So, is the Brotherhood of Steel supposed to be dogmatic, pseudo-Christian knights and clerics who live by oaths, discipline and doctrine?Or are they retarded frat bros who treat weapons and old technology like toys and engage in blood sports for entertainment?Because it can't be fucking both.
>>217351897I only clicked on this thread to remind everyone that BoSwank started before Bethesda ever bought the IP. True story, bro.
>>217351897The brotherhood isn't a monolith and the leadership often start schisms and fracturing over ideology. It's one of the main critiques of aligning with them. They blindly kill eachother based on dogma.This show fucking sucks though lmao. No amount of nitpicking will ever make it good.
>>217351897I believe the knights that were sent to the Knights of San Fernando were low level dipshits from the commonwealth. In the first episode, they were kind of in awe that a prydwen class ship arrived and they asked "i wonder what they are doing here"Quintus' chapter, dogmatic religousCW retards, literal retards
They’re the worst written part of the show and they should be the best. It’s very likely they’re handling this show by having the writing divided by plot thread and the BOS storyline is where they’re dumping the DEI writers. It’s an interesting way of navigating that landscape. Write a show have 3 plots, dump all the tranny, fag, nigger, and so on elements on one plot and just overload that shit, then do 2 normal plots. The DEI Communists are satisfied, but quarantined and even though the show is materially worse for them existing, it’s not entirely unwatchable.
>>217351897They are whatever is needed episode to episode to keep this shambolic rolling clusterfuck of a show stumbling in the vague direction of being ‘entertaining’.
>>217351897The original concept for them was derived from the book A Canticle for Leibowitz which involves a psuedo-Catholic order that preserves information and tech from the violent raider survivors of a global nuclear holocaust
>>217351897Thank you sir for creating this very organic and non-shill thread on 4chan anonymous forum.
>>217351974Rings of Power should for example just bite the bullet and include a continent called Niggerland where everyone is gay, black, trans, etc. Everyone on Middle Earth should be white and normal and the plots should be good and normal, but every so often the show jumps to Niggerland and there is a story unfolding there. Occasionally a character sails from Niggerland to Middle Earth, but only briefly before returning home. It checks all the DEI flags and yet still allows you to write a normal show.
>>217352023You really were confident you had a great post here, huh?
>>217352010What am I shilling, exactly?
>>217352055I’m really not here to impress some random faggot narcissist like you crowing from the stands like a fat toddler demanding to be breast fed some custom fit entertainment. Go start up your parent’s car in the garage.
>>217351897Basically, only one Brotherhood rep is real. They aren't even in FO2 in any real capacity. The only other good one in, naturally, Vegas. In all the other ones they're just Wasteland superheroes being rock em sock em badasses. No one seems to get that they are an ever present, secretive oppressive order. They like the suits and how it makes them feel like badasses, so that's what they are.
>>217352055the post seems fine to me
>>217351958I don't see how a schism can happen for such hermit-like factions like BoS. they don't bring in new people actively (discourage it) and concentrate power through secrets and technological domination. the only way you would be correct is if they abandon all culture (which wouldn't happen). they would just naturally die off from xenophobia. but the le epic le writing has to interject with "le but what if" bullshit. just make a new fucking faction we haven't seen you fucking useless faggots.
>>217351974Bold of you to assume it’s not 100% DEI trash in that writing room
>>217352010>post about tv show on /tv/>"It's a heckin' shill thread!"Trying to hard to fit in, Rajesh.
>>217352055you really thought anyone gave a shit someone said nigger, huh?
>>217352165>they don't bring in new people actively (discourage it)Thats the thing: some of the chapters do. They are only loosely connected via some vague goal of "harnessing technology". They don't have a solid set of rules for how to achieve this. That's why some of them become jannies and others become isolated militarists. It's less a schism caused by new ideas and more like "these old out of touch faggots don't know what they're doing, we should take the wheel instead"
>>217351897Yes, because human history isn't full of retarded contradictions.
>>217351897them playing with live grenades and laughing during the meeting of the other chapters left me fucking bewilderedlike I don't even understand... to what end? and how do you justify the means to reach that end?
