DON'T watch House of the Dragon. HBO done fucked with our boy and lad, George R.R. Martin.>“It’s worse than rocky, it’s abysmal. I hired Ryan. I thought Ryan and I were partners. And we were all through the first season. I would read early drafts of the scripts. I would give notes. He would change some things. It was working really well — I thought.”>When Ryan came to loggerheads with original Dragon co-showrunner Miguel Sapochnik, Ryan asked for Martin’s support in their dispute, and got it (Sapochnik left the show after season one).>“Then we got into season two, and he basically stopped listening to me. I would give notes, and nothing would happen. Sometimes he would explain why he wasn’t doing it. Other times, he would tell me, ‘Oh, OK, yeah, I’ll think about that.’ It got worse and worse, and I began to get more and more annoyed. Finally, it got to a point where I was told by HBO that I should submit all my notes to them and they would give Ryan our combined notes.”>Martin says he can’t say anything beyond this. But sources say Martin and Condal’s relationship deteriorated further and came to a head during a Zoom call with the show’s producers and some HBO executives. The purpose of the call was for Condal to present his vision for season three. After Condal spoke, Martin detailed his many objections and allegedly declared, “This is not my story any longer.”>After their contentious Zoom call, HBO asked Martin to step back from Dragon altogether. A few months later, the author was brought back aboard. “I can’t talk about it,” Martin says.>“George and Ryan had a disagreement on the direction of season three,” an HBO insider says. “At that point, it was clear that the process and communication with them was broken and needed a reset. So there was naturally a period where everyone took a step back for a while until we could figure out a new way forward.”
>>217357981>translation: i want your money but none of the responsibility/blame if the story turns out to be shitIf this is not your story anymore then STOP RECEIVING ROYALTIES, FATASS
>>217357981If only he could reclaim the story by, oh I don't know, finishing winds of winter and fire and blood 2.
>>217357981Well they need it to be finished so fuck off fatass.
>>217358118>>217358086The story HotD is based on is finished.
>There's sometimes a buggy. How many drivers does a buggy have?
>>217358247Pretty sure HoTD is all but confirmed to stretch further than the end of Aegon's regency.
>>217357981Dude is as bad at picking showrunners as I am at picking women
>>217358482source on that ?
>>217358557I read it on 4chan.And the fact that characters like Rhaena and Baela currently have no concrete ending but simply disappear into obscurity.
>>217357981>You have no authority here, Ryan Condal. No authority at all.
should've just finished the books you cocksucker
>>217357981It were proper unbo, I tell thee :(
>>217358596Do you feel in charge?
He's too tangled up in this HBO shit. Fat fuck was doomed by fame.
>fat liberal boomer gets swindled for easy cash, focuses only on his past, and neglects hus legacyMany such cases.
The worst seasons of Game of Thrones are still better than anything Martin ever wrote. Nobody is going to even mention House of the Dragon existing outside of saying it sucks.
>>217358795at least his family is gonna be filthy rich for the next few generations
>>217357981I have zero sympathy for him. He’s seen how contracts have been drafted for JK Rowling. He’s seen what happened to Tolkien’s works. If he were truly concerned with the end product, he would have demanded final approval of the script before it goes into production or other controls like JK Rowling has.
>>217357981Can’t authors get a clause in their contracts that gives them the final say on the script?With all the bullshit you see being done to good stories by mediocre screenwriters, you’d think they would insist on it.I guess it's too much power for the studios to give to the author.
>Do you have any idea how much money I spent on perfecting an AI to write the PERFECT version of The Winds of Winter? The manuscript is contained within that object. I've been searching for it for two hundred years. Delivery of the Platinum Quill is non-negotiable! It's MINE. Now be a good courier and DELIVER IT.
>>217358859he has children?
>>217357981source?
>>217358940Ah, shit.
>>217358756>Your writing and characterization have been important... 'til now
>>217358957google faggot
>>217358957It's fake. It would be all over reddit by now. His last words were about how happy he was about dunk and egg
>>217359013how much of a stupid faggot are you?https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/george-rr-martin-interview-thrones-winds-dragon-knight-1236473519/
Since OP is a cocksucker, here's the source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/george-rr-martin-interview-thrones-winds-dragon-knight-1236473519/
>>217357981>Sorry George. This is a Rhaenicent story now
>>217358842The best seasons of game of thrones were technically written by him you twat. Who do you think created the fucking story and characters?
