Did Joan of Arc actually do anything, or was this just French propaganda from Besson?
>>217357822She died on a pyre, if I recall correctly.
>>217357866To be fair, that's hardly an achievement during those times
>>217357822Yeah; she btfo'd the English so hard that they still haven't recovered mentally.With that being said you shouldn't watch Bessonslop when the passion of Joan or Arc exists and is a far superior film.
>>217357822She was literally a schizo who heard voices. Ofc she never fought in reality
>>217357822she didn't fought personally but she actually led armies by waving her banner she really and she managed to raise the spirits of the french armies which allowed them to finally win the war
>>217357938In other words, she was a mascot.
She died a virgin.
>>217357822I wouldn't say a single word to them. I would listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did.
>>217357822She met Bill and Ted
>>217357971I could have fixed that.
>>217357938Pretty much this. You have to remember most historical combats involving melee fights were lost because of one of the armies routing so morale is a really strong factor
That's a cute guy but an ugly woman
>>217357944yeah, she almost certainly never had armor that wouldn't exist in girl size
>>217358101The dauphin, who could presumably afford to retain a blacksmith to personalize it, gave her a suit of armour.
>>217357822lesbian propagandawomen having short hair was a fopa back then btw
>>217358101She had a polished steel armor (as in, not painted, considered higher quality) paid for by the royal treasury, it's verified by her trial transcripts.
>>217357822>Joan of Arc>French propaganda from Besson>from Bessonholy shit, the education system of burgerland is really as shitty as all the people outside burgerland says, you cant be this retarded
>>217358277>nobody:>e*opeans: BUT AMERICANS!!! absolutely mind and buck broken
>from Besson
>>217357822 She definitely didn't see her mother get raped, I can tell you that much
>>217357822She did about as much as William Wallace
>>217357822She was a figurehead, like most women in society.
Why does this place hate Joan of Arc so much?
>>217357822the only time she actually tried and fight in a battle she was captured If I remember correctly
>>217358911Why are you such a pussywhipped pussy?
>>217358911French
>>217358725Wallace ambushed a peacekeeping mission at Stirling and had the treasurer skinned alive, which is more than Joan did.
>>217358970Wait isnt that a war crime?
>>217357822This movie was my sister's favorite growing upShe is now a single mom with two kids from two fathers. Our dad would no doubt be unhappy but he died in a work place accident when we were teenagers.
>>217359005englishmen canonically cucked the highlanders stablishing prima nocte though.I would be mad too.
The English burned her hahaha
the shit that schizophrenics managed to accomplish throughout history is insane, nowadays we just put them in hospitals or condemn them to a meaningless hobo life which is why the present is such a shitty and soulless reality
>>217359022>prima nocteisn't that just a myth?
>>217357822Yes, she did quite a lot. Anyone saying she was just a cheerleader is huffing copium. She was specifically well regarded at commanding cannons, which some people think she got good at by actually being willing to talk to the people using the artillery, which would generally be below more normal commanders. She also dunked on the learned men during her tries. Even her scribes accounted that writing her letters for her was like listening to a general who had fought in a dozen campaigns. You don't impress the people she impressed by being a mascot.
>>217359007>She is now a single mom with two kids from two fathers.Joan would disaprove of this.
>>217359007Is she hot? You should give her the third kid.
>>217357878It was the worst punishment for a devout christian, because you don't get buried and your cinders get thrown in the wind. Not to mention the pain of course.>>217357822She got hurt three different times on the front. She didn't kill anyone but it was not her role. She was probably more like a standard bearer. Besson did her really bad in the movie btw, he makes her look like a schizo psychobitch while she was actually much more sane than that, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to go that far and impress all these seasoned warriors. Most people have a very caricatural view of Jeanne d'Arc, and that movie didn't help. And contrary to popular belief, she wasn't a poor peasant, her family was in the medieval equivalent of middle class.
>>217359086yeah,pretty much,commoners did sell their daughters to the highborn,or they were abused just because,but there was never an institution that regularized that behaviour.
She broke her sword hitting prostitutes on the bum and she was going to attack the Bohemian faggots just before the King sold her out.No woman in history could ever hope to be this based ever again.
>>217359433>still seething about battlewagons
>>217359063Do you realize that a lot of great composers and artists would have been thrown in psychiatric hospitals and transformed into barely cognizant vegetables thanks to drugs nowadays? That's the wonders of psychiatry.