>>217351897>Or are they retarded frat bros who treat weapons and old technology like toys and engage in blood sports for entertainment?the old guys are the religious zealots and the soldiers are mostly meatheads who only do the bare minimum in terms of tradition, which is roughly how it always goesthough they oversold the "meathead" aspect in that one episode where they played with live grenades and stuff
>>217352267the ones that do bring in new people are quickly slaughtered I imagine. what chapters are you referring to? if they have any type of advanced technology it would be destroyed, devolved. through paranoia, raiding, murder, whatever. thats the rule of law in a hellscape without oversight and constant death. why would there be a chapter that exists at all if they're loose on loyalty? they were an interesting faction because they were able to survive with some semblance of the past. not because they had schisms.
>>217352165>I don't see how a schism can happen for such hermit-like factionAre you genuinely retarded? I swear the shit people spout off on here.
lads please don’t tell me I ain’t the fucking one who noticed that the congresswoman is Enclave and she is going to drop the nuke herselfFor the love of godIt’s so fucking on the nose it’s ridiculous Cooper helping her is what delayed the war for a month
>>217352417are you fucking retarded, nigger? is it so fucking impossible? the literal VAULTS were the perfect example. were there "vault cults"? no, they just broke off into the shitstorm outside and had their culture and background erased. looted and forgotten. they didn't become brotherhood anything. cool critique you fuckin dipshit faggot with no argument. bet you never even played the games.
>>217352445Well vault 15 did break into "cults" since it was designed to have ideologically volatile population mix.
>>217352445Vaults weren't military orders with access to the surface fighting an endless war against everyone. That leads to massively different outcomes and vying leadership/politics for how to handle it. Sitting in a vault eating hydroponic carrots doesn't lead to massive needs in shifting politics and leadership. And the moment any vault we do know of lost their comfort of living and interact with the eternal war of the wasteland they took on massive political and social changes. Nigger.
>>217352495Actually some vaults were military in nature. Nigger.
It's like the writers didn't even try this season
>>217351897Have you seen American conservatives lately? You’re pretty wrong
>>217351897All of these shitty shows are written by a dozen people throwing ideas at a wall, and none of them have any experience with Fallout or military structure. Naturally what you get is an incoherent cartoon shitshow
>>217352523That's not my point at all you drooling retard. I was right kek.
>>217352311It’s a comedy. Are you a fucking troglodyte?
>>217352071A TV show. Please try and keep up.
>>217352547>im right>doesn't even know what they're arguing aboutthis board has nothing but retards>kekback to your containment
>>217352568You didn't even read my post I can tell. the audacity of retards like you on this board.
>>217352571Real upset no one read your head canon? Vaults were military in nature to begin with.
>>217352579Maybe pop another Adderall to keep your eyes from glazing over and read my entire post instead of the first five words
>>217352002Could be, and that was always my boomer take on them, but it should be noted Fallout was originally a sponge that was pulling from all sorts of pop culture material, not just stories, but even random art stuff, and throwing it all in the blender. So you can't be sure to bet that was the original intention just because it's one of the inspirations.Like dogmeat is from A boy and his Dog, but clearly there's no implied psychic powers with a companion dog in the post-apocalypse in the final execution.
>>217352495I can definitely tell you never played the games if you thought nothing terrible constantly happened in the vaults >err they just ate carrots and thats about it!fuck off to whatever shithole you came from, its embarrassing how little you know
>>217352626Besides the experiments literal nothing happens in the vault that would bring the need for rapidly changing political climates. And any time it lead to that they collapsed. here you are counter productive to your own arguments the vaults were squeaky clean and never had political infighting and changes in leadership.
>>217352546>incoherent cartoon shitshoware the games really so grounded? I mean Caesar's legion in the nv is a literal nonsense faction. same with the minuteman in 4. fallout always felt like an irony poisoned post-apocalyptic misery of a franchise.
>>217352648What's nonsensical about Caesar's Legion
>>217352648Don’t make the mistake of conflating toddslop (3, 4, 76) - these can be safely ignored - with the good ones (1, 2, NV)
>>217352399You have to take into account the vast amount of nothing separating every chapter. They're distant enough that when there's a schism, they simply cut ties instead of waging war between themselves.
>>217352656everyonr is white
>>217352695No they aren't lmao. Caesar Legion is literally a multiethnic paradise. It's anti-multiculturalism.
