>Renewable energy is bad for the environment!
>>217359489It's true.
>>217359489Yes
>>217359489Oil is organic and all natural
>>217359489Solar causes a shit ton of pollutants in their manufacturing Windmills break down constantly and get thrown in landfills after killing tons of bird lifeDams destroy entire ecosystemsGeothermal is literally the only good renewable and it can only be harnessed in certain areas.
>renewable>wastes a ton of rare mineralsNuclear energy or you're a fag
>>217359489
>>217359959Sourced from free range animals and wild grow botanicals.
Nuclear energy is the best but it has enormous initial costs and most people have fallen for anti-nuclear propaganda.
>>217359489duh!
>>217359489>what is hyperboleThe point is that it does have negative environmental impacts too, EVEN if they outweighted by the pros.
>>217360008/thread
>>217359968I read about a windmill exploding and spreading heavy metals across miles and miles of farmland. Government had to shutdown all agricultural production on that land permanently due to the pollutants. Windmills are seriously horrendous for the environment.
>>217360008I just want it on the off chance it gives someone superpowers
My money is on solar. By the time we are dead, every industrialized and politically stable desert will be completely blue
>>217360008This seems to be the case, yeah.
>>217359959this! if it wasnt natural why would people call it natural gas?
I refuse to take advice on the environment from a guy named Billy Bob who dated someone in his family
>>217360008Yeah it’s so safe that we have to store the waste thousands of miles away from human living spaces inside of specialized containers that the waste itself still manages to corrode after a couple of decades.
>>217360072>I read about a windmill exploding and spreading heavy metals across miles and miles of farmland.I read about your mom sucking off every jeet from London to Calcutta
>>217360137>have to
>>217360152Bird killer on suicide watch
>>217360008No nuclear plant will ever break even financially without billions in subsidies, also we need deep geological storage for the waste and that's a few extra billions (taxpayer billions, that is) on top of that. Nuclear is a Musk tier scam maybe bigger even
>>217360080how do you think Landman got his power to withstand killing himself after living with his family?
>>217360137>fell for the propagandaWe aren't living in the 1970s anymore little bro
>>217360203He goes on Grindr and lands a man.
>>217360137grats on also falling for anti-nuclear propogandapic related, 38 years of nuclear waste stored on siteeducate yourself please
>>217360173I'd rather a couple of birds die than buy Goyil from Russianiggers and Sand kikes who buy underaged white girls for their rape parties.
>>217360008YepThanks Matt Groening
>>217360252Great, 29,962 years to go
>>217360252Do they sell it? If I wanted to buy a barrel of nuclear waste, could I buy it? I could make little chunks of it into jewellery and market it to hippies on Etsy as "energy stones."
>>217360008For me, it’s the fact nuclear isn’t viable because the energy infrastructure can’t handle a new plant without massive upgrades. Also you don’t want a capitalist entity “cutting costs” for short term profits.
>>217360259trying too hard
>>217359489hydrogen and carbon are the simplest elements. why would anyone object that!?
>>217360195just chuck it in a volcano nigga. works for plastic
>>217360259Russians can’t be raped. They evolved to be stoic from birth.
>>217360008in a proper world, nuclear would provide for base load, wind/solar would be used opportunistically
>>217360581If you love brown sand people so much you can suck them off your self faggot.
>>217360658scale it back just a wee bit and you're golden. less earnest.
>>217360008Nuclear is also just a big steam turbine. Similar to a wind turbine
>>217360008reminder that they will have the rebuild another dome over Chernobyl in 40 years
>fossil fuels are bad>they're used to make solar panels >oils is bad>it's used to make all the gay plastic clothing leftoids buy
>>217360195EDS
>>217360790Burning fossil fuels is bad, yes
Nobody knows how to recycle solar panels
yea it's double edged sword. nothing of it is clean energy. there's no such thing.
