Can we talk about the most globally popular television genre - the news. Every country and indeed every channel has their own version of it and they all look pretty similar: A person sat at a desk dressed formally tells you what has happened today. Sometimes they're not sat at a desk. And for some reason sports results and then weather forecasts come at the end. Why has it evolved this way? What are it's antecedents? What does the future look like for The News?I have my own hot take that the news is a kids show. When I was about 13/14 I got really into the news. I thought I was understanding the world because everything they said was new to me and seemed respectable and objective. Now I'm nearly 40 and I don't watch the news at all and if I ever accidentally do I just see propaganda. And I don't necessarily mean because of ideologies but I just think the format itself is shitty for informing people. I would much rather read a book or watch a documentary. Relaying current affairs daily without context just isn't worth anything. You need a deep dive into the history of a subject to get it, and then when you do the daily ephemera of newspaper articles and tv news segments adds practically nothing. This is NOT a /pol/ thread. I don't want to discuss actual happenings, just the format and history of the news. And if that's not on topic enough for the jannies >what are your favourite news adjacent kinos?
In Chomsky's book, he argues that news media is so large and has such a short time to publication that it can only really 'interface' with government bodies, as nothing else can sustain its need for informational input. It gives the news an overwhelming bias towards whatever the state narrative is. >A person sat at a desk>dressed formallyAll this is part of the news' own propaganda to get you to trust them.In some countries, news broadcasters even have particular accents.
>>217356880>In Chomsky's booklol lmao even
>>217357019That doesn't make him incorrect
>>217357041
>>217357019nobody trusts pictures anymore
When the right wing took over in my country they turned the public television into a pure propaganda machine.
>>217356699And it's funny because now online grifters will sit in front of a desk and wear a tie to simulate the appearance of respectability and even greenscreen in some sort of newsroom background even though we all know full well the're sat in their moms basement. And they know we know. But they feel the need to do it anyway. Like why are you wearing a tie? In your own bedroom at 4am? It's farce in search of authenticity. Kind of like grimdark capeshit which has the guy dressed as a bat flying around punching baddies but it's set in the "real world" - it just highlights how absurd it is, ironically giving it less realism.
>>217356699>I have my own hot take that the news is a kids showI think it used to be a lot less retarded before the internet came about and they had to pander for attention to compete.
>>217357115For me that highlights how absurd the real news is and how doubly absurd it is that we're harsher on YouTubers imitating the news than the news itself for being inauthentic.
>>217356699I say the news is fine, the issue is that is ussually 2min of the events and 7 if some analist or politician commenting on it.
>>217356699The news is fucking boomer shit. If there is news that can’t even leak past /pol/ to /tv/ it’s unimportant to me.
>>217356699News is just a superficial update, not a college course, it's only purpose is to keep you up to date. Any reasonable person (i.e. no one) knows that they need many multiple sources just to have an even handed grasp on what the larger story being covered is. Books I trust even less, they're accounts produced by a single individual; you get greater context but the potential for bias is greatly magnified. If books are your main source of information you need to diversify your information streams that many more times over than with news media
>>217357170I don't really have an issue with real news readers wearing ties. They are in an actual workplace, a formal one. Plenty of jobs require you to dress smart. We can argue that ties are themselves a silly and arbitrary signifier of formality, but it is what it is. And it makes sense they would sit at a desk, they have papers in front of them (or screens nowadays). But some guy in his room emulating the aesthetic is cringe to me
>>217357041He's wrong about everything and is a compulsive liar.https://www.paulbogdanor.com/250chomskylies.pdfI can't fucking wait for this giga-authoritarian tankie subhuman to die.
