Nowadays Peter’s job doesn’t even seem that bad. >oh no I’m getting told to do the same thing by five different managersAt least they’re all telling you the same thing>oh no my boss asked me to come in on the weekendJust tell him you can’t. I ghost any call or text when they try to pull me in. They stopped bothering me. >sit at desk doing medial workSounds easy
>>217227069Also:>no women in positions of command
>>217227069you never worked in an office and dont know how it alienates you into having an existential crisis if you dwell on it too much
>>217227069well they didn't have youtube and stuff to browse back then to kill time. you literally just had to pretend to work after you finished your 20 minutes of actual work. do you know how fucking boring and dehumanising that is?
>>217227069All that 90s angst stuff is extremely grating from todays perspective>I work at a gas station 3 days a week, I can afford a one bedroom apartment in the city, a car, everyone around me is white and getting laid is very easy. My life SUCKS
>He never experienced an open office If he though the cube was bad try spending all day avoiding eye contact with annoying nosy coworkers
>>217227153>well they didn't have youtube and stuff to browse back then to kill time. There was an ancient form of streaming called AM/FM radio.
>>217227282I worked in an open office for several months. There was a super annoying black guy who would not shut up about Jesus and trying to convert people. I actually had to go to HR to complain about him.
>>217227305never saw an office where theyre playing music while taking calls and stuff. and most of the time the computers didnt have an internet connection, everything was done on in house servers and stuff was faxed. it was hell.
>>217227305About ten years ago I went on classic American road trip to several national parks and Deadwood. I remember listening to American radio for the first time. I absolutely fell in love with Rush Limbaugh. It completely sucks that my country doesnt have an equivalent to him. The closest we have is Ezra Levant and hes a jew.
>>217227261Lmao true
>>217227069He wouldve been laid off by now
The point is that they could already tell the job was a mix of time wasting makework and being underpaid for the value they were creating with the real work, but with no real option to skip the makework or demand adequate payment for the real work. It just hadn't yet reached the point where they had to go into debt to sustain the lifestyle required to keep the job. Anyone with a 115 iq could tell this was happening and that their chance at a family or a retirement was in serious jeopardy.
>>217227069well it wasnt made for the shitty near digital prison world we are marching to
>>217227069>Sounds easyTry it, OP. It's more soul crushing than stacking boxes. Nothing you do matters, anybody can replace you at any time and everybody who enjoys the office is an insufferable twat with no personality. I'd rather live on the street than take another office job.
>>217227305And they'd tell you to turn that shit off within a 30 minutes and get back to work
>>217227557this this thisI felt like throwing myself out of the window when I worked at an open office software dev housepeople who haven't experienced it don't know, but those that have, they know that a soul exists because you feel it being crushed every daynow I work blue collar and life is so much better
>>217227557Moving boxes fucking sucks too. Avoid dead end jobs, period. Women shouldn't be the only ones that get a fucking cush job to browse Facebook. Stop telling men to break their back for LESS than some bitch gets paid to make coffee. There is no pride in being a slave for corporate profit on the inside...or the OUTSIDE. "I don't deal with office politics">Brb no healthcare>Brb body deteriorating every year >Brb it takes you 6 years to make 50k>Brb they hire illegals to replace you>Brb you have to work in the snow and the rain while some fat guy sits in a trailer or office making double what you makeLet's stop with the manual labor is better line cause it ain't
>>217227069at the time peter's job was manually sifting through decades old code to modify it so it wouldn't shit itself when the year rolled over to 2000. in 1999. meaning his job was basically over within a matter of monthspeter's job today would be manually sifting through jeetcode and desperately trying to make it into something competent and/or wrangle them into into being competent knowing full well his job could be outsourced at any time.
>>217227636He'd also be working on contract with no expectation of employer loyalty and likely no benefits either, replaced by jeetscum in 6 months
The real play is to do all your actual work for the week on Monday then spend the rest of the week slowly releasing your work while you spend time chatting to friends, taking extra long lunches with naps, and leaving early.
>>217227069No, you aged poorly. Peter is still an office cuck no matter how much the Internet has made you a porn addict.
>>217227319>I actually had to go to HR to complain about him.Bitch made move. Let that nigga be.
>>217227069Dude I would do anything in the world to have a job like that.
>>217227636His job would have been worlds greater back then . As it was for all of us.
