I never understood the appeal of nihilist media or shows made by nihilists. If they believe nothing matters and everything is pointless why don't they just kill themselves?Furthermore what can you possibly learn from a nihilist? Interacting with them seems like a waste of time
>>217363361Well you don’t have to believe a philosophy to explore it
>>217363361go to bed armond, you're drunk
>>217363361You think you're supposed to admire the nihilism depicted in this show?
>>217363361It's reddit nihilism, just like reddit science. Not so much that nothing matters, more like nothing matters if it doesn't align with their personal belief system>haha dude we're just hairless apes prancing around a rock floating in space! Tiny insignificant creatures, with no skydaddy to judge us, so who cares if we have indiscriminate sex in our polyamorous clique, twerk in front of children, harass white people for fun, and contribute nothing to society?>d-did you just call George heckin' Floyd a piece of shit? Did you not attend the BLM rally and bow before a proud Black woman? Did you say THE N WORD??? You are such a terrible fucking human, how can anybody do that, like ughhh
>>217363361damn you so deep, you should become a philosopher bro
The character is the nihilist, the show runners are not
>>217363361Nihilists and nihilist shows don't exist. They're a strawman created by chuds so that they look like people with strong values and morals in comparison.
>>217363361>literally does anything he can to spend time with his family >but he doesn't want to spend every second with them or do whatever they tell him to do >they depict the versions of him that don't want to spend time with the family as pathetic nihilist? lol
>>217364092now try to refute him
>>217363361most Nihilists actually quietly believe in blind Altruism slop, hence their uncontrollable Nihilism
>>217364180Can't do it, Harmon knows his stuff. 10/10 would worship as a living god.
>>217364275>Can't do itThat's right, chud, you can't.
>>217363361Why does nihilism trigger nu-4chan so much? Is it the influx of tradcück LARPers?
>>217363664This. The crux of it is Redditors are self interested sociopaths who are only motivated by upvotes and looking righteous in the eyes of their peers. It’s easy to get away with their brand sociopathy and nihilism when you bury it under 10 layers of therapy speak or leftist buzzwords. Look at how they treat dating for example.>They’ll say incels aren’t entitled to sex >But then throw a fit the moment a promiscuous woman is rejected, suddenly she’s entitled to a serious relationship>They tell men to lower their standards and be realistic>The same advice isn’t given to women who struggle
>>217364546>They’ll say incels aren’t entitled to sexwow that's pure nihilistic sociopathy!!
>>217364546>>217363664>literally too dumb for "nothing matters, so pick what you think matters"Christ, I worry for you children.
The easiest way to refute a nihilist is to kill them
Because doing things to feel alive and being free from whatever form of control someone else tried to instill upon you actually feels fucking good.
>>217363361A lot of them start out as cautionary tales in the spirit of russian literature and then turn into nihilist media when the audience doesn't get the message and latches on to the protagonist
>>217364688Why would that refute them?
>>217364702Either their life does matter, and they try to stop you, or their dead, and you don't have to talk to them anymore
>>217363361It makes sense for Rick to be a nihilist because in the world of the show, there's infinite universes and everything and everyone is utterly replaceable.
>>217364688What if they pull a gun and kill you instead
>like, nothing... le matters!>*sees an image of someone in the red drumpf hat and starts frothing at the mouth*These people are retarded fags.
>>217364581>wow that's pure nihilistic sociopathy!>deliberately missing the part that comes after>>But then throw a fit the moment a promiscuous woman is rejected, suddenly she’s entitled to a serious relationshipIncel lives don’t matter, but also “nobody is entitled to anything” goes both ways. Incels aren’t entitled to their delusions coming true and neither is the other side. You aren’t owed commitment and an LTR the moment you decide to settle down.
>>217364836>>217364855have you considered that there are several posters on reddit and some might have different opinions
>>217363361Prove anything matters genious
>>217363361You have to be a real fucking brainiet to think nihilism is pro suicide and existence still can't be enjoyed. You're conflating anti natslism with nihilism. Stupid Christ cuck.