>>217357060this one is pretty damaging lmao"libertarian" socialists in fucking shambles
>>217357203this
>>217357357Doesn't this guy call himself an anarchist?What the fuck? kek
>>217357271they’re daycares not workplaces
Anthropologically speaking the news came about because news radio happened first. At first only for important bulletins, it later happened live at events (sports) or briefings (government addresses). So the first TV news happened just like news radio: a guy at a desk, wearing a suit (everyone wore a suit) and reading the news. As a visual medium it became a performance art (Walter Cronkite was famous for his delivery) and later as technology improved it became possible to show the event rather than talk about it
I can't even look at regular news programs and papers anymore - all I see is propaganda.That is to be expected, however. Most "people" have 100 IQ at best, and that's nowhere near enough to allow for any kind of critical thinking, so they're looking for a ready-to-digest NPC code injection with a snappy headline that already cues them in on what to think while reading. The only news you can remotely trust are those that are subject to constant scrutiny.Unironically, the best best place to get your news is /pol/, it just takes a big of getting used to identifying the bots/kikes/jeets.
local news is much better than national news. they'll talk about things you can actually have an impact on (local charity drives, ballots and such) then show the cute pig someone raised and brought to the fair, all told by a hot chick wearing a pretty dress. national news just cant compete
>>217357357Most of these truths aren't actually challenging the supposed "lies". Number 4 doesn't disprove what Chomsky is saying. It's saying that torture still happened. Scrolling down, these issues repeat throughout the document. Not very compelling.
>>217356699America in the early 50's: you literally had jeans for farm work and a suit for everything else. Sitting at a desk because no teleprompter so you had to rely on a stack of notes and it's probably easier for the cameraman if you're not pacing back and forth around the studio. Then people became familiar with the format, other countries imitated it as soon as they figured out television and it carried over to our current day. For decades they thought there was no need to change the formula but when the last boomer dies, nobody will be watching anymore.
>>217357509>the best best place to get your news is /pol/lol
>>217357041>turd world is.... LE GOOD! (*but I would never, ever want to live there)
>>217357642That still doesn't make him incorrect regarding his assessment of the media.
>>217357621where do you get your news?
>>217357546>briefly skimmed the entire document for 30 seconds while seethingyeah that's not an argumentAgain, I can't wait for him to die.
>>217357676I mostly stopped caring. I will never trust /pol/ again after all their lies about Russia. Before the war in Ukraine I was a frequent /pol/ user fully convinced that United States is the most dangerous country on the planet and that Russia isn't interested in expansion. Then 2022 happened and I realized that I was lied to for the last two years.
Latin America has the best looking newscaster and weather women
>>217357676I ask ChatGPT to summarize the days events, and I directed it once to alternate days report with a conservative, liberal or neutral bent and to randomize which slant it’s doing so I never know for sure.
>>217357509Best place to get news on 4chan is in a thread started on /tv/ by a /pol/ shitposter with a movie reference that lasts 5 minutes before a janny deletes it.I literally found out Maduro got captured through a Dark Knight reference.
I watch the news for the weather girl.
>>217357759/pol/ is literally 90% 'global south' shill farm botting now
>>217357160It was notIt was always the sameIt always relied on ragebait and fearmongering to keep engagement because they wanted you to keep watching for ad money. The internet didnt change this, it itself was just an extension of the news practices that have been around since tv first existed
>>217357676/tv/
>>217357728The fact that the document makes logically malformed arguments is an argument.Also the writer is historically illiterate. It says Chomsky is lying when he refers to Soviet support for the KMT and gives "proof" of that from the 1940s. But anyone with basic familiarity with the issue knows that the Soviets indeed supported the KMT during the 1920s.It's fair to criticize Chomsky on the Khmer Rouge stuff and other leftists did that too. But most of this document is a seething mess.
>>217357830This. Boomervision was always the same.Retards think Fahrenheit 411 is about books but it’s actually, according to the author, about Boomervision.
>>217357759>I was a frequent /pol/ user fully convinced that United States is the most dangerous country on the planet and that Russia isn't interested in expansion. Then 2022 happenedSo the annexation of Crimea and the entire border conflict with Ukraine starting in 2014, nearly a full decade before the invasion, didn't clue you into that position being retarded? Sorry anon, your IQ is too low to utilize /pol/.
>>217357830Ah ok, I wouldn't know this since I'm zoomer
>>217357813Why are weathergirls hot? Is meterology female coded? Are there fat ugly male weather men?I know you're going to say because men like looking at hot girls, but why specifically the weather girl? Why can't the reporter be hot and the weather man be a short fat bald guy? It's weird that every single news programme on the planet follows the same exact formula
>>217358017Of all news programs the weather is probably the most watched, even by non boomers, so it’s best to have a hot piece of ass there.
