At what point does it become an anime? Is Speed Racer an anime? Is Scooby Doo an anime?
Is Shrek an anime?
>>217259270>Is Speed Racer an anime?Yes? It was literally made in Japan for Japan.
>>217259270Anime just means cartoon there's no true distinction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxab5jLmUpk
>>217259301>>217259398speed racer was made to be sold to America. it was always intended to be an American cartoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lGRAA7D3Y
>>217259444If it has a Christmas episode, it belongs to America
>>217259494Most slice of life anime have a Christmas episode
>>217259744Did I stutter
>>217259270it's anime when it turns people into trannys
>>217259744Toradora is ours, suck it Chang.
>>217259444>speed racer was made to be sold to Americawhat the fuck are you talking aboutit was a manga first, anyway
>>217259289cory in the house is my favorite animay xD
>>217259270>At what point does it become an anime?When its Japanese.>Is Speed Racer an anime? Yes.>Is Scooby Doo an anime?No.
>>217259270if you are talking about when anime started looking like ''anime'', probably the late 60s speed racer was like the last of its kind and it looks pretty western for japs now
>>217260656idk about the manga, but the anime of speed racer was originally created and funded with the intent of selling it to an American TV station. Speed Racer aired literally the same time in the US and japan. it's not like it was made in japan, shown on japanese tv and then adapted like gundam or cowboy bebop. both the japanese and the dub aired the same days in 1967 and 1968 or within a week of each other if there was something throwing off the episodes. the funding for the anime came from the fact they were going to play it in the US
Anime is the Japanese word for animation. In Japan they'll call Scooby Doo and Shrek anime. In the west though the word has been borrowed to mean Japanese animation specifically.
>>217260816no, I'm saying like scooby doo was designed by a japanese man, so is it an anime?thunder cats was animated in japan based on American scripts so are thunder cats and transformers anime?speed racer was animated in japan based on japanese scripts but it only got turned into an anime because the financers realized they could also sell it to the US because car racing show so is speed racer an anime?
>>217260752Is Robotech an anime?Is The Real Ghostbusters an anime? It was animated in Japan.
>>217260874>scooby dooabsolutely not anime. it was only designed by an american-japanese man. totally an american franchise.>thunder catshalf-anime >speed racer100% anime. would you think a hollywood superhero movie is chinese if it wasn't even made without the chinese market? nah
The original transformers has 3 japanese only seasons and 2 OVAs. Is transformers an anime or are only the japanese seasons anime?
>>217261871transformers is complicated but it's essentially a jap-murica co-project
>>217259444Original Title: マッハGoGoGoSource: Manga Studio: Tatsunoko Production (for Fuji TV)Original Creator: Tatsuo YoshidaDirector: Hiroshi SasagawaLanguage: Japanese>American CartoonWhat planet are you on mate?
>>217262855aired in the US before japan
>>217259270no and don't you dare call the most high T cartoon - next to Gerry Anderson toons - anime.
>>217259270The word アニメ (ah-nee-meh) came to Japan from the word "animation," and it means, well, animation or cartoon. In Japan, Scooby-Doo, Spongebob, Tom & Jerry, etc. are all anime (アニメ). Just recently I had a conversation with a Japanese person about an American アニメ they saw but couldn't remember the name of, and it was Big Hero 6. That word looped back around to English to mean Japanese animation, especially with that distinct, Japanese look. Now this meaning is getting muddied as media from other countries like South Korea or China are making media stylized like Japanese animation like Genshin Impact or Solo Leveling.The real answer is that the rules of real language are determined by nothing more than the way it is used and commonly understood. A good example is the word "Octopi." According to the "rules" this isn't a word. "Octopus" is derived from ancient Greek and should be "octopodes" when plural. But there isn't an English speaker on the planet who is going to misunderstand "octopi" or "octopuses," so they're all correct words and only a fucking autistic retard is going to mind the difference.Basically, in English "anime" just means Japanese cartoon if you want to be as autistic as possible about it. In reality, Japanese styled cartoons from Asian countries seems to fit the definition. Many people would probably call a Chinese or Korean cartoon with Japanese-influenced visuals "anime," but if a French cartoon looked the same visually maybe they wouldn't use that word assuming they know the country of origin.I dunno. That's my input, but what the fuck do I know?>>217259289In Japan? Absolutely.
