can someone explain what made this scene so good? why do the gunshots sound so powerful and why is it so intense?and why can't anyone do it again?
they trained for it properlythey used the on-set audio of the guns firing blanks or whatever, not sound effects in post
>>217260441>can someone explain what made this scene so good?Combination of the buildup, the location, the realism, and the number of extras. Also, it stands out since the movie that surrounds it is not an action movie, but a drama.>why do the gunshots sound so powerful and why is it so intense?I'm pretty sure they used the actual gunshots that were recorded during filming instead of inserting new ones in.>and why can't anyone do it again?Hollywood gatekeeping talent.
It wasn't THAT good, still to this day can't understand what is all the fuss aboutt. gun fag
>>217260542Filtered
>>217260441They used live rounds and 0 practical or special effects. Can't make movies like that anymore since Baldwin ruined it.
>>217260542it is very good, but the reason it stands out more today is because they rarely use blanks or squibs these days so you get very fake looking shootouts. i also think because the scene and context is quite grounded, which helps with the authenticity. contrast that with something like the latest john wick
>>217261156also since they shot it all live the acoustics were amazing, you cant replicate the echoing off buildings like that
for me its when he goes from all smiles to getting in on in .5 seconds
Modern Hollywood finds guns icky and won't even use real guns with blank adaptation anymore, because a lot of celebrities refuse to use them and would have their character not use guns if they could.
>>217260441Simple tactics and manual of arms demonstration. Great sound capturing the echoing through the plaza. But it completely shits itself with Pacino receiving zero flak for cowboy 1 man SWAT hostage headshot bullshit. Ending needs the tension of him throwing caution to the wind while he's still not suspended or worse.
>>217260511Do celebrities actually hold on to any of the skills they learn while making movies? Excluding Keanu Reeves
>>217260441this film is amazing if you fast forward any time there's a woman on screen
They move and cover themselves like an actual gunfight.Now they just send actors to flat range 3 gun faggots like Taran Tactical and every scene is just them shooting several guys at point blank like John Wick.
>>217260441its notthe entire movie is a horrid soap operaautistic gun fags jizz over this because the gun go boom and they like reload right or something gay
It's a test case that good movie-making is like 90% sound and music design.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YTrCeCfcxY
>>217262177Tom Cruise >that behind the scenes collateral stuff where cruise in character pretends to be a deliveryman and has like a 30 min lunch convo with some random without anyone realizing it was tom cruise
>>217260542>t. gun fagName a better film shootout then
>>217262172But why does it sound different than war movies (even set in middle east)? It's got sound DESIGN unlike police body cam.
>>217260542Poor excuse for a gun fag thenIs there really no one ITT who knows it's based on this?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
>>217262280NTA but any one of the shootouts in Hard Boiled are better. Especially the warehouse and the hospital.
>>217263195Was going to mention this. That incident among a few others in the 90s are what caused the militarization of the police.
>>217263330the militarization of police is due to Black gang bangers with Uzis along with Black rioters
>>217263330>That incident among a few others in the 90s are what caused the militarization of the police.>>217263872>the militarization of police is due to Black gang bangers with Uzis along with Black riotersthe 1033 program started under HW Bush in the 90s...but it wasn't until 9/11 and the surplus of shit left over from our 'war on terror' that things went wonky
>>217260441>literally meI do this while I wait for mother in walmart parking lot.
>>2172604411. Mann is an autism2. Actors love theater-style gun school that Mann wants them to take>>2172605223. They used real audio but it picks up this big echo from the huge surrounding buildings to really add depth to the sounds. There's no tight cutoff even compared to regular gunshot sounds let alone sterile foley shits.
>>217260511>>217264299>hollywood sound editors don't have compression and reverb pluginsgrim.
>>217263195who knows that a 1997 shootout inspired a 1995 movie? probably some insane time travelling schizo
>>217264363i dont know how a hollywood sound editor would even know how to design such an authentic audio space without just going into downtown and firing some guns
Heat is really overrated. It's not bad or anything but it's not anything special but people talk about it like it's an all time classic action movie
>>217264514it is an all time classic action scene with an all time great ensemble cast but like people have been saying it's not an action movie. It's sort of an outlier in the heist genre. Mann liked to ride that line back in the old days.
>>217264514all the Natalie Portman shit was pointless and unnecessaryYou could cut it out of the movie and no one would notice
>>217264160That isn't true. How long do you think it took for surplus war on terror supplies to be made available to domestic law enforcement? The late 2000s? The militarization of the police in the 90s was a direct response to a lot of high profile incidents as well as the police being outgunned by criminals.
>>217264627There needed to be some placeholder kid that he was shown being a terrible father to.
>>217264378but was the incident inspired by the movie heat?
>>217260441It’s actually a shit scene because you can’t keep track of who’s where and who’s shooting who. It’s just loud. Cringe ass Reddit scene for fags that like posting shit like>fun fact, they show Val Kilmer reloading in army basic training No one gives a fuck.
