Have you experienced this?
>>217266152Rewatching 80s and 90s movies, Hollywood's obsession with Nazis and Islamic terrorists was a bit sus, in hindsight.But that's about it.
>>217266259This and watching any film to do with aliens or space travel. The only good ones are 2001 and Alien.
>>217266152Lots of old sci-fi, especially Star Trek and Asimov novels, assumes the future will be this post-racial utopia dominated by reason and emotional stoicism.
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>>217266152Kingdom of Heaven
>>217266308Never happened, chud.
>>217266259>But that's about it
>>217266331Jews getting cocky always ends bad for them.
>>217266308Do Americans fucking really?? Lmao
Rewatching Léon made me realize it's so incredibly pedo coded. Luc probably nutted every single day of the production that he got away with it and even gets international acclaim for it.
>>217266445Could it be made today?
>>217266152>watch Powder>wow, this is really gay>why does the kid undress himself all the time>why are there multiple shower scenes>look director up>its the jeepers creepers rapist guy
>>217266308SAAAAR the islamic fighters we helped really wanted democracy and women in schools!?!? they were totally differenet than taliban! believe me saar! nobody does? damn change the text
>>217266152>Lethal Weapon's uber boner for the NRA...
>>217266308>>217266427Make up shit? Yeah all the time
There was alot of AIDS ISNT THAT BAD GUISE in nearly all children's media in the 80s/90s. From a modern lens it's the earliest pro gay propaganda.
>>217266152only actual boomers don't notice the story as a medium of education and shaping of narrativeit actually ruins a lot of classics when you go into it with the idea of spotting what they were trying to push onto people at that time, when you were younger you just saw cool action scenes and some funny one liners, later down the line you start to spot the bullshit in plain sight and the movie feels differentstrong female lead: alien 1black and white camaraderie: predatorinterracial relationships: predator 1 and 2butch bull dyke being a girl boss: alien 4white men being portrayed as emotionless robots or incompetent: alien 3-4watch movies from 1990 to modern day and spot how they portray white men who don't look like they bumped their nose to a door, you can see them slowly turning it up to white guys being either brainless football player types, weak nerdy types or just plain incompetent fyodor dostojevski posited the idea of literature (media in general) as a form of education way back when and some people took the idea and ran with itever since stories were told to teach moral and societal lessons to kid through word of mouth was a thing it has only gotten worse over the years the way they warped that into indoctrination
>>217266259Aye. Hella sus. Amogus.
>>217266152When I was young I used to think the size of the houses in 80s/90s sitcoms and family movies were normal sized and that my home and everyone I knew were just poor
>>217266326This is a really bloated and shitty movie that has seen a resurgance in popularity specifically because of badass sigma male edits on tiktok and instagram. I wonder how many tradcath zoomers forced themselves to watch that piece of shit expecting based King Leper King only to get a lame ass "FUCK GEORGE BUSH" allegory
>>217266290yet most people in old trek shows are whitehmmmm
>>217267258powder and creepers 1 and 2 are good movies though. in that descending order though...
Band of Brothers is a big one for me, especially after reading the book it’s based on and seeing all the “additions”.
>>217266152The most powerful medium for dispensing propaganda and directing human behavior at the time would have never been used to do so you incel freak
>>217269365AIDS was this weird intersection of 1) scary, weird, new death sentence disease and 2) oh, shit, only the fags are getting it. So the propaganda had to be about how you’re a bigot if you’re afraid of catching literal death from people and, also, literally anyone can have it through no fault of their own (yes, even you). This made the agenda super schizophrenic. Hell, I remember an episode of ER where I dude caught it from someone else’s blood after a scrape at a basketball game. Fucking sure thing, Hollywood. Totally.
>>217269365>>217269556This is right, it was an intentionally thing to play down fears over it AND make it a not gay disease. There was a concerted effort to make movies/tv shows about specifically straight people and children having AIDS as a way to show that it can happen to anyone. There were also fears that if you so much breathed the same air as someone with AIDS you could contract it, or if you touched them and sweat from their hand got on your hand, you could absorb AIDS that way (these were both common misconceptions at the time)The reality is that you can only contract AIDS through penetrative sex, or when someone sticks their penis into you. This means straight men have exactly zero chance of contracting it sexually, and gay men who are bottoms are the most likely to contract it. The only way a woman could contract it is if a man who had been sexually penetrated had sex with her. btw the guy in charge of this propaganda push was Anthony Fauci lol. He was a sort of arch villain in the leftist community at the time because despite all of this, he was seen as doing nothing and letting gay men die (in this disease that totally isnt exclusively gay btw!)