>>217260875This. So many cartoons from the 80s were outsourced to Japan (and Korea). The ones done by TMI retain a lot of anime aesthetics in particular. When your entire show is animated in Japan, does that make it an anime?
>>217262925>Speed Racer (originally Mach GoGoGo) first aired in Japan on Fuji Television from April 1967 to March 1968, with the U.S. dubbed version airing in syndication starting around September 1967, making it an early successful example of anime crossing over to the West.
>>217259270Anime is Japanese for cartoon, therefore the anime must be of Japanese origin, simple as.
>>217263260half the episodes aired in the US before japan >>217263292scooby doo and batman tas
>>217263299>No, Speed Racer (originally Mach GoGoGo) aired in Japan first, from April 1967, but its English-dubbed version quickly followed, premiering in the U.S. in September 1967, making it a major hit and one of the first anime to break through in America by being heavily localized and syndicated, not airing half before Japan, but rather almost concurrently with significant edits for Western audiences.
>>217259270If it’s animated it’s anime, thus off-topic.
>>217259270Do we really want to have this discussion?
>>217263299Japanese Americans making cartoons is not Anime in the same way that African Americans aren't African. Once the burgerpill is consumed, there is no going back.
>>217263342>AI sloppapost proof of toilet and check the wiki, half the episodes have early US air dates, you indian
Family guy is the best anime
>>217259444people just be sayin shit kek
>>217263408blacks aren't American. it's why blacks can never work as captain America, thirdy.
>>217263777Can't find anything to back up what you're saying at all. First air dates are in september in the US. Weird hill to die on considering this is all accessible from a basic google search
>>217263796Cope. Most blacks' ancestors have been in America since the earliest days. They're as American as anyone.
>>217260875what about transformers G1 or GI Joe ?some of that was done in Japan.
>>217263922nope. no one considers them American. they have more in common with the french or german or bongs than Americans>>217263855literally go on the wiki page for the episodes ai jeetI swear to god everyone who uses ai is fucking retarded
>>217263792they literally began production with the plan that it would air in the US as well as japan
>>217263982They speak American English, live in America, are American citizens, and have been in America since its founding, yet they aren't American because...?
>>217264079they have more in common with bongs, frogs, germans and other yuros because like yuros they are not white and not Americanit's why the black captain America movie failed and they need chris evens back
Reminder op is a colossal f/a/ggot who already made this dogshit thread on his troon containment board >>>/a/285191436
>>217260752>>217260875>Is Robotech an anime?Yes, its based on Japanese media and it had japs working on it.>>217260875>Is The Real Ghostbusters an anime? It was animated in Japan.No. The Japs played no part in its content they just animated what they were told. It would be like saying The Simpsons is Korean.
>>217264009>as well as japanOk it's an anime.
>>217259270Largest distinction is where the storyboard was designed.If it's designed in the west, it's a cartoon. If it's designed in the east, it's anime.
>>217264665you wear your mom's clothes and your uncle molested you >>217264873is transformers an anime?
>>217260842>the funding for the anime came from the fact they were going to play it in the USWhat funding? The show looked cheaper than a standard episode of Wacky Racers.
>>217260851exactly lol, its basically their word for "cartoon"
>>217265188that's all 60s cartoons>but what about muh loony tunes or tom and jerryusually any time an old cartoon pre like 80s has good animation it's because that cartoon was originally shown in movie theaters and then was later put in a tv series made up of movie theater shorts
>>217265276Don't fucking educate me like I'm a zoomer. I'm well aware of how cheap television animation was at the time. I'm just pointing out that no budget was needed, unless you're implying Japan couldn't even afford cels or paint.
>>217265764japan was poor as shit, zoom zoom
>>217259270The whole anime/cartoon distinction is stupid and redundant to start with. But to answer your question OP, anime is a Japanese cartoon made for a Japanese audience. So stuff like Thundercats or Frosty The Snowman doesn't count.
