>Get taxed>Blockades a random planetWhy are people insistant that this plot makes sense?
>>217401070It wasn't random.
>>217401070padme levying a tax on my underage benis
>My lord, is she...legal?>I will MAKE her legal.
>>217401108Ha
>>217401070dont disturb the prequel tranny, hes on edge as it is.
>>217401070Taxation is theft
>>217401483So why not just secede?Why bother blockading some inconsequential planet?
>>217401070wasn't naboo voting against the TF's interests or something?
>>217401579Nope. The film never explains Naboo's significance to the TF.
>>217401551It's extremely obviously not inconsequential. The Republic immediately sent out Jedi to resolve it. It's an allegory for middle eastern countries blockading canals and trader routes as well as bullying small rich oil producing nations like Kuwait
the real plot was keeping gungan niggas on their planet
>>2174016101. Naboo is incosequential as it has literally no pull in the senate as proven by it's unwillingness to send support to the planet2. The Jedi were covertly sent by the Chancellor meaning the Senate were completely unaware of this and didn't sanction it3. Blockading a Trade Route is way fucking different than blockading a singular location.
>>217401551It wasn't inconsequential. Naboo was a client world of great value.>>217401579The old King had negotiated a deal with the TF that Padme wanted to renegotiate when she took the crown; the TF didn't want to change the contract terms, so Padme threatened to break the contract and cut the TF off entirely. This would have cost the TF an immense fortune, so Naboo was blockaded and invaded to force Padme to sign a contract renewal that would have kept Naboo under the TF's thumb in perpetuity.
>>217401625This. They had portable shields ffs. If the frogs ever got loose in the galaxy with ships and modern blasters it'd be the Pidgin Empire within a decade.
>>217401679I want you to point to any point in the film any of this is explained.
>>217401738Star Wars lore has never been dictated by film alone. One must pore over tomes to unlock such information.
>>217401738>>217401679It was explicitly explained as a scheme of Darth Sidious who was the boss of the trade federation. He told them to blockade Naboo and invade them.
>>217401678>1. Naboo is incosequential as it has literally no pull in the senate as proven by it's unwillingness to send support to the planetThis always confused me, Naboo is a literal sector capital world. It should have mattered greatly to the Senate as a whole, even after all the bribes.
>>217401803Never needed external literature just to understand the plots of the OT>>217401810It's never explained why Sidious has any sway over the TF. The implication is that the TF are unbelievably stupid and assume Sidious's plan will somehow get their taxes removed despite having no reason to believe this.
>>217401854What if Amidala just folded and signed the treaty? There'd have been no crisis, no emergency vote of no confidence. Everything would have returned to normal, except the TF would enjoy some kind of slightly better terms with Naboo.What if Darth Maul defeated the jedi on Tattooine? What would he have done to Amidala? Made he go back to Naboo and sign the treaty? See above.
>>217401854>Never needed external literature just to understand the plots of the OTThe OT wasn't a complex story, but reams of info were published later to define specifics of that galaxy. The PT is no exception to that, if anything it's beholden to it because its presentation on film lacks complexity, as you succinctly point out.
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>>217401972This is essentially an admission that the PT has a flawed narrative
>>217401738>I want you to point to any point in the film any of this is explained.How about you point out how the Republic became the Empire in A New Hope?
>>217402054yes. most prequel fans admit they are imperfect movies
>>217401108Kiera Knightly? Or Natalie Portman?
>>217401988It's video game footage not from movies.
>>217402054So flawed an author had to write a book to explain it logically, and mostly succeeded but had to invent a retarded form of government to make it stick. Naboo really should have been a Death Star weapon test target.