>>217227622>Let's stop with the manual labor is better line cause it ain'tNo, it's not the labor type that matters, it's being able to see the outcome of your labor that makes work fulfilling. All of that motivation and fulfillment disappears as soon as work a hierarchy reach a point where it has to add a middle layer of management. The more separation there is between the executives and the people doing the work, the less sense of autonomy and influence the lower level of workers will have.Any kind of work feels more worthwhile if you don't have to do it while feeling like you're a pawn or a cymbal monkey that's dancing to the music that someone you never interact with is providing.I've worked in nearly every level of organizational complexity that exists in the modern economy, from huge corporations to being fully self-employed. And the upper limit for a business treating its employees as human beings and trusting them to do their jobs competently seems to be somewhere around 30 people. But on the flipside it becomes untenable for an owner of a company to effectively manage and delegate work out to any more people than that amount. Eventually authority has to segment out to foreman or managers, but the executives/owners still need to be involved and aware of what the work entails or things go bad really quickly.I worked for a small business that went through that transition over 14 years and could see it happening. I was the 4th employee and love my job up until the point that they hired their 40th employee.
>>217227557>It's more soul crushing than stacking boxesHave you ever had a job like that?I used to work as a lab assistant, which involved a lot of manual labor and it was both soul crushing and body crushing.The thing with manual labor is that at some point you become so good at it you don't even have to thing so you find yourself with 8h to think about how much you hate your job.My programming job is soul crushing too, but at least my body doesn't resent it.>>217227783>No, it's not the labor type that matters, it's being able to see the outcome of your labor that makes work fulfilling. Yeah. Lots of people in my field are here for the money. I'm trying to find a new job doing something I actually care about instead of working 8h a day for a bunch of kikes in an industry I absolutely hate.
>having to listen to another teams call with a preppy, fake enthusiastic American woman talk about a "strong Q4" and "keeping our momentum for Q1" etc etc
This thread makes me glad I am a born salesman. I love working in sales because im good at it end my office posts everyone's real-time sales figures up on a screen. I've never fallen lower than second place and can make my weekly quota in a shift.
>>217227574I was told I could listen to my Walkman with headphones as long as I didn’t make Numetal sounds.
>>217227891>mfw having to deliver whatever the fuck the sales guys have been making up and promising to the customers
>>217227622>blah blah blah, I'm a fat lazy fuck who Sitting all day is just as bad for your back, tubby. Also most of those problems you listed are true of offices too, along with:>ruining your eyes from staring at a screen all day>vitamin d deficient due to lack of sunlight >unnatural white office lighting makes it harder to sleep>constantly stressed due to having to work alongside other lazy soulless people
>>217227932I work for scotia bank insurance. It's not exactly complicated to memorize the policies.
>>217227932That's possible.In the worst of cases, a big company can lose millions on a "good sale" gone bad and even try to sue the sales people/director.
I go into the office once a week and I complain about it the whole time
>>217227319You sound like a huge fag.
>>217227069I once had a manager who would tell me to do several contradictory things in the span of a few sentences. Not sure if he was fucking with me on purpose of if he was just that stupid. One day I had enough of his shit and calmly told him how inept and stupid he was and that nobody respected him, they were just afraid of his daily temper explosions. I told him he was giving me fuel against him with each one. He was quaking with rage and told me that he was going to make my life a living hell. I told him I can quit at any time, but he can't afford to, and he can't even fire me without screwing himself over worse. And that he already was making my life hell, so go ahead and try harder, it won't make a difference. I stayed for a couple more months and then one day I knew that he really needed me there, I just stopped showing up. I hope he died during covid. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>217227981i work in IT, so reading the sales material about what we can deliver vs actual reality can feel like a bad fever dream
>>217227891>can make my weekly quota in a shift.So then you get to go home for 6 days?
>>217228007Based, I quit going altogether and they're too pussy to say anything to me
LMAO at all of you niggers with these horrendous office jobs like you’ve been describing. Fuuuuccck that noise. Kek
>>217228077An insurance sales, you are not allowed oversell. The only loophole is if they don't ask you the right questions to get the full truth. Its more like lying by omission.>>217228081No. I just keep grinding away. Part of the fun part of the job is that since we only sell to existing customers we can access their consumer profiles which contain a lot of telling information that we then use to tailor our sales pitches to the customer. I had to get an RCMP background check to take this position because we have so much "private" data on our customers.
>>217227069You don't work
>>217227319>I actually had to go to HR to complain about him.LolYou crybaby bitch.