>>217358017my local news stations have a mix. some have older guys doing the weather, some have hot chicks. one station has a beautiful red head and one has a chubbier middle aged man
>>217357676I use the guardian
What is everyone’s local station like?>Animal gets saved by police/fireman>Person dies in accident>Story about program for underprivileged keeds n shiet >Druggie arrested for some crazy shit>Boomer getting interviewed about some random shit he/she saw>Random libtard protest
>>217357858>2 things might be wrong out of 250 argumentskeep going, you can do it
Pic rel covers TV news a bit, but the author also has another book How to watch TV news. From the mid 80s -early 90s.
>>217357966That was just a proxy war. It wasn't a big deal. Russia actually invading Ukraine was really shocking to me.
>>217358160I saw that there are multiple sections dedicated to defending Israel and realized this is literal JIDF propaganda. There's one section that downplays the deaths in Israeli bombing of Tunis for example.
>>217358255You seem to have missed some crucial historical context.The 2008 NATO summit flirted with the idea of two countries joining, even though Putin wouldn't tolerate another expansion.Can you guess which ones?
>>217358332The countries didn't join and frankly there's no reason to care about Putin's opinion. Ukraine and Georgia are independent states. But this is not about it, it's about Russia lying that they won't invade Ukraine and then claiming it's not a real invasion, but special operation or whatever. This is Soviet era dishonesty and I never expected to see something like this.
>>217357041No, but his track record on most he says does make it easy to assume he is wrong anyway
>>217358422>there's no reason to care about Putin's opinionThis attitude is what starts wars. You and the retarded politicians lack any kind of pragmatism.Maybe you should stick to MSM after all.
>>217358539Europe built up economic ties with Russia to dissuade them from future wars which was quite pragmatic. But it failed after Russia went full oligarchy because oligarchs don't care if average people suffer from economic collapse.
>>217357673Status on turdie tyrant controlled media?If he hates the West so much, he's free to leave anytime. I'm sure China, Russia, or Cuba will take him in (as long as he doesn't write anything critical of the government akin to his previous works written in the US)
>>217358621No, it failed when Europe did the one single thing Putin didn't want - expand NATO. Sure, countries are "independent", but they're not independent of their geography and, therefore, their neighbors, and some neighbors are more dangerous to piss off than others.The smart thing to do was to just do business with those gopniks and exploit them for their cheap resources until Putin died, and then adapt as needed again.
>>217356699you lost tranny
>>217358899I recall it was the US pushing Ukraine to join NATO, particularly after their little colour revolution in 2014
>>217358954It was in 2008. The books were closed, but they just wanted to piss Putin off anyway to destabilize Europe.
>>217358899Before the war started their demands grew exceptionally. European leaders wanted to negotiate, but the Lavrov basically said that NATO has to withdraw its forces from all East European countries that joined since 1999.That was unacceptable.
>>217358899>just cuck out, bro! Let russia dictate your governance!Could have worked if russia wasn't an abysmal failure and the USSR shat the bed. Turns out that people don't like it when you genocide them and try to replace their native cultures.
>>217356699They call it the news because they say what’s newSometimes, they aren’t honest about what’s new - they leave things out. Other times, they say what’s new and tell you how they think you should feel about that.Sometimes they call it the news but really it’s the olds. Much to ponder…
>>217359010Before the war happened it was already too late to change anything.It should never have happened in the first place.The 2004 expansion was the last one to not trigger any reaction, but the 2008 summit sealed the deal.>>217359044Cool, "keep it real" and then, predictably, bad shit happens.Neurotic dictators have a tendency to grow old and die, which is when you try to make some kind of move.That's how it's always been, at least when rulers were quite long-term and knew how to play the long game.
>>217357271well I do, standing in front of a greenscreen pretending to be in a futuristic command center by a city skyline is just as silly as some youtuber filming himself for video essay about some videogame with gameplay footage on the background
>>217358138I live in DC so the local news is the same as the national news except with the local crime report tagged on.