>massive trade federation that just goes around demanding you arbitrarily pay them taxes on any transactions made within your own economy, then spends the money on mass producing combat droids so they can outright invade and occupy any planet that refuses to comply>the various government powers throughout the galaxy are completely fine with what are essentially heavily armed space pirates masquerading as a legitimate business running extortion rings and killing anyone who doesn't pay up>so fine with it that the only action taken by the Galactic Senate when they invade Naboo, a major ally with political representatives in the senate itself, is to hire...two religious monks to go and negotiate some sort of treaty
>A communications disruption can mean only one thing: invasion. Well, I guess it could also mean they want to avoid getting a message out so we can't contact anyone and are forced to sign the treaty. In fact, being that is why they have us blockaded I think they could just be following through on the logical process of doing that. No need to do a costly ground invasion. Wait, why disrupt our communications at all if the senate already knows and sent Jedi? You know what, forget I mentioned it. I think those battleships and massive army up there aren't here to invade us.
>>217402183You forgot:>the extortionists have their own seat in the Senate along with all their client worlds' seats and they vote as a bloc legally
>>217402108Irrelevant to the plot you disingenuous faggot. That was ROTS job to explain and it fucked up too.
>>217401070Why did the Queen's ship fly directly towards the blockade instead of leaving from here
I think it's pretty safe to say that the prequels weren't terribly well thought out and you can chalk that up, along with the terrible acting, terrible directing, terrible casting and terrible cinematography, to the fact that Lucas had essentially complete control over them unlike the original films and anyone who wasn't gargling his balls was fired.
>>217402286>Irrelevant to the plot you disingenuous faggot. Already got you mad, LOL>That was ROTS job to explain and it fucked up too.Oh, so you needed another movie that came out decades later to explain the politics of a "perfect" one? Funny.
>>217402313Why did the TF try to blow up the Queen's ship if they need her alive to sign the treaty?
>>217402313Why didn't the Naboo lightspeed ram the Fed blockade with R2-piloted ships?
>>217401988Kek
>>217402108When Vader walks in and says the senate has been dissolved
>>217401070>>217401108>>217401551>>217401803>>217401988>>217402313>>217402257>>217402331Uh....ROGER ROGER
>>217402183The jedi are sent to de-escalate the situation because valorum "the cuck" thought war could still be avoided. In fact it's a good representation of how inept and pozzedthe galactic republic was in its final years
>>217402353Okay. HOW did that happen? You HAVE to spoonfeed it to me like that other anon is demanding of TPM.
>>217402108drooling retard
>>217401070After decades of getting carried away thinking he was the big brain that made Star Wars good, the prequels came along, and George Lucas decided he’d become a writer. …and a director.Neither of which jobs he was ever good at.
>>217402370james earl jones could say water was dry and air was liquid and it would be convincing.
>>217402364I think it's hilarious to me that a faction with representatives in the Senate is just openly threatening, attacking and extorting other members and this is tolerated at all. You'd think that would be immediately considered an act of war, with them facing expulsion from the Senate and treated as hostiles.
Jar Jar is the key to all of this. Because he's a funnier character than we've ever had. If we- if we can get him to work...the rest of it will kind of fall into place.
>>217402392Yes, you have to be to enjoy the Ewok scenes in ROTJ, don't you?>>217402407... No answer?
>>217402370Because Vader said so, which means anyone who says otherwise is getting some combination of force choked and cut in half with his lightsaber.
>>217402416Thanks for proving prequel faggotry exists in a realm where all spoken lines, all actors, and all performances are equal. Essentially face-blindness when it comes to film.
>>217402427Okay. That's just as valid as the dialogue in The Phantom Menace, then. >UM, NO! TH-TH-THAT'S DIFFERENT CUZ-It's not.
>>217402452>That's just as valid as the dialogue in The Phantom Menace, then. Source: my ass.
>>217402452Except we can point to dialogue in the OT that quickly establishes necessary facts. There is no such dialogue in the prequels.
>>217402409>immediately considered an act of war, with them facing expulsion from the Senate and treated as hostilesAnd why would that matter in the slightest? The Republic fucking has no military power whatsoever. The Trade Federation does. The TF could have just walked into Coruscant and taken over the Senate.