>>217359039Sorry but I've gotten so sick of your racism and how disgusting you all are, your pol attitudes and how you are ruining society that I will not only not click on any link given by a polchud but I will not believe it until I see it on more solid websites.
>>217357981>And we were all through the first season.But the first season was an awfully mediocre snoozefest
>>217359104It's all over reddit, retard
>>217359104GRRM's bitched about HOTD before, you fucking loser. He wrote a blog post complaining about what they're doing to HOTD and immediately deleted it.
>>217359120They all they're missing you, faggot.Go back, be with your people.
>>217357981Considering his writing is garbage of the lowest order that doesn't mean shit.
>>217359188>They all they're lmao stupid faggot. try better next time, loser
>>217357981Who gives a shit what he thinks
>>217359211Sorry that should say "They all SAY they're missing you."I'm American, my brain doesn't work so good.
Didn’t George leave TV in the first place because he couldn’t realize his vision? Finish the books you fuck.
>it's a "lazy author loses all respectability and not even his showrunners give two shits about what the fat fuck has to say" episode
>>217359295>Didn’t George leave TV in the first place because he couldn’t realize his vision?Kek. Isn't it just generic fantasy slop with dragons and tits?
>>217357981>our boy and lad, George R.R. Martinlolwut...fuck GURM.
>>217359307God I hope he lives just long enough to watch his reputation turn to shit.
>>217359369no there's also an exceeding amount of descriptions of food, for obvious reasons. Just look at this passage in the scene where the Mountain crushes the other fag's head>There was a sickening crunch. Ellaria Sand wailed in terror, and Tyrion's breakfast came boiling back up. He found himself on his knees retching bacon and sausage and applecakes, and that double helping of fried eggs cooked up with onions and fiery Dornish peppers.
>>217357981He took the ozempic jab, rip
>>217358918kek
Your books were already shit after the 3rd one, Georgie boy.
>>217359571is he black
>>217357981So, GoT last two seasons are??
>>217358910Yes but as an author you need to be in a position where studios are coming to you and willing to concede that level of control like Rowling does. Otherwise it's a "take it or leave it, it's not like there aren't other fantasy IP's we can invest in" deal from studios
>>217357981Why does this guy keep letting HBO fuck him out of his shows and does he really think it won't happen again with Dunk & Egg?Also, Sapochnik was the genius who came up with the Conan show pitch to Amazon (who turned it down because it was too pro-masculinity) so him leaving after season 1 also helps explain why season 2 sucked so much
>>217357981Show was ruined once they got rid of Milly. Simple as.
>>217358888Holy quads of big brain confirms: This is good advice to anyone wanting to branch out their stuff before signing deals with creative control types
>>217359944It's also why Sanderson hasn't got a show greenlit yet - he refuses any contract that won't give him that level of control. I don't think modern hollywood would ever go for it though. Things were different when Rowling was getting the HP movies made.
>>217359911He doesn't give a shit any more.He makes a bit of performative noise and then goes and sells another Jun Snuw spinoff show to HBO.
>>217360007>George struggling to write anythingSurely this shit writes itself. Can't he just get chatgpt to fart something out? Who would even know the difference?
>>217360070The fat fuck is actually a pretty good writer and chatgpt is not.
>>217357981>our boy and lad, George R.R. MartinHe's not our boy. That guy sold us out and left us for the wolves over almost two decades ago. The loser strung us along like he doesn't owe the people that made him a popular writer and rich an actual completed story. Fuck him.
>>217360104>impotent bookfag rage
>>217360104Even bigger fuck you was books 4 and 5 just being world building meandering ending on cliffhangers
>>217360007Quite refreshing, actually. The whole fandom can stop with the speculation of whether or not he wants to work on the novel because this article makes it quite clear that he's fed up with entire thing
Y'all ever thought of this?
>>217359971Sanderson is getting a game at least, if it's good maybe they could give him a movie.Also it was why any kind of adaptation for Sandman died before netflix just saying fuck it and giving it to Neil himself.
Honestly, I think he won't be able to finish it. He's already 77 and we're not talking about a novella with 4 or 5 characters. It's a fucked up story with thousands of characters, so many different storylines all of them getting together. I bet he doesn't even remember half of the characters' names.Just look at Trump. He is going senile too. Mel Gibson too.