>>217266152something broke inside of me when I catched one of the few black guys in Seinfeld call Jerry a "white guy"
>>217269819jews are white to black guys and most brown people so that is accurate. Jews are just a subset of white like Italians or Irish ect.
>>217269833nice try, Schlomo
rewatch some old episode of Rugrats. show is fucking disgusting and oddly sexual
>>217266290because reason and emotional stoicism are what's necessary for casual spaceflight, anon.
>>217269833Jews are brown, Moishe
>>217269861>/pol/fag is perplexed, angered and irate when confronted with the truth that liberals hate Israel because of what they perceive as pro-white racism and imperialism instead of daddy Hitler's insane rants
>>217269282read a book, friend
>>217269440As classic media gets older and the Current Thing of yesteryear becomes more alien to modern audiences, those examples become more interesting. e.g. the bimetalism shit from the original Wizard of Oz book getting muddied because ruby slippers were more vibrant on new color film than silver slippers
>>217266152i adored al bundy when i was young, and obviously its anti-feminism would never fly today, but aside from that it was as much on the nose of a degeneracy, anti-natalism and white loserism psyop as possible. unsurprisingly, the show's creators were a kike and a negro.
>>/pol/fag is perplexed, angered and irate when confronted with the truth that liberals hate Israel because of what they perceive as pro-white racism and imperialism instead of daddy Hitler's insane rants
>>217270155Books are for fagsYou got played by a bad shoop, moron
>>217266152Yeah I went back and researched season 1 of dr who recently and Rose's black boyfriend died and I think it's really preachy and woke that they had to stop and make commentary about how black people die first in horror movies. Total eyeroll.
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>/pol/fag responds with wojaks and even replies to himself
>>217266152Yes
More from Teen Titans
>>217270351>bad shoopHave you actually watched Rambo III on the original VHS release? Again, read a book, friend.
>>217270622Have you? You are repeating shit you saw on the Internet without a shred of research. People have checked old sealed VHS copies from the 80s, and they all say "gallant people of Afghanistan". Original reviews from the 80s mention the "gallant people of Afghanistan" dedication. No mention at all about a Mujahideen dedication until the early 2010s when someone made the shooped image. No one has ever been able to find an actual copy of the film, VHS, 35 mm scan whatever, that includes a Mujahideen dedication. You are a moron.Your attached image highlights your mental retardation even more, thinking it contains any relevant information at all. No one says that US interests weren't aligned with those of the Mujahideen, that's what the whole fucking movie is about.>OMG Osama was once ally now not!!! I am very smartWow such amazing new information, at least it was when 14 year olds discovered it in 2001. The dedication at the end of Rambo III was still made out to the gallant people of Afghanistan. Also the Taliban and the Mujahideen are not the same even if people pretend like they are.
>>217266152>that webmhorseshoe theory strikes again
>>217270830>but it was deboonked!redditor detected. Too bad that I've seen it. It was embarrassing since the movie was filmed in Israel, so there was probably some attempts to sweep in under the rug in recent years.
>>217270961Sure you did, pal. Just like you saw the cornucopia and the braces, huh? Imagine having such a weak and impressionable mind you let a bad shoop dictate your memories.
>>217270914why does this retard draw herself looking like a Damascus goat.
you can literally fucking torrent the version he’s talking about you snide fucking kike. god sybau
>Watch The American President>Michael Douglas gives a big speech about taking the guns away.>Laugh my ass off thinking about Rob Reiner getting stabbed to death 30 years later.
>>217270147>lib goes on a hysterical and delusional rant when informed that jews are a semitic race and not white
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>>217269365You're right. Every kid's show and sitcom in the early 90s had a "Very Special Episode" where some never before seen kid would show up and we'd find out he had AIDS. Other people would want to run the kid out of town, but the star of the show would be understanding and teach us that you can't catch AIDS from touching someone with it. They never went on to tell us that kid would probably be dead in a year or two. They never told us that gay men spread it to everyone.
