>that part when the good guys have to nuked a civillian city
>>217404332The US should have stayed out of WW2.
Good morning Sar!
>a civillian cityLmaoAs opposed to a non civilian city?
>>217404332it’s cool they’ve forgiven us
>>217404350Japan didn't think so
>>217404376America was already economically supporting the allies to the point where they were effectively part of it. Arguing against this is as stupid as calling saudi arabia a neutral country when it finances wars in other countries.
>>217404376Nice elementary school text book line anon.
>>217404332>civillian citythe civilian city that was in the autocracy engaging in total war? that civilian city?
>>217404445>nooo you can't just keep doing business with people you've been doing business with for decades!Maybe you should try having friends
>>217404332The two atomic detonations were the best thing to happen to Japan. If that didn't occur and conventional invasions of the main islands had to occur, hatred and division would've essentially destroyed the Japanese in the long term. Their country would be split between U.S. and Soviet occupation zones, remained stunted, and they would've never gotten cheap transistor rights so the Japanese electronics industry would never develop to be globally competitive. They would be a stunted divided remnant of a people.But anti-nuclear faggots spout out about the big scary bombs and how dangerous it is so the entire world has an energy crises that could've been solved 50 years ago because stupid ass hippies villify atomic/nuclear technology with exaggerative bullshit (not saying there is not dangers or destruction with that technology, but that it is an agenda to depict the worst of it).>tl;dr: OP is a faggot
>>217404332>civilian cityYou mean Christian city
>>217404332The worlds going to get its chance at taking all the potshots it wants at the US for all the bullshit the US pulled over the last century. Chickens r coming home to roost.
>>217404697Every issue with the 20th century is the result of British and French fucking the world over in the 1919 Peace Accords. The USA just gets the blame by recency bias ignorant retards because the USA was the primary and essentially lone superpower left standing at the end of that century.
>>217404651>atomic detonations were the best thing to happen to JapanInfinitum ad absurdum. Dipshit post discarded. Learn to make a point without undermining your entire opinion by being a total fucking retard.
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>>217404332turnabout is fair play especially after unit 731, jackass
>>217404332The man solely responsible for putting his people in the crosshair at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He was never punished and died peacefully in his bed at 90 years old.
I mean nobody has attacked us since.
>>217404724>US did nothing wrong>and continues to do nothing wrongYou are the dumb bitch who just cut off 4 cars in a row and caused a flaming collision killing everyone in the car, but you werent looking in your fucking mirrors in the first place so you have no idea and just think all these other people are so annoying by slowing traffic down all around you. Exactly why you deserve the fucking consequences of your actions blowing up in your face.
>>217404821Good point.
>>217404332official US drone line: but it acherweuraly SAVED lives!!
>>217404746You're a fucking moron.>>217404826I never said that, I just said USA gets all the blame because of recency bias.
>>217404821no need, you've been owned by your enemies since then
Why didn't the Japanese just surrender?Literally JUST sign the paper, it's really easy. They even use seals there, so you don't even need to know how to write.
>>217404821lol true anon. Been smooth sailing in the workd ever since. I hear the greenlanders cant wait fir you to invade and fuck their shit sideways like you did all across south & central america and hawaii, guam, puerto rico & of course Canada. You guys are the best!
>>217404854Turn off the TV and read a motherfucking history book even once in your god damned worthless fucking life.
>>217404332Go back to /a/
>>217404876this was an inside job thoughanother gulf of tonkin false flag to drag USA into another war
>>217404746>>217404651Ahh he must be wrong, surely it would be better if we let the Nips run their child spear squads and suicide units. Surely that would have been better than two bombs (which could have been stopped at any point by surrending).
>>217404376The US stabbed them in the back first because they saw that Adolf was losing.
>>217404870Japan wasn't a centralized power.Only the emperor had the authority to enact surrender and he never would because of his divine image and a lack of public consent, and never could because there were multiple factions that actually controlled the fighting forces of Japan, one of which actually plotted the assassination of the emperor in order to prevent him from surrendering.If he surrendered without the bombs or imminent threat of Russians he could oin the blame on, he would have been overthrown by someone who refused to surrender.The outcome was a delicate balancing act no doubt coordinated in advance by constant negotiation channels between the Americans and the Emperor's representatives before the bombs had dropped. I have zero doubt that the Emperor agreed to the bombs were going to be dropped in Nagasaki and Hiroshima even before the warnings were made public.
>>217405004>The outcome was a delicate balancing act no doubt coordinated in advance by constant negotiation channels between the Americans and the Emperor's representatives before the bombs had dropped. I have zero doubt that the Emperor agreed to the bombs were going to be dropped in Nagasaki and Hiroshima even before the warnings were made public.Have you considered that is completely retarded?
>>217404332this movie was about the conventional bombings of Japan, not the nukes
>>217404332>civilian cityAsk why 25% of all the people who died at Hiroshima were Korean
>>217404821I think something happened in 2001 that we were supposed to "never forget" can't remember what it was though.