>>217357822>Did Joan of Arc actually do anythingyeah, she gave me a boner
>>217357822She was basically used as a symbol by the Men who were actually leading thingsFor instance she kept wanting to join the French Vanguard but the Dude who was actually in charge kept her in the Main army where she could act as a symbol and to not put her in dangerHer only value really was as a symbol
>>217359022>canonicallyPrima noctae never existed. It's made up.
>>217359462If you think about it, these prostitutes were a very potent biological hazard for the soldiers thanks to all the STD they were carrying. She did the right thing.
>>217359476exactly, we neuter and silence potential greatness because it's uncomfortable, now only sociopaths manage to get into relevant positions and that's the lamest mental illness
>>217357822>Marge Simpson .jpgI just think she's neat
>>217358911Only godless redditors and Bongs hate Joan of Arc. Like anything that reminds them that there's a higher power in this world.
>>217359569Wut? I was talking about Hussitle battle wagons. It was a joke about how mad they made people at the time because it wasn't "proper" warfare.
>>217359569>60 years after her death the French invasion of Naples ended in disaster and the army that had brought all of Italy to it's knees was undone after the first known instance of Syphilis in Europe broke out in the French camp Jeanne did nothing wrong.
>>217359631That's the trait that gives the most power over others in a pacified and sanitized society.>>217359667Sorry I wanted to quote the anon you were responding to, since Jeanne d'Arc managed to get rid of the prostitutes following the army.
>>217358911Her existence proves that God actually has a soft spot for France specifically.
>>217358911Seething bongoloids.I love women full of fervor and zeal. Even french ones.
>>217359687>Send rotten pussies on the enemy troops>Wait for a bit>??????>ProfitWarfare isn't that complicated
>>217359759WIFF PASSION!
We have enough friendly and hostile testimony to show that she was a skilled commander. >The cumulative testimony of her comrades-in-arms shows that Joan was no mere inspirational figurehead. She was repeatedly present when key decisions were being made in councils of war and she repeatedly forced those decisions to reflect her expressed will. To what extent her strategic and tactical opinions were the product of her own rational military calculations or were the product of her belief in otherworldly inspiration can never be known. Still... One may attempt to draw the organizational chart of the French high command however one chooses but the fact is that Joan was the ultimate driving power behind every aggressive move the French army made.http://www.stjoan-center.com/military/stephenr.html
>>217359796FORR JUSTIFF
>>217357822I would just like to add that contemporary sources noted that she was absolutely STACKED. We’re talking G cup at least. I would like any future adaptation to reflect this absolute fact in its casting choice for Joan.
>>217357916>Atheist retard cannot comprehend divine inspiration.
>>217359735*Had. Those times are long gone sadly.
>>217359338Schizo psychobitches are how religions are made, anon
>>217359838>contemporary sources noted that she was absolutely STACKED.you just want her to be played by sweeney don't youwhich is stupid because that'll just turn the movie into another metoo slop or interracial porn
>>217359863If you too hear voice of the god maybe you should visit doctor.
>>217359838>her squire Jean d'Aulon said "I saw Joan get ready for the night, and sometimes I looked at her breasts, which were beautiful.”What the fuck was his problem? Why was he creeping on la Pucelle?
>>217358916She successfully fought in the Loire campaign. She was only captured because the mayor of Paris closed the city gate too early.
>>217359932They addressed this during the trial. The men saw her as an asexual angelic being.
>>217359338damn looks like she had juicy knockers
>>217359932People were used to seeing each other naked back then. Privacy isn't really something people do by default.
>>217359913Good goy.
"Depressed revenues were a much greater threat to the Lancastrians than any Joan of Arc"Actual quote from a historian Joan of Arc was always propaganda
>>217359838Not only that but she also had a beautiful face. On top of being an actual virgin. She was very careful, and she managed to stay pure until the end, which is crazy considering the kind of men that were surrounding her.>>217359895You aren't as knowledgeable as you think you are.>>217359958Canonically, yes.
>>217359903>big boobs mentioned>instantly starts thinking about trannies and niggersI think you need to go outside.
>>217357916>>217359063>>217359895Calling her schizo is just a way for atheist midwits to explain away what they don't understand. No wonder you people are such willing goycattle.
>>217359958>>217359957>>217359932Imagine boobies made of divine light instead of fat and firmament instead of skin, tipped by beautiful areola made entirely of ambrosiahow are smelly, ugly fat biological human women ever meant to compete?
