We need to go back
yeah but there was no cgi, it was all practical and the actors didn't have nearly as much make-up.
>>217323923You still get 24 episode seasons on cable, they’re all boomer sitcoms and cop procedurals
>>21732392324 episode seasons are simply the result of being on cable and having to center your show around commercial slots which take up at least 20 minutes for a one hour program, so really you’re only getting 40 minutes of content.
>>217323923All shows that had 24 eps per season were slop and a fundamental waste of time. This is for your own good, anon.
>>217323923Yeah but 90 percent of those episodes are just bullshit filler stuff. Only about 4 episodes a season would have any kind of over arching plot.
>>217323923This is because of mini rooms. You wonder why TV shows need 8-12 writers? The episodes also feel like trash because most of them are the example episodes from the show bible that, years ago, were reserved for filler in later seasons.
>>217324066The filler was the good shit you idiot
>>217324066it allowed shows like star trek tng or x files to tell a variety of stories
>>217324066>mogs 90% of modern TV despite getting mocked as filler when it came out
>>217324108On average only maybe like only 6 episodes would be any good. The rest would be absolute boring slop
>>217323936bullshit, even shows like power rangers had cgi
>>217323923The switch from majority episodic television to serialized television was a huge mistake.
>>217324147that's just because you're watching trash shows. X-files, Farscape, Sg1, Babylon 5, Buffy etc. all shine with their filler eps
Tbf I'm glad shows aren't 24 episodes a season anymore. I do not have time to sit through all that.
>>21732392324 episode season shows are still made, they just fucking suck and are specifically geared to grab the attention of boomers. Humanity has been so spoiled by short form entertainment that it’s not producers that have killed the format, but consumers.
>>217324147You are talking about modern 10 episode shows right? Where only a couple episodes matter and the others just fill time with boring nothing while pretending to have meaning.
>>217324003I'd be happy with 10-12 good episodes a year. They can't even do that anymore. If it's a decent show anymore they're stretching that shit out 2, 3, 5 years between seasons now. Hollywood thinks they're British now!
>>217323923How many episodes were in Pluribus season 1?
Modern shows that are a shitty movie but stretched out to 8 hours with mostly filler encourage consumptive binge watching. Every episode is plopped out at once. Actually watching along with frens and family is almost impossible since no one watches the same show or at the same pace. And because it's all at once instead of once a week, there's no real way to have any kind of momentum or ongoing discussion about them. They are fire and forget, have 0 lifespan or impact, and designed for lonely watching.
>>217323923>more slop by volume vs less slop that costs 100 million while still remaining slopIt's all a heap of shite, as the Brits say.
>>217323936you just keep listing more positives
>>217323923Fuck seasons, Koreans wrap up an entire show in 16 episodes that are 60-75 minutes in length.
>>217323976Oh no, well paced episodes that don't waste your time.
>>217324373Yup. It's all garbage. The golden age of TV died at the end of the 2000s. You could stretch it out to 2013 and the end of Breaking Bad if you wanted to be really generous. All that's left is bingeable slop.
>>217324003Horrible horrible take
>>217324134This episode gives me goosebumps because of how fun it is. Nothing like it exists now. We are truly in a dark age.
>>217324347Pluribus was shit. Maybe it would've been good if it was 24 episodes who knows.
>>217325429The golden age of tv ended when 30 Rock ended. Which was after Lost ended. Those are the last 2 golden age shows until 100 years from now when we have flying cars and Kenneth the CEOPage gets to hire white men to write shows again.
It's because the "production values" have gone up so much, each episode is like a short film, or a long movie in five parts. The sitcoms of yesteryear were shot in a studio with sets made of cardboard and a live audience. More like a televised play. The math does itself.
>>217323923you cant have 24 episodes without plotfags complaining that>dood nothings happening dood wheres the plot bruh
>>217324198Yes, but back then a show would only be on tv once a week. They did not drop all the episodes to watch through or binge whenever you wanted.
>>217324066>surfdracula.webp
It's funny that X-Files got mentioned so many times itt. One of the reasons X-Files was such a phenom when it came out is that it did what no other show did back then. It had an intrigue running throughout the course of the show. People tuned in to see if it would be another one of the so-called "mythology" episodes or not. This really upended tv. It showed show runners that tv viewers prefer continuous plot to throw away episodes, and that's what all tv became. In a way, X-Files changed tv as we know it forever.
>>217324003>Mr. Reese, it appears our latest number has come down with a case of verbal diarrhea
>>217324089>mini rooms>show bibleBro what the fuck are you saying. AI generated comment
Too many shows, not enough content.