>>217361450prove it
>Kola superdeep borehold reached almost 180 degrees C>water would vaporize instantly if pored into this hole>fill entire hole with water, use steam to power turbine, cool steam into water, recirculate back into hole>infinite energyThe reason nobody uses geothermal power is because the world is run by retards
>>217360008>>217360318>Also you don’t want a capitalist entity “cutting costs” for short term profits.This is the biggest issue- when BP or Exxon makes an oopsie, at least it can be cleaned up mostly with little environmental fallout. When a nuclear company becomes large enough to be on par with either of these companies they absolutely will take every opportunity to cut costs and it will lead to oopsies that leave parts of the country an irradiated hellhole for generations. Corners cut on construction, running every dial & geenlighting every sample .01% below the legal limit, and hiring Homer Simpson to manage it all because he's an idiot that does what he's told and won't say shit to the EPA if there's an issue, it's all an absolute recipe for reoccurring disasters of epic proportions.
>>217361624>Something could go wrong so we shouldn't even try!>Someone will cut costs because capitalism is the enemy! >Homer Simpson!Thank you for providing examples of propaganda in its purest form anon, I'm glad you were able to distill it into such a perfect post. Ironic shitpositing is still shitposting.
Anyone else want to hate-fuck the bad bitch girlboss lawyer to death?
>>217360008>enormous initial costs30% of that is from bullshit to drive costs up to discourage it as a valid industry.What they did with nuclear is criminal and any person who was openly against in a fair world any person who was openly against in the last 25 or so year would be labeled a traitor and promptly executed.
>>217360318>le ebil capitalists!!!!!Posted from iPhone™..
>>217359489Yes, this is what we've been trying to tell people for decades
>>217361624France and South Korea have tons of reactors without incident. America used to to until leftoid traitors got most of them shit down.
>>217360008As a Canadian I used to be very vocal about building more nuclear plants up on the Canadian shield, but now that I know that 90% of the engineers would be jeets I am no longer as enthusiastic.
>>217360318>Also you don’t want a capitalist entity “cutting costs” for short term profitsWho do you think runs solar and wind farms? Communists? You are retarded.
>>217360090Solar arrays in orbit microwaving the energy down would be far more efficient
>>217362095France's reactors are all operated by a state company (EDF - 100% owned by the government) with extremely close oversight from a state entity (ASNR)
>>2173621083.6 roentgen? Open bob and vagene.
>>217362144In the US that would be literally illegal.
>>217360008Imagine your nuclear plants entirely ran by Indians.
>>217361624Western Nuclear plants have containment buildings built around them so that if a 1 in a billion explosive meltdown did occur it'll still be contained the way Chernobyl is was, the Russians deliberately bombed the sarcophagus lol now.Even a pair of gloves or something exposed to the same amount of radiation emitted by 100 bananas counts as waste, coal burning plants pollute worse and it's in the air, not a barrel you can bury someplace.
>>217362111cutting costs on installing solar panels or erecting windmills doesn't irradiate ground water for the rest of human history.
>>217360195>will ever break even financiallyIt's not about making money, it's about providing people with clean energy
>>217362153It's gommunism or something
How about a deep sea geothermal power plant like in Soma? That was cool...
>>217362173that alone is reason enough to be weary of nuclear
>>217360080It gave that Japanese dude the power to melt. He could only do it once though.
>>217362177ya know when there's airborne radioactive material no one will care what the chances of it happening were
Bitches need to be using less power. You don't need to have the AC cranked all summer, nor do you need to spend 10 minutes airfrying your cold pizza.
>>217362221Yeah. We didn't even get Godzilla. :(
>>217362185The flouride, estrogen and microplastics cancel out the irridation.
>>217362320>these provably survivable things are worse than these provably fatal things
>>217362185>cuts costs in the recycling process causing permanent damage to the environmentez
>>217360237ok bro, where do you store the waste
>>217362283This guy must get loads of pussy worrying about 30 cents on his electric bill
>>217362212capitalists can barely drill for oil in the ocean without destroying it, you want them summoning undersea volcanos for profit?
>>217362283t. luddite
>>217362338Cancel out means to neutralize, not exceed.
>>217362177>spoiler holy kino
>>217359489It is, electric cars pollute more than dieselsYou can run a generator using your gutter oil
>>217362356see >>217360252
>>217362356You reuse it. We solved that problem a long time ago.
>>217362377>these provably survivable things are equal to this provably fatal thingwow what a great win you got here on the internet
>>217362188Money is far more important than that.
>>217362377do not be correcting me bastard. you are no brahmin
>>217362455yeah, money is so important we need to keep printing progressively more of it so the economy doesn't collapse.