>>217359997This silly nigga believes magic is real
>>217359932imagine being in a battlefield constantly surrounded by mud, sausages and misery but then the person you squire for, which happens to be the only beautiful young woman that isn't a plagued whore you've seen for the good part of a year, flashes her beautiful tits at you every night. I'd feel blessed, not looking would be borderline offensive
>>217359838>>217359982show me these alleged sources
>>217358101She wore male armor. And they burned her to dressing like a man.
>>217359979"Anon is a faggot making up quotes."Actual quote from your father.
>>217359997>>217359666>calling people redditors while worshipping a transgender heretic
>>217358911/tv/ is the most incel filled board, second only to /pol/.
>>217359997>divine inspiration ends with her getting burned alive after she has dutifully played her partnice god you have there
>>217359997true she was actually a total set up job by the french court to win back peasant support after they'd been raped by taxes worse than the english. Fun fact when the english burned her alive 35k french people turned up to watch and celebrate.
It was a crime what happened I would've saved her
>>217359338>medieval equivalent of middle classNo such thing.
>>217360056She was neither.
>>217357822She did everything.
>>217360078Free will.
reminder her charges were only for cross-dressing
>>217357822hows the movie?outfits and armors looks on point, and it stars Malkovich
>>217360078>Divine inspiration ends with her turning the tides of the war, going to Heaven, and becoming a revered Saint.
>>217360022This nigga believes what Professor Goldstein tells him.
>>217359997>Calling her schizo is just a way for atheist midwits to explain away what they don't understand. No wonder you people are such willing goycattle.
>>217357822There is only one Joan
>>217360095There was though, you will note he doesn't say middle class, but medieval equivalent, which would be a peasant family that's too well off to do things like sewing, and are allowed to travel somewhat. Joan was actually a bit of a snob about it to the peasant girls of lower status.>>217360168Which is also horseshit because people got away with cross-dressing literally all the time.
>>217360168based france
>>217360140> everythingEven the backdoor entry if you know what I mean?
Why does God hate anglos so much?
>>217360084>35k french people turned up to watch and celebrate.So we're just making shit up now, huh?
>>217360099A court made up of the best-qualified experts available at the time, doctors of theology, canon lawyers, senior clergy, conducted a careful, by-the-book trial of Joan of Arc, and they concluded that she was a heretic and, by any reasonable modern reading, trans.She consistently rejected women’s clothing, even when explicitly ordered to wear it, and even when her life depended on it. She insisted on male dress, male armor, and a male social role, and she justified this not as a temporary convenience but as something divinely required of her. If someone today insisted this strongly on living as a different gender, you would immediately call them trans. That alone makes her a heretic, but she of course also claimed direct communication with heavenly figures and placed those voices above the institutional Church, which makes the case as obvious as it can be.
>>217360232>Orchestrated a reason to make them abandon their contenental ambitions thus kickstarting a chain of events that lead to the largest empire the world has ever seen.I dunno worked out pretty well for them for centuries.
>>217360232Er strafe england.ER STRAFE ES!
As an Anglo, she was the bravest frenchman we ever faced.
>>217360250> If someone today insisted this strongly on living as a different gender, you would immediately call them trans.i would call xer mentally ill.
>>217360030See>>217359932>>217360078You only say that because you think existence is all about the material world. That's nothing compared to eternity.>>217360168And the bongs did her dirty, since they forced her to dress as a man in her cell after she promised to not do it, which made her a relapse.>>217360239That's probably a seething bong. Same for >>217360250, who forgets to mention that she got canonized at the beginning of the 20th century, which wouldn't have been possible if she was an heretic.
>this woman was so powerful>she just acts and looks like a manworst meme.
>>217360261Eh it really came down to the Spanish Armada never actually making it to England. Having more or less land in France wouldn't have made any difference.
>>217360206Yes.
>>217360305Keep coping, Joan of -ACK was trans.
>constantly on the front lines>didn’t die >travelled with sex starved French male solders>was never raped or tempted to sinDo people seriously still deny that she wasn’t divinely inspired?
>>217360250>Trial was so obviously rigged that even the clerks in charge of recording it knew it was bullshit and secretly defended Joan in their notes and the Pope ordered a retrial as soon as he found out about it.
>>217360313Having to fight to hold France would have been an impossible drain. Civil wars forever.