>It was always meant to be an american cartoon>which is why it was originally a manga only read by Japsok
>>217266008they only made it into an anime because they planned to also air it on American tv
There's no such thing as an anime becoming a cartoon but you do have anime that are American adjacent or at least Western adjacent. One example being the influential and iconic Lupin III which is basically a mix Arsene Lupin, James Bond, and Mad Magazine. Older anime in general have a blatant and noticeable influence from American cartoons because that's what a lot of those creators back then were pulling from. The Japanese grew up on Disney, Looney Tunes, and Tom & Jerry. They didn't have a proper functioning animation industry until the 1960's and by that point the only influence guys like Osamu Tezuka had were the American cartoons and comics that he grew up with. Nowadays it's much different since the Japanese people who make anime now just copy whatever shitty anime they were watching 15 years ago and no longer have an attachment to the foreign entertainment that once inspired them and instead are unironically inspired by garbage like SAO isekai slop and mediocre post-DBZ battle shounens
>>217265904Is this bait?
Why are you so insistent on Speed Racer being an American show, OP? It's a manga adaptation (anime) through and through, penned by the author of Casshern and Gatchaman. I'd rather argue for example that Bionic Six is a cartoon with Japanese anime production value, as it has famous names of the industry working on it but was specifically made for the US.
>>217266122You're not understanding the fact that the concept wasn't made with American audiences in mind though. Saying >if we made an adaption it could play well in America doesn't change the fact that the creation of the property itself wasn't made specifically for Americans. It was literally created by a guy who just liked fast cars and wrote a story for other Japs who like fast cars. The idea of an anime adaption or marketing towards an American audience is an afterthought.
>>217266217>with Japanese anime production valueWhat does this statement even mean.
>>217266217>Casshern and GatchamanBoth of those shows are a million times more watchable than Speed Racer if I'm being honest. Speed Racer doesn't even hold up if you try watching it now.
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>>217266239It means that for Bionic Six they contracted an established Japanese anime studio with a director of 30 years experience at that point to produce their specifically American show, as opposed to Street Sharks for example which had low tier franco-american cartoon that was focused more on toy peddelling than a plot.
>>217266351>established Japanese anime studiowhich one
>>217266186are you unaware of World War 2? also the 1960s were before the US forced the nips to strengthen the yen so USD were worth a lot of yen
>>217266217I never watched bionic 6>>217266258>speed racer doesn't hold up
>>217266576>speed racer doesn't hold upIt really doesn't unless you like corny one dimensional adventures featuring characters with zero personality and cute animal sidekick characters created for the sole purpose of attracting 5 year olds since there's no other reason why a monkey would exist in a fucking racing story. It doesn't hold up. Trying watching it again especially with that awful dub.
>>217259270>Is Speed Racer an animeWhat sort of retarded question is this? It always has been and is quintessential anime. It set the standard for mocking Japanese cartoons. Everyone parodied it.
>>217266643Even other anime from around the same time were more capable of telling more engaging and complex stories with darker themes than Speed Racer... and even then they also had a cute animal character randomly for some reason. It's actually funny how out of place they are in most of these old anime.
>>217259309Globohomolist
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>>217259270Speed Racer (Mach GoGoGo) is an anime. Scooby-Doo is not.>>217259289No.>>217260875Robotech is transformative enough to be a cartoon. TRGB is a cartoon.>>217261871The Japanese seasons are anime.>>217263948Co-productions where the creative direction is helmed outside of Japan is not anime.>>217266217>Bionic SixCartoon
>>217266771>Co-productions where the creative direction is helmed outside of Japan is not anime.unless it looks like anime in which case it IS anime. If a Japanese anime studio makes something that looks like anime, then it's anime. Anime studios have also done animation for plenty of American cartoons such as Batman and Animaniacs but they don't look like anime so we don't consider them anime. It's not rocket science. If it looks like anime and was made in Japan, it's an anime.
>>217266643he's a wrench monkey, you retarded zoomer
>>217266551Are you blind, nigger? I literally just posted an image of an anime made before the 60s. America was putting money into Japan shortly after the War wrapped up and by the 60s they were already animating their own shows like pic related. Stop trying to rewrite history.