>>217360008>Nuclear
>>217362188If nuclear isn't financially sustainable then it's not worth going for it period. If Israel wants tax money they just have to ask and we'll give it to them for free, no need to do any of this scam
>>217362552>only what makes line go up goodslave labor would make line go up
>>217360008This.
>>217361996"bullshit to drive costs up" meaning "safety" in this context.
>>217362428after a point you cant reuse it anymore, its spent and needs to be stored somewhere
>>217361903the point is capitalist entities have greater incentive to just let a plant melt down than maintain it because that would make line go up
>>217362644I'll take the tradeoff. I value power more than I value not having the occasional nuclear waste dump.
>>217362644there's pretty much no limit to how many times fuel can be reprocessed. the issue is the UN bans reprocessing because it can also produce weapons grade material in quantity.
>>217360008What I dont get is the argument "we have to store it for 30000" years they keep shitting out, when its likely we can reuse it after finding some tech that allows us to in like 100 years tops or just cast it into the sun or space once that technology also advances.Its such a dumb cunt argument to suppose that the waste will be around for that long
>>217362689That’s fine so long as you are OK living next to one of those dumps.
>>217362748That's for the poor.
>>217362739>a dumb cunt argumentIf it quacks like a duck...
>>217362689as opposed to lets say solar that produces energy all the time with only an upfront cost and no waste whatsoever?the waste is forever, you need to find the most stable and secure place in your country to store that shit and hope theres no tectonic event popping all those tanks that then leak their insides into your groundwateryour grandchildrens grandchildren will have to be mindful of that waste
>>217362804>your grandchildrens grandchildren will have to be mindful of that wasteI don't care bout that. I'll be dead by then and I want cheap power now. It literally isn't my problem.
>>217362739>or just cast it into the sun or spacehere's your nuclear waste disposal program bro. the new CEO just figured out how we can save .03% per quarter.
>>217362739>we can reuse it after finding some tech that allows us to in like 100 years tops>"not my problem anymore by then lololo get fucked"
>>217362804>solar that produces energy all the time with only an upfront cost and no wastethe panels don't last foreverthe panels can't be recycledsolar voltaic is a chemical reaction between several rare-earth minerals and the sun.
>>217362050ur iphone is made in a communist state.
>>217362836Great example, Einstein. Who ran NASA when the Challenger asploded? Hint: it wasn't a private enterprise.
>>217362804>your grandchildrens grandchildren will have to be mindful of that wasteMost people arent even having kids because of the high cost of everything partially thanks to high energy costs, so who are we concerned about leaving this for in the end?Its like saying "dont cut that tree down that you need to keep you warm and alive, caveman grok, your children wont get to enjoy it".
>>217359489Wind and solar supply almost 40% of electricity in Texas
>>217362665The point is propaganda is a powerful tool used to cloud a persons rational judgement. Those nasty capitalists would definitely let their plants melt down and not worry about the...fallout...from such actions that would affect their profits I'm sure. If only my chosen government official and/or form of government was in charge, then we could trust the government to not make any mistakes and always have our best interests at heart.
>>217362890it was an organization seeking to cut costs due to dwindling government funding and strange edicts from on high, that insisted the optics of a reusable vehicle were more important than vehicles that were safe.
>>217362859and yet nuclear waste is way wayyyyyyyyyyyy worse
>>217362696Whats lil UN gonna do
>>217362902>muh energy costsIf we make more energy AI and other bullshit will just gobble more energy up
>>217362827>Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None, I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill.Based Morganite.
>>217362915No it doesn’t
>>217362941or its the simple fact that short term gains are heavily incentivized and nuclear is an extremely long term, generational program that requires the short term never come into consideration.
>>217359968You forgot the pre-1800s aether-powered hydroelectric palaces. Other than that, you're spot on.
>>217362890have you watched some private space company launches? they explode all the time
>deny ourselves cheap near endless energy due to concerns about future generations>spend our entire lives worrying about that shit>future generations solve the problem so we never needed to worry about it in the first placeIts kind of like that oak forest planted in Sweden for the royal navy to use in 100 years only for it to be complately useless for the purpose by the time its matured.