>>217364876> have you considered that there are several posters on reddit and some might have different opinionsOh I’d love to agree with that in theory and in practice, but that isn’t reality. People are more motivated by the fear of getting downvoted than they are being honest. This place is fucking terrible too, don’t get me wrong.
>>217363361why don’t christian’s just kill each other after being baptized so they all go to heaven? that’s how dumb you sound
>>217364732Anon, the most common nihilist train of thought is "Objectively nothing matters, so I get to pick what matters"
>>217364876No, because anyone with a differing opinion from the majority gets his comment downvoted and hidden, and probably deleted and banned by a mod when he wakes up in his mom's basement at 4 PM.
>>217364978Logically, christians absolutely have someone murder them after their denominations specific sin forgiveness ritual, yes.
>>217364978Not even remotely equivalent. For one thing, murder is a sin, so right off the bat you're retarded. Not going into the rest of it.
>>217364092>Absurdism
>>217363361Why don't nihilist just be drugged up 24/7 since were all just chemicals and nothing matters? Shouldnt anti depressents already solve the worlds problem?
>>217365065No, you have a nonbeliever kill you.This is the basics, you should Or, you have one guy actually be selfless for once in your lives and accept the damnation so the rest can go to heaven for sure.
Chuds are nihilists. The conservative values talk is an obvious larp, they worship Trump not because he stands for anything, but because he openly violates norms, treats truth as disposable, and turns politics into pure negation.
>>217365130>Why don't nihilist just be drugged up 24/7isn't that what Rick does?
>>217363361Rick is canonically a theist though. Remember that episode he almost died and started praying to God?
>>217365149I generally agree with this yeah. They pose an issue with them when it comes to Israel. Even the tradcuck larp is just reminiscent of the same Reddit atheism they claim to hate. None of it is serious.
>>217365144Because that'd be suicide, which is a sin
>>217365065ok just accept you shouldn’t spout off that nihilists should kill themselves, don’t interpret what you don’t believe
>>217365180lol no He hangs out with his family. That's the main core of his character. The modern audience doesn't like him only because he also has other interests and only because he is willing and able to set boundaries.
>>217364662Redditors are performative even in what they choose to “care” about.
>>217364662nothing has shown that redditors can "pick" a value to follow. They are fat depressed pieces of shit that are envious of the world.
>>217365433so they’re like 4channarians?
>>217363361oh yeah,2017...still there by then and then never again now not again not again now
>>217363361Don't they have a few jokes where his nihilism falls about when he's threatened? Like they even made one where he thinks he's about to die and immediately believes in God then goes right back to saying fuck you God once he's safe
>>217365462Yeah. These threads are usually made by larping insincere “Christians” stuck in an awkward place where they don’t sincerely believe their own religion or defend it, but just want to attack atheism.
>>217365440> so they’re like 4channarians?The only thing that separates the two is their relationship to the audience.
>>217365294Nah, someone else is doing it.
>>217363361to be a nihilist you also have to be a huge pussy so you don't have the balls to kys, you just whine like a faggot about how life is suffering
>>217365594I mean that's true for a lot of belief systems.Every religious person who has a heaven who hasn't optimal pathed to it is factually a pussy. You should be speed running that shit.
It's always just an excuse to act like a complete asshole. Even if you believe in no higher authority that doesn't mean you just throw out any notions of morality or right and wrong and descend into retarded dehumanizing hedonism.>>217363664>>217364546This.
If nothing matters, make it matter.
