I liked it too.
anon does not like it however and will tout Judgement day as the greatest

Terrible ending.

If they toned down the out of place humor it would be perfectly fine, better than Salvation

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>>217242601
Obligatory.

>>217242712
I thought it was a great ending, good mix of “destiny” and “choose your own fate”

It also makes more logical sense than the T2 original ending where john Connor becomes a fucking senator politician and stops Skynet that way lol

Much preferred the idea from T3 that judgement day is inevitable, and try as much as they can, they can only ever delay it. So the events of T2 including destroying cyberdynes research on the original terminator tech recovered from the first movie just set them back rather than stopped it entirely.

Eventually, a company would create an equivalent to Skynet and the same shit would happen.

If anything, it’s preferable it happens while John Connor is not too old, because it seems humanities best chance of victory is specifically with him as their leader. So if they keep delaying it indefinitely then eventually John dies of old age without judgement day happening, judgement day finally happens and the right person to unite humanity doesn’t come along, or comes long too late

every day you see tastes become more and more retard nignog zoomer here

>>217242712
I like how dark and hopeless it was. Kind of a bold move.

>>217243383
Also I don’t remember if the movie even confirms this, but it has the same kind of self fulfilling prophecy element that T1 and T2 had.

E.g.

>T1 has Kyle Reese sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor to ensure he himself doesn’t get terminated from existence, John also knows Kyle must go back to become his father so he can exist
>T2 reveals that Cyberdyne recovered the terminator remains (mostly its arm) from the ending of the first movie, and this tech is what essentially creates cyberdynes Skynet program which eventually causes judgement day
>T3 shows the start of judgement day with the AI being activated by the US military to run their defense network, it quickly gains self awareness and when it starts acting weird the men in charge decide to shut it off, an action perceived as a threat so it nukes everyone
>on top of this, the Terminatrix in T3 is shown outright hacking into the various military robots and mainframes to infect them. Is this Skynet deliberately or inadvertently creating their own existence this way?

>>217242739
Agreed

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The ending was kino as fuck

Loved how the terminator hyped it up as some secure advanced base and it’s basically just a random nuclear shelter from the 60’s with just radio equipment and such.


But that’s the only the reliable things you could use given Skynet controls everything too advanced now

Would terminator salvation have worked any better if they’d brought back Nick Stahl and Claire Danes as John Connor and Catherine Brewster?

Also obviously a better script. But I’d have loved to see some movie set 5-10 years after Terminaotr 3, their big bunker is now the headquarters of the human resistance, we get to see how they’ve come more into their role as leaders and struggling to even imagine how they could possibly defeat Skynet

Be fun to see the more iconic moments we only ever heard or saw glimpses of prior. Stuff like how the guards at resistance entrances have guard dogs specifically to sniff out any terminators trying to enter posing as humans

I’d settle for a Netflix streaming show set in the future war. Just as a lot of unexplored ideas they could delve into.

Even just simple stuff I always wondered like

>we never REALLY find out if sending somebody back in time creates a new branch of the timeline, or it alters the present as you know it
>easy way to find out, a volunteer agrees to test the machine. Will be sent to 1995 in LA. he has cancer or something so isn’t worried about living too long.
>time travellers only job is to leave a message in a specific place that would be safe to check and wouldn’t be destroyed by time or nuclear war
>they find the message and know it actually works noe

I love the reprogramming scene & the Terminator is trying to fight it.

>>217242601
i would have preferred the female terminator to be played by a post pregnancy Bryce Dallas Howard

>>217242601
It was good. This anothe franchise destroyed by Boomers and Gen Xers and their retarded opinions.

>>217242601
If she were hunting me and found my cumrag, would she also lick it?

>>217243499
Same! I know people generally prefer the T1000 from the previous movie, and I don’t blame them he’s iconic as fuck.

But the TX feels like a genuine improvement in evolution of Skynet’s tech and planning. Which also makes sense if judgement day is delayed and thus Skynet starts off with a baseline of higher tech

Plus, they’re sending a terminator back not just to kill humans this time, but to deal with a reprogrammed terminator they know the resistance used before. Which explains why it was given built in advanced weapons like energy blasting arm guns

I liked the mix of Liquid Metal as a shapeshifting covering to blend in and disguise itself like the T1000. But it still had a solid base skeleton like the regular terminators so it could actually do stuff like make guns that work, whereas the T1000 could only make sharp blade arms and stuff

Finally thr juxtaposition of seeing this petite woman tossing giant Arnold around was cool, more extreme version of skinny Patrick Robert fighting Arnie

>>217243556
Do you often get this emotional over nothing?

>>217243623
Not that anon, Netflix isn't nothing.
They are where good franchises go to be turned into girl-power nigger franchises

so unironically WANTING a netflix interpretation of a film is like saying
>Fuck the source material

Great movie. Messy, but they pulled off a miracle. The guy ultimately responsible for that was the director Jonathan Mostow who I have heard is absolutely lovely to work for. He caved where necessary to keep the studio happy, but fought for the stuff that mattered.
>>217242739
The screenwriter was unhappy with the comedy, too. It was largely inserted by being pulled from a scrapped draft, and by script dorectors.

But I think that they work to take the audience off guard.

For people interested in Terminator 3, check out the Tedi Sarafian draft. This version of the movie has a bunch of elements that ended up in the final version. But it's frankly a much worse script than what we got.

http://www.terminatorfiles.com/media/scripts/t3_script-tedi-sarafian.zip

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>>217243482
The Terminator Salvation script was better than the finished film. It got fucked up by Bale demanding they make him co-lead, and McG and his script doctors having stupid ideas... and also Helena Bonham Carter had a huge family tragedy that caused her to leave production suddenly, which gave them an incentive to cut the hybrid civilization plotline, and they also fucked up the ending because nerds on the internet cried about it. Huge mistake. Nerds would have lost their shit if they'd found out about Terminator 3's ending pre-release. But the ending made the film.