>>217358017>Is meterology female coded?we're on /tv/, you should have a clue
>>217359232russia is a sick dog that is flailing against the poorest country in Europe (despite the backing of BRICS/global south). It doesn't have a 'sphere' anymore (china took that), and they are seething. jewtin will drag this out as long as he can, maybe get another village or two, because his biggest fear is getting GADDAFI'ED, but it's already over for him (and his legacy). If we are in the muttipolar world order, brazil or india are far bigger players now
>>217356699Do you think she is happy?
>>217359379All the more reason not to expand NATO in the 90s.There was also a distinct lack of pragmatism on Putin's part as well when it came to the war.He could've completely avoided it by sending in some tanks as "peacekeepers" in Donbass, which would have cut off all paths to NATO, just like with Moldova and its Transnistria region and Georgia with South Ossetia.
>>217359379Ironically, Russia being perceived as strong and dangerous is caused by nothing else than american fear mongering
>>217359536Tell that to the Poles and Baltics
>>217359546No offense but the butthurt belt is completely irrelevant to what I would call global culture. nobody is asking latvians their opinion on Russia
>>217359508it made sense for them to leave (or try to) to preserve their culture. Those that were successful in joining NATO are essentially all better off now than russia in 2026. Russia started the war because a prosperous Ukraine (similar to Poland) would be the end for kremlin jews and gangsters that currently rape russia into poverty
>>217359598>butthurt beltbrown detected, opinion discarded
>>217359727Nice flavour of the month qualifier. 3 months ago you would have called me a tranny for daring to disagre with you
>>217359694>Those that were successful in joining NATO are essentially all better off now than russia in 2026Joining NATO was unnecessary for that, it would've happened anyway. Playing both the US and Russia would've been ideal, if the leadership was smart.By the way, that picture is exactly the kind of propaganda piece I'd expect from MSM.
>>217359878Take a look at how "playing both sides" ended for Ukraine and GeorgiaThe Baltics and Poland made the (right) choice and thrive because of it>t....that's cia propaganda!!! Neighboring countries love russia!!!You think russians would get tired of this copium after the first few decades>>217359810How's the weather in Hyderabad, rajeesh?
>>217357060Criticise the idea. How is he wrong, whatever he is up to? To repeat one of the ideas of consent manufacture: news presents things so fast and bitesize that it can't allow bandwidth for information complexity. This innately biases it to "facts" that are already pre-loaded in the viewers mind aka the common consensus. Like, if someone calls 4chan a degenerate pedophile hive of hackers and racists from the "dark web" and another guy tries to explain what a Pepe the frog is while dancing hitler gifs are playing behind him the average viewer will default to the first depiction as the correct one. This makes "news" and periodicals a natural tools of the establishment. They can bring people outside of the consensus only to confuse and alienate the audience while re-affirming the desired consensus and giving the naive image of free information and debate. The people that run news are not fools, they understand the consequences of their actions and the impossibility to inform on controversial topics, at least in the way all news is structured today - an the incentives it follows (advertisement money, peer respect among elites in the political, business, and journalist world). They choose to go forward anyway.... for reasons.How is this wrong?
>>217357019>>217357041Just a reminder that Chomsky didn’t write most of Manufacturing Consent and was embarrassed that his coauthor basically got no credit.
>>217357203The more things change, the more they stay the same
>>217357019Leftists dismiss any people with Epstein they listen toIt only matters when its DrumpfAll 10000 people on the Epstein list is just Trump repeated over and over t. TDS leftoid who started caring about Epstein suddenly
>>217359993>Take a look at how "playing both sides" ended for Ukraine and GeorgiaPissing off a big neighbor was a very stupid thing to do. There has to be a balance.>Neighboring countries love russia!!!You don't have to "love" anyone, you just have to not be a retard and maintain stable relationships, preferably those that benefit both sides.I'm not a fan of Putin, especially after he killed Nemtsov, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still in charge and must be accounted for.Basing political relationships on personal feelings is a relatively new phenomenon, and it's rapidly backfiring.The US isn't really a "friend" either, and only time will tell if betting it all on them was a good move. Judging by latest events, it doesn't really look that way.