>>217359876je suis aussi d'accord que toi pour critiquer Macron et sa politique mais quelque chose me dit que ce dessin a été fait par un gauchiste
>>217360348>these things are definitely true, the people who wrote it explicitly to be propaganda definitely wouldn't lie or bend the truthlolpeople can watch the Renee Good clip right now and see how both sides have two entirely different interpretations, but war stories from 200 years ago were definitely real
>>217360176it's kino. it's not perfect and critics hated it on release. a little campy and overacted in some parts, but it's the movie that convinced me that milla jovovich could act. great cinematography and battle scenes too.
>>217357822>Did Joan of Arc actually do anything,she saved France, they would have failed without her. The film is blasphemous as she is presented as a lunatic. Besson will burn in hell.
>>217357822She was gathering a crusade against the Hussites just weeks before they got her. Fucking cunt.
>tfw no french gf who can speak to god.Why would the English burn her when they can steal her to wed
>>217359979>"Depressed revenues were a much greater threat to the Lancastrians than any Joan of Arc"typical retarded bullshit propaganda against Joan
>>217360450Invading France and hating trans people are deep in the English blood
>>217357822blasphemers in this thread will be punished, no mercy. Joan is a Saint.
>>217357822I know they are pretty smart and everything but it’s weird that France was being run by a dolphin
>>217360370Actually I wish to add to this, had it been 2-3 generations earlier then holding France would be much more reasonable as an idea. But by this point they had culturally moved too far away.
>>217360468Why is France the only country that gets a saint?
>>217359519My Mom wanted me to go to the same college as Leelee Sobrieski and stalk her and meet her and I guess wife her. Looking back my Mom was based and I should have done it.
>>217360060its called poltv for a reason. easily the 2nd worst board
>wake up>remember Agincourt>laugh at the french
>>217359086>>217359554the funniest thing about "prima nocta" is that every single european country had stories about how OTHER european countries practiced this barbaric practice, but of course not them. such an obvious case of shitflinging proto-nationalism and retards still act like it was real because some it happened in some blockbuster action movie
>>217360579The victorians damaged our understanding of history by deciding that every tiny barbarous thing they ever read about must have been REAL because they were dumb and smelly back then.
getting nostalgia over that time I told my gf she should name her druid FirstNight, it's lunar and shit.
>>217360579Reminds me of how, for whatever reason, all of Ancient Rome’s enemies held their wives in common and fought naked (at least according to Roman historians.)
I don't get it, if prima nocta wasn't real then why did Braveheart attack the english? If not for the prima nocta they weren't any more tyrannical than the scottish lairds.
>>217360579>every single European country had stories about prima nocta>"NOOOOO I WILL JUST DISMISS THIS ABUNDANCE OF SOURCES BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT MY WORLD VIEW!!!"Prima Nocta is only questioned by people who have an ideological obsession to pretend that the middle ages were actually amazing
>>217360643war is literally retarded, you are literally fighting for some guy to be richer, it's all bullshit.
>>217360389>conflating first hand accounts with secondary interpretationsSasuga, faggot-kun.
>>217357822She helped her husband Noah take care of the pairs of animals.
>>217360643William Wallace was fighting for his lands. It had nothing to do with women or justice.
>>217357822I cant believe Joan of Arc was real.>14 year old girl tells village she talks to God>"UUUUUUUUUHM GOD SAYS YOU SHOULD ALL FOLLOW ME">IN A FUCKING WAR by the way>Peasants do, no question askedThis just makes no sense
>>217360662what the fuck does a first hand account matter when I can watch a video right now and the world is split with two entirely different views of what I just watched?Do you seriously not understand how these things relate? It being a "first hand account" is meaningless when literal empirical proof is meaningless, obviouslyStop being a stupid idiot>people in the past definitely didn't lie or exaggerate war historyl m a oYou're probably right it was a divinely inspired tranny that talked to god. yeah that's it.
Well I got to say I played a lot of Age of Empires 2 and I never see my knights or my king in regicide go around trying to fuck the female villagers. Prima noctis sounds like a hoax. And while Joan is definitely a capable knight unit she is too vulnerable to actually have fighting in the frontline where she can die to 1 pikeman, this doesn't diminish her worth as a military commander and inspiration for my paladins.
>>217360039Thats a direct quote from Desmond Seward, retard. You are such an embarrassingly stupid dipshit. This book- https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Hundred_Years_War.html?id=wwpT6Ch367QC&source=kp_book_description
>>217360710finally some actual analysis.That said her dying isn't a big deal. She respawns.