>literally do nothing but jerk off and play vidya>get promoted what the FUCK
>>217227069yeah. >oh no i got told off because i fucked up paper work when i otherwise self admittedly do like 4 hours real work in an entire weeki’d murder someone Dexter style to have that fucking job. try working remote tech support 9-5 with rotating weekend callouts, and see if you dont wanna cave an old lady’s head in because you’re working on your 5th fucked up printer this day that has some eclectic fucking glitch making it simply not work. all the while said old grumpy bitch is nagging at you over the phone to make it work
>>217227557>It's more soul crushing than stacking boxes.Warehouse jobs suck ass if you have autism or ADHD. Fuck tons of sensory overload buzzing and stinging your brain.
>>217228297I have ADHD and I love warehouse jobs because I can think daydream all day while working on menial tasks and not talking to anybody.
>>217227153>Americans can't read a book
>>217227069No one expected the right to so thoroughly destroy the economy for 30 years. This was riding off Clinton's economic boom.
>>217227319Typical karen move.
>>217228223>>217228062There is nothing faggy about getting an annoying nigger put on notice.
>>217228202>No. I just keep grinding away.Why if you already did your job for the week? That's stupid. Why don't you just play Warcraft the other 6 days then?>Part of the fun part of the job is that since we only sell to existing customers we can access their consumer profiles which contain a lot of telling information that we then use to tailor our sales pitches to the customer. I had to get an RCMP background check to take this position because we have so much "private" data on our customers.That sounds horrendous, and you're mentally ill if this is fun to you.
>>217228202Well I'm glad you enjoy your job. Go to luck getting promoted now that you've made yourself invaluable in the role you're already in.
>>217228440Commissions.
>>217228416Crying to HR Karens like a bitch isn't what men do.
>NOOOOOOOOO>YOU CANT CALL HUMAN RESOURCES>YOU HAVE TO LET ME HARASS AND ANTAGONIZE YOU FOR EIGHT HOURS A DAAAAAAAAAAY >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>217228491The joke is on you. Im not a man, I'm a troon.
>>217228491Most of the time you get labeled as the problem anyways, now your managers took note you went around them or over their heads to another department/corporate. The won’t retaliate right away, but they will one way or another.
>>217228491Fuck off, bootlicker. Sign up for the military and get shot already.
>>217228491neither is arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet
>>217228854Gonna cry to HR about it, you little faggot?
>>217228560>Complaining to the manager is very masculine, actually
>>217227069it's a fake job that only exists because our population is too high and we need things for people to do. baby boomers tricked us into thinking that office work was the bee's knees when throughout the rest of human history it was done by a very small and select group of individuals.
>>217228560so antagonize them back, cuck.
>>217227153correctI entered the workforce right as smartphones and mobile internet got good enough to stream YouTube and podcasts so I experienced the tail end of the old cultureyou were straight up expected to appear to be working at 100% capacity for the entire time you were at your desk and maintaining the facade in silence was insanely frustrating and demoralizinghaving YouTube videos and podcasts made it 100x easier to do
>>217229144I did this until the company slapped blocks on computers for productivity virus and bandwidth protection. DNS blocks didn’t catch everything, so we just fucked around in sandboxed internet. Once smartphones came around the culture changed back. >wonder what /tv/ is up too>this domain is blocked>no more baneposting at work4chan went years without a block and my IT department were millenialfags.
>>217227883Listen to that Teams call?Nigga, I'm ON that teams call!
>>217227090oh man those faggots had it good. its not fair
I'm also a software dev at a big corp, and the job sucks.Lots of bullshit meetings and stretched far too thin over multiple projects including unmaintainable legacy shitcode.The pay is mostly alright - 3.5k€/month.
>>217229516I would kill anyone with my teeth and claws if I could get a job like that for €1.5k dude.
>>217227090No women, no niggers, no jeets, only one guy who was "ethnic" but he was friendly and funny.It really was a dream job and to think they were pissed off because they had it worse than the boomers, now look where we are, i bet he even had PTO and dental
>>217229516>3.5k€/month.Nice. Now you can spend that on a nice vacation in Bulgaria without hassle.
>>217229374Rags
>>217229564That's an extremely lowball expectation, unless you're just starting out.The range for senior devs is now around 4.1-5.5k/month in most firms, at least the ones specializing in development.Got a few interviews lined up.>>217229651You know what, I might just do that this spring.
>>217227090>A time before HR bullshit
>>217229678Forgot my picrel.
I don't even care if I get a "good" job anymore, I'll whatever menial wagie bullshit I need to as long as I can fly under the radar and just be left alone.