>>217402495> The TF could have just walked into Coruscant and taken over the Senate.So why didn’t that happen? Why blockade a random other member planet of the senate?
>>217402486HOW did the Republic become the Empire? What were the "Dark Times?" Is it a plague? A depression? What were the "Clone Wars?" Who the heck is Biggs, why did the movie treat Luke's friendship with him as significant when we never saw him prior? Deleted scenes don't count. If Stormtroopers are so deadly, why were they easily taken out by teddy bears in Return of The Jedi?
>>217402532All of that is answered by “episode IV” in the title crawl and Vietnam.The prequels were an attempt to answer most of the questions people had, and only brought more questions due to the incompetence of George Lucas.
>>217402555>All of that is answered by “episode IV” in the title crawlI don't think so, Tim. > and Vietnam.Nope! No outside material of any kind. Especially not a war that happened over half a century ago whose relevance won't matter to a young person watching ANH for the first time.
>>217402555The prequels were not to answer anyone's questions. He specifically made Star Wars as "Episode 4" because it was akin to an old pulp scifi novel where you're tossed into the middle of a story and it's more exciting that way not fully knowing what's going on. The world has a history beyond you and you're just experiencing this thrilling event.
>>217402330Stop being a dumbass. The Rise of the Empire doesn't matter in ANH, just the fact that the galaxy is controlled by an Empire. How it came to be is not a necessary part of that film's story. You know that.
>>217402370The phantom menace is actively trying to explain how a trade dispute caused a major galactic conflict. The film is taking on the responsibility of explaining this for the sake of the plot. Sorry your too stupid to understand that a plot needs exposition
>>217402633Stop being a dumbass. The Trade Federation's history with Naboo doesn't matter in TPM, just the fact that the planet is blockaded by a megacorporation. How it came to be is not a necessary part of that film's story. You know that.
>>217402669I already told you to stop being a dumbass. Now stop it.
>>217402669>The Trade Federation's history with Naboo doesn't matter in TPMCorrect. The concerns are with the trade federation’s present and how they’re also a member of the galactic senate and are exerting military pressure on another member of the senate because…
>>217402669Hey dumbass, why is the TF blockading Naboo specifically?
>>217402610The prequels are explicitly about “how did anakin become Vader” and “what are the clone wars.”
>>217402725Hey dumbass, why are the Rebels fighting the Empire specifically?
>>217402742Because they’re rebelling
>>217402752Why? Before Alderaan, what reason did they have to hate the Empire?
>>217402742Probably because they're dickheads who nuke planets and explicitly rule based entirely on fear
>>217402760Visually established by the small peaceful ship being pursued by the giant star destroyer just because the giant star destroyer could.
>>217402742Because they are an evil dictatorship that fire on diplomatic missions as established in the first fucking scene.
>>217402760You keep getting btfo yet you still keep arguing as if this time it'll be any different.Give up and admit TPM is shit.
Has Disney Star Wars ever used the Ewoks, or do they not have any value even for nostalgia bait?
>>217402778>peacefulI'm pretty sure it's shooting lasers back at the big ship in the opening
>>217402702Aw, getting mad? Maybe stop being a hypocrite. >>217402709The concerns are with the Empire’s present and how they somehow got rid of the Galactic Senate and the "Old Republic" and are exerting military pressure on another member of the former senate because…>>217402778>>217402788The small peaceful ship smuggling stolen intel that was witnessed in suspicious activity, you mean?
>>217402850Never heard of the concept of self defense have you?
>>217402853Hey retard the movie literally explains that the empire have no actual evidence that Leia has the stolen plans yet they still attacked her ship and sent a false transmission stating it exploded in an accident. Nigger do you even watch these movies?
>>217402858The opening shot really doesn't imply if one side or the other is the good guysThe little ship could be space rapists on the run from space jailIt's only a few minutes later we find out Mr. Vader is a bad guy and Princess Leia is a good guy
>>217402853>The concerns are with the Empire’s present and how they somehow got rid of the Galactic Senate and the "Old Republic" and are exerting military pressure on another member of the former senate because…To exert control over the galaxy. It's that simple. It's not some weird tax issue. It's just an authoritarian government trying to maintain control without a rebellion gaining sympathy with the greater galactic community. Buddy you really should stop because you are losing this argument constantly.