>>217363361>I never understood the appeal of nihilist media or shows made by nihilists. If they believe nothing matters and everything is pointless why don't they just kill themselves?>Furthermore what can you possibly learn from a nihilist? Interacting with them seems like a waste of timeI'll stand up for the season 1 finale, and to a lesser extent the rest of season 1, but to relate with you, I don't care when brutal miserable suicide is played for laughs. I saw an episode or 2 of Ren and Stimpy Adult Party Time. They have an episode about a bee whose in crutches and he just says "please kill me. I want to die" because he got crippled or stepped on our whatever. I feel sick because I don't want to see that kind of misery. You COULD do a funny suicide joke. Like a quick scene where someone's stock tanks and they jump out the window. That's quick and cute seems could even be a Dilbert comic.But no humor is derived from actually seeing the gruesome injuries or hearing the severe believable pain of someone who wants to die. As a vaguely "normal" person, I have to say its probably healthier to laugh at liveleak videos, because atleast those don't bring you into the world and mindset of the sufferer as deeply or as upclose generally. (I never watched funky town and have no intention of doing so. So ymmv, but neither is healthy which is my real point.)I saw a clip on YouTube where ren is yelling about the need for an abortion. Made me sick.It was a running joke on Spin City that Carter's dog wants to kill himself at every opportunity. I don't think I laughed once at that, but Spin City is an otherwise cheerful and funny show.As a counter example that doesn't bother me, in the s1 finale when rick & morty teleport to a parallel universe where their other selves already existed and the process kills their other universe selves, its funny because the joke is just the logic of an incredible scifi plot convenience that can be used so frivrlously. Not their pain.
If there is no objective morality, and you choose what matters, how do you argue that what you value matters more than what anyone else values? Without objective morality, right and wrong are completely subjective - Ted Bundy could argue the dopamine you get from being alive does not outweigh the dopamine he gets from ending you. The only avenue left is might makes right, ie: my will matters more because I have more power than you.
>>217365672What you are describing is an aversion to sadism and a sense of empathy, which IS healthy. Nothing is wrong with you for feeling that way. People with a fetish for misery are fucked up and associate suffering with pleasure. It's not the same as dark humor, even though sadists tend to try and disguise their fucked up perspective as simply being a joke, you can absolutely have the same subject depicted in a much more humorous way where the fixation clearly isn't on the misery and suffering of the victim.There's a really good and somewhat obscure French movie that has a side character who is frequently depicted attempting suicide, but it's always slapstick and played for laughs, and in the finale she actually succeeds, but it's in such a roundabout and ridiculous way that it's hysterical.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicatessen_(1991_film)
>>217365685there is no objective morality, deal with it
>>217365685When you choose anything as having value, as worth acting for, you are not just expressing a feeling, you are treating that choice as a reason that counts. In doing so, you are implicitly saying “my capacity to choose and pursue values is something that matters.” But that capacity is not unique to you; it is the same kind of capacity other people have. If you deny that their choices and lives deserve the same basic respect, you are undercutting the very basis on which you claim that your choices matter at all. So someone like Bundy cannot coherently argue that his pleasure outweighs another person’s life, because making that claim already assumes a kind of standing as a chooser that, by its own logic, must be granted to everyone.
>>217365685If nothing matters, what is right in the end is whatever makes your social and genetic grouping survive the best. Which means prosocial behaviors- helping the needy, putting the shopping cart away, pulling someone out of a car wreck.Unfortunately, for every system in nature that needs prosocial behaviors like this, there are infinite parasites, be it ants or deer or even the cells in a body.
>>217365757Interesting. I'll give it a shot.
>>217365870So if every will has the exact same value, how do you resolve conflicts in opinion?
>>217363361The nothing matters, that all goals set is an insight. >have sex, get famous, make kids, get rich, learn more, enjoy lit, art, etc etc......you can always test it out and find it's not fulfilling in the slightest, futile. Always square one.Of course, a tragic one, but in the end there's no good counter-arguments. All counter-arguments are cope by people who were lucky enough to convince themselves of an ideology that postulates something different.A nihilist show has the appeal of being honest, in this regard.>why don't they just kill themselvesPeople are just scared.Killing yourself also means missed out potential.
>>217365887The argument sneaks in a value it claims not to have. If nothing matters, then survival doesn’t matter either. Saying “what’s right is whatever helps your group survive” already assumes that survival is good and that group continuation is preferable to extinction. If nothing matters, there is no reason to prefer survival over extinction, cooperation over selfishness, or prosocial behavior over parasitism. Even if we ignore “nothing matters” and switch to evolution, evolution selects for what works, not what is right and traits that increase survival include deception, exploitation, violence, infanticide, parasitism...Nature does not converge on prosocial behavior as a rule. If survival defines rightness, then parasites are just as “right” as cooperators and betrayal is right when it works.