>>217271139Give me the magnet link then, fucker. All you assholes ever do is talk.
>>217271237Even today they tell kids the propaganda that you can get HIV from vaginal sex.
>>217269365Nowadays, it's all PreP.
>>217271313Do they? That's awful. I was definitely taught that, but I went through sex ed a long time ago. I'm actually a nurse practitioner now and have looked up the statistics on that, and it's virtually impossible. Same thing for catching Hep C that way. It's also hard to catch Hep C through anal sex. That one is an IV drug use mostly.
>>217271385They assert that then drug makers can market PreP to sodomite enjoyers. Making sex a commercial enterprise.
>>217271276want me to wipe your ass too? fuck off dipshit
>>217269819Caught
I can't watch WWII movies in general since becoming redpilled. They don't even try to hide their bias.
>All right, check it, let me tell you this in closin'>I know we might seem imposin'>But trust me, if we ever show in your section>Believe me, it's for your own protection>'Cause we see things that you need not see>And we be places that you need not be>So go with your life, forget that Roswell crap>Show love to the black suit, 'cause that's the Men in>That's the Men in
>>217272073I don't think you can manage to wipe your own ass
>>217271313wtf is this actually true or just another retard myth from anons? My whole life I thought AIDS is sex disease not gay disease
yes a few but not enough to ruin it for me. I can't watch anything modern however. roughly about 2008 is the cut off point, everything after is just so bad and i'm talking EVERYTHING. anime, music, film, television, games. after that 2008 point it takes a complete nosedive. it's like a new timeline began where everything is shit. obviously there are a handful of exceptions up until maybe 2012 but it's shocking how that specific point on time turned everything to complete shit.
a lot of cartoons had what would be reminiscent of DEI episodes. Like I can't even count how many. Project mockingbird never stopped
>>217272380You can very well catch HIV from a woman if you fuck her in the ass. Maybe if straight people had as much unprotected anal sex with as many strangers as gays do, the numbers would be similar, but the fact is they don't.The official number for catching HIV from a woman's pussy is 1 in 2000. But then if you start to look into it, it seems the cases where people catch it, they or the woman already had other, visible, active STDs. And it is not really clear how you could catch HIV from vaginal sex without some nasty legions or pus already being there. So if you and the girl are clean, just visually, I don't think there is any realistic chance, maybe 1 in a million. Not sure if it's ever been proven that transmission can even happen that way.
>>217270106post hand with timestamp, rajesh
>>217266152>like Miami Vice '06>rewatch it>most of the movie is spent killing White supremacists even though the plot is about a Colombian drug cartel
I'm glad I don't have the chud brain cancer so I can continue enjoy the television and film I enjoyed previously.
>>217270445>>217270475how is this propaganda? this is all true
>>217272380HIV is spread through the blood. When a man fucks an asshole the asshole gets a ton of micro-tears that bleed all over his dick. The vagina is built for sex and is far more durable and less likely to tear. It can still happen but it’s lower risk.
>>217266152>Gran Torino Used to be one of my favorite movies growing up. Then I re watched it recently because my wife had never seen it. It was still okay but I didn’t realize how lazy the writers were making Walt’s family so unbelievably awful. They went so over the top making his kids and grandkids insufferable.
>>217272766your lib brain cancer makes you think that us making a meme about noticing it means we are completely despondent and unable to enjoy anything containing it
>>217272842The premise of the thread is literally just that. Being a special snowflake chud triggered by fairly innocent shit like >>217270475
>>217272807ah, that makes more sense. In my retardation I forgot that it spreads through blood
>>217266152Not in a TV show or Movie but holy shit replaying Mass Effect you realize just how much Globalist propaganda it is.
>>217269440The most insidious has been the jock/nerd dichotomy, because generations of goyim now believe that you are either attractive or good, that you have to be missing something. They cannot allow inequality, so the better someone is in one respect the worse he must be in another, and so ugliness and weakness must be 'balanced' by an inherent goodness and intelligence. This, of course, is absolute nonsense.Real studies find correlations between attractiveness and health, and between physical and mental disability. Blonde people have the highest IQ on average, Hollywood inverted that as well.
>>217269365https://youtu.be/f3xUjw2BCYE
>>217272931>Blonde people have the highest IQ on averageCan I see your source on this?