>>217229678>>That's an extremely lowball expectation, unless you're just starting out.>The range for senior devs is now around 4.1-5.5k/month in most firms, at least the ones specializing in development.>Got a few interviews lined up.Yeah we get it retard you're the big shot richie rich, fuck off.
>>217229774How will you buy a house and retire though?
>>217229046>antagonise back>coworker goes to HR for your bullying>get firedWow, what an airtight plan.>>217228958>guy robs me, rapes my wife and kills my dog>don't cry to the cops about itYou're a retard. Don't reproduce.
>>217227090Women bosses are great, they let so much shit slide and hold the appearance of work over the work itself
>that guy that posted a dick pic in the slack chat
>>217229903so do it in a way that can't be traced back to you. jfc why is everyone so uncreative.
>>217229903>HE WAS LITERALLY RAPING ME!LolFag
>>217230276Makes it easier to ignore
Advice for dealing with HR: document in silence. If your called in for something you’ll have evidence. Keep it strictly factual, but add in little phrases like: this action made me feel uncomfortable and distracted. HR exists solely to prevent the company from being sued and most of them aren’t lawyers so a little documentation can cause a freak out. Use for self defense because they can play their own games. It will keep you from gettting steamrolled.
>>217227319i would've done the same thing man
>>217230276>spend your free time focusing on how to discretely get back at some annoying bellendOr>go to HR and let them deal with it Hmm... decisions, decisions. >>217231830I said "rapes my wife". Nice reading comprehension, pajeet.
>>217232018>I said "rapes my wifeLol and you just watched it happen, fag
>>217228732You say this, but I have put massive pressure on my manager many times and if that isn’t getting the result I want, I contact HQ. They learned pretty fast to make me comfortable and leave me alone
>>217228406You literally can't. Try reading a book at your corporate job outside of mandated break times and some uppity cunt will ramble shit off about policy and tell you to put it away. Even if the details have changed, the movie's core message about work being a dehumanizing, soul-sucking piece of shit is still true. Pic related just came out and is about the interview process after getting laid off in the age of AI. Check it out if you a more modern take.
>>217227069Sorry OP, shit was already bad back then and it got even worse
>>217232345I spend at least two hours everyday reading substack or pdf copies of books I've downloaded and nobody says shit because it looks like I'm reading some work related article
>>217227622>akshully the human body was designed to sit all day in an office chair and blood clots with deterioration in core/back strength increases your quality of life
>>217232537I do that too, but it's not because you look like you're working. It's because you're doing it on your work laptop or computer. I don't know why the powers that be hate books so fucking much but if I ever want to read on the job during downtime, I use my laptop. I prefer an actual book in my hand but that causes irritation. It's entirely about optics and is retarded.
>>217232579Go to the gym you fat fuck
>>217227765>Let that nigga beYes, he should have let everyone in the office be. Sorry but the office isn’t your personal church.
>>217227069Mike Judge was an office worker for like 2 weeks and was so traumatized by a man not wanting to give him a stapler because it kept getting stolen it broke him.You can work from home almost whenever you like now, there are vera desks, office treadmills and on-site gyms. My office has an on-site masseuse (admittedly she's booked months in advance) and programs that encourage walks outside for mental health. They match 401k which is basically free money for not leaving. They give 30 hours of free therapy. Hundreds of hours of paid leave and sick time.To say it's a bit different now would be an understatement.
I wish I made the money to have my own place and date.
>>217232632The entire world belongs to God, nigga.
>head honchos come in to cut cost>realize half the workforce doesn't actually do anything>promote a worthless employee simply because they like himi dunno. seems pretty accurate still.
>>217227069>zoomers have it so bad that terrible shit looks good to them nowgrim
>>217227319None of that happened, jew.
>>217232603I do manual labor and work out, part of which is martial arts. 9/10 id beat your fucking ass. It’s just a fact that office work fucks your body far more than manual labor. Some manual labor is terrible for your body. Some is good for it. Sitting in an office chair all day is never good for you retard and you can’t exercise it away, especially as you age. Sorry that facts trigger you.
>>217232657are you hiring?
>>217227069>le agedWhat a faggy take. It was a product of its times, you fucking postmodernists are insufferable and unable to enjoy things for what they are.
>>217232018>Hmm…
>>217232667I agree. Not sure what that has to do with some asshole pushing his particular brand of bullshit in an office.
>>217232706>promote a worthless employee simply because they like himI'm that worthless employee. Life advice to all you underlinings: be likeable, and learn to read a crowd and crack jokes that they enjoy. That opened up more doors for me than my resume ever did. "Working hard" is for sucks. Being charming is the meta.
