is a money grab to see how long they can string along the fans
>>217223086been that way for ages unfortunatelyno point in planning out a series when you're statistically more likely to end up writing a pilot for a new show instead
>>217223034only in drama
>>217223034I don't think anything has changed with TV finales really. The real change is in the consumer. Nobody wants anything to end, especially if it's not ending with the gay ships people want. People would rather the show stumble on forever than end.
>>217223034Shows, like Breaking Bad, are souped up drama serials. Soap operas. Old comic books. That's all about the cliffhanger. They keep you hungry so that you'll "....Tune in Next Time!" to see what happens. That's why Vince thinks Pluribus could run for 7 seasons. He thinks he's built a world where the plurb can have infinite adventures. Its never about a story. Stuff like Severance and Mr Robot is worse. A movie with a beginning and end, sure. Except the middle is stretched and made up causing multiple threads that will never be resolved. Just keep tuning in! It's all bullshit. No one ever rewatches the last season of Better Call Saul.
>>217223086Yes there's likely a bitterness in knowing they have to end it all
Because these shows aren’t actually good, they had one or two good season where the audience became attached to the characters to such a degree that they would watch them do anything.It’s not that the ending is bad, it’s that it’s ending all that upsets people.
>>217223034Something tells me you're a zoomer and haven't seen many older shows as they released
>>217223034>>217223043Breaking Bad has one of the best endings of any tv series ever made.
>>217223185And here we go with the classic contrarian take that doesnt address the issue, but clutches at straws trying to find some ancillary take that somehow rests the topic without actually answering the question. Fact is, endings these days suck. Question is, why?
>>217223399>that doesnt address the issue,because the issue is falsetv has pretty much always sucked ass, especially compared to movies, but they used to be worth the filler and wait times because there was nothing else to watch and you couldn't just watch new movies whenever you wanted
>>217223065I wonder what it must have felt like to people watching evangelion as it aired
>>217223461I wonder how much of it was public knowledge that they ran out of resources at the end there? Even then Evangelion was only 1 season that released weekly in the span of like 6 months, so even then the wait wouldn't be nearly as dramatic as it is for normal drama shows.Seeing EoE in theaters must have been fucking nuts though.
>>217223185Then who is writing these good first seasons that can't stay and follow through!?
>>217223034Cart before the horse.Shows get picked up but more seasons are uncertain.Procedurals affected series arcs, compounded by mystery box writing that is a premise without a destination.Exec meddling means spreading things thin over time (old problem, Toriyama talked about this in one of the worst examples ever). A notable example of overextending was Lost, which was not meant for the run it gotBetter shows have longer arcs but conclude at the season finale. This was a thing a little over 10 years ago that really worked because if a show was not renewed we still got a pretty decent amount of closure (Flashforward is a perfect example, and an excellent show)It's not that endings are lost, but pitches with no direction prioritize producing volume over substance, and people just wing it until they don't have to anymore.
>>217223034Everything gets rebooted to hell and back so why bother trying to wrap everything up in a tidy way?
>>217223517It's the same person, but they might as well not be.Writer for season 1 has passion and a strong need to make something good to be in the small percentage of shows that actually make any good money.Writer for season 2 and onwards who already essentially made it in the industry compared to most people doesn't have any of those incentives anymore.
>>217223185>It’s not that the ending is bad, it’s that it’s ending all that upsets peopleVenture Bros was one show I was upset about it getting cancelled, and it had a decent ending despite it being obviously rushed and having several plotlines that never got fully fleshed out due to its cancellation.Nobody was actually upset that Game of Thrones ended. They were upset that they had invested 8 years of their time and were rewarded with a wet fart of an ending.
>>217223043>See: Breaking BadYou're insane. Breaking Bad was great from start to finish.
>>217223425I've thought about it and I agree with you that they've always been like that but disagree that it was ever worth wading through filler to get to a shit ending. I distinctly remember watching the Merlin series as a teenager expecting it to be a slow burn where eventually we'd see something cooler than a prop guy off-screen pulling a broom with a piece of fishing line, or the guy playing Merlin speaking gibberish to a cartoon dragon. It never did, and the ending was so dogshit thats its stuck with me to this day. That was the first time I'd ever been so immensely disappointed by anything in my entire life and my parents had divorced by that point.
>>217223034Battlestar Galactica and Lost had shit ends too, and I even remember the Stern show back in the day bitching about the Sopranos finale. I'm actually hard-pressed to think of a multi-season show that actually stuck the landing. Miniseries are a cheat, because that's planned out in its entirety.
>>217224564I can't even name 5. Has TV just been shit at ending with only some good ones?
>>217223034You have rose tinted glasses if you think endings used to be better
>>217224762This, people here even delude themselves in to thinking Twin Peaks s2 ending was good.
>>217224597Yes. TV shows RARELY have good endings.
>>217223034>last 10 yearending was always the hardest part of every story and they were always shit 9/10 times
You have no clue how many TV shows in the past never even got a chance to wrap their storylines because they were abruptly cancelled. People have been spoiled by post-2000s prestige TV format where the driving factor was long term storytelling where each episode was usually important in some way when before TV basically had 20+ episode long seasons where only couple of episodes actually moved the plot onwards (or do a fakeout about changing something) where as most of it was “filler” or just done-in-one episodes with no impact on any major storyline the show might have. And when something might suddenly change it was not organic, instead it was emergency level retooling of the show when ratings were bad or an actor died/left the show/got severely sick/pregnant/etc. and suddenly you had to write someone out entirely or come up ways to accommodate the lack or availability and minimise their screen time or introduce excuses why they barely showed up anymore
>>217225337This. Eddie McDowd is stuck as a dog forever.