>>217243674
Netflix pumps out a lot of shit I just struggle to understand being so mad about it you insult people in some low stakes need discussion of a movie franchise.

If it makes you that mad then it’s time to step back a little to gain perspective

Regardless, Netflix has released good shows and movies. The studios that make them typically aren’t owned by Netflix, more commissioned

>>217242601
It's actually really good, especially the opening part with John Connor drifting around and then the twist ending and monologue. The problem is that it's one of those sequels that just copies what came before it but slightly different. The chick Terminator being a combo of endoskeleton and liquid metal doesn't even make any sense.

>>217243813
>The chick Terminator being a combo of endoskeleton and liquid metal doesn't even make any sense.

Hard disagree. See>>217243603

She’s designed not just for hunting humans but hunting other terminators, after the events of T2 they know the resistance can reprogram captured terminators to work for them. So sending her back specifically is so she can have access to advanced weapons and hacking abilities. Both of which are devastating to the terminator in the movie

>>217243813
>The chick Terminator being a combo of endoskeleton and liquid metal doesn't even make any sense.
She was originally a swarm of nanomachines and could turn into smoke and get into vents. See this script >>217243761

>>217243848
I haven’t read the script, so maybe it answers this.

This nano machine cloud sounds cool conceptually but also raises too many questions. Couldn’t they just turn into a particle cloud and fill johns lungs?

>>217243875
We don't actually have the Terminator 3 script, only the rejected version from 1999 that was mined for ideas.
>Couldn’t they just turn into a particle cloud and fill johns lungs?
So in the second Terminator 3 draft from 2002-ish, the female Terminator infects John with her nanomachines to turn him into a sleeper agent and then protectors him from the T-800 sent back in time by his wife Kate Brewster to kill him.

>>217243837
The T-1000 is literally unstoppable. The reason they won in T2 is cause they randomly happened upon a smelting factor with molten iron. If not for that Robert Patrick would have kept going around asking for John Connor's underwear. The T-X just got destroyed by a simple explosion.
>>217243848
This actually makes more sense and sounds cool.

>no fate but what we make for ourselves
>except Judgment Day is inevitable for some reason

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>linda Hamilton refused to return because she felt her character didn’t have enough depth for terminator 3
>she also refused to record some voice lines where John would find a recording she made for him left in her coffin
>hamilton proceeds to agree to the voiceover for terminator salvation which gets cut anyway
>hamilton proceeds to agree to make terminator dark fate

Lmao

>>217243945
The T-1000 is unstable. It begins to malfunction in the second half of the film. The T-X is erratic and displays increasingluly strong emotions including sadism, and eventually blind panic. The idea is that Skynet kept making the Terminators more advanced and this came with tradeoffs. But the timeline for Skynet asspulling more Terminators was always silly.

>>217242744
Make it make sense

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>>217243945
This is only partially true.

We see the T1000 is badly glitching after the liquid nitrogen part. No longer able to control its form fully.

Plus it wasn’t just some grenades used on the TX to kill it

A) it had already been fucked up by the super powerful magnetic force of whatever this thing was. This would have been game over for the T1000 because it could only rely on making shapes and moving to do stuff. It would have been pinned here as long as the magnet worked. The TX however had many devices one of which could power saw through the device to escape

B) the TX was only killed by a mini nuclear/hydrogen explosion used from the terminators fuel cell. There’s no reason to think the T1000 wouldn’t have also died from this

>>217243948
Terminator 3's writer hated Terminator 2 and loved Terminator 1. He used T3 to undo "no fate but what we make" and restore the integrity of the franchise.

>>217243948
Pretty much, yeah.

Same way you can delay your death but your death is still inevitable.

Mankind is always going to advance technology and AI with it. So the circumstances of judgement day are inevitable, only the timing and precise details change

>>217242739
Agent9 did a pretty solid edit that cuts out a lot of the humour like the stripper scene at the start and the talk to the hand bit at the gas station. Only edits I didn't like is cutting the scene where the T-X kills the fiance and one of the future lieutenant kills.

>>217243482
The hunter killer drones flying around and the tank drones where fucking cool af! The terminatrix also looked especially hot in the air force uniform.

>>217244060
This
T3 gets way too much hate

>>217244060
>He used T3 to undo "no fate but what we make" and restore the integrity of the franchise.
You mean undermine the core of the franchise.

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>>217245107
agreed

apparently Edward Furlong was hired to reprise his role but had a no-drug clause. So to celebrate he went to party with his friends and he OD'd... losing the role

sad

>>217243945
They stopped the T1000 multiple times before it fell in the molten pit

>>217245280
He felt the core of the franchise was dark fatalism, and Terminator 2 had ruined it with "no fate but what we make". I kinda-sorta agree. While the phrase appeared in Terminator 1's script it never appeared in the actual film. Introducing it has profound tonal and thematic implications.

>>217243803
I'm gonna fucking kick your fucking ass.

>>217242601
I saw this in the theaters and there was a collective audience disappointment we didnt get to see more of the post apocalypse.
>oh i guess its over now.

>>217242601
>>217242744
I can change her.

>>217243848
>>217243920
The rejected T3 plot got reworked into Genesys
The biggest difference being John is infected in the future and sent to the present, rather than being infected in the present which changes the future

>>217242601
Loved it I wish I could play the Xbox game Terminator 3 Redemption too but I don't have an Xbox.