>>217360649>Hello people I wish to be loyal to me, I will make your property (wife) damaged goods.>this will make you loyal to me and won't piss off the church at all.Also, you know, when the sources are always "those other guys, that go to a different school so you can't meet them totally do this" they aren't good sources.
>>217360698>a secondary observer is the same as a first-hand participantYou stupid nigger.
>>217357892Extremely underrated post, literally no reason for the thread to continue after this.
>>217360649they all go into detail about how there's no proof it ever happened in their own country, but that their cousin met a guy who knew someone from *other country* that TOTALLY has stories about it happeningyou're genuinely room temp iq
>>217360694The French people wanted to fight. Their nobility was failing to do its job since nationalism wasn’t something they cared about. Joan rallied the French people. Incidentally her massive influence and popularity may have been why they killed her in the end.
>>217360742>still missing the point after it was spelled out for youmy man
>>217360733>She respawns.Not on my machine, I'm still playing the 2006 version of the game.
>>217360760Nationalism wasn't a THING, period.
Reports of men fighting each other for the right to marry Jean!
>>217360767My bad I've been playing Age of Empires 4. History can be subject to interpretation.
>>217360741>>Hello people I wish to be loyal to me, I will make your property (wife) damaged goods.According to this logic, there could never be unjust institutional practices by rulers
>>217360508Eldest daughter of the church.>>217360524Go back>>217360694It didn't happen like that
>>217357822Oh yeah she was essentially a general and she also completely changed the trajectory of the war from the English dominating to the French pulling ahead.
>>217360643>If not for the prima nocta they weren't any more tyrannical than the scottish lairdsyou now understand that feudal wars were entirely bullshit and the nobles in every country were the same.the historical war that braveheart is loosely based on was strictly about whether the deceased king of scotland had willed the kingdom to england. he didn't, it was blatant bullshit by the english nobility, and the entire thing was just power politics. the king of england wanted to tax scotland so he claimed he was named heir by the late king on his deathbed
>>217360763>Different interpretations means there's no actual truth and first hand accounts don't matterNo I get it, you're a stupid faggot.
>>217360772chuds will screech hard at this post. they are fundamentally incapable of understanding that nationalism has a (fairly short) history rather than being a timeless thing
>>217359735Based>>217359666Also based
>>217360754True but we're here to argue after all
>>217360760>be 30 year old farmer>some 14 year old bitch with zero military experience (that probably cant even read or count) tells me to follow her because she speaks with God>Sounds like great idea since i want to fight anywayDo you understand how silly this sounds?
>>217360798This isn't something like sumptuary laws, this is literally fucking with a core part of their religion. That doesn't typically go well.
I only wish Saint De'Arc was alive so she can tell us to kick back the africans back to african and muslims out
If Joan was cute and feminine I'd like her but she was a troon so I hate her
She converted millions to catholicism.
>>217360863Given africans are some of the most die-hard christians in europe she'd probably find common cause with those ones.
>>217360863All you need is another Napoleon"If I were black, I would be for the blacks. But I am white so I will be for the whites instead."Thats a real quote from himTranslated obviously
>>217360855Do you understand how silly it sounds that you wouldn't? This little teen girl is about to liberate all of France in the name of God and you're sitting there asking whether you would join her? Fucking retard.
>>217360888converted!
>>217360855>she's hot as fuck with great tits>Maybe she'll fuck me if I helpNow you understand
>>217360911>army of simpsThey really do move nations
>>217360855>retarded 21st century secular liberal doesn't understand how deeply held religious beliefs were in the 1400syou don't have to agree with it, but that was a legitimate source of authority for medieval people, not just uneducated peasants. she didn't personally lead thousands of peasants on her own, she convinced the nobles to keep fighting. presentism is such a scourge for midwits that try to be "historical"
>>217360900>>217360911>>217360923The promise or even the possibility of pussy is the only thing that will make men do anything. Nothing else matters
>>217360213Not only that, Tomas Aquinas literally listed defending your chastity as an acceptable reason for crossdressing, something her judges conveniently forgot.
>>217360936>retarded 21st century secular liberal doesn't understand how deeply held religious beliefs were in the 1400sYou act like people back then were drooling fucking retards. >WAAAAAH SHE SAYS SHE SPEAKS TO GOD>NO WAY SHE IS LYING BECAUSE ITS A SIN>GOD WOULD PUNISH HER>SINCE HE DOESNT, IT MEANS WHAT SHE SAYS IS TRUTHWould never fucking work even in 1400s, people werent THAT FUCKING NAIVE.