Based Condal forcing George to admit he's a whiny lazy fat fuck
>>217359860GRRM could've gotten that level of control if he wanted. He signed a new deal in 2021, near the height of his power, and decided not to put any control clauses or whatever in.
>>217357981makes sense. season two was complete dogshit, not saying season one was better but still.
>>217360496>2021, near the height of his powerhis power peaked in mid-2010s.
Do you think all of those trans fats will get to his pudgy senile head and George will inadvertently start posting his loli porn
>>217360538How can you think something is a steaming pile of dogshit and watch two whole seasons of it?What the fuck are you doing with your life, anon?
>>217358910He sold it before he became that big. The show is the only way he became big enough to demand that sort of thing, but he couldnt get the show without giving up those rights. Only Rowling was big enough to do this in the modern era. Literature is mostly a dead artform commercially.
>>217358041Unhinged opinion.
>>217361513Stfu and finish the book fat FUCK
>>217357981
>>217362347Darkstar being of the night and weaning on venom is one of the greatest lines in the global canon.
>>217358513Is he? GoT was a major success. The ending only sucked because he didnt finish his series.
>>217357981Yet the fattie was okay with D&D raping Game of Thrones all through seasons 5-8 (and arguably even earlier)?
>>217359184that post was hilarious.he was literally only mad that Helaena had one less son, because he thought it was super-important that the story feature an extra suicide in the epilogue. it was complete nitpicking about a scene that was obviously never needed in the adaptation.
>>217360092Gurm is an execrable writer and I say that as someone who has read 67 Star Trek TOS novels
>>217362980Don't think he was. But he probably felt some responsibility in regards to GoT since he's the one who hasn't finished the books on time. When it comes to HotD the source material is finished and GRRM handpicked Condal to adapt it for television, only for Condal to stab him in the back and turn it into his own fanfiction. I get why he would be more publicly outraged this time around.
>>217362980they stuck to his story. he told them how it ends and that stannis sacrifices shireen and still losescope
>>217362980Say what you will about Jew&Jew but at least they actually finished the fucking story
>>217363445>they stuck with 20 out of 300 conclusions! That's totally his exact story!you're really dumb
>>217363586lol stannis is dead in the show and the books. the pink letter is realcope
>>217357981>Then we got into season two, and he basically stopped listening to me.kek, he got the hollywood bait and switch like the chuds
>>217362347>buckbroken by chadstarmany such cases, but not everyone can be weaned on venom
>>217363060I was going to post a reaction image to make fun but then I remembered I read a similar amount of W40K novels
>>217359791Yep
Thank God the Jon Snow show was shelved. Him dying of PTSD in the North would have been way worse than anything in season 8. Why are actors so retarded?
>>217364080>no mention of Jon starting a family beyond the wall Targaryen bloodline is toast
>>217358041I'm sorry but no. George created a vague outline of the events and sprinkled enough lore in the form of worldbuilding, political intrigue and footnote characters for anyone with half a brain to stitch together a competent story. The problem with Ryan was that he either does not understand the source material at all and managed to bullshit his way into the role, or he never planned on making a faithful adaptation in the first place. I've personally gone over this since before the show aired on /tv/. It's not hard to write a good outline if you try to emulate the writing in ASOIAF. If you intend to match the books, you game plan for a large seemingly continuous series of events to appear on screen and have all the story and character arc complete, it's piss easy. 7 season, 1 pre war, 3 dance, 3 regency. No cast changing time skips. If game of thrones can tell a story without showing us the Greyjoy rebellion and Cersei popping every kid of her's, we can too for Rhaenyra giving birth and all the other silliness. Make it multi POV and Westeros spanning at the bare minimum, I'd personally add at least one Essos POV for each season. Sew things together, use the footnote characters and give them life. If we had spent seasons 1-2 getting to know Owen Costayne, giving him an understandable motivation like being madly in love with Samantha Tarly and made it out like a cliché knight saves the girl story initially, we could actually subvert the expectations of the audience in a way George would do. The audience would cry, the battle of the Honeywine would be a bittersweet tragedy, both sides have people were rooting for and care about. You get all this without having to butcher the source material, all you have to do is fill in the gaps. It's so fucking easy. This is what makes it so depressing when they choose to instead have Rhaenyra and Alicent incompetently girlboss their way around the Crownlands and love eachother more than their children.