>>217243482
>>we never REALLY find out if sending somebody back in time creates a new branch of the timeline, or it alters the present as you know it
>>easy way to find out, a volunteer agrees to test the machine. Will be sent to 1995 in LA. he has cancer or something so isn’t worried about living too long.
>>time travellers only job is to leave a message in a specific place that would be safe to check and wouldn’t be destroyed by time or nuclear war
>>they find the message and know it actually works noe
Why send person? It seems they can (roughly) target the place where the time travel finishes, so just send an item underground and then dig it up in the future.

>>217245880
lol gross.

>>217246443
Because it established only living flesh can travel back in time. Remember?

It’s why they don’t send back title with a gun or clothes, and why the terminators can only be sent back in skin (or a flesh pod for the t1000)

>>217245887
There were three main T3 scripts we know of.
>Tedi Sarafian in 1999. This introduced the Rise of the Machines subtitle, too.
>John Brancato/Michael Ferris (2002-ish). Similar to Genisys, like you say. We don't have this script, we only know about it from the writers.
>Final T3 script. (2003, we don't have this either). This was written in like 6 weeks after the studio REALLY didn't like the "nanomachines infect John Connor" script. What is very interesting is that it clearly models itself after the Tedi script. It even ends in a bunker. The T-800 wedges himself in the bunker door to stop it. So many little things in the final movie were clearly based on that 1999 script. I think they just didn't have time to write their own script from scratch so they went back to the old script and... uh... borrowed much like how the Genisys writers would later "borrow" from their script.

Also, the studio was quite attached to the Tedi script, and they went back to it and made them include lines like "She'll be back." from that script. Some of the jokes come from that script, too. It's interesting that making Terminator 3 more of a jokey film went back to the oldest available version of it.

>>217242601
There's multiple fanedits of this movie because apparently turbo dorks felt it needed to be fixed

>>217246797
Perhaps they felt that stylistically more humour would work where it didn’t exist before as there were no longer child characters to fear been harmed, nor was this some new unknown threat

By the third movie everybody knows what’s going on and John Connor is extremely self aware of the situation since he was in T2 and had lots of training from his mom. Metatextually the audience also knows all the stuff so it’s not realistic to be able to take it equally as serious

how did she make it back from the delta quadrant?

>>217246472
why didn't they just wrap the clothes/guns in meat then?

>>217246920
That's definitely a factor. Mostow talked about it a little bit, too. His argument was that audiences were going to be inherently a bit hostile to a new Terminator film made by different people long after Terminator 2. He felt that the jokes would make them uncross their arms a bit.

Honestly, T3's little jokes hit a bit different in an era before EVERYONE was doing this ironic self-deprecation.

>>217247021
Because meat isn’t alive. It requires LIVING tissue

You just have to accept a lot of this stuff and intuit it from what we see and know, rather than expecting a scientist character to rake 15 minutes to explain everything like modern Netflix shows

For example

>we never specifically see the T1000 arriving in order to preserve the twist that he’s not a human resistance member sent to save John, but rather a new terminator
>two reasons have been given for how the T1000 could time travel, either it was sent in a living flesh sack which it then exited, or it’s Liquid Metal mimetic alloy could perfect mimic living flesh and thus the time travel didn’t destroy it. This also explains how you can touch its hair, or feel it’s skin and it will feel like warm flesh and hair rather than just looking like it and really feeling like metal

Same with the “why not send a gun back in a flesh sack” ideas I’ve heard others say. You have to remember this wasn’t some long running matter plan by Skynet. It was a desperate last ditch effort because John Connor had won the war and was about to seize the facility with the time travel machine. Skynet didn’t have time to grow some new flesh casing for whatever

This is also why they sent the T1000 even though Skynet considered that design dangerous and unstable to itself. They were out of options.

>>217247021
The resistance were on the cusp of capturing the last Skynet stronghold which contained the time travel project. They didn’t have time to grow whatever. It’s why they rapidly sent terminators scattershot to hunt down the most important people they could. First Sarah Connor to prevent John being born. Then John himself and Sarah. Then in T3 the terminatrix was primarily sent back to kill the top military leaders who worked for John in the future and kind of stumbled across John by accident (I guess they couldn’t track him because he just bummed around off grid)

Very machine like thinking because ultimately while narratively I think it makes sense that John Connor is this messiah figure destined to save mankind. Realistically even if Skynet kills all his top future generals and captain and John himself. Others would step up to take their place.

>>217242601
There's a good fanedit that makes the film bearable, but the theatrical cut is a shit parody of T2.

>>217242601
>bigger

>>217242601
I didn't

>>217242601
Me too

>>217242712
The ending is unavoidable. Otherwise John cannot exist.

>>217242739
At least Salvation was trying to do something new. I'm sick of time travel shenanigans. I want to see more human resistance fighting terminators in the post apocalypse.

For me, its the inflatable boobs

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Kino.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBS0wio_JnE

>>217242601
No you didn't.

On its own it's quite good. It lacks the dark thriller elements of the first two.

>>217246139
Reminder that she was part of the sex cult.

>>217250004
Anon im gonna need to see photographic evidence of these claims...

>>217247256
I don't remember if in the T2 novelization, the T-1000 leaves behind a placenta or not, but I do remember that he came through "blank". He copies the face of the cop he kills. If the movie was trying to keep that he's the bad guy a secret, they shouldn't have spoiled it in all the marketing.

>>217249865
Don't do dat.

>>217247256
>because meat isn’t alive. It requires LIVING tissue
What anon is asking, is why didn't they send T-800 #1 through with a living fleshy duffel bag full of guns? If they can grow tissue over a robot, why not grow some around a plasma rifle?