>>217360947>every man is a pussywhipped beta virgin like meNope.
>>217360995Its fact that most men are pitiful simps
>>217359036The English got cucked out of their rightfull continental clay hahaha
>>217360991again, you assume that to believe in higher powers requires you to be stupid. you genuinely cannot comprehend how other people think, you must be a legit autist
>>217360991You're the retard here because you're not making the effort to read all the numerous articles about her story. It absolutely didn't happen like what you think.
>>217360991Bro people literally believed in magic, not necessarily in wizards casting spells, but that there was magic shit out there.To the point that when the colonists in America heard that there was a kind of Jewish magic to get deeper meaning from the bible (Kabbalah) they were like "Yo we need to get some Jews here to teach us this shit" because they had a deep belief in the idea of reading your own bibles and doing it yourself rather than having it be dictated to you.
>>217360532Why not Crecy?
>>217360324>Yes.
>>217361026please enlighten me how exactly thousands of people rallying around 14 year old girl that cant read or write just because she says God talks to her is not stupid.>again, you assume that to believe in higher powers requires you to be stupid. Never said this btw, I believe in God myself, never judged anyone for his/her beliefs >>217361066Thats the story i was told by discovery channel, so thats what i am talking about. I dont mind whats wrong with it if you have more info.
>>217361122goalposts successfully moved, poltv proving once again its full of the biggest retards on the internet
>>217360649hello plebbit
>>217361096>Faggotry is totally white, you guys! BAP and all of his based Israeli friends said so!
I wish I would have been around in the dark ages, I would have just told people to give me all their money because God told me that I deserve it more and they would have had to do it
>>217361122>discovery channelGod help us. Just use Google bro, www.jeanne-darc.info is pretty good. For one your premise is absolutely wrong, she actually went to school (which was obviously quite different during the middle ages, there was no obligation to go to school), and she knew how to read. Like I already said her family wasn't poor, her father was a local sergeant or doyen, and as a consequence she was far from being stupid and she had education, but it's pretty obvious if you took attention to the thread. Now if you're really interested about her story read the website above, as a Christian it should catch your attention.
>>217359932He was French please understand
>>217360250>but she of course also claimed direct communication with heavenly figures and placed those voices above the institutional Church, which makes the case as obvious as it can be>Oi you think God is above the Church? BURN HER!That's pretty much how it went down? Not making the case you might think you're making and I would do what noone else did with Joan of Arc which was to listen.
>>217361605>He was straight please understandFtfy
>>217360454Anglo "historians" start to become easier to spot over time. Our entire Anglocentric world has been a disaster for mankind and people are brainwashed to reflexivly defend it. Try talking to one of them about how bad the UK and France teaming up with Turkey to keep Constantinople as Istanbul ended up being and they'll just mutter>muh Mediterranean trade routesand other noncery
>>217359962>if you don't trust a schizo following a religion made by a jew worshipping yaweh the jewish god then you're a goy being manipulated by jews
>>217360678Wait I thought she was the spirit of the ship?
Holy shit I love being french
>>217361317you can do that right now, just open a protestant church in burgerland kek
>>217360897Another great man that the Eternal Anglo had to stop to "save" us. Fun fact the heroes in Poe's The Pit & The Pendulum were Napoleonic troops who rescued the MC from being tortured to death by Spanish Catholics.The UK as an island off of Europe has always had a vested interest in keeping Europe weak and divided because a united Europe would laugh at a small island of dysgenic freaks but if you make all the Europeans kill each other you can swoop in and be the winner. That's basically the last 500 years of European history.
>>217361906But she wasn't a schizo. Far from it. If you read the minutes of her trial it's evident that she was far from being crazy. Keep in mind that she was only 18yo and that these texts come from the anglos themselves.>“Will you refer yourself to the judgment of the Church on earth for all you have said or done, be it good or bad? Especially will you refer to the Church the cases, crimes, and offenses which are imputed to you and everything which touches on this Trial?”>“On all that I am asked I will refer to the Church Militant, provided they do not command anything impossible. And I hold as a thing impossible to declare that my actions and my words and all that I have answered on the subject of my visions and revelations I have not done and said by the order of God: this, I will not declare for anything in the world. And that which God had made me do, had commanded or shall command, I will not fail to do for any man alive. It would be impossible for me to revoke it. And in case the Church should wish me to do anything contrary to the command which has been given me of God, I will not consent to it, whatever it may be.”