>>217264687no that was inspired by meth and maybe predator 2
>>217264514It has Pacino and DeNiro talking together before the two of them sold-out and became trash. Boomers were easily excited by movies and tv back then.
>>217264709really?
>>217264687that doesn't matter, blud commited blunder
>>217263195so happy for youtube so that you browns can live through videos and not become menaces to society.
>>217260441Any webm requests?
>Onset audio of gunsReally? They sounded like they were being fired in a gun range to me. I'd expect them to be a bit more quiet out in the open.
>>217263195kino https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cTlPFxfx5s
Reminder that Hollywood enables aping of its criminal behavior through its films.
>>217262228based soundtrackI'm glad I found this movie here.
>>217264514>people talk about it like it's an all time classic action movieIt is. This reddit-schtick of Heat hating is really gay. You zoomers and homos need to stick to Marvel slop.
>>217264687They had the VHS apparently
>>217264696I give a fuck
>>217265007movie blanks used to be notoriously loud precisely because of onset audio, however audio equipment got better, most sounds were added in post but philosophy behind production of blanks stayed the same
>>217260441>can someone explain what made this scene so good?The guys who made it explain why.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW0yebyGk-8
>>217265007>I'd expect them to be a bit more quiet out in the open.See: >>217266087
>>217260737Truly. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bne1xN1popo&t=5s&pp=ygUVVW5jbGUgT0pJIG5ha2VkIHJpZmxl0gcJCU0KAYcqIYzv
>>217260441>explain what made this scene so good? They did a pretty good job showing that the crew had done some training and understood the basic concepts of fire and maneuver. Most gunfights never did that in film.>why do the gunshots sound so powerfulThey used blanks and recorded them for the film.
>>217262133He had to get it on. They were about to make a move.
>>217262177>Do celebrities actually hold on to any of the skills they learnOf course. However, without constant training, skills deteriorate over time.
>>217264696Miserable fag
>>217267849On a serious note, I’ve been going full Waingro mode lately, and it’s great. …my general aesthetic. Not the whole “murdering brown hookers” bit.
>>217267925>Not the whole “murdering brown hookers” bit.You gotta' step it up, brother.
so what's the deal with firing blanks on set now. do they still do it? or did the alec baldwin fiasco ruin everything. im thinking of that strange things clip where the girl is firing a gun and it looks completely retarded.
>>217268042Practical effects on general need to make a return. Squibs and blanks most especially. I’m tired of this ultra-soft, homosexual safety culture in its entirety, but film should be extra-unsafe.“Uhhhhh blanks aren’t safe. It needs to be safe uhhhhhh.”I want actors to bleed for their craft. They get paid enough.
>>217268042The point is they nearly always (before Heat and after it) replace the sound of things like gunshots in editing, with fake foley sound effects. They even did this in Heat at first during production, but Michael Mann and others in the sound crew said no, that sounds like shit, put the original production sound back.The blanks they fire on set aren't usually for the sound, they're for the smoke and flash and slight recoil so it looks more natural than just holding a gun and saying "bang" when you pull the trigger. Baldwin didn't fire a blank, he fired a real bullet. But blanks can still kill you if you put the gun barrel right against someone a la Brandon Lee.
>>217262280Way of the gun (2000)
>>217260441They employed some SAS guy for choreographing this scene as I remember.
>>217268419>some SAS guyTwo.
>>217260441because you touch yourself at night
>>217263195I'd crash out too if I had that many vowels in my name, to say nothing about all the shit on top of the letters
>>217268371Way of the gun has some good choices in guns and occasionally in how they're used but it's far more Hollywood action movie than the Heat shootout. It's like a modern interpretation of a western for how the big shootout goes. Bringing one extra mag in a jacket pocket and then wasting it hip firing into a wall isn't on the same level as the shoot and scoot suppressive fire and foresight of concealing a full combat load of 5.56 under a suit jacket. Way of the Gun is cool though, don't get me wrong they're just not really comparable as for why they're cool.
>>217267925>Not the whole “murdering brown hookers” bityou're not getting it on
>>217264627The boring shit elevates the action. If it was only action the movie would be boring
>>217264363They do, just like almost every single household in America has paintbrushes. But just because you have the tools doesn't mean you know how to use them. I don't expect hollywood sound editors to know how to replicate the sound of a shootout in a downtown corridor surrounded by skyscrapers anymore than I expect the average homeowner to know to to pull off convincing object source lighting for example.
>>217261156yes anon they fired off hundred and hundreds of round of live ammunition on the streets of downtown LA at extras, props and buildings
>>217269377that's just how we did things back in the day
>>217262228this extends to anything that involves sound and image, Bloodborne is an excellent game but the audio effects on weapons and enviroments is dogshit.
>>217269377what did you think the LA riots were about?