>>217352579I never took the vaults as military in nature in any sense. They're prisons. The overseer is an employee of vault tek and the warden, security the prison guards, and all the vault dwellers are literal property of Vault Tek and by extension the Government. The system in there is to keep them in place until the Government who owns them comes to collect. Or collect the data they've created from the Vault experiments.
>>217351897Knights irl were both so why not?
If you ignore the corny reddit tier dialogue, plot holes and just general misunderstanding of its universe you really get to enjoy it as a highly budgeted mid 2010s fan film
I know Bethesda has their own BoS and Fallout Tactics exist, but the whole concept of BoS chapters beyond the west coast makes no sense to me and warrants more explanation than "they just spread out lol" It's a small and secretive organisation that formed in one specific location under specific circumstances. It's not like all remnants of the US military by chance happened to agree that they should call themselves the Brotherhood of Steel and become similar secular religious organisations.
>>217352816You just described new vegas compared to the games that came before it.
>>217352824It's not that far of a stretch for them to want to go and loot military bases all over. Just what they stumbled into around California was enough to destroy humanity again in the wrong hands. Wanting to check out DC, colorado, or military bases anywhere isn't far fetched. Especially if they'd rather just go dick around and not waste manpower on a losing war with the NCR.
>>217352442Bro at that point US congress was dissolved and nobody was running the country for a solid year before the bombs fell
>>217352816>mid 2010s fan filmi remember those fallout fan films. despite being decent, the problem they had was that they were too serious. fallout needs a bit of humor to offset how outrageous the world is. https://youtu.be/LS3wjOdfYaI
>>217352874The humor in fallout always came naturally. Just demanding there to be humor for the sake of it is why you get shit like the grenade bit.
>>217352442the war wasn't delayed for a month because the bombs still dropped on his daughters birthday retard
>>217353135You're all so rude and all so wrong all the time
>>217352442>lads please don’t tell me I ain’t the fucking one who noticed that the congresswoman is Enclave and she is going to drop the nuke herselfShe had the new US flag not the Enclave flag. All the US states were consolidated into 13 Commonwealths.
not a second of Brotherhood slop this latest episode and I didn't even notice or miss it for a second
>>217352393That makes zero fucking sense. Why establish Maximus as a dogmatic knight aspirant who was raised in this secular culture? How the fuck did that happen? They trained him as a chivalrous knight as a joke?
>>217352567I'm shilling a TV show by criticizing it?
>>217352534I am unaware of any American conservatives who are knights or monks in strict monastic orders.
>>217353298no, they try to train each knight to uphold brotherhood of steel ideals. maximus just doesn't believe all of it is right, such as killing ghoul children.
>>217352760Knights IRL were NOT both.Sure, there were tons of knights who were basically just state-sanctioned armored bandits on horseback, but these knights very blatantly did not give a rat's ass about religion or the code of chivalry. On the flip side, knights who cared about the Code of Chivalry also tended to be more religious and care more about things like discipline.So it was either the reckless frat bro bandit knight OR the chivalric, pious knight in shining armor. In fact, this was the whole point of the Code of Chivalry. It was intended to try to uplift knights and make them more than just legal brigands.
> BOI I BEAT CHO MONKEY AHH
>>217351974It's very apparent that the entirety of the writers room have no fucking clue what they're doing and the general direction of the show is heavily swayed by retards at Bethesda that don't really seem to care and will settle for "good enough".Brotherhood should be a serious faction with perhaps some things we consider funny in a modern sense, instead they’re turned into a faction of bumbling idiots whose entire shtick is “we collect technology, but not really” bullshittery. The second the knight in power armor was some retarded fraud that couldn’t beat a yao-gai one-on-one it was over. No internal consistency and just having setups for lame and retarded jokes with deprecating and ironic humor.The ghoul arc is the most interesting because it is rooted in the pre-war period and even that just shits over established lore and sloppily crafts a story of corporations fucking it all up and somehow wanting the bombs to be dropped.The vault dweller arc is just retarded turbo-naivety played like it’s a highschool drama.This show fucking sucks and people that like it are just distracted by fan-service and better-than-mediore props and CGI.
>>217353442so they were both?
>>217353561No. Not at the same time.