>>217362056Bruh Napoopan was sufficiently bad that people were calling each other Napoleons before the term fascist turned up.
>>217362020meh its easier to open a daycare for Muslim children if you want free money
>>217361122Well, first of all she was about 17-18 when she begun her career, not 14. More importantly, she earned the admiration by hard work. When she first joined with the army there was absolutely some skepticism and attempts to keep her out of military council. But she didn’t accept that, and every source available to us basedfaces about her repeated displays of exceptional courage, piety and force of will at Orleans. And then she proceeded to take the army on a short but intense victory run with far more victories than setbacks, consistently living up to every medieval notion of leadership while doing so.
>>217362101>Bruh Napoopan was sufficiently bad that Anglos were calling each other Napoleons before the term fascist turned upYes isn't it interesting? According to the Anglo Historians they only fought the bad guys and everyone they ever fought wasn't just a bad guy but the worst bad guy. That's exactly what I'm getting at friend.
>>217361900>out of nowhere, seething about the Crimean Waryou're Russian, aren't you ?
>>217362062You realize that someone could have told her to say that, right?
>>217361317go back to r/atheism, retard
>>217358911I don’t hate her at all, her story is hilarious. Like imagine there’s one of those crazy homeless people yelling about god and the end of the world, and George bush picks him up off the street to use as a mascot when the US invades iraq, the dude just smokes meth and yells incoherently, the army thinks he’s hilarious. Then later generations credit him with defeating the Iraqi army. Just lmao. That’s joans story. The fact that feminists latch on to it makes it even more funny. It’s just an awesome story
>>217362062Even if we accept the atheist wordview, it would be wrong to insist on her being crazy. We can also easily argue that she was playing the part of the mystic to attain rank and influence otherwise unattainable to her. This was an era where many people claimed divine revelations, Joan herself personally got invested in exposing another woman running a scam trying to monetize supposed revelations.We really can’t know if she was a loon or an actor, or actually a messenger from God). But regardless of this she consistently showed impressive courage and accomplished great things.
>>217362148I'm sure that 7 different coalitions came about from the pure will of the anglo.
>>217357822She never even existed, like Hellen Keller.
>>217357822Joan fulfilled a prophecy tracing its roots back to Arthurian legends and performed miracles witnessed by many observers.
>>217362161>CYKA BLYAT!No sadly I'm not bad enough at counterstrike. As a mutt I have Russian heritage if that helps? Also I'm the pro Napoleon poster and he got BTFO'd by the ice orcs. You don't have to be Russian to be anti UK. You just have to notice a recurring pattern/theme of England destroying Europe. Much like when England gave the Soviets Rolls Royce jet engine technology they used to shoot down Americans in Korea and Vietnam. Thanks Buddy!
She was friends with one of the most evil men in history a serial killer…
>>217357822did nothing, just a propaganda character
>>217362166Like who? The ones who were trialing her because they wanted to get rid of her? You fags are grasping at every single little straw I swear.>>217362205While you have a point, she got canonized because the church recognized her miracles. Of course the fact checkers won't care about it, but it's not just the story of a manipulative maiden.
>>217357822The sources available to us all agree on Joan being pivotal to ending the siege of Orleans in a matter of days, the following Loire campaign happened because of her, and the march on Rheims was her idea. Charles being crowned king in Rheims with the magic oil happened because of her, and placed the Armagnacs in a much stronger position they could have hoped to be in before she showed up, making negotiations with the Burgundians possible. As for Besson. What I like about his Joan is that she’s easily the most believable martial Joan out of all the movies. None of the other actresses can match the intensity displayed by Mila. Unfortunately he went full reddit by making her a goofy, rambling loon that nobody takes seriously.
>>217357892And yet her closest friends were her worst enemies in the end.
>>217362295Sure, my point is that even those that sneer at religion don't have a good case for dismissing her as craycray.
>>217361241>bringing up twitter e celeb retards out of nowhereTypical internet spic tradcath
>>217362341King Charles gets a worse rep than he deserves imo. He had no chance at taking Rouen by force, nor did he have the money to ransom her, and there were plenty of other important people he should have been ransoming as well.
>>217362342That's just their usual way to deal with the stuff that doesn't match their worldview. If it doesn't fit in one of their little mental boxes, they'll just try to ridicule it. These people are the modern pharisees.
>>217357822>bishop who persecuted her was posthumously excommunicated>when his body was discovered while renovating a parking lot, they didn't bother to rebury him or mark his grave based
>>217360056>t. Seething English judge
>>217357822Give that bitch a cannon. Bitches love cannons!