>>217402897Yeah, that's called exposition. Something that doesn't occur in TPM. I know it's a strange detail to have in a movie for retards that like the prequels but it's actually present in good films.
>>217402878Dos it? I don't recall thatIf you are alluding to dialogue from Leia, she's obviously unreliable
>>217402928I only entered this thread to reply to the annoying smug cat, I actually dislike all of Star Wars but recognize the first film as the only actually good movie of the franchise. I'm not even close to being a prequel apologist.
>>217402959No it's dialog between Darth Vader and one of his Officers. Watch the fucking movie before trying to act like it's as stupid as TPM
>>217402897The opening shot establishes the fleeing ship is small and under equipped, automatically painting them as the underdog
>>217402878>Hey retard the movie literally explains that the empire have no actual evidence that Leia has the stolen plans yet they still attacked her shipYeah, because criminals always tell the truth, right?>>217402908>To exert control over the galaxy. It's that simple. It's not some weird tax issue. It's just an authoritarian government trying to maintain control without a rebellion gaining sympathy with the greater galactic community.Yes, both parties are exerting military power. WHY is the Empire doing this, though? What is their goal, what are their beliefs, what is their vision? At least "some weird tax issue" is somewhat of an explanation for why the Trade Federation is blockading Naboo.
>>217403084>some weird tax issue" is somewhat of an explanation for why the Trade Federation is blockading Naboo.Except it’s also established that naboo has no influence over how the trade federation is taxed
>>217402353Vader didn't said shit. It was Tarkin who said, the Senate was part of the Empire until them, as a remnant of the Old Republic, and by the dialogue it indicates it did had a part in governance via "bureucracy"m which was them fully invested in the regional governors.
>>217402778>>217402858David versus Goliath fallacy.
>>217403078You only say this because you've seen the movie beforeIf they were actually the evil space rapists escaping from space jail you'd say something else
>>217401610>bullying small rich oil producing nations like Kuwaitkuwait was, with us encouragement and backing, blatantly stealing oil from reservoirs under iraqi land as an intentional provocationtheft on a state level is an act of war
>>217403133I know. The point was to prove the prequelfag hadn’t actually watched the OT
>>217403177If they were actually space rapists escaping space jail then we wouldn’t be talking about the movie at all.
>>217403122Naboo was relevant to the intro just because it was a "small planet" that the TF invaded to make pressure against the Senate who was imposing taxation>Turmoil has engulfed theGalactic Republic. The taxationof trade routes to outlying starsystems is in dispute.>Hoping to resolve the matterwith a blockade of deadlybattleships, the greedy TradeFederation has stopped allshipping to the small planetof Naboo.That's it. No other explanation than that.
>>217403226>if the UN doesn’t stop taxing me I’ll invade a random other member nation anon this doesn’t make any sense.
>>217401070It all makes sense when you read up on it. The InterGalactic Banking Clan invested capital into large scale plasma mining operation on Naboo, but the Naboo government under an unpopular king was resisting the effort of the Trade Federation to buy the plasma for cheap and sell it in the Outer Rim for extraordinary profit, leaving the Naboo people with practicalyl nothing. The Trade Federation was economically vassalizing dozens of worlds and pressing for their admission into the Senate and controlled over 50 senate seats in this fashion as well as several seats directly. Of course they secretly being directed to do so by the Banking Clan and its Sith Master, Darth Plagueis in order to set the stage for a large scale galactic conflict.
>>217401610Akchually the Jedi were there undercover as fake ambassadors. What fucking sucks is that later movies never mentioned the Jedi Temple sending out Jedi as spies. Kino.
>>217403271None of this is in the movies.