>>217353572>Not at the same time.I don't know about that. Richard the Lionheart is a good example of a real knight who shifted between actual good deeds and a degree of chivalry to total ruthless tactics as it was needed. I don't think he was particularly a ruthless bandit or a upstanding moral knight. He was both in his way.
>>217353764How exactly do you figure that Richard the Lionheart was a retarded frat bro?
>>217352556comedies are supposed to be funny
>>217351897>fallout show made the power armors look and feel lameImpressive.
>>217354167they should've made the pieces out of actual metal like aluminum>that would've been too heavyyyI do not care. the suits move around like weightless foam costumes because that's what they are
>>217351974>main young male character underdog that goes from zero to hero and that fucks our white passing female lead needs to be black>looks like thisI never got why the pro-black propaganda also makes them ugly. It's fairly stupid if you're a propagandist that wants to lionise blacks whilst casting guys like this, Boyega, etc.
>>217354217the people casting them have a mythos about totally subservient mindless drones made of clay, and that's what these actors are to them
Ghoul dead, what now?
>>217352165>Hermiting is making us weaker as a faction and will ultimately kill us, so we should stop hermiting>How dare you say that? DIE!or,>We Should go back to Hermiting, since it's corrupting our mission>How dare you say that? DIE!Repeat Ad Nausem for 200+ years.
>>217354217It's not meant to uplift black men, it's meant to mock white men. They really don't give a shit about blacks other than to see them as tools. Look at what they did to the Ethiopians jews who came into their country.
>>217353373There's a few proper monasteries scattered about. One in Kansas building the place the old fashioned way. A well established Russian Orthodox one in WV.
>>217351958there never an ideological schism in the brotherhood except a very practical dispute in the east coast faction which started heavily recruiting wastelanders and rebuilding local communities. the west coast brotherhood according to FNV was only fragmented because the NCR had scattered them during their war. they were still overwhelmingly the descendants of the original postwar foundation of the BoS. their belief system was never more elaborate than keeping pre-war technology out of the hands of wastelanders who might abuse it, even though the world had moved on by the later 23rd centurythis show presents the western BoS as being very isolated and fragmented, with divergent cultures and belief systems, likely from recruitment of tribals and wastelanders (or NCR citizens). This somehow became the situation in the last 20 years, despite the fact that they are all in contact with each other and with the east coast faction, and have superior logistics and supply chains than the new vegas era NCR ever did
>>217352055It is actually a great post lol
>>217352023Funnily enough this is accounted for. Southrons were almost certainly black. Similarly you could have an original show about the Blue Wizards heading East. But no, they had to shit on Tolkien instead.
Anybody else think the congresswoman is a cutie patootie or is it just me
>>217352055Ok it's time for you to go back!
>>217352055kek this made him so mad he had to reply 5 times and will probably reply again
>>217353442knights were not about religion, they were noblemen from rich housesit had nothing to do with ability or merit, just birthrights
>>217355602the knights who had no ability or merit quickly died and were replaced by ones who did
>>217355624except that never happened
>>217355624they didnt fight as often as youd think, foot soldiers were the absolute core of every army ever and battles were won or lost entirely because of them
>>217355506Take your meds
>>217354438>Ghoul deadlol no
>>217352442Unlikely but kino if so
>>217351897Its one or the other depending on the whimsy of the writing staff.
>>217351897They aren’t Christian they worship pre-war technology and think they are on a grand crusade to cleanse the wasteland. Outside of that, they are just war bros who treat wasteland denizens like abominations or at best, raw meat for the grinder. The show does a great job of showing this aspect of the Brotherhood in that they have internal squabbles just like the very raiders they vanquish in the wasteland, and to varying degrees that’s what the brotherhood is itself. I get that some anons don’t like the bro-ey feel of the shows BoS Paladins/power armor troops, but it’s not that crazy. Go look up how knights were depicted by peasants in the medieval age, they were basically armed thugs that got to rape pillage and murder anyone in the service of their lord as long as they showed up to battle on game day.
>>217352442Would be funny if true. I suspect though that Maclean is ultimately going to be the trigger man. It's already been foreshadowed by the fact that he's personally ordered two subsequent nuke strikes since then. That we know of. In fact, based on his scientific aptitude, he might even be Enclave.
>>217355629except it literally did you mong>>217355654they didn't necessarily have to fight. the ones who sucked got replaced. nobody wants a loser as an ally