>>217223644For people with shit taste, sure.
>>217223034American tv shows very very rarely had great endings though.
>>217223034are we only talking about GOT and Stranger Things? GRRM has been in statis for decades because he can't end it properlyStranger Things has no excuse though, the bar for a good ending there was pretty low to begin with and they still fucked it up. Most of the fanbase is happy because they got that sappy epilogue.
>>217223043thispluribus did this in that one episode near the end where zosia and carol happen to casually answer all the fan questions and debates.>is animal plurb?>no>do plurb all feel sex and stuff?>yeah but not uncontrollably at the forefrontso on the nose
>>217225379If you think Breaking Bad isn’t one of if not the best series within the last 2 decades you either didn’t watch it, didn’t get it, or have taste so bad that it would inspire awe, not anger or disgust
>>217223357BB ending sucked and youre a pleb. It’s so bad it retroactively ruined the rest of the show. It’s a failure on a plot, thematic and character level. This is obvious after one watch through.
>>217225379>For people with shit tastei dont deserve this
>>217223034I don't think TV show endings have ever been good. They're either bad or neutral. Breaking Bad is a good example. I predicted the ending years before it happened, because I knew they wouldn't have the balls to do something original. BCS was the same shit.
>>217223086>Shows today have one good first seasonNo, they don't, faggot. They have no good seasons.
>>217225428>last 2 decadesbreaking bad isn't even cracking a top 5 if you're counting shows that were actually airing in 2006 and didn't just "premier" within the last decade. you need to watch more tv
>>217225428It wasn’t that good. It relied a lot on cliffhangers and teasing something forever and then giving an underwhelming reveal for it
>>217225428Reddit is that way, friend.
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>>217225409You realize they film these shows months in advance of their airing, right?
>>217225429>it retroactively ruined the rest of the show. It’s a failure on a plot, thematic and character level.The fuck are you talking about, mental midget? The theme has always been Walter choosing the allure of sunsetting his life as Escobar over his family by manifesting the unused potential that didn't let him sleep at night. What about the finale contradicts this? Did you want him to repent? That would be the most out-of-character shit imaginable.
>>217225582>sois, teen and jeet ratingsyou truly showed him bud
>>217223034Because the overwhelming majority of shows/franchises aren't actually good and people just get swept up in the hype of the one good season/movie/book/whatever that actually put the media on the map in the first place. Most people can't recognize the signs that something will not have a satisfying ending because the overwhelming majority of stories start with a premise that can't possibly have a satisfactory and logical ending. >what if an ordinary and intelligent man got cancer and needed to sell drugs to build a nest egg for his family?>what if a knight lord loyal to his King discovered the king's incestuous wife was engaging in a conspiracy?>what if a government project telekinetic child escaped from a facility and was being hunted by a monster?None of these premises had enough material to carry it past one season without devolving into unrealistic melodramatic capeshit.
>>217225781> 177K @ 9.9That's everyone but the chuddies buddy
>>217225401Personally, if GRRM came out and said he couldn't finish it, I wouldn't hold it against him. I'd actually come out and respect him instead of killing himself over a work that, even if it kills him, still won't be finished.
>>217225494List them>>217225500You didn’t get it
>>217226237>You didn’t get itHE doesn't get it? i haven't gotten laid in days!
>>217225429BB is a badly written show. If there's even worse out there in the past two decades don't mean it's somehow not bad now.
>>217225428>he said I have bad taste? well then I'll tell him HE has bad taste. That'll show him!Your post was predicable based on the fact that you're obviously dumb as fuck.
>>217223034jews
>>217226237Get what?
>>217225429Are you one of those retards who genuinely believe the show would have been better if Walt DIDN'T redeem himself?
>>217225409You're a fucking moron.
>>217225776Not him but he did repent. It was a decent ending.
>>217227144He didn't repent, he stopped lying to himself.
>>217227144He repented, but he never stopped lying to himself.
>>217223034>whybecause these series don't have a > BEGINNING> ENGthey start out with a pilot, then if successful, they write until there is no blood in the turnip...then squeeze some moreThis is why The Wire is revered. There was a beginning and end in sight. There wasn't a "people like this, lets bleed it out for another decade" (it wasn't like to begin with).
>>217223034Endings are oft wierd and abruptly because the show creators are either salty about their work ending so limp to the barn or leave it shity so they can tease for more work.
>>217223644BB has great episode ratings until the very end and never drops in quality. Some people think if their personal mindcanon isn't followed then the show failed. The only change I would have made would be Walt's actions finally leading to Jesse's death which was the implied outcome for most of the later seasons
>>217227318you're a good man
>>217223034Breaking Bad ending was actual nigger shit
>>217223034The fuck are you talking about. For most of history shows had a finale when they weren't renewed for next season because no one was watching. It was always way past jumping the shark phase. They were NEVER good.