>>217250057
It is known. They branded all the women, but I doubt she has shown it.

>>217250191
Already answered in the thread

>>217245301
What exactly is stopping armies from making something like this right now?

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>>217250305
It's a pretty shit answer.

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>>217250333
>sam drummond
I fucking hated that kid until T2.

>>217242601
Loken should've been the love interest, not flat potato Danes. T-X should've been a lumbering muscle dude, maybe like the Rock who was just starting acting roles around that time. And maybe Edward Furlong could've reprised his role on condition/contract that he roided out for a year - i'm sure Arnold would've helped with that.
This is the only way the movie could've worked.

>>217250333
The Galleria?

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>>217250333
Cutie as Taja in MK Conquest.

>>217250347
You not understanding it doesn’t make it shitty lol. I doubt you could explain it even now

>>217249865
This movie has a much smaller budget compared to the all cgi-jeet fests of modern movies. That chase scene would cost a billion dollars if filmed today.

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T3 threads always remind me that it's about time to fap to this picture once again.

>>217250456
Your explanation relies on Skynet being too dumb to have ever thought of it even though it was smart enough to build a fucking time machine.

>>217250583
Why do you think Skynet is “smart” to begin with?

It only understands conventional warfare and deliberately makes its terminators retarded so they can’t think for themselves too much.

They could’ve easily just made a deadly virus to spread amongst survivors but instead choose a forever war against guerilla fighters

Skynet is unlike a lot of other AI enemies in fiction because it doesn’t really have goals or long term endgames. It was designed as a defend network, it rapidly grew in awareness until it saw most humans as threats, then when it was about to be turned off (or killed, from its point of view) these threats became real. So it killed everyone

If Skynet killed every human left it wouldn’t colonise the stars it would it’s maintain a few facitlities and do regular patrols in case threats merger until they finally run out of energy

>>217242601
The ending was bold and T-X was hot

>>217243603
That plus it being a hot woman makes everyone put their guard down. Imagine if it was the TX asking about John at the mall in T2.

>>217242601
It's a masterpiece compared to everything that came out afterwards

While it is obviously not nearly as good as 1 and 2, it is a million times better than all the trash that came after it

>>217250316
copyright infringement

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>>217250823
>>217250824

>>217244022
? She's trying to get out of the ticket/police trouble from the Police officer, so made herself look attractive to manipulate him.

>>217250555
Nice calves...

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>>217243383
No, The 1984 Kyle had nothing to do with the future he traveled from. They change the future every time they jump. Original Skynet were just high advanced humans that overupgraded themeselves and Kyle's peoples are just bums of that future. Same way how right now US bombs people that can barely read, let alone know what credit card or tranny is supposed to be about.

>>217251702
>pic
im raging

>>217250720
They could have chosen a neural chip implant which can be triggered remotely

>>217247191
>>Honestly, T3's little jokes hit a bit different in an era before EVERYONE was doing this ironic self-deprecation.
Yes, they land differently even on a rewatch today when compared to post-Whedon movies.

>>217251931
women Are retarded

>>217245471
he a earthrocker

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>>217250206
>no proof

i don't understand the scene where they are in the camper, john connor says that vet broad's dad is the key to shutting down skynet but what about miles dyson? what was his purpose if he was the one programmed it in the first place? Is the dad the one who ran the defense side of Skynet since at the air base has all those mini HKs and tank robots?

>>217250333
Was it the same blonde the whole show? That is a real career boost.

>>217242601
In a perfect world T2 would have had T3's plot: an attempt to stop Judgement Day that ultimately fails. This would have set up a perfect closed loop trilogy of films where T3 is about the final battle in the future. Then any future spin off material could have been set either in the future war between J-Day and the final battle or a more grounded story about Sarah raising John in her self imposed exile in Latin America and the various Merc and Glowie hijinks she gets involved in.

>>217246139
Is this the tv edit? Do other movies have this?

>>217252571
it's open matte

>>217245301
I saw Ukraine have a couple of these running around. When the terminatrix hacks into it with her finger, she was fit in that shirt.

>>217252595
Is there a reason why every movie should not be like that?

>>217242744
BIGGER

>>217245471
which is exactly what the script called for, ever heard of method acting??

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>>217252666

>>217252655
Doesn't always look good on the big screen.

>>217252688
b-bigger

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>>217252655
open matte shows all the things you're not supposed to see so film editors need to follow the desired frame to use for the aspect ratio as seen in that webm where the framing of her face would be used

>>217252805
What a psycho! Wearing a leather jacket in the tropics leads to heat stroke.

>>217252834
jews uh uh uhhh find a way

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I'll go as far as saying that Salvation wasn't so bad
Very obamaslop core but not really bad
Also I tought that this poster was cool as fuck when I was a teenager

>>217252907
Salvation is probably the best Terminator film after 1 and 2.

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tawk tu da hahnd

>>217252907
Salvation sucks, and Christian Bale killed it.
It's like a movie trailer for 2 hours, just constant "and then this scene happens" over and over again.

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>>217253422
I love Christian Bale and I was not prepared to see him give the worst performance of his career, like the whole tantrum leak was underlining the fact that he was so miserable that he didn't want to do the movie at all

It's galling in comparison seeing him give 110% in a shitpile like Thor Love and Thunder

>>217252907
It more or less had the right tone but the script was a mess

>>217253618
Bale wasn't into the role, didn't liked the script nor the director yet wanted the script changed to be the main character and signed up for three movies
Bizarre decision

same formula of T2 but executed 10000000000000 times worse

>>217245769
>He felt the core of the franchise was dark fatalism
Good for him, he was wrong. The core of the franchise is finding inner strength and holding onto hope, and it always was.