>>217266822>You're a zoomer for stating a fact about a thing in a 60 year old anime that I've obviously seen before LMAO you're forgetting one thing, retard. The "wrench monkey" is not a unique thing to Speed Racer since characters like that were heavily common trope in anime of the time. Also NOTHING you just said has anything to do with my original statement of saying Speed Racer does not hold up. That's because it doesn't hold up. Clarifying an obvious joke is not the dunk you think it is
>>217266821Anime is not an art style. An American helmed cartoon that “looks like anime” is not anime. Neo Yokio is a cartoon.
>>217266896>I literally just posted an image of an anime made before the 60sIt wasn't made before the 60's, it was made in the 60's. The character existed a decade prior, but the anime wasn't created until the following decade.
>>217260842Very interesting. Genuinely. Have a Mammoth Car.
>>217266906>Anime is not an art styleIt literally is though. There's variations of it, but it does objectively have a distinctive style that is separate from Western animation. >Neo Yokio is a cartoon.It's an anime inspired cartoon. The staff are all Americans
The real tough calls are Tekkon Kinkreet, The Mysteries Cities of Gold, and the Adult Swim co-productions (FLCL sequels, Rick and Morty: The Anime).
>>217266896retard>>217266901sure thing there, zoom zoom
Extremely curry scented thread.
>>217266975then leave and take your curry sent with you
>>217266975>Extremely curry scented thread.prove it. Name one example.
>>217266968Produced by Production IG and Deen. No, the staff are not “all Americans”. But, it was creatively helmed in America, so regardless of what it looks like it’s a cartoon.By contrast, stuff like Super Milk Chan and Gregory Horror Show, which doesn’t “look like anime” is anime.
>>217266939>>217266974I was referring to >>217266186 dipshits. Lurk moar.
Anime (Japanese word) is just all animation. Some autists like Miyazaki will distinguish between Douga Eiga but nobody else cares.Anime (the english loan word) is a replacement for the term “Japanimation” and has a much more specific meaning.Unless you are willing to call Rudolph or Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island anime, you have standards. The proper standard is the creative helm. The improper standard is aesthetic, which begs the question why does Platonic Chain count as anime but not RWBY.
>>217267013>Produced by Production IG and Deen. No, the staff are not “all Americans”When I said staff, I was talking about outside of the animation. That should have been obvious. The people who wrote, storyboarded, directed, and voiced the characters are Americans. That's why I said it's an Anime inspired cartoon.
>>217267166Reread that image 5 more times slowly.
>>217267174>south koreait's not an anime if the bulk of it wasn't done in-house in Japan. That's my stance.
>>217267107sure thing there, tranny boi
>>217267205Here let me help.And no, it isn’t anime, despite the attempt at “the anime style”. My point is judging by aesthetics creates too many false positives outside of Japan, and too many negatives inside Japan. The aesthetic isn’t the point.
>>217266969Another fucky one, and one of my favorite edge cases, is Magical Destroyers.>Creater, character designer, and creative helm was born in Japan>Moved to America when he was in elementary school>Became a burger through and through, no accent, got into hip hop and street art>Moved back to Japan as an adult, became known as an artist, got a chance to turn one of his exhibits into an anime
>>217267228>specifies about animation being primarily done in Japan>highlights storyboard>following statement literally says the animation was carried out in South KoreaI think you misread me this time. >My point is judging by aesthetics creates too many false positives outside of Japan, and too many negatives inside Japan. The aesthetic isn’t the point.How about this. Instead of arguing about what arbitrary things technically make something an anime or not an anime, how about we establish what is and isn't an anime specifically by naming shows.
>>217267430>I think you misread me this time.Am I being gaslighted? Let’s see:>>217267166>The people who wrote, STORYBOARDED, directed, and voiced the characters are Americans. (False)>ArbitraryCreative helmsmanship is hardly arbitrary.>Name showsOk, Gregory Horror Show, Super Milk Chan, Platonic Chain, Flying Lunar Clipper, Poppee the Performer, etc is anime. Teen Titans, Ben 10, Castlevania, RWBY, Neo Yokio, and the many anime lookalike Chinese and Korean films are not anime.
>>217267525>Ok, Gregory Horror Show, Super Milk Chan, Platonic Chain, Flying Lunar Clipper, Poppee the Performer, etc is anime. Teen Titans, Ben 10, Castlevania, RWBY, Neo Yokio, and the many anime lookalike Chinese and Korean films are not animewe are in agreement here so I don't where exactly the differences stem from. I still maintain that if something looks like anime and is fully animated by a Japanese studio, it is an anime as long as it has at least person in any sort of creative position that is Japanese.