>>217404876>>217405098A terrorism is not a military strike
>>217404897How about you do that, retard?
>>217405060How is it retarded when it gave both parties an out?It allowed the Emperor to maintain power and not be overthrown and it allowed the Americans to claim sole victory over Japan (and losing fewer lives from a groujd invasion) and thus sole control over postwar Japan keeping the soviets largely out.This is how the real world works sonny. Backroom deals. Everyone in the entire world knew that the allies had won a year before the actual end of the war. That's why Bretton woods conference took place in July 1944 that laid out the plan for the postwar global financial system.That's why the Winklevoss twins invested 100% of their payout on bitcoin before anyone even knew what it was, because they had access to the CIA backchannels that let them know bitcoin was a deepstate tool to fund foreign dissidents just like the inernet and tor were for surveillance and espionage, and was going to shoot to the moon.Most of world events we see are orchestrated well in advance, sometimes as much as decades ago.
>>217405213why didn't the americans just nuke the cities without telling the emperor about ithard mode: non-schizo response
>>217405154Seizure of the USS Pueblo by North Korea in 1968.
>>217405271Because without the Emperor's cooperation two nukes, not even 10 nukes, would guarantee the outcome ends up in your favour.The destruction could further galvanize the fighting spirit of the people, the japs may have chosen self destruction over surrender, they may have made deals with the soviets and surrendered to them instead since nukes objectively would have been more barbaric than anything the soviets had deployed against them at that point.They needed the Emperor to give their victory legitimacy, and the Emperor needed them for the survival of his house.It really is quite obvious.
>>217405213If you bothered to learn anything about the situation you'd have known that the military had been running the gov for over a decade and had put the emperor into a figurehead. The commoners were fed propaganda about him while he made effectively zero decisions. The Allies chose to use him because it was easier to placate and prevent insurgencies (friendly reminder Japs were found into the 80s still fighting the war). The first thing the Allies did was have MacArthur take the picture seen here. The message was clear, this may be YOUR God but OUR God is bigger and atomic. Then following that the US appointed a set of legal experts to help the Nips write a constitution guaranteeing equal civil rights for the first time in their history. This constitution has guided the Japanese since. You are retarded at worst and illiterate at best. You can read more about these events in books from the first hand accounts of people who didnthem
>>217405362Nothing you said contradicts what I said.Except you assume that the Japanese military was centralized and not made up of multiple factions who wanted different things (most famously the navy and the army). Look up the assassination plot of the Emperor. If he really was 100% in their pocket there would have been 0 reason to plot his assassination.
>>217404651This
>>217405004>american gaslightingyou bombed civilians. you are war criminals. simple as
>>217405357and why would the americans tip the japanese off about their superweapons instead of just dropping them and then talk afterwards?seems like it would be a lot more straightforward and less risky
>>217404332>>217404350Fuck the Japs, they involved Muricans with Pearl Harbour then got their just desserts from it too.
>>217405423I'm not American and I'm not even downplaying the destruction of the bombs. I'm saying there was 0 chance ot wasn't preagreed on by both American and the Emperor's diplomats.9/11 too was planned in advance.
>>217405405The IJA and IJN fought throughout the war. It's hilarious that you somehow think there was a central bureaucracy because the bureaucrats in it fought. The emperor was never involved in any decisions and the central bureaucracy ignored warnings from the US twice. The first because they did not believe the US had produced the bomb (keep in mind the Manhattan Project literally invented hundreds of new processes and techniques to make even one), and secondly because they did not believe the US could produce another that quickly (Japan had some of the best theorists in physics and their estimates were based on pre Manhattan knowledge). The two shows of force floored the central bureaucracy and led to an all out panic. Shortly after that the emperor announced their surrender
>>217405484>*Was not a central
>>217404690Reminder that Eisenhower was a freemason.
>>217404651>Their country would be split between U.S. and Soviet occupation zones,this is factually incorrect, the soviets had zero interest in a japanese occupation zone, the united states even asked them shoulder part of the occupation and they said no.the reason for this is that overseas shipping is a pain in the ass for any military, Japan is at the ass end of nowhere for the european powers, russia never had a strong presence in the pacific and this wouldve been a pointless burden on their postwar resources.even britain and australia, who also technically had occupation zones in Japan, bailed out of the entire thing very quickly because it was a huge financial drain. literally nobody else but the united states could even afford an extended military presence in Japan.
>Little girl dies because her parents were irresponsible imperials who didn't leave the cityNothing of value was lost
>>217405437They didn't tip off all the Japanese, only the Emperor's house. This way is far less risky.Not that there was any risk to begin with, like I said everyone already knew Japan had lost over a year ago including the Japanese, they were just looking for ways to salvage the postwar period.Also 0 risk because Japan had no way of actually preventing the bombs from being dropped, Americans had 100% control over their airspace.