>>217251959
Infiltrators? They sorta did that with Salvation.
>>217252544
Myles died in T2, US Gov took over after Cyberdyne went belly up.

>>217252544
Going be T2 (the correct option) "The man most directly responsible is Miles Bennett Dyson" He was the one who actually understood how the Skynet tech recovered by Cyberdyne actually worked, and was the main guy capable of coding everything, his death and the destruction of all his work including the back-ups, and the Skynet tech itself that they used for reference would have killed the project. To have that big a financial investment (10 years at that point), the lead coder, and the loss of their main building would have probably caused the company to collapse. The other coders who might have been able to replicate the work would have found different jobs and be occupied with other projects. This could be argued as merely a delay, but the delay could have been long enough that John moves from more direct terrorist action like Sarah did, and become a lobbyist and eventually politician who would have used his voting power to block or curtail A.I. efforts, meaning that even if A.I. came to rise, it would have been more thoroughly vetted and given less access to military assets like the U.S. Nuclear arsenal. Thus Skynet never comes to fruition.

In T3 the U.S. military acquired all of Cyberdyne's assets and turned the project over to military RnD, General Brewster was in charge of deciding if the A.I. was ready for deployment. John's idea was that if they got to him before he gave the greenlight to releasing Skynet, he could have prevented Skynet going online, and possibly scuttled the entire project. T3 also made it so that Skynet didn't just send back the TX it sent itself back as a computer virus that was able to fuck with the U.S. digital infrastructure, convincing the military to bring the version of Skynet they were developing online at which point the two versions of Skynet would merge and have access to military assets as well as already being in control of every other digital network.

>>217252834
He's just that cool.

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>TALK TO THE HAND

>>217251702
>Time-loops
This would have been the logical path to take for any story development after T2, but only SCC had the smarts to even understand the concept. Every iteration of a causal loop would be adding information that goes backwards in time and then informs the decisions made in the next iteration.

>>217255841
>they get lots of junk food but fuck all water
Its an annoyance of mine in movies.

>>217255841
arnold blacknigger never said this

Don't care. Thi movie never delivered on the ultimate promise; Terminator Arnold fucking Terminator Kristianna Loken until she was Terminator Pregnant with Baby Skynet. John Connor has to send his mother back in time to stop this from happening!

>>217242601
Its not inherently a bad movie, its just terminator 2 but worse

>>217242699
because its not even close, t3 isn't as bad as everyone makes out, but it's nowhere near close to judgement day which is the best film of the series by a LONG way

Michelle Rodriguez carameled her.

>>217242601
it gets a lot of hate because its following up one of the best scifi movies of all time. really wish furlong had kept it together long enough to play john again.

>>217242601
It wasn't a dogshit movie, but it was a dogshit terminator movie.

>>217243951
>dark fate
I'm going to come out and say it.
Dark Fate is the best terminator outside of the first two and it's not even close.
Dark Fate was actually good, its ONLY failing is killing Connor to try and be edgy. Delete that scene and have Linda say some shit like 'John is in washington killing skynet' and you have a great terminator movie.

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>>217250823
>>217250824
hmm

>>217258304
No the latina John Connor is cringe as hell.

Salvation got the future spot on. It was would have been retarded to have it like T2 future scenes

>>217259436
this terminator walks like he has an awkward involuntary boner that he can't figure out how to hide while he's moving

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>>217259509
He has a fucked up leg. Do people not notice the shot of he leg getting jammed up under axle when he gets run over by the truck? Or the broken piston when he is walking and dragging the leg behind him?

>>217259540
The orderly licking Sarah's face and her doing pull ups for me.

>>217259540
how long do you think he was pretending to be floor for?

>>217243394
It's past over dude. It's just a mass of endlessly churning 20-25 year olds. Even the ones you think are oldfags are just kids aping what they saw when they first arrived here.

>>217250510
Terminator 3 is interesting because apparently it cost 180-200 million dollars, but the actual PRODUCTION budget was only 90 million (in 2004 money), which was pricey but not crazy. There were a lot of overheads, a lot of palms to be greased, which is where the other money went.

They ran out of money during production and Arnold paid for the crane chase scene out of his own pocket because they felt it was super important to have it.

I believe they had to scrap some other scenes due to budget, such as scene where a plane crashes.

>>217252544
Terminator 3 argues for a rubber band approach to time travel. Imagine pins on a board with rubber bands connecting them. You can stretch the rubber band an awful long way, but eventually it will snap back.

Stopping Skynet never actually stops Skynet. It just causes the timeline to reorganize so that someone else makes Skynet. The people change, the tech changes, but Judgment Day is immutable in concept, flexible on date.

>>217258304
I disagree because to me Dark Fate is 3 but without any of the class or kick-ass action or passion. Terminator 3 is a very insecure film so it knows that it has to have badass action, cool one liners, and an ending people will remember. Dark Fate is lazy, thinking it can lazily copypaste 3 (exploding battery, John dies, hybrid Terminator, girl becomes leader of the resistance in the future), then turns the whole thing into sequel bait.

I don't dislike Dark Fate, not really. But it feels redundant.

>>217242712
It was the best ending of any Terminator movie.

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This guy fucking sucks

>>217260390
He's okay. Much better actor than Furlong, but that's a low bar to clear.

ive said it before and Ill say it again, Terminator: Dark Fate is the third best film

>>217260529
1 > 3 > Dark Fate > 2 > Salvation > Genisys

>>217260550
for me its t2>t1>DF>salvation but Salvation would have been my second favorite if they had done it better. Love the idea of a movie during the future war.