I don't think the AIDS shit was gay propaganda. I think AIDS needed a level of acceptance as the number of AIDS patients reached such an extent that society no longer could afford to treat these people as outcasts. If anything all that AIDS people are also people shit only raised awareness of the AIDS disease. I sure as fuck never heard of it as a kid before then.
>>217272949>Can I see your source on this?http://www.accessecon.com/Pubs/EB/2016/Volume36/EB-16-V36-I1-P42.pdf
>>217266152No, it's a pathological syndrome of overtuned pattern recognition that is ultimately rooted in resentment, not reality. The real world you live in is more complex than any irrationally constructed ideals you feel were arbitrarily taken from you, regardless of the fact that there do in fact exist various groups and individuals that want cultural changes that you may rightly perceive as deleterious.Litmus test: Is Mr. T woke?
>>217272996You can see the standard deviations overlap and the actual mean differences are low and within margin of error. Not to mention this is measuring a very specific group of boomer Americans and does NOT factor in confounders such as income level and height (which implies well fed childhood). This paper is not scientific. It's merely just throwing some data together which is very typical of studies in the realm of Humanities sadly.
>>217272783Propaganda to him just means "uncomfortable thing I don't like because it makes me realize I have no personality or identity beyond unintentional group affiliation"This is equally true for trannies and chuds, they're always two sames of the same resentful, responsibility-avoidant coin.
>every judge/doctor/polcie chief is black>jewish character and special episode dedicated to judaism in every show
>>217271156thanks for this one, didn't know the series but now I know
>>217272380I mean it used to be called GRIDExtreme political correctness has covered up a lot of research about AIDS due to the uncomfortable nature of it's origin and spread. There is even theories that HIV isn't even the cause of it but just unhealthy lifestyles of the gay community being party animals fucking their immune system overtime, especially with popular drugs in that community like poppers.
>>217269365>>217269556>>217269809>>217271237Strangely today (and for the last few years I guess), liberal extremists now try to downplay aids for some reason. Like, >HIV is totally not that bad, guys, you can have unprotected sex with heroin using drag queens, don't be a bigot!My only guess is because it marginalizes fags and niggers and rightfully so
>>217273647You can see the same thing more recently with monkeypox. It was being hyped up as the next big spooky virus, then kids and dogs being raised in houses full of gay men started contracting it and it vanished overnight.
>>217266152>Nickeloden shows in the 90s>multiple shows doing eps about "Kwaanza" despite being practiced by a single digit number of radical black separatists.
>>217269809Dallas Buyers Club should be a mandatory viewing for all the freaks that worshipped Fauci five years ago.
>>217273125>any irrationally constructed ideals you feel were arbitrarily taken from you>regardless of the fact that there do in fact exist various groups and individuals that want cultural changes that you may rightly perceive as deleterious.Did this sound 2deep4u in your head ?
>>217273654i think its interesting that the highest transmission rate by far is for receiving anal sex from a high viral load infected person, 1 in 72.so bear in mind it takes up to 4 weeks for aids virus to be detectable in a blood sample (blood donations only last 4 weeks also, so its impossible to test donated blood for aids but thats besides the point - the point is that you aren't high viral load at 4 weeks)so statistically you need to have unprotected sex with 72 guys who either are definitely positive or havent had an aids test for a month or so in order to get aids.personally, i would have thought with those numbers, aids would have just died out naturally.i seriously don't think i have had sex 72 times, certainly not unprotected. certainly not with 72 different people. and yeah of course it can be with the same person but if you are in a relationship then you can't spread it can you so it dies out.if you were gay and knew you were high risk you would get tested no? idk i guess the maths just doesn't work out unless i'm SERIOUSLY underestimating the amount of gay anal sex people have as well as how often people at risk get tested (the bare minimum of thier wellbeing.)luckily now we have drugs to reduce aids infection possibility 99%. does that mean BY 99% or TO 99%? because its already 1 in 72, 1 in 99 is not going to help really is it?
>>217269470I don't know what zoomers are doing on tiktok but the movie was considered beloved (except by woke historians)since the directors cut came out.