>>217403207There's plenty of good movies about evil people in space who are the "underdog"In Star Trek 2 you could say Khan is the underdog based on ship sizeThe alien from Alien is an asshole and he doesn't even have a ship, and he's up against like 6 humans on a big giant shipSize is completely irrelevant and we only learn the little ship is the good guys like one minute later when Vader shows up
>>217403294If they’re undercover why are they wearing Jedi Brand Robes?
>>217403295I know, and its probably not even canon anymore since it was from the Darth Plagueis book, but the taxation (on plasma gas exports from Naboo) was an attempt by the Core worlds/Coruscant to curtail the Trade Federation's growing influence.
>>217402137it's hershlag
>>217402602>destroy an entire plant
>>217403331Except for how Ricardo Montalban and the alien are visually imposing right?
>>217403084Anon it was Vader and another Imperial officer establishing they had no evidence. Watch the fucking movie. I'm not telling your dumb zoomer ass again.
>>217403294>Akchually the Jedi were there undercover as fake ambassadors.Are you sure they weren't there as Jedi ambassadors to be a neutral third party? It happens all the time with peace negotiations, the two warring parties and then some third country on the other side of the world sends a guy to be a mediator
>>217403455If they were, the Trade Federation didn't know about themIt was a clear underhanded trick by the Republic to frighten the Federation into leaving
>>217403441Khan and Kirk only interact on the ships so it's not like Khan's big pecs ever matter, and Khan's ship is lame compared with the EnterpriseAnd the Alien is big but there's also like 5 or 6 humans against it which should give them an advantage. And it's their big giant ship.
>>217403511I haven't seen the prequels in 20 years so I have no ideaI thought the Chinese aliens openly knew Liam Neeson was a Jedi
>>217401070>Naboo is an outer planet, meaning it's hugely dependent on trade imports>Naboo government (led by Palpy and presumably some senators in Coruscant) attempts to tax the Trade Federation as a pretext for war>Trade Federation blockades Naboo, trying to starve them into submission, then invades them
>>217403546No, chink aliens were told that the Chancellor was sending some AmbassadorsThe C3PO nigga who serves Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon drinks then reports to his Chinese masters that they appear to be Jedi Knights, and the chinks are flabbergasted which is why they release poison gas in the conference room and tell their droids to kill them
>>217401226I thought he would be over the moon now that FAILoni is taking over Star Wars.
>>217403451Yes, and in that same movie, it's shown that Leia was lying about everything she said to Vader. ... Just rewatched the scene. The officers were saying they didn't find anything on the ship, and Vader surmises that the plans were jettisoned with the escape pod. Leia was hiding evidence.
>>217403552For a nation dependent on trade they sure don't seem effected by the blockade. Hell what fucking trade does an idealic paradise with a single city powered by a giant fucking generator need?
>>217403625It shows that the empire completely ignored due process and killed a bunch of people with nothing to show for it. The scene absolutely shows the empire is evil and the rebellion is in the right. Stop being obtuse just to make your gay prequels more palatable.
>>217403663Suspicious activity, and they resisted with deadly force.
>>217403677Diplomatic Missions are suspicious? Bitch it's not like Leia was parked in front of the Star Destroyer trying to keep it from going somewhere. The star destroyer opened fire on the ship with no fucking warning. Why are you being such a pedantic asshole over this.>You're being a pedantic asshole about TPMAsking basic fucking questions about a plot point that the entire film hinges on is not pedantic.
>>217403723The Empire intercepted transmissions from Rebel spies. Also, they resisted lawful detainment.
>>217403512so you concede that ricardo motalban and the alien were visually imposing
>>217401070alex jones explains it>>>/wsg/6074268
>>217403882>Doesn't explain why the TF goes along with itAlex is a fucking dumbass missing the forest for the trees.
>>217401070>a high level official gave them insider information and assured them everything would work out>and it did, for a whilewow I can't believe they've done this who would ever take insider information
>>217403948insider information about what?
>>217403977based retard