I think it’s funny that the only “good” renewable is the one that still requires mining and refining. Totally not just a scam to get the world addicted to yet another fucking non-renewable energy source that is controlled by a handful of countries.
>>217360137Modern nuclear plants produce almost no waste like the one you're describing anymore.
>>217363045What is it?
>>217363045Hydroelectric is efficient and clean but guess who throws a shit fit if you try to build a dam
>>217363045I like how you faggots basically just come down to hating that you are poor and wishing for everyone to return to monke because of it.
>>217359489Yes. "Green" energy is unironically almost more harmful to the environment than the dirtiest energy you can think of, like coal. Nuclear energy is the only one that is actually clean. We pretty much solved the issue of nuclear waste disposal more than 20 years ago.
>>217363032Funny because building fission plants is kind of like planting that forest seeing as it takes like 30 years to complete them, by which time we will have either made advancements in plant design or finally figured fusion energy out.
>>217361624>when BP or Exxon makes an oopsie, at least it can be cleaned up mostly with little environmental fallout>little environmental falloutYou have no fucking idea what you're talking about. At all.
>>217363086the people who's land will be flooded? the people downstream who won't have water anymore?
>>217363032Thank you for revealing the fact of which all your ilk's arguments can be boiled down to:>gaslighting aphorism in cloying and smug tone, only brought up in response to sensible questioningI can't wait for the sequel, in:>Equally smug response, playing coy, while betraying a sense of lacking in readiness for the overall discussion at hand.
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>>217362804>no waste whatsoeverHigh yield solar panels have to be replaced almost entirely every 3 years.
>>217362213Literally the opposite, it's insurance that if indians take over, they won't live to enjoy it.
>>217363096They take 30 years due to all the red tape and lobbying from big oil
>>217363127Fuck them. The benefits of power for everyone vastly outweigh those faggots concerns.
>>217363114the worst oil spill is a minor oopsie compared to, say, chernobyl.
>>217363139okay so you're going to pay them the value of their land based upon the idea it will be used to generate energy for everyone right?
>>217363088I want rape to be an acceptable form of courtship again.
>>217363137There is red tape because it is extremely dangerous and they need to ensure that the plant is built correctly.
>>217363139Dams don't provide power to everyone.
>>217363134do you have to store that waste forever?
>>217363133>the state's independent power marketso how much of that is the actual market?
>>217363132Imagine typing all that instead of making an argument, lel
>>217363183yeah
>>217363066>>217363088Richfags want nuclear because they can sell uranium and whatnot on a regular basis to fuel the plants whereas with renewables it’s one and done.
>>217363188I accept the concession! Cheers!
>>217363203We actually have the capacity to recycle that we just don’t want to.
poorfags really would rather we all go back to the middle ages because they are broke and envious of richfags
>>217363231and why is that? why don't we "want" to? is it because it "iSn'T eCoNoMiCalLy ViAbLe?"
>>217363144This is the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. The coastline that was affected is as large as the entire Chernobyl Permanent Evacuation Zone. Within weeks, it had killed off almost all fish, birds and marine animals. The wetlands, coral and food webs will be dead for the next ~100 years.There have been eight more oil spills similar in magnitude and damages to this one, and countless smaller ones in addition to that.
man you people are a bunch of faggots. Do you follow your preferred parties every talking point?Solar's won. You faggots lost.
>>217363203Its blatantly obvious that this image is ai, did you really expect to fool anyone with this shit?
>>217363277Solar hasn't won shit.
>>217363214Name a renewable that is a "one and done".
>>217363275and because of russia's war, chernobyl is about to become an environmental disaster again. well, technically all the measures taken have only delayed the meltdown, as its still "melting down."
>>217363277Yeah renewables won so hard that the countries that rely on it have to buy energy from other countries now lol.
>>217362639minus all the bullshit taxes that have nothing to do with safety in this context
>>217362739France already reuses nuclear waste.
>>217363133Yes I know about generated statistics, but nobody turns the light on at noon so it’s actually a small fraction of that.
Cut the power for all the anons itt for 6 months and they will suck an oil barons wrinkled old cock and swallow his load to get the lights turned back on.
>>217359489We need to heavily invest in nuclear power. Or kill 4.2 billion people.
>>217363467Why not both?