>>217365940>Then survival doesn't matter eitherA non-concern, you come with naturally built hardware that makes you care about your own survival, and that of relations.
>>217365925Equal moral value doesn’t mean everyone always gets their way. It means everyone has the same standing in moral reasoning. When wills conflict, we don’t ask whose will matters more, but which principles for resolving the conflict can be justified to all agents without contradiction. Rules that destroy agency (like killing someone for pleasure, à la Ted Bundy) can’t be justified, because they undermine the very capacity to value that the claim relies on.
>>217365940>>217365982And yes, you could in fact go down the route of the parasite.Which will make you evil for all purposes that matter, as you are a direct enemy of any who've signed up for a prosocial pact and thus decide the overriding morals of the land.
>the heckin redditors!pretending like all you fucks don't also use every single available social media platform or at least browse them to intentionally make yourself upset is dishonesty of the highest order. but you'll keep doing it because you savor the feeling of being angry, it gives you a sense of control you are otherwise lacking in your lives. reply to this if you're a gay retard.
>>217365685Objective morality is the method by which Ted Bundy would argue that he is above everyone else and that he has a right to rape and kill with impunity while owning a private island where he hangs out with rich people and politicians.Most people have an instinctive morality that includes shit like empathy. It's not objective, it's just how the average man feels. Philosophy and religion exist to override that sense of empathy in favor of doing horrible shit for the sake of a few elites.
>>217365940What if we choose happiness and peace, even if they are only things we value because of evolution, denying other things beneficial for survival that are harmful and cause suffering? Helping each other, living in harmony with our surroundings, trying to show respect to each other and nature, not killing animals unless we need to survive, shit like that.
>>217365685How do you resolve these questions with objective morality? Two people disagree over the objective moral truth, how do they figure out who is correct?
>>217366028Whoever survives. One of them is bound to die sooner or later.
>>217365982Saying “humans are built to care about survival” explains why people care, not why survival is right. A built-in drive does not generate a moral standard; it just describes psychology shaped by evolution. Hunger doesn’t make eating morally and aggression doesn’t make violence right, even though all are “built hardware.” If nothing matters in the moral sense, then instincts don’t rescue meaning. They just explain behavior. A rock rolls downhill because of gravity; that doesn’t make downhill morally preferable.The disagreement isn’t about whether humans care about survival, we obviously do. The disagreement is whether caring about something makes it objectively right, and that leap still hasn’t been justified.
>>217366010I don't pretend, I don't use them and never have because even the concept of them disgusts me, I don't cherish anger and wish the sources of it, like retards like you who DO use them and then act like you belong here, would leave.
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>>217366057gay retard detected
>>217366048That's not objective.
>>217366056If caring about something doesn't make it right, then what can?
>>217366008That’s no longer a claim about what’s right, it’s a claim about who has the power to enforce norms. Once you say “evil is whatever threatens the pact we enforce,” you’ve abandoned nothing matters and replaced it with our values matter because we can impose them. At that point, the parasite isn’t wrong, just outnumbered. And if power shifts, so do the morals.
>>217366056Humans pick what is right.Therefore, survival is right. Self defense is right. History, and morals, are written by the survivors.
>>217363361They are “nihilist” only in relation to religion and traditional values, basically a more edgy leftist
>>217363361No way, you watched that Smiling Friends scene too?!
>>217366095Yes, whoever has the power to do so determines what is and is not moral, this is a basic fact of the world. Which is why prosocial pacts determine the moral structures of the world- even though they are easily parasitized, the advantages of working together vastly outweigh the costs.
>>217365685>The only avenue left is might makes right, ie: my will matters more because I have more power than you.Can you prove that this isn't the case? That the only thing we know for sure is that might makes right? It always seems to be that the only argument people have against nihilism and the absence of objective morality is that the implications are not pretty, which isn't an argument at all. Sure, the idea of might makes right is brutal and hard to swallow, but look at history and the modern powers that run the world. How is it NOT might makes right?