>>217364080>12+ episodes of Beyond the wall (the episode) with Jon and his posse of funny wildlingsI fucking shudder, shudder, to even contemplate how shite this would have been
>>217363614For stannis to burn shireen - not his wife or melisandre but stannis himself, he would have to be in the same place as her. Shes not riding to him through a massive blizzard so... Sooo.... He will win, or barely escape with his life in some cowardly fashion. In either scenario, the pink letter is a big fat F A K E written by Barbary Dustin
>>217357981>write slop>produce slop>people realize the story is complete dogshit>WAIT, IT'S NOT MY STORY IT'S THEIRS
>>217364269Stannis sent instructions to burn Shireen with Tycho, stop coping
Go woke go broke
>>217357981Well he is a lazy fat fuck who can't finish anything. That is all he will be remembered for. The author who had a great series that turned to shit because they were too lazy to finish the story.
>>217364758That makes no sense. We see the message and orders he gives his knight on the page. One of those orders specifically names shireen his heir if he dies. I do think Stannis will burn her but the pink letter is an obvious forgery just like you are an obvious retard
>>217357981>>When Ryan came to loggerheads with original Dragon co-showrunner Miguel Sapochnik, Ryan asked for Martin’s support in their dispute, and got it (Sapochnik left the show after season one).Didn't Sapo have the reputation of a retard prior to HOTD S2 (never understood why exactly, perhaps due to his lighting choices)? That's what I had assumed, but empirical evidence suggests he was behind what made S1 great. I wonder what Condal's problem with him was... Maybe Sapo tried to rein his retarded ideas in and to remain loyal to the text?>>217359911>Also, Sapochnik was the genius who came up with the Conan show pitch to Amazon (who turned it down because it was too pro-masculinity) so him leaving after season 1 also helps explain why season 2 sucked so muchI thought Condal pitched Conan to Amazon, no?
>>217358756Read the novels. READ THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEM!
>>217365194While G.R.R. Martin hasn't released a mainline book in the A Song of Ice and Fire series, he has still released books set in the ASoIaF universe while working on t.v. shows, video games and other projects. So he pretty much has been doing more work than you have. Also, I don't read ASoIaF, and if you are the typical fan of ASoIaF, I for one hopes G.R.R. Martin never finishes his mainline series so that fuckers like you remain miserable for the rest of your life just because you can't finish your overly complicated book series on your TBR list.
Fell for it again award
>>217366240The last Asoiaf thing he wrote was world of ice and fire released in 2014. 12 years ago. (Fire and blood doesn’t count, he already wrote all that stuff and just condensed it for world of ice and fire, fire and blood was the full version he wrote)
In my headcanon Euron won and became an Eldritch entity who reigns all over the world. Far beyond of Westeros, so fuck off fatfuck.
>>217357981George gets a lot of hate but he is a pro
>>217366371As a reader myself and a fan of the series since the early 2000s, that's a lot of time to move on and read something else. I've stopped caring about the series 3 separate times now due to sheer passage of time.
>>217366872My headcanon is that in his moment of triumph Darkstar teleported behind Euron and cut him down while scoffing about how Oldtown is his to sack.
>>217365266Grrm likes to subvert expectations and do the opposite of any announced plans. Shireen is no heir, she's kindling.
>>217358041Ryan hands typed this
>>217358593Rhaena marries into house Hightower and has six daughters.Baela marries Alyn Velaryon, the legitimised Alyn of Hull; the main line of house Velaryon are descended from her. They may not have definite endings but the outline of their lives has certainly been drawn.
I feel superior for never watching house of the dragon because I knew for a fact it would be shit
>>217368226House of the dragon is one the instances where the chuds were actually right. All the problems stem from the fact the showrunners were too woke and leftist, there isn’t any other excuse this time. Sorry chuds you’re right
>>217359104kys faggot
>>217363015That was part 1 of a 6 part blogpost he was obviously mad about more than Haelaena and maelor (probably mostly mad that daemon is a faggot bitch now and his blackwoods were humiliated by Chad brackens)
>>217368226I only watched S1 and two minutes of S2 and then came here to see people shit on it because it was funny.
>>217358086I prefer the tv show to the books. It's easier to take in the story. You don't have to sit there and read words and turn pages. You can just sit there with your eyes open and have your hands free to eat things. You don't need an imagination. George describes things in the books with words, then you have to think about what the things look like. On the tv you can just show me some boobs and I instantly know I'm looking at boobs. Less headache. The tv show has a beginning a middle and an ending, like a story. The books just have this meandering thread that eventually stops in the middle. I like stories to follow this formula. It seems to have worked for hundreds of years. I don't know why GRRM suddenly thinks it's a great idea to stop halfway. But I guess he realises that books are for boring nerds and if you want nobody to read your story they are a good way to do that. Everyone else just watches tv. So, good call, George. For sticking with the superior form of media. Too bad no one can make good tv shows anymore though, huh?