>>217362748Why aren't you living next to a solar panel factory?
>>217362955no its not
>>217363231Sounds wasteful and not very renewable, huh.
>>217362836Horrible example. If the idea is to get the waste out of the planet you wouldn't need complex shuttles like that for it.
>>217360318>Also you don’t want a capitalist entity “cutting costs” for short term profits.Everything should be expensive forever because muh capitalism
Essential services should be managed by the state, and that's all the state should manage.Water, electricity, cleanliness of public infrastructure, fire services, internal and external security, disease prevention... that sort of thing.Beyond that, the state should have no power.The goal should be to provide the best service at the lowest price, even if it means running a deficit, but that's what taxes are for (when they're not stolen).
>>217363694I can already tell you have no fucking clue about space travel. if you want to get rid of this kind of radioactive trash in any meaningful way, you would need to change its orbital velocity by at least 30km/s - the fuel requirements for which are comically large.if you want to get rid of any meaningful amount (1 ton or more) then these things would be 10x larger than the space shuttle)even assuming perfect launch safety, better and more economic rocket tech, cheaper launches, etc. "just dump it into space" is a retarded solution, you might as well strap it to a hot air balloon and hope it crashes in antarctica because this would be a more viable solution.
>>217359489Solar panels require a lot of rare earth mining and hydro destroys the ecosystemsolar and wind also don't work at all so that's why no one uses them and like 70% of chinese electricity comes from clean coal
>>217363946> "just dump it into space" is a retarded solutionIts retarded now, it might not be in our lifetime, let alone even farther into the future, thats the point.By the time the amount of waste is even a remote problem we will likely solve it in some way we cant think about currently. In fact, I truly believe that if the world was all in on nuclear we wouldve solved it already.
>>217363946A shuttle weights more than one ton.No shuttle, no shuttle weight, more waste.Concession accepted.
>>217362552>If Israel wants tax money they just have to ask and we'll give it to them for freeWhat the fuck?!
>>217362804>your grandchildrens grandchildren will have to be mindful of that wasteHoly shit, bro!
>>217362941>>217363114>>217362177You sound like someone who doesn't work in the oil & gas industry- as someone who does in a wide variety of positions up and down the ladder that has seen all the stupid shit they get up to that has the potential to lead to disaster, you should be scared shitless of these people when they inevitably sell their assets and pivot to nuclear the way some of them are already talking about.
>>217364728I don't care. I like air conditioning.
>>217364728Damn that's crazy, anyways why are leftoids always so anti-scientific and anti-progress?
>>217364850I dunno, why do rightoids vote down every single medical advance?
>>217363826Expensive means safe, functional, durable, bro. Products that work well for long periods of time aren’t economically viable.
>>217360008On the contrary, you've fallen for pro nuclear propaganda
>>217363281Minor unrelated realization that the terminally online are shrieking so hard about ai because ai will prove their parents right, that the internet is not real life.
>>217365126The final redpill is that the Boomers were unironically right more often than they were wrong.
Petro chemical dollars being used to trick people into thinking being independent from oil producers is a bad thing
>>217365163You only seethe about petrodollars because you are poor. You have no moral objection to them as if you were reaping the benefits you would defend them with your life. You are a low creature full of spite and envy.
>>217365191Nice projection
>>217360072I know right, good thing this isn't the norm with coal and oil
Everything humans do is bad for the environment, but what matters is the scale at which it's done. If you put the entire world on renewables, humans would still rape and consume nature at the same rate. That doesn't mean you shouldn't develop renewable resources though.
>>217360129That's based and trad tho
>>217361618You have to live near a vent but youd think it be worth trying to tap into it somehow.Im sure theres stuff we dont know about geothermal that would be possible to utilize on a greater scale, but im conspiracybrained
>>217365300The problem is renewables are making a huge mess right now, despite not being very effective, and it's permitted to continue because of a promise that the technology will improve.I don't see why have to have slave labor mine for minerals to build current gen solar and wind farms, when we should just invest in research.The conclusion I come to is that this is like advertizing. They have to prove it could almost kind of work right now or theyd lose funding/grants whereas they should be getting funding for providing novel tech needed to improve it.Overall, I think most scientests are environmentalists so I don't think we need these huge energy contracts for someone to find a solution.