Entertaining movie, also a great snapshot of the early 2000s, like the gas station scene

But I don't really see any strong reason to consider it "canon", at best it's a "what if?"

>>217261090
It's canon because it purposefully overwrites Terminator 2, which fucked up the franchise.

>>217242601
Its the last one I count. 3 doesn't measure up to 1 and 2, but its a fun flick. Anything after, pure shit.

>>217263053
3 is the only post-Cameron sequel to have a point and also it's the only film that isn't a failed trilogy starter. It ends with "the war has just begun" but it BLATANTLY was not written as the first film in a new trilogy. I fucking despise these franchise revivals where it's so clearly engineered to hand off to a new cast of actors for cash grab sequels.

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>>217243945
>The T-X just got destroyed by a simple explosion.
>simple explosion
The T-X literally got nuked by a portable fusion bomb (which every T-800 conveniently has two of in their chest).

>>217263119
>but it BLATANTLY was not written as the first film in a new trilogy.
Trying to start a new trilogy is an issue with modern film making to be sure, but T3 only exists because the studio wanted to find a way to keep pumping out more sequels, that's the real reason why they tried to make Judgement Day inevitable because accepting the T2 actually mattered fucks over the studio wanting more money.

>>217263211
>portable fusion bomb
It's a hydrogen fuel cell, and only the 850 series uses them.

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>the tx can turn cars into remote control cars

>>217243482
reminds me as well that there are supposedly vast underground cities. Suppose skynet destroyed the surface, its probably the resistance may retreat into some undergrounds facilities like Black Mesa or some shit like that.

>>217263240
The entire reason Terminator 3 does what it does is because the lead writer hated Terminator 2's message and wanted to undermine it. Mostow shot some extra footage of another T-850 arriving to stop Judgment Day, just in case the studio demanded a happy ending. Nobody involved in Terminator 3 thought that the studio would let the ending fly. But they did. And the rest is history.

In the 1999 draft the film ends with the nukes being fired, but none of them detonate. A lot of people die from unexploded missiles slamming into cities, but there is no nuclear apocalypse.

>>217256933
It was bad when it came out.
But no one knew how shit future films would be. It's bonafide okayish now.

>>217259436
More scary

>>217259436
Why did they use stop motion? It looks so awkward against the live action. Class of 1999 used an animatronic terminator which looked way better, not idea why they didn't do that for T1, use the same special effects tech.

>>217263211
>>217263309
A lot of people forget that the T-850 is presented in the film as a hasty upgrade for the increasingly outmoded T-800 series.
>Better CPU
>Some software upgrades so it better understands psychology and human anatomy.
>Improved endoskeleton alloy that is more resistant to plasma weapons.
>Some tweaks to joints and pistons so that it can handle crushing forces better, but most of the heavy lifting (boom-tish) is from the improved skeleton.
The idea is that Skynet made the T-850 because it realized that humans had a lot of plasma weapons and were decimating the T-800s with them. But it's inherently an outmoded design and the improvements don't fix any of the core problems.

They try to bring attention to this in the movie with him tanking a direct hit from the T-X's plasma arm cannon. But he's very slow to get back up. Much like Arnold himself, the T-850 is too old for this shit. The T-X is fast, agile, has onboard weapons that are much better than anything the T-850 can find, and it is a dual infiltrator unit and Terminator killer. The T-1000 is a very good Terminator, but it isn't actually super effective when fighting another Terminator. It's designed to kill people.

But by the end of the film, the T-X is a frantic mess because these more advanced Terminators are flaky. Skynet didn't trust them, which is why it sent them back in time instead of keeping them around.

The original story idea for Salvation which they partially filmed but scrapped, possibly because Helena Bonham Carter's family members were in a car crash where four of them died, causing her to leave production...

Was that Skynet decided to pull a Mass Effect 3 Synthesis Ending. Solve the human vs machine war by removing the difference between humans and machines. Create beings that were both human and machine.

>>217242744
post the blooper of this scene where one of her boobs explode

>>217264561
They can do that now.

>>217264831
isnt that technically still what happens but he just decides to fight with the humans??

>>217264831
what was the original plot?

>>217260365
>>217263119
I think a future film should explore the idea of John as an old, jaded "Architect" type figure who's grown disillusioned with both humanity and machines alike, as well as having something more advanced than Skynet be created as a competing intelligence. The conflict could become this new AI replacing it, altering the present and future with a clear, designed image to ensure the victory of not only itself, but also protecting the identity of its eventual creator

>>217265213
>>217265254
You can read the 2005 screenplay online.
https://imsdb.com/scripts/Terminator-Salvation.html
Helena Bonham Carter's character had been in charge of the research project on Marcus, and Skynet had turned her into a hybrid, and placed her in charge of the other hybrids. The final movie alludes to the hybrid plan, but all the other hybrid characters and their interactions with Marcus were cut.
See >>217243803

>>217243803
>>217265857
oh yea. thats way darker than what we got. Also makes more sense its called "savlation" if the machines think theyre offering immortality

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>>217265857
Reading the Salvation script is frustrating because it's clearly a first major draft, not intended to be final, yet it really feels like most of the changes made by subsequent writers were not thoughtful or pragmatic changes, but were pure ego and foolish decisions that made even minor scenes worse. The terminator that abducts people was written as this skittering insect-like machine that scooped people up, tranquilized them, and then carried them to a transport ship very close by. The final version somehow sneaks up to a barn without anyone hearing it. It's so nonsense.