>>217357981I can't wait to see the shitshow that s3 will be
>>217368423Just saying reading is hard would’ve been quicker bud.
>>217357981The GoT finale was based of his intended ending.Of course they aren’t going to listen to to fat retard anymore.
>>217368667The broad plot points were perfect. It was the execution that ruined it
>being too fat to writeDo Americans really?
>>217359452He already has people at cons asking him to his face if he plans to hand ASOIAF to another writer after he croaks without finishing it
>>217368759>perfectNah, bran being king is dumb no matter how you do it.
>>217366872>In my headcanon Euron won This wont happen>and became an Eldritch entity who reigns all over the world.This will happen (To Bran)
Blood and cheese and Helaena broke him.
>>217357981imagine writing books, as a white author, about a world of fantasy, sets in a medieval european world, filled with niggers by mentally ill producers, and still writing for them.really, why should he care?are you ill Georges? or what?
>>217359971Very strange considering he writes Japanese light novels for books but I guess even he has the love of his work to make sure it doesn't get somehow raped worse by companies
I still don't understand what possessed Ryan to cut Nettles
>>217369188The one character who is actually supposed to be black and he cuts her of all people.
>>217368423>I don't know why GRRM suddenly thinks it's a great idea to stop halfway.It allows him to maintain the illusion that he still has a story planned out that hypothetically is better than the TV series
grrm admits to being a woke feminist and you all go on and on about what a hack writer he is but when someone comes a long and tries to clean up his mess you all lose your minds
>>217369188Or would make rhaenyra look bad
>>217369939It would *
Reminder>Fatso will die of fat>/lit/fags will end up even more eternally BTFO than /tv/fags>ASOIaF will never EVER be completedImagine.
>>217370066/lit/ gave up on ASOIAF a decade back, kiddo
>>217370215Still there are bookfags out there.
>>217368959>This is your brain in /pol/We need a new word for this mental illness. Always bringing race and religion into everything.
>>217359549Unironically great worldbuild. Dornish peppers implies Dorne is the mexico of his world
>>217369352GRRM is a woke feminist, but he’s still a story teller first, and he isn’t fully obsessed to make the entire story about the patriarchy like Condal is. George is the author behind the mad dany plot line after all
>>217368306Chuds are always right. We were the only ones pointing out the drop in quality after season 4 while everyone else was gobbling that shit up, only for them say the exact same stuff we’ve been saying for years by the end of it. You should always listen to chuds, we’re ahead of the curve on this shit
>>217370249barely
Targaryens are still extinct and dany is still dead. I’m satisfied if the books never release because i want the show to be the only canon forever, I don’t want even a sliver of hope that dany or Jon win in the end
>>217368423
>>217360128Fat fuck
>>217358041hbo ceo that needs .1% more money is that you?
>>217370320And again the Redditor fails the mirror test
>>217362916have you never browsed a got thread before? or seen any of the negative media about d&d? or seen troy?
>>217358842>twenty good men!
>>217370438its spain dummy
>>217362916>ending only sucked because he didnt finish his series.So you’re saying that those guys who call themselves professional writers and were getting paid millions couldn’t write a coherent ending without George holding their pricks and showing them the way?
>>217357981@Grok is this a true quotation?
>>217368023grrm isn't subverting expectations retard, hes subverting the fantasy themes lotr defined. Everyone including the guy's post youre replying to already knows stannis will burn her but it wont be to fight the boltons (we already know he will win with the frozen lake). it will be to fight the others
>>217368226me 2
>>217358888This is true, but he naively assumed that they would be golden like with GOT. His boy Ryan turned out to be a turncoat, that's probably what sickens him the most. Season 2...uhh. The writers/show-runner have zero imagination. They had a main character walking around a ghost castle for half the season. Makes me wonder what Ryan has on them to keep that clown around.
>>217359295>Didn’t George leave TV in the first place because he couldn’t realize his vision?Lmfao. He didn't leave so much as he was shown out the door. His ambition was always being a tv writer not an author.