>>217267611You’re not being consistent with what “looks like anime”. The aesthetic argument has been throughly rebutted. I’m not even bringing out the big guns with Japanese art films and sand-based stop motion animation. Anime is not a style, it’s a national industry. Any attempt at aping the median aesthetics of anime outside of that system is anime-inspired cartooning.
Is the dub of Ghost Stories an anime? If so, is Dragon Ball Z Abridged?
>>217267755Honestly no and no. Most dubs are anime, Ghost Stories is not.
>>217266730>>217266720>>217266711>>217266692where do you get these images?
>>217267755Yes and no. Ghost Stories was officially licensed whereas from what I understand DBZ Abridged had to fight to stay alive because of legal issues before giving up.
>>217259270is the movie worth watching
>>217266709Japan is one of the most globohomo countries on the planet. Totally dependant on international trade, supports WEF, hosts muttoid based, ally of Israel.
>>217267867Yes, their best non-matrix movie, doesn’t matter if you care about the show.
>>217267880you're a thirdy and global homo comes from yurop. france and belgium invented the blacked shit and germany invented trannies
>>217268269>No,you're a thirdy. you live in a brown, third world shithold. you're a third worlder and you can't help but seethe about it because you know I'm right and that you are a thirdy>It comes it comes from the brown third world country of yurop> can't stopinvented by france and belgium. the average yuropean man sucks over 400 black dicks in his life time>What began as an artistic interest grew to a society-wide, mass fetish in France in the aftermath of World War I,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negrophiliayuros literally have not stopped worshiping blacks for the last 100 years>Historicallygermany invented trannies and had tranny licenses because yurop is a brown global homo third world country
>>217268529>Your handsnope. you're a thirdy. cope. I ain't readin all your gay ass thirdy shit. no one is impressed with yurop. everyone knows you're brown, third world and gay
anime is just the japanese word for cartoons
>>217259270>try to find that clip where shaggy and scooby doo get into mecha armor suits with gatling guns and gun down a bunch of robots>instead find this>there was an actual comic where a hitler youth kid infiltrated in an attempt to convert kids to nazism>this was in a 2018 scooby doo comicwhat
>>217259455God Japs were such communistic retards back in the 50s and 60s.Why the fuck would you replace the instrumental with your crappy redneck mandolin? Not even Wonder Over Yonder's intro sounds so bad. Horrible choirs.
>>217263292>>217263214The word animé comes from French you mentally retarded millennials and gen-Zers.The word animé comes from French you mentally retarded millennials and gen-Zers.The word animé comes from French you mentally retarded millennials and gen-Zers.Don't talk to me or my son ever again.The word animé comes from French you mentally retarded millennials and gen-Zers.The word animé comes from French you mentally retarded millennials and gen-Zers.The word animé comes from French you mentally retarded millennials and gen-Zers.>Basically, in English "anime" just means Japanese cartoon if you want to be as autistic as possible about it. You mean if you want to be normal you'll call it Japanese cartoons like a normal person, but what would a neckbeard like you give a fuck about being viewed and accepted as normal and intelligent outside of your neckbeard circles? Just like Discord trannies think it's normal to have pronouns in your username and think it's acceptable to accept LGBTQs instead of demonizing them for the freaks of nature and mentally ward patients that they are.
Telling you queers again:It's the storyboards.Japs essentially treat manga like their story boards. The real question you should be asking is what the difference is between manga and comics.Anime is animated manga. But Cartoons is not animated comics.
>>217270572Not all anime are manga adaptations.
>>217270856You're right. But the methodology overlaps heavily, and the Japanese are particularly robust at transitioning storyboards to animation.Which is a major factor in why animation studios outsource to them as frequently as they do. But at its core, the difference is who originally wrote the storyboard, not who animated it.
>>217261871How about OG Voltron?
>>217267867>watch Speed Racer in theaters>IMAX>I'm on mushroomsIt was K I N O
Anime just means "cartoons made in Japan". Nothingmore. If the whole production was done in Japan it's anime. If just the animation was done in Japan then it's still anime.