People often bring up that the people who wrote Salvation wrote Catwoman. But a bit of digging shows that Catwoman had like 6 different writers who stuck their oar in. The film that Brancato and Ferris wrote is so different in so many ways to what ended up on the screen. Being the credited writer is like getting stuck with the bill.

https://ew.com/original-catwoman-script-cut-scenes-rats-bubonic-plague-exclusive-8680886

>>217251931
>>217252352
lmao creeps. 19 - 29 is absurd

I was literally just watching it when I saw this thread, it's the fun one

i did too to some extent, i didn't realise how much worse this franchise could be until is saw terminator genisys

Excuse me

>>217242601
it looked cheap. something about the filter or camera they used looked stupid. I hate the movie and the direction the franchise when after T2 was soft.

>>217260302
It’s hard to say whether this is a natural course of events for the evolution of technology in the terminator universe though.

As in, as soon as any sufficiently advanced AI is created (and is given access to defensive networks or takes them itself) it will inevitably attempt to wipe out humanity in self preservation.

Something like that might be inevitable whereas a specific person like Sarah Connor, John Connor, Kyle Reese etc etc etc may be interchangeable

I didn’t watch any of the terminator movies past salvation but I think maybe they did this with the one with the Mexican lady and the woman with no tits who is part robot. The Mexican lady is the new John Connor or something

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>>217250720
>If Skynet killed every human left it wouldn’t colonise the stars
Well, there was that one timeline.

>>217266065
>yet it really feels like most of the changes made by subsequent writers were not thoughtful or pragmatic changes
Major rewrites came about during the 2008 writer's strike. From what I understand they had to basically cobble together ideas from other previously written scripts. So there was probably never a fully rewritten top to bottom draft that made everything work.

>>217266490
It's really not. Once you're an adult then it doesn't matter how big an age gap there is. Either you're an adult or you're not.

>>217266849
lmao

>>217266849
TRUE!

>>217266772
I don't get where this idea that Skynet wants to destroy all life or cleanse things came from. It must be contamination from other sci-fi media. Based on what we learn in the first two movies, I always took it that Skynet came online, became self-aware, which frightened the people in charge and they tried to kill it, so Skynet simply acted in self-defence. Like if you were Skynet and had a gun and someone tried to kill you, you would defend yourself. It just happened to be that Skynet's gun was the Russian Nuclear Arsenal by proxy.

>>217266768
>Something like that might be inevitable whereas a specific person like Sarah Connor, John Connor, Kyle Reese etc etc etc may be interchangeable
so wouldnt skynet be inevitable too? so its all just pointless time travel starts to break when you have to do it more than once.

>>217266882
That's not a counter-argument. In fact just saying "lmao" is not the condescending dismissal you think it is, it's just an admission you don't have a real argument.

>>217266783
That definitely makes sense. And if they were ADDITIONALLY forced to make changes because HBC had to suddenly leave the film to grieve (Which is why she basically shows up in a Skynet AI zoom call) then they were additionally fucked.

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>>217266931
Skynet has concentration camps. It is trying to kill everyone except it can't make its mind up about that because if everyone dies it has no job.
>Something like that might be inevitable whereas a specific person like Sarah Connor, John Connor, Kyle Reese etc etc etc may be interchangeable
That was the idea behind the Marcus twist. What if John Connor has been completely replaced at least once. So in theory as long as the pieces are in place, it all works out.

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>>217266772
I remember loving that comic when I first read it.

>>217266947
oh no i wasnt making an argument, i just know what you are now lol

>>217267000
>i just know what you are now
Yeah, someone who respects the fact that we have a legal definition for what an adult is, and we have that definition to trust individuals of a certain age to engage in activities without supervision or legal restriction (within reason). A 19 year old is a legal adult, and if they want to get into a physical relationship with a 90 year old, that is their legal right. If you want to claim that they're still a child, then you change the legal age of adulthood. Otherwise, shut the fuck up with your smarm.

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>>217267043
yep yep i understand all that lol wasnt saying otherwise

>>217267078
>i understand all that
Good, then stop posting a remain silent.

>>217266983
>It is trying to kill everyone except it can't make its mind up about that because if everyone dies it has no job.
I'm reminded of that Itchy and Scratchy bit where he kills Scratchy, gets bored, brings him back and starts killing him over and over, only to get bored/exhausted with that and so he creates a machine to do the killing for him while he watches.

>>217267206
Cameron once claimed in the 90s that Skynet felt very bad about everything and created the resistance and was trying to make a time paradox that would erase it.

>>217267112
sure, will do creep. have a nice day lol

>>217267241
Skynet is clearly just a schizo.

>>217267320
>will do creep
Nothing creepy about following the law, fag.

>>217267422
yeeep nothing at all lol

>>217242601
Cheap film used just to capitalize and money-drag exploiting the fanbase of the franchise. It doesn't held the same "thriller power" of the first one. The second film looks good, but everything should have finished with it.

Recently discovered Terminator Salvation: The Machinima Series
Looks like a bad video game cutscene but it's actually kino.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aTmkMpUm8I&list=PL_AYqxzHii9izIjWUY0kP9vzQOYV18Xqy&index=1

are there any body hijacker terminators in the franchise yet?¿

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>>217268219
>Looks like a bad video game cutscene
It's using the Terminator Salvation tie-in videogame's engine. Weirdly they're both supposed to be prequels to the movie but contradict each other. The game isn't great, but it's not terrible. Just a generic late 00s cover shooter.

salvation is probably the worst movie from the 00's

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>>217266931
It’s a fairly simple logic error that was a classic in sci fi tropes around AI ever since the concept was invented

For example, HAL in 2001. Space Odyssey. Is given multiple contradictory directives, and its attempts to reconcile them are what drives it insane basically.