>>217358377>George, you seem like the kind of man that appreciates the good life a little too much.
People are tired of the woke leftist feminist shit. If house of the dragons released 8 years ago everyone would have loved it for being so brave and female centric. But they overstayed their welcome and everyone is tired of it, even the leftists themselves
>>217357981George sounds like an enormous and retarded pain in the ass to work with. Everyone has a problem with working with him.
>>217370949Why would you post that you're proud to be ignorant and that many words are a turnoff? That's really backwards of you.No wonder you're an incel loser.
>>217364269Why Dustin?
>>217371271>redditNTA, but if it's reddit to be a normal, non-judgemental, certainly non-hateful person who wants to discuss movies and TV without schizos bringing their social political religious rightwing shit in here, sure, I'm "reddit". And there's nothing you can do about it. Face it, you're never going to take this site over to be your nazi hugbox. You've driven a lot of smart people away, but many of us are just too stubborn. We're NEVER leaving. We're not going to use reddit either because we don't believe in censorship. We believe that we should be mature enough to stay on /pol/ with /pol/ opinions. But you're not on board with that. You think it's so important that it needs to be everywhere. And that makes you a little faggy baby. lol
>>217357981I remember the faggots in the HotD general during S1 that constantly said that GRRM had creative control because he was hired as a consultant, where are you now you fucking moronic niggers
>Ryan CondalGRRM seems like an easy mark for these schmoozers, he's got a bevy of talentless "assistants" that have made fortunes/careers off of himLibtard boomer is poor judge of character! Many such cases
A right wing showrunner wouldn’t have failed this hard. That’s just fact
>>217373262Name any fucking "rightwing" showrunner. And don't even try to tell me that Yellowstone guy. lol
>>217370320>Always bringing race and religion into everything.Like that prog faggot condal bitching about the og show having too many whites?
>>217373292DOWN WITH WOKESave the white race!!!!!!
>>217373280It’s the truth whether you want to admit it or not fag. Only a left wing shit like condal would make egregious lore killing race swaps and a lesbian love story out of nowhere.
>>217373280Nic pizzalotto made the best season of television of all time
>>217357981George Martin should have ultimate say in writing process. What he says goes.
>>217371263Fat jew who swindles his fanbase with fake promises is that you?
>>217373363So there are no rightwing showrunners. That's what I already knew. You shouldn't watch TV, chud. Society has moved on from what you want to see and not see.
>>217373315Yeah that’s what I thought.
>>217357981Gurm is a dumbass.HBO: "we'll pay you for your stories."GURM: "ok, cool!"HBO: "and we want to be able to do whatever the fuck we want with your stories."GURM: "ok, cool! what could ever go wrong with this deal?!"
>>217373413Apparently not, everyone’s rejecting the woke lesbian romance, even the gayest and wokest of people
>>217357981Sorry but I have zero sympathy for this liberal fatass. He deserves to watch his creation get raped, since he isn't even interested in completing the story.
>>217373280Vince Gilligan
>>217359571he's still almost 80, would be surprised if he lasts the decade
>>217373466What's liberal have to do with anything? You don't hold that against him when you're enjoying his work. Fucking incel chud.
>>217373555My old man was his size and lived to 90. It's an amazing age we live in.
>>217373559>enjoying his workWhat work?
>>217357981Whiny fat bitch.
>>217373388he also made the woke turds of S3 and especially S4
>>217370320It's basic bitch agitprop. Ignore them. They only add this type of bullshit to every thread to manipulate idiots into not thinking.
>>217373718Season 4 was all Issa Lopez the feminist lesbian wine aunt
>>217373966Nic even went on a full chud rant on twitter calling her a dumb bitch
>>217373280There isn't one, and that's the point
>>217373456I don't understand how he can be this big of a faggot. He worked in TV for ten years, was a producer, surely he knows that unless he has final cut or whatever in his contract he's not going to be respected
>>217357981That was obvious in S1 with the black Valyrians.
Can this franchise just die already?
>>217368667I can't help but think that there was supposed to be a major moment that solidifies the 'epic' nature of the events but because Euron and most mentions of weird magic stuff got trimmed it was impossible to have it so that Bran's credentials were confirmed by, I dunno, a mass warging of Westeros's nobles or some fucky mindmeld thing.
>>217373610Probably the original ASOIAF books or the Game of Thrones shows. Otherwise you wouldn't be here at all.