The funniest part about the Hundred Years' War is that it was Norman French-speaking nobility sending angloid peasants to die for their claim to the French throne. The Normans wouldn't start learning middle English until decades after the war started so they literally couldn't even talk to angloid peasants. They just rounded them up and shipped them to a foreign land to get killed for their dynastic ambitions. For some reason it's framed as English people invading France for reasons no one even knows. But there wasn't even an English identity when the war broke out, just anglo saxons being ruled by foreigners who they couldn't even communicate with.
As for Joan in the field, the testimonies and chronicles available to us paint a picture of somebody actively trying to live up to medieval ideals of leadership, and in general doing well.She straight away sought to learn horsemanship and skill at arms, as this was expected of anybody supposed to command, and we have multiple witnesses describing her being an fine equestrian and training with the lance, as well as various sidearms. But her career was chiefly owed to her courage and repeated fortune, (with something like 10 out of 13 battles she participated in being victories). When she began her career there absolutely was a boys club that wanted to exclude her from military councils, considering her only good for carrying her cute little banner. But at Orleans she repeatedly insisted on participated in military councils to speak her mind, and in one case appealed directly to the troops to follow her out and put an English fort under siege, the captains summoned by her after the siege had been initiated. After Orleans all illusions of her playing the part of the docile mascot were gone, and she was a participant in strategic deliberations and commanded troops in the field herself on several occasions. And the witnesses we do have all say she did a fine job at it.And at the battlefield she went all in, always leading at the front and putting herself in the line of fire, insisting on returning to the field whenever wounded (3 times, 4 if we count caltrops). Both French and Burgundian sources lavish praise on her. She actively sought to set a personal example, be it on the attack or in defeat, or in her conduct away from the field (medieval sources again and again explain defeats with god punishing the losers for their sins, so she insisting on combating sin in her host was a sound move to improve morale). If you're interested in this, Stephen Richeys book on her makes a great case for arguing her military side, and Pernoud is the goat for anything Joan of Arc.
Our substitute history teacher showed us this movie in 8th grade with obviously no idea of how violent it was. You could see him panicking irl the more gore was shown but everyone in class was locked in lol. Kino movie
>>217362462Ah yes that was Pierre Cauchon (which funnily sounds the same as the word for pig in french, cochon).>In 1931, during renovations of the cathedral’s chapel, a sarcophagus containing a lead coffin was discovered. The remains inside were identified as possibly Cauchon’s based on physical traits: a height of 1.68 m, worn teeth, and hair still present. After examination, the remains were reinterred exactly as found, with no marker added to the site.
>>217362640>The funniest part about the Hundred Years' War is that it was Norman French-speaking nobility sending angloid peasants to die for their claim to the French throne. The Normans wouldn't start learning middle English until decades after the war started so they literally couldn't even talk to angloid peasants. They just rounded them up and shipped them to a foreign land to get killed for their dynastic ambitions.>For some reason it's framed as English people invading France for reasons no one even knows. But there wasn't even an English identity when the war broke out, just anglo saxons being ruled by foreigners who they couldn't even communicate with.Edward the 1st was speaking english to his subjects years before the hundred years war even started.French was the language of most of the elites of europe at the time.>die for their claim to the french thronethe average english farmer became massively rich from looting french cities it's not like as if they were cannon fodder
>>217362657>but she never killed anyone, heheMeh.* That’s thinking formed by videogames and action movies. No historical sources give us the personal kd of King Henry or Talbot, nor for La Hire or the Bastard of Orleans. And good luck finding any source faulting somebody for not personally getting their sword bloody in an otherwise victorious battle. People in the middle age were not dumb, they knew that effective military leadership does not require you to be the one stabbing the most people. Don't get me wrong. Courage and willingness to suffer injury they absolutely praised (and Joan receive her very fair share of this praise), but they would never ever go “Ummm, King Henry didn’t actually stab anyone at Agincourt, so really he was just a cheerleader while the real soldiers did the real work.”*It’s not even a meh. Both cases where it’s stated that Joan never killed anyone are in defense of her character. One is from her heresy trial, where the English tries to convict her for a long list of Old Testament commandments and laws (this including the good ol' Thou shall not kill), and Joan defending herself as best she could by denying every accusation brought against her. The other is from one of her military colleagues, who in the same breath lavish praise upon her for her military skills and worth.