>>217232765>It was a product of its timeSounds like you're the postmodernist
>>217227394>Rush LimbaughI grew up with the sound of his voice booming through the house through several radios turned all the way up in multiple different rooms so that my grandparents could hear him at all times. I think it turned me into a leftist.
>>217232758post your arm
>I have affordable housing and 2.5 children but my job is kinda boring and my wife only gives me a blowjob on my birthday, aaaaagh I'm literally being torturedWhy were all boomer flicks like this? Could they have predicted the hellscape we live in now?
>>217233036Don’t care if you believe me or not. We both know what I said is accurate else you would have posted an argument and even if I do what you ask, you’ll just make some other demand or move goalposts.
>>217233074>getting laid once a year by a wife that hates me is a good lifeJesus you people are fucked lol.
>>217227069>soul crushing office work seems fine nowadaysSo, we are actually living in hell, right?Also, what the fuck is this captcha?
>>217233352>So, we are actually living in hell, right?Yes. Most millennials and almost all zoomers will never be able to have access to simple things that previous generations took for granted like a boring but safe job and an adequate living space. Gen alpha is probably going to be forced to live with 20 other people in an apartment like a bunch of jeets.
>>217232909As a backup if you can't be charming just be agreeable and never have an independent thought. It's surprisingly easy to just stop caring and nod
>>217227153>Solitaire>Freecell>MinesweeperLet me guess, you need more?
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HEARD THE RECEPTIONIST SAY THE SAME THING TO A CALLER FOR THE 13TH TIME TODAY, I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAANE
I instantly think of that Bob's Burgers episode when Bob has a nightmare about having an office job. What a fucking pussy, there's nothing wrong with this
>>217227069>sit at desk doing medial workThis is enough to make you want to die on its own.Go try work in a factory doing some menial shit and see how much you will want to die within a week
>>217233887Trying to force your way through small talk in the office is legitimately terrible. Just let me eat in peace, you faggots.
>>217233901I don't mind menial shit as long as the supervisor isn't on my case constantly and I can work independently.
>>217233253ok fatass
>>217227069>Just tell him you can’t. I ghost any call or text when they try to pull me in. They stopped bothering me.The company was actively engaged in downsizing, he would have been fired.
>>217233959>hey anon, how are you doing?>reasonobly bad>Then smile and keep doing my thingIt's that easyIf you're having awkward conversations at work it's on you.Work dinners are a bitch though
>>217232657Alright give me a bullshit job like yours then.
>>217227069I was on a desk job for a couple years suffering through that shit and I'm much better off now that I moved to a blue collar job.Not having to deal with my old boss changing his mind every time we talk and blaming me when shit doesn't workout, working off the clock fixing the messes my coworkers made..Now I see him every other day, nod to whatever bullshit he says and do my thing until I finish my shift.
>>217227153Nigga seriously couldn't sneak a Game Boy? I did that in school.
>>217231957>forced to become a sociopathnty
>>217227771You’re brown
itt: browns idolizing 90s “soul crushing” jobs because they already have no souls and the status of “replaceable mindless cog in an office” is infinitely higher than their current status of “trash.”
>>217234592160IQ White European here, I can't get a job precisely because of said browns being imported for the specific purpose of replacing me. What do?
>>217227783The company I work for is like 3 years old. I was the 13th employee and now we're pushing 40 people. So far what you described hasn't set in yet but they want to keep expanding. Our CEO is on weekly review calls and is active on Teams which is cool but what you said about a small company hits the nail on the head.
>>217233887It is if you have an imagination and cognitive abilities superior to an automaton. The office is for people who had kids too young and now have no other choice but to slave away to feed them.
>>217234690either become a very successful criminal, or work somewhere where you'll find a job easily and will be valued, then once you've saved enough money - start your own company and filter out all shitskins.do not try to play by their rules, as you're set up to lose.
>>217234749>work somewhere where you'll find a job easily and will be valuedWow thanks retard oyu must have 170IQ at least.
>>217227153No, if you were decently smart you could probably just sneak a copy of Doom in on a floppy.I did a work-from-home job until recently and they used monitoring software to see what were doing 24/7. They timed bathroom breaks to prevent slacking, and if you spent more than like a minute or two idle you'd be at risk of getting chewed out.
>>217227069You have to live it to understand it.
There's nothing wro.g with wanting a better life. The 90s were prosperous so existential issues took place. If there was a real war/economic collapse all the new kids would say we had is easy cause atleast things are safe.