>>217373718S3 wasn't fucking "woke". You think Lethal Weapon was woke too? Fucking retard.
>>217374017There won't be one. Because conservatives are not creative or artistic in any way. Fuck you people. You don't deserve to be entertained.
>>217375134You mean the series he abandoned
>>217359692agreed
>>217360104true fuck him
>>217360156once i read book 4 and 5 i hated Sanderson even more because he took inspiration from GRUMwhy fat people can’t write? (for long)
>>217375156I guess. And if he hadn't abandoned it would you be upset over what you perceive his politics to be?
>>217375203>GrumI like crackers and snacks.
>>217368456i will only watch hate reviews they’re more entertaining and you could learn something about what to avoid in writing
>>217368959he’s a kikethat’s why its degenerate and subversive
>>217372526we’re winning in real life while you win in your headcanonkys normiefag
>>217370606this
>>217357981>fucked with our ladBros a gazillionaire, fuck off
>>217375280Depends on the outcome
>>217357981I had to look this ryan guy up, how the fuck did he get put in charge of this?
>>217375280Are you five? You can criticize and banter about stuff or someone you ultimately enjoy. He made a decently entertaining fantasy series, he's still got all the callings of a hippy boomer, including a terrible work ethic, and it's fun to meme about it
>>217371478So what fantasy themes LOTR defined are being subverted in ASOIAF? Aren't you thinking more of the publisher mandated themes in US fantasy books?
>>217373570Why did you have an old man? What were you doing with him?
>>217357981>it's real>fucking traitorous minionsit's over>Within hours, the blog post disappeared from Martin's website, and HBO had issued a statement supporting Condal while attempting to lower the temperature. In today's profile piece, Martin says the blog post disappeared after HBO contacted Martin's manager, who had Martin's assistant remove the post while Martin himself was asleep.>>"I would've put it back up, but then I would've looked like an idiot," Martin said of the incident. "And 80 percent of it was praise, but that's not what people focused on."
>>217358756>YOUR PRECIOUS WORLD & CHARACTERS, GRATEFULLY ACCEPTED!
>>217357981>Martin has made something else consistently clear: He believes book adaptations — not just his own — should be as faithful as possible. Martin is childless and has said he considers his characters to be his children. If another writer wants to make a major change to one of his brood — or remove one from a story altogether — he wants to know why, and the reason should make sense.Based. But why did he let HBO blackwash Targaryens and Velaryons?
He saw the end of GOT and how awful it was yet he signed a new deal with HBO in 2021. He likes the money and the attention. He gets to be a "producer" and a "consultant" which means he has more reasons to not write. The portion of the fanbase who defend him or characterize him as a helpless old man are beyond delusional.
>>217358910Rowling and Meyer have full creative control over adaptations of their books. Which is why Hollywood has to make faithful adaptations.
>>217374064>>217375830>black targs I hope he gets criticized for this as often as possible because you know he sees how bullshit that casting is and he can't say anything negative about it specifically kek
>When the pandemic hit, Martin tried going to a literal cabin in the woods to finish Winter. That was a prolific stretch, he says, resulting in many new chapters. But it took him away from his longtime partner, Parris McBride (they met in the 1970s and tied the knot in 2011), and even Martin’s forced-isolation effort ran into creative troubles. “I wrote a Tyrion chapter I just loved,” he recalls. “Then I looked at it and said: ‘I can’t do this, it will change the whole book. I’ll make this into a series of dreams. No! That doesn’t work either …'”Gurm didn't finish the book during the pandemic when he had zero excuses and distractions. He will not finish ASOIAF. And the Dunc and Egg tales kek.
>>217375915He also got quite defensive when a some woke lib asked him why Westeros is not diverse.
>>217357981>Ctrl+F, "fat fuck">1/7Good thread
>>217359692Not shit but the fourth was noticeably worse and a >>217359911>Also, Sapochnik was the genius who came up with the Conan show pitch to Amazon (who turned it down because it was too pro-masculinity) so him leaving after season 1 also helps explain why season 2 sucked so muchboring slog.Season 1 was already pozzed and woke with Sapochnik. Men bad, women good but victims of patriarchy.
>>217375830>he considers his characters to be his childrengiven how he treats them maybe it's a good thing that he doesn't have real children
>>217375830Because he is a liberal cuck, he probably loved the idea.
>>217360104He's rich and famous and old and he doesn't have the fire in his belly any longer and he knows it.