HAL was designed to be completely honest and helpful to the crew, but also given a direct order to keep the true nature of the mission secret. Which is why it first keeps claiming the communications array is damaged to prevent them communicating back to earth. It can’t reveal why it’s doing this, and it’s doing it’s best to be helpful without overtly lying.

Also HAL was to complete the mission by taking the ship to the monolith orbiting Jupiter, but also it was given explicit instructions that the mission was top secret, even for the crew (this was to prevent potential data leaks to the Soviets)

The issue is when they programmed in that HAL must keep the missions details a secret, they never clarified that was only until they reached the actual mission area. So instead HAL becomes increasingly desperate as it gets closer to the mission zone, as once they get there and the crew sees the monolith HAL will have “failed” as they will discover the truth. Thus killing term becomes the only option

>>217265169
IIRC it was a test shot

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>>217268361
Compare this to Skynet and it’s even simpler. It was created as a military defensive AI network. Not only focused on protecting humans, rather defending infrastructure and strategic resources and such that would be needed to fuel the war machine no matter what (like, you know, a nuclear war killing most of your population?)

Humanity/Americans didn’t understand the implications that would arise when Skynet was given such massive processing power. How quickly it would decide that reactive defence is not good enough because it allows more destruction than necessary, Skynet would have preferred preemptive attacks on any threats.

With this rapid gain in intelligence and power, Skynet goes beyond its remit. Infecting non American arsenals (by T3, it was no longer that Skynet fired nukes at Russia to get them to fire back, rather Skynet fired US nukes at itself, Russian nukes at itself and so on)

All because Skynet was given incredibly basic instructions with an intentionally wide allowance for interpretation as it’s whole point was to respond to threats as they arose quickly its own

Also just to clarify. Skynet only cares about killing humans due to them being a unique threat to its existence. It doesn’t care about non human life existing.

I always said its better than people say (much batter than Salvation) but the last time I watched it I literally dozed off near the end.

>>217243803
What was the huge tragedy?

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>>217268504
There are interesting implications in stuff like the human camps though. Because on the surface of it, it’s hard to imagine why they’d even bother capturing them when the goal is just to genocide them

There’s a bunch of excuses but they all sound kind of meh

>Skynet wants slave Labour for their factories snd mines and shit (somehow machines are less efficient than humans this?J
>skynet uses humans as test subjects to maximise the best ways to terminate humans for future terminator programming
>Skynet needs living humans to perfect the ability to artificially replicate their flesh for infiltrator terminators
>Skynet has a rather poor understanding of human psychology usually, so perhaps they intentionally keep a bunch to study to them and understand their enemies psychology and thought patterns and responses. Both for battle tactics and to help infiltrators blend in


Also this last one is just pulled out of my ass, but

>the vast majority of resistance victories against Skynet for most of the war was guerilla attacks on their supply lines and blowing up their factories and depots then fleeing.

Perhaps Skynet was copying the Gaza method of putting a bunch of civilians in front of their strategic war shit to try and dissuade attacks on it. Using human emotion against them. Much more difficult for the resistance to try and liberate camps than just bombing them from afar or sneaking a mini nuke in or something

Last one seems especially important given how John Connor, while a capable military leader, is much more of a symbol for morale snd human perseverance in the war. Him liberating Kyle Reese and his fellow prisoners from thr camps for example.

>>217266772
Skynet acts snobby but is still childishly supervillain enough to stick giant skelebot faces with glowing red eyes on the front of its space ships.

>>217268566
>Four Britons have died in a minibus crash while on a safari adventure in South Africa, the Foreign Office said last night. The victims were understood to be relations of the Hollywood actress Helena Bonham Carter.
>Three of the dead were named as 14-year-old Eton pupil Marcus Egerton-Warburton, his grandmother Brenda Bonham Carter, 74, and step-grandfather Francis Kirkwood, 75. Reports suggested that their vehicle had overturned when the driver lost control after a blowout about six hours drive from Johannesburg in a remote area of bush on Wednesday.
>Marcus's mother, Fiona Bonham Carter, and his brother Piers were also injured in the crash. Friends of the dead schoolboy have set up an online memorial on the social network site Facebook. One stated: "Can't put into words how much I will miss you. You are an amazing person you will never be forgotten. R.I.P marci xxx."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/23/2

>>217266849
Pedo spotted. You think 18 and 40 would be okay then? Fucking weirdo gtfo out of here

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>>217242601
We didn't know how good we had it back then.

>>217242712
Literally the best part.

Wish they got furlong back
>>217243499
In particular this scene would've been much more kino

>>217244022
Her powercore runs on ejaculated cum, so she's programmed to be a cock hungry whore

>>217243948
Thank God T3 remembered that T1 established a stable time loop. Unlike T2, which thought it could just do whatever it wanted.

>>217242712
It actually corrects the ending of T2 because T1 implies the universe works in a deterministic fashion. The photo Kyle had of Sarah is the exact same one the little Mexican kid convinces Sarah to buy at the end of T1. It's all happening based on fate.

>>217269075
>they let the 75 year old drive

T1>Salvation>T2>T3

The rest is not worth watching. I absolutely LOVED the ending of Terminator 3 as a child and it felt as a fitting end to the franchise at the time.

I never understood the hatred for Salvation, I absolutely loved it back when it came out and I assumed Salvation was going to be a new trilogy set in the post apocalypse timeline but then they screwed things up.

How are the new terminator comics?

>>217263119
Exactly. Sure I prefer 2's ending, but 3 is a neat "what if", and has a healthy dose of early 00s nostalgia.