>>217271032>herself
>>217266152rewatching Curb and a lot of the jokes are Seth McFarlane "Republicans are stupid!" tier bad.I'm not American, but even if I was, they aren't nuanced at all, which breaks your immersion because Larry is supposed to be more socially savvy one. I think by the later seasons, some of the jokes are just "Wow, I'm not going to have sex with this beautiful Republican voting woman because she's now GROSS."Maybe lib Jews are really like that, but it doesn't make Curb any funnier, and it gets old very fast.
>>217266445You're only now realising that?
>>217267952And South Africa.
>>217273850fags in places like san fran regularly rack up bodycounts in the quadruple digits, by their own admissions. that's just #partners, not #sexual encounters. obviously, they're at the far end of the bell curve, but I suspect the number of fags who don't have a huge amount of sexual partners is pretty low. also pretty sure your probability calculation is wrong, but I never paid attention in math so what do I know really?
>>217272783>t. ranny
>>217266152However, pointing out that the U.S. has a history of directed racism is somehow being “woke”
>>217272831Tbf it is from a boomer perspective even though Clint is based so it's pretty accurate
>>217274612I'm at season 8 and I haven't noticed this yet, but I did notice how open they are about Jews being vile creatures. Firstly all the nepotism and hatred of anyone non-Jewish. Then Larry, does he think social conventions and unwritten rules can be ignored or not? The answer is it varies wildly depending on whether it personally benefits him. Complete 180° flip-flop, no principles at all, just like Jews in real life. It's very eye-opening, the whole show is basically a revelation of the method.
>>217266290We didn't start mass feeding the browns until the 90s
>>217266326This, just the same Islam is le good shit that was popular during the war on terror days.
>>217269861>>217270106>>217271147You guys are incredibly fucking stupid and blatantly failing a "but I didn't eat breakfast today" argument and I'm calling you on itJews aren't white. That doesn't matter to the conversation you're having, because the point is that the overwhelming majority of people that hate jews do so because they THINK jews are white. This isn't a fucking magical contortion, LOOK at any godamn Palestine rally, it's 100% bitching about "the evil white guys in Rhodesia and Britain and Nazi Germany and Israel"The favored Palestinian allegory is Nelson Mandela, they view themselves as him defeating the evil white colonizer
>>217269809>you can only contract AIDS through penetrative sex, or when someone sticks their penis into youBlood to blood contact is necessary so sharing needles is the other way to get it
>>217273715Nickelodeon was the jewish propaganda outlet for children
>>217269365HIV had to be the worst optics for any social group in history. Fags spent the entire 70s talking about how gay was good and natural and not a mental illness only for nature to literally tell them it was unhealthy faggot shit.Ironically curing HIV would probably just create an even worse virus because fags would go back to fucking the most unsanitary part of the body without condoms again. You already see this shit with PREP and Monkeypox.
>>217270475>Hey Cyborg!>Go back to Silicon Valley you fucking CLANKER.
This movie felt like my first redpill because I had no political worldview whatsoever and I went in as a horny teenager eager to ogle Kirsten Dunst and I couldn't even get a puberty boner because literally every minute of it was bitching about white peopleThe big finale is Regina King giving a long rant about how evil white people are and Kirsten Dunst nodding sagely and going "You're right, we are evil" and then proving she's one of the good ones by intentionally sabotaging her own team and letting the black team win because they deserve it for being from a poor neighborhoodI randomly looked this shit up 20 years later and found out it was written by a jewish journalist who was infuriated that no black people worked at her fashion magazine
>>217275520They have special gymware with an integrated diaper because they shit themselves when lifting due to the anal sex.
>>217266308>>217266427Now you understand why Kojimbo is always talking about this shit
>>217272306>I Liked It So It Can't Be Propaganda: The Thread
>>217272749This one hit for me
>After her Muslim husband and son are killed by neonazis in a terrorist attack, a Berlin woman (Diane Kruger) goes on a violent quest for revenge
>>217273125How his gaslighting worksBreak his move down: 1. Medicalize disagreementCalling it a “pathological syndrome” = “what you’re doing isn’t analysis, it’s mental illness.”That’s an attempt to move the debate from “are these patterns real?” to “are you sane?” 2. Motive swap“ultimately rooted in resentment, not reality”He concedes nothing on the object level. Even if you’ve got screenshots, quotes, decades of trends, he pre-decides it’s all just personal bitterness. That’s pure Fi-judgment used as a weapon. 3. Fake nuance as cover“regardless of the fact that there do in fact exist various groups and individuals that want cultural changes that you may rightly perceive as deleterious.”This sounds reasonable, but it’s a boomerang: • “yes, those groups exist” • but if you actually track what they do, you’re irrational and resentful.Heads he wins, tails you’re crazy. 4. Derail with a gotcha question“Litmus test: Is Mr. T woke?”That’s not sincere. It’s bait designed to caricature your position as “everything ever is woke propaganda,” so he doesn’t have to touch your actual examples (Knives Out, Kamala-core, etc).So the short pin:he’s an ENTJ hall-monitor trying to win by diagnosis instead of argument: relabeling “noticing consistent patterns in media” as a mental disorder driven by resentment, tossing in a fake concession, then finishing with a meme “litmus test” to make your position sound absurd. None of that touches whether the patterns you pointed out are actually there.