>>217357981>“This is not my story any longer.”wow he's really quick on the uptake
>>217358247>The story HotD is based on is finished.what GRRM provided was the cliffnotes of a story, same as what he gave D&D. we've seen the outcome if they just stick to his vision. if HBO had just filmed F&B it would be even worse.
>>217358482bullshit. Rhaenyra will die in the penultimate episode and the Daemon/Aemond fight will be in the final episode. anything else would be misstructured as TV. the hard part is getting to that conclusion an acceptable way.
>>217373718>S3>woke it was also better than S1 because it didn't shit the bed with its ending
>>217357981people actually watched any game of thrones past season 3?
>>217372526based as fuck
>>217370066At least we'll have Preston Jacobs' version of Winds
>>217358482it will obviously end with Aegon III and Jaehaera marrying Anything else would make for a very bad, either too long or too short narrative ending
>>217368667no it's not he admit that book ending is different and he explained why in the interview
>>217376236>end with Aegon III and Jaehaera marryingduring a succinct epilogue with a narrator. we don't need to actually care about those characters.
>>217371545What enraged him so much about season 2? I did check out because it wasn't good but I'm not aware of them violating the 'canon' of the Dance of the Dragons - seems to be playing out as the events were described in Fire and Blood. Dumb shit like making Alicent and Rhaenyra saintly and the ridiculous dragon pit fiasco were there in season 1
>>217376263he 100% changed his plans when he the show reaction confirmed that the ending he gave D&D wouldn't be acceptable to the audience.
>>217376282>What enraged him so much about season 2?unironically he sperged out because Haleana has one less son than in the book. he (wrongly) thought it was important (for the themes?) that she have a daughter survive the war then commit suicide in the same way as her mother. he's a nitpicker who develops mistaken ideas about what parts of his stories need to be protected and what can be cut.
>>217376316By far the least of the problems lolYou also know that Rhaenyra is going to get some 'artistic' death that beats you over the head with how sad and tragic this is where she is slow mo ungulfed in Sunfyre's flames vs. being eaten
>>217376282He got angry that they removed the Sophie's Choice moment from the Blood and Cheese scene (in the books Helaena has to choose which son has to die). In the show, baby Maelor doesn't even exist, which also affects the Reach plotline with Daeron.Season 2 is just mediocre. They removed Nettles and gave Rhaena her story (which is a terrible choice), they turned Rhaenyra into a lesbo, they turn Aemond into a retard who's fated to die, and they turn Alicent into a traitor who cares more about RhaeRhae than her own children. It's so bad. Season 8 has a more coherent plot than HotD season 2.
>>217375625The concept of a father really is lost on you 4chan shitbags.
>>217358615https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmKhGqWcJGY
GRRM is such a fucking cunt, i hate his fat retarded ass so much.>write decent books with interesting setting>get tv show>get money>stop writing>"its okey guys, i will finish books, pinky promise">get another tv show>"this has nothing to do with me">"I am gonna keep collecting that royalty check thou, teehee"
>>217374388It's for people who want rape, poop, and medieval politics but don't want to visit India.
>>217375704>but then I would've looked like an idiot,"said Martin, admitting to even greater idiocybtw I take this as vindication of >>217372608I didn't even realise he was this much in thrall to his assistants and managersNigga can't even control his own blog(This means a half-arsed ghostwritten Winds will be forced out once he loses enough marbles to sign the release)(It's a shanda)
>>217376454>applause.gif
>>217376337>Rhaenyra is going to get some 'artistic' death that beats you over the head with how sad and tragic this is where she is slow mo ungulfed in Sunfyre's flames vs. being eatenby writing F&B as historical cliffnotes, GRRM dodged the need to commit to some characters as protagonists and keep their actions relateable. you can't do that in a TV show so they are 100% right to try to keep Rhaenyra a little bit sympathetic and inspiring even if she also brings about her own downfall. the alternative doesn't work: its what GRRM thought he could do with Daenerys.
>>217376352>Season 2 is just mediocreits half genuinely good episodes (1,2,4,7) and half stillborn filler. that might be the unavoidable result of having to adapt something that never needed to work as a proper story. anyone here pretending to be super-invested in F&B like they believe in GRRM's vision is really an astroturfer. just let HBO cook and manage your expectations.
>>217376238In this very same meeting GRRM bragged about how smart he is because he figured out Jesus isn't real as a child.