>>217366132Might doesn't make right, it just determines who is left.
>>217365594Death and suicide is also meaningless under a nihilistic setup. Nihilism is actually very boring.
>>217366090If caring made things right, then whatever anyone happened to care about would be right. If there is morality, then you care about something because it is right, not the other way around.
>>217366176Those who survive determine what is right.
>>217363361It's just demoralization crap made by jews.
>>217366129Then you’re not describing morality, you’re describing power.
>>217366187They will also die and get replaced by someone who believes in something different.
>>217363361I dropped this show the season before Justin got fired
>>217366180Then how, without a higher objective authority, do we establish what is right?
>>217366090Nothing is right or wrong on its own. You just have to follow your heart and do what feels right.
>>217363361OP is a retard. If nothing matters you can have way more fun. That's a reason to live in a meaningless universe.
>>217366233The groups who are in power determine what is moral.>>217366242Yes, this is the way of things.If your moral system is strong enough, it may persist for a time, but nothing lasts forever.
>>217366187They don't, they determine what you CAN do, not what is right to do.
>>217366132Nazi Germany had better technology and troops than everyone else and yet lost because they kept making enemies rather than recruiting allies.
>>217366279Incorrect, they regularly determine what is morally correct to do for periods of many generations.
>>217366263To act is to take your reasons as justified. That commits you to principles you can’t exempt yourself from, and that’s where moral standards come from, not a 'higher' authority or instinct.
>>217366311Are allies not a type of might?
>>217366270>strong enoughSo it's just a matter of strength and endurance. It's not philosophy, but engineering.
>Dude, without objective morality, there would be no such thing as right or wrong! Killing babies and enslaving others would be just fine! Doesn't that sound horrible?>That's why you need to find religion>Um, so what if our religion said it was once ok to kill all Amalekite babies and children. They came from a people who were bad for 800 years so their baby brains must be crushed!>Erm, so who cares if the Israelites were given instruction on how to own their fellow human beings. They were all freed every 7 years... so what if it was just the Israelite slaves who were freed! Goyim don't deserve rightsPlease have this make sense
>>217366270If the powerful define morality, then morality is just a synonym for control, not a standard of right and wrong. Did you take the vax?
>>217366354Good philosophy IS an act of engineering. You are trying to manufacture a set of ideas and principles that will maximize what you have been pre-programmed to view as success.Now, as we're VERY complicated, what specifically that is does vary widely. But it almost always involves eating food and surviving another day.
>>217366270Why do you fucking people whine so much about the jews then?
>>217366344You can gain sympathy by being pathetic. A child is weak but is defended by strong adults by virtue of empathy.
>>217366269This. Nihilism is dumb.
>>217366375Of course, all research indicated those who did not take it received all vax side effects but worse after they got covid.
>>217366400Because they control the banks, not the human heart.
>>217366400Self interest. If group X is going to treat group Y with blanket policies then group Y has a reason to treat group acts with blanket policies, even if it doesn't make sense.
>>217366418Yes, prosocial behavior is one of the strongest traits we have, and proves incredibly dominant often in nature.>>217366400That's not me. I'm of the mind that racists are cowards for thinking races are different, but not then trying to produce the ultimate super race.Or, I guess, really vain, as the most popular attempts at that were entirely looks based.
>>217365685>how do you argue that what you value matters more than what anyone else values?You argue it by arguing. If there are no objective moral values, objectively you're not doing anything wrong by pushing for your own values/interests/preferences, whether it be via persuasion or coercion.
>>217366445You just said there is no difference between control and morality. If you think that what is morally right is determined by the people in power, and you think that the jews are in power, then by definition you must consider whatever the jews want to be morally right.
Philosophy is retarded. Digging for some objective source of value, someone else to say "yes that is right" is dumb and a waste of time. Don't be a cunt, don't make the innocent suffer, be a good person.>butNo buts, you already know what this means, everyone here does, anything else you spew out is just rhetoric to justify being a cunt.