>>217323923
>>217325984Retard
>>217323936And that was better
>>217325675X-Files was great because it had both the myth arc episodes AND the monster of the week episodes. If you ask most people they will tell you they generally like the monster of the week episodes more anyway. Having both types of episodes allows for there to be a break in the tension of the serious episodes with the fun one off episodes. Bigger seasons allow writers to try out different shit, some are hits, some are misses. You can't do that with short seasons that have to focus on moving the overall plot forward. These "filler" episodes also tend to add a great deal to character development.
>>217323936you say that like it's a bad thing
>>217325536>It's because the "production values" have gone up so much, each episode is like a short film, or a long movie in five partswho asked for this?
>releases 3 episodes >calls it a season>nothing for 2-3 years>random christmas special nobody asked for
>>217323923>we need to go backyes you do
I liked how the 24 episode per season episodic shows, could have episodes that you didn't like, but they were self contained, so you didn't have to just synically hope that the next episode will save the season.A five episode season of a serialized show is like a four hour movie, but with lower budget and worse writers than all the good four hour movies had.
>>217323923No. That only existed to sell ads in the form of commercial breaks.
>>217325603>surfdraculaOh yeah, you would get him surfing in every episode. But it would be the same footage they took from the overproduced pilot used over and over again. Also episodes would reuse scripts from other shows writers worked on because who cares.
>>217328616I have forgotten about and rediscovered Luther at least 5 times over the last 10 years
>>217323976>24 * 40 = 960 minutes>5 * 60 = 300 minutesstill not an excuse
>>217323923Do you know the audience retention rate for stream slop?
>>217323923And a 1 minute theme song that told you absolutely everything you needed to know about the characters and situations. No "previously on..."
>>217323923>budget per episode then: $100k>budget per episode now: $50milHow did that happen?
When was the last monster/ case of the week show with 20+ episodes a season? I think even the generic cop procedurals like NCIS and CSI are getting around 12 episodes now. I think the CW capeshit shows got around 20 episodes a season too but those shows are done now.
>>217323923Blame run away unions for overvaluing work into nonexistence
>>217329859>tfw no psycho qr3.14 to orbit that murders my enemies
>>217330441Murdoch Mysteries, last year
>>217323923I recently noticed that TV shows used to be much longer, like Leave It To Beaver and The Andy Griffith Show. 30 to 50 episodes or more per season.
>>217323923The only reason they had so many episodes was because of advertising buying the commercial break airtime. And if a network had a popular show airing during the time-slot that advertisers wanted to put their shit in, ie you had a lot of eyeballs tuning during that period, that meant you could ask more money.Everyone hates mandatory commercials. That’s why streaming and DVD home releases became popular in the first place. Nobody wants to go back to that, why do you think people complain about youtube ads and having to pay in order to remove them or how streaming platforms like Amazon has started to put advertisements in them?
>>217323976plot twist: you still get 45 minute episodes. expectations: subverted
>>217323923You all will whine about how slow things are, "nothing happened", an unending tears.(You) are the reason we can't have nice things.
>>217330350now do rent
You guys need to realise that the industry doesn't exist to make good media, the industry exists to allow lots of people to make loads of money for minimal work
>>217330350Unironically money laundering
>>217324190You fail to understand how many TV shows were being produced back in the day. You remembering a handful of good shows is just that, remembering the good ones that were the exception to the rule. Most of TV was kinda bland if not outright crap. That’s why each year you had tons of brand new shows debuting that would then get axed either within the first month, month and a half it the ratings weren’t good and then its timeslot would be filled with reruns or a random new mid-season replacement show. Others could manage to stay for maybe 13 episodes and call it quits after that. If you were lucky and get a full 24 episodes, it was still possible they wouldn’t renew it. Something like half of all new shows wouldn’t get another season, they ground them out like crazy.
>>217328447The production values went up because TVs got a lot bigger and went widescreen as well as high definition, so a lot of shit you wouldn’t catch on an old TV would look like shit now. That’s why in HD remasters of old shows like Star Trek for example you can now spot all kinds of goofs, blocking markings on the floor, cheap set design, etc. that didn’t standout when they aired originally but now can be jarring obvious.
I did it deliberately
>>217331304That’s because they were just 25-30 minutes long episodes so even if they made more the production schedules were more or less in line with modern 24 episodes seasons where the episode runs twice as long
>>217323923>24 episodes>one of those is a musical episodeI’d rather die
>>217324003TV is a way to waste of time. That's the point.
>>217323923"prestige tv" is fucking gay and lame. high budgets are for movies. tv was always supposed to be low budget but high quantity.
>>217323923They'll blame AI for it
>>217323923>NOOOooooooo I need 15 episodes of pure filler that lead nowhere and tell nothing just to have my 2-3 episodes that resolve the storyNo
>>217324003this is better than anything you watch
>>217331734This, but scrap the 2-3 episodes that resolve the story.
>>217325531>>217324134I remember when this aired but never followed the story. Should I watch in the year of our lord 2026?
