>show emphasizes importance of a handful of charactersWhat the fuck is this ? It completely ignores the most basic premise of the book. Why the fuck are the same characters playing a role across a thousand years?
>>217327018The Cleons are kino and everyone else with Foundation is annoying except Jared Davis.
>>217327018They adapted more than the first book, anon.
harry seldon being alive in the show beyond the first episode is a massive red flag
>>217327070I read the trilogy. They spoiled the existence of the second foundation in the first season, how ridiculous. The reveal of second foundation focusing on non technical sciences was one of the best moments in the trilogy, even if it did feel like an ass pull.
>>217327077I agree, it's retarded.
I would hate to ever adapt any book to TV. Certain people think a movie can "harm" a book, or that the sole value by which to judge an adaptation is 1-1 accuracy. All that matters, the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS for an adaptation is whether it's a good show or not.
loved the trilogy but never watched this show, is this as bad as everyone knew it would be?
>>217327189I disagree, science fiction lends itself well to series; but the need to maintain a cast of characters is cancer. Foundation is particularly suited for a new cast each season. Some books would be great movies, like the stars my destination
>>217327189Ok and maybe an adaptation of a good book would be well served by trying to be like it?
>>217327215The Cleons carry the showI think it's some of the best sci-fi TV around these last few years
>>217327215It has good moments but fuck if they don't shoot themselves in the foot constantly. It's a melodrama, making it about a few stronk black women whenever they can. Not as bad as childhoods end tv show but not Foundation and not Asimov
never have i have been so disappointed in a book ending. the 5th book was worse than the GoT last season and the AoT ending combined
>>217327250>The Cleons carry the showTrue.>I think it's some of the best sci-fi TV around these last few yearsPossibly true, but it's still not very good. At least the non-Cleon parts.
>>217327189I agree, but foundation is a shit show. I'm open to new adaptations being BERY loosely based on the thing I was a fan of, but foundation is kinda mediocre.
>>217327189> that the sole value by which to judge an adaptation is 1-1 accuracyThis is the only thing that matters. We should stop thinking of them as adaptations and begin thinking of them as translations between mediums.
>>217327235>maybe an adaptation of a good book would be well served by trying to be like it?Books and film are very different mediums, and so "like it" will always be a matter of interpretation
>>217327280How about just the fucking plot? Why am I bothering? You're a retarded faggot.
>>217327278Motherfucker what do you think an adaptation is you pseud piece of shit
>>217327250>I think it's some of the best sci-fi TV around these last few yearsThat's a very low bar
>>217327299That’s why I said we should stop using that word and thinking of them conceptually as adaptions when translating a story from the medium of a novel to that of a series.
>>217327142I only read the first book but remember one guy mentioned they had one foundation on Terminus and also another on the opposite end of the galaxy?
>>217327331I don't remember the second foundation being revealed until the threat of the mule but it's been 20 years since I read it
>>217327361IIRC they mention it early on, but it's only revealed what and where it is by the end of the trilogy; the guys on terminus are always aware it exists somewhere, but they speculate endlessly and can't find it
>>217327331yes. the twists get even gayer as the series goes on.>we need a foundation because empire will fall>actually the foundation will form the new empire>actually there will be a 2nd foundation of physics>actually theres a whole physic planet where rocks and plants and humans all went through intrumentality>actually we want the whole galaxy to hive mind>actually this robot on earth has been pulling strings for 20k years and there was no seldon plan
>>217327319Nta, but you're retarded. An adaptation is "adapting" it to screen. A translation would be a 1:1 "translation" from book to screen, which would be fucking stupid in many cases. Have you ever learned a second language? Heard the term "direct/indirect translation"? An adaptation, which is why it's the proper word, would be an indirect translation. A literal or direct translation of most books or video games would often end up nonsensical. Even with foundation, a 1:1 literal translation would be a mess of just constant narration and exposition with barely and of the plot occuring through dialogue. It'd be like watching a mockumentary, which I would enjoy, but it doesn't make for good popular TV. That being said, an adaptation should generally stick to the plot and themes.
>>217327018The issue is that some types of scifi are more about the ideas and not about characters. To me, one of the strengths of this style, and Asimov is a good example, is that the characters are two dimensional props and the focus in not on them as individuals. The best sci-fi shows how things affect the entire system, humans included but not exclusively, so you should never be beholden to specific characters or be constrained by the need to focus on their development. That's why this adaptation, and many adaptations of this older style of speculative scifi, are so trash when they are made to focus on a static cast. It weighs it down in a claustrophobic micro-story and steals the focus from the macro-story.
To be clear, I don't dislike adaptations if they emphasize or expand on the themes of the source material; but the show often ignores those themes for reasons that don't pay off(mostly). I agree the genetic dynasty is a fun plotline but it also adeptly personifies the empire and it's degradation
>>217327485The cast isn't static there are like a dozen cleons
>>217327485Yes, it minimizes the scope, which is the one of the most impressive parts of foundation
Fire upon the deep when?
>>217327485I like this anon
Monkey paw time. What book do you want adapted and by what studio or director?
>>217327189>a movie can "harm" a bookIt can. Our English teacher showed us a clip of To Kill a Mockingbird after we read it, and stopped before they showed Boo Radley. He said that once you see how he looks, you will lose the image you have in your head. It is different for Atticus, because Gregory Peck is the image everyone had in their head already.
>>217327947based teacher desu.
>>217327878Gateway by the Greek dude, no need for the rest of the heechee saga
>>217327970Yeah, I thought it was well reasoned, and an interesting way to look at things.