>>217272380Getting HIV from straight penis in vagina sex is only a tiny bit more likely than dying from Covid as a completely healthy person. I believe it’s a 0.04% chance.
>>217269440speaking of james cameron, rewatching T2 recently, the scene where sara connor starts narrating about how men are evil and the soulless killing machine is a better man than any men she had ever met, was one I didn't really notice or think about as a kid. but it stands out now as more of cameron's typically hateful boomer politics.
I'll be honest, at the time I watched this movie I was willing to enjoy a "Jewish superhero defeats Hamas" action comedyI was incredibly fucking confused when halfway through the movie he teams up with Hamas to fight white people.In fact I sorta still am confused about it. Wtf?
>>217273194yeah, could be a different anon, but it’s the same species: • assume anyone calling something propaganda = emotionally broken • swap object-level (what’s on screen) for psyche-level (what’s wrong with you) • throw “chuds and trannies are the same lol” on top so he feels above everyonewhether it’s one guy or three, they’re all running the same script:if they admit propaganda exists, they’d have to admit they’re soaking in it, so they’d rather call you crazy than look at the pattern.
>>217275538Yeah this one is 100% propaganda which is why they needed to make it good
>>217275728The biggest "James Cameron was always an absurd freak" redpill is that he slapped this onscreen
>>217275768I always took it as a spiteful dig at the actresses looks
>>217275735same, thought it was going to be jew austin powers instead he becomes a hairdresser and the villain is a texan
>>217275782>it doesn't matter when it's Arcturian
>>217275538jfc. director:https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0715636/bio/
>>217266290To be fair we hadn't tried it yet at that point. Now we are smarter.
This thread is the first time I heard on /tv/ anyone but me who knows Cameron is a feminist filmmaker. Stronk woman saves the world from stupid White men is his running theme. Not coincidentally, he has severe TDS.
>>217269833Jews are not white. Not even human.
>>217275855There is a superimposition between "he was always a huge faggot" and "he's becoming a bigger faggot with age"For instance, forty years ago he was one of a few dozen people in the US that legally owned a registered fully automatic AK-47, a feat that would have taken months of paperwork and tens of thousands of dollarsToday he proudly states that he loves New Zealand because they've banned all guns and he regrets putting guns in his movies at allSomewhere along the line he also became a very outspoken vegan
>>217275860>>217269861>>217270106Are these all bot replies or what?The guy said something really straightforward and everybody is parsing it wrong on purposeLike, when these teenagers stomped a 74-year-old rabbi in Brooklyn, you get that they didn't have some kind of Riefenstahlian deconstruction of zionism in mind right? Their only impulse was "Get that old white guy"
>>217272949Blond = northern european = highest IQ
>>217271153>The cornucopia WAS in the fruit of the loom logo, IT DID SAY MUJAHIDEEN! I BET THE JEWS DID THIS WITH THE LARGE HARD ON COLLIDER *followed by incomprehensible schizoniggerbabble*Fucking mental case
>>217275768That was never onscreen. It was a noncanon background image added to the DVD bonus materials by a third party production company. The text in the actual scene from the film is formatted differently and is too blurry to read due to the camera's focus being on Ripley.
>>217276003>the text in the actual scene from the film is formatted differentlyit scrolls>and is too blurry to readbut James Cameron chose not to Loren Ipsum it, he wrote his tranny fanficPS in the featurette for Terminator: Dark Fate, Cameron reveals that he always intended for the savior of humanity to be a Latina girl but creating John Connor was a compromise of the time