>>217405484>hilarious that you somehow think there was a central bureaucracy bWrong, I said the opposite, twice now. There was no centralized authority in Japan, there were multiple factions who wanted different things. Some wanted to keep fighting some wanted to surender with differing terms. Didn't read the rest of your schizo reply since you failed to comprehend the most basic point.Even today the Ukraine war is the same. Everyone knows Ukraine has lost, both sides are just trying to shape the battlefield in a way that favours them the most with this outcome. Ukraine is not a unified power, there is Zelensky but there are multiple factions in Ukraine's forces vying for different things, some are plotting to assassinate Zelenaky, etc.
>>217405521Russia literally controls Japan's islands north of hokkaido idiot and would control a lot more if Japs didn't explicitly surrender ot the US.No interest my ass. In the world of geopolitics there is no such thing as no interest. Everything is a potential future bargaining chip.
>>217405637>Everyone knows Ukraine has lost,>poorest country in Europe holds out longer against Russia than Nazi Germany>is considered loserlmao. they will likely have to cede some territory, but they have done irreperable damage to the russian spirit
>>217404332what is this?
>>217405555>only the Emperor's housei've looked on google maps and the emperor's house is actually located in tokyo, japanalso he was under constant surveillance by like fifty different factions>Also 0 risk because Japan had no way of actually preventing the bombs from being dropped, Americans had 100% control over their airspace.wow, I didn't know they invented bulletproof b-29s and none of them ever got shot downyou still haven't explained what they gain from telling the emperor in advancejust drop the bombs and imply that you will drop more if they don't surrender. you know, kind of like they did in real life
>>217404332>good guysUSA was is and will be forever absolute evil
>>217404350the US finally waking up from its isolationist slumber and enforcing a minimum of peace and freedom in the world is unironically one of the few good things that happened in the 20th century.
>>217405714Ukraine is only holding out because the war isn't actually Ukraine vs Russia, it's been Russia vs NATO since the start.US (who stopped recently when it was clear the war was lost) and EU have sent weapons, technology and physical soldiers to fight in the war. EU right now is usikg Greenland's protection against US as pretext to ramp up their war economy to deploy these forces against Russia. But it won't make a difference because Europeans are heavily against conscription. But that's why there are these anti immigration movements, it's being orchestrated by European elites to slowly transition them into an anti Russian fightjng force.Again none of this is a secret, literally most geopolitical channels on youtube are discussing it.
>>217405521What the Soviets said about not wanting Japan MIGHT be true, but if the bombs hadn’t been dropped and Japan hadn’t surrendered, the soviets (and Mao’s china) would have taken all of Korea and any other imperial Japanese territory in Asia not nailed down.
>>217405737Because it’s cooler if I point to a city and say it will explode and then it explodes. instead of a city just randomly exploding and then I say I did it. Fucking moron.
>>217405637>Ukraine schizo Ahh just another Ruskies mad he can't into SEAD but can into dead
>>217404826He’s right tho. Literally all the problems in the world are due to frenchies and brits refusing to accept their time was over. America gets the blame because we had to clean all their bullshit up.
>>217405737>also he was under constant surveillance by like fifty different factionsSo? Emperors of Japan or China ALWAYS have a way to discreetly communicate with the outside.>wow, I didn't know they invented bulletproof b-29s and none of them ever got shot downWe are talking about the closing days of the war dude. Japan didn't have jack shit antiair. They were being firebombed to death with impunity. Battlefield risk is easily assessed, you have risky targets where people in the backrooms have already made cold calculating decisions of how many o.fyour bombers would be shot down and likely die, and easy targets where they've calculated 0 chance of bomber loss. Like I said from the stsrt, you have no idea how wars are actually waged. All that brave hail mary charge into the unknown glory for king and country stiff upper lip shall varry the day is elite psyops for weak minds. Every loss is assessed, even Vietnam and Afghanistan.>you still haven't explained what they gain from telling the emperor in advanceI said it twice maybe thrive now"Surrender to us and we'll uphold your legitimacy, ensure the continuation of your hoise, and protect you from the soviets".
>>217405948>"Surrender to us and we'll uphold your legitimacy, ensure the continuation of your hoise, and protect you from the soviets".why would you say this before dropping the bombs
>>217405904Not ruskie.Try to stay on the point.Find me one geopolitical commentator that has assessed the Ukraine battlefield and concludes that Ukraine hasn't lost.
>>217405975You can't exactly say it by the time Emperor and his family have been completely raped to death or Japan is 90% smpuldering rubble can you.You need to do it while there's still stability.
>>217404993?
>>217406027>You can't exactly say it by the time Emperor and his family have been completely raped to deathwhy would this happen>Japan is 90% smpuldering rubble can youwhy would this happen
>>217404332Dumb ESL faggot.
>>217406080>why would this happenBecause there were already threats on the Emperor's life and growing instability as the reality of defeat drew near.>why would this happenBecause it was happening duh. Look up firebombing Japan. Were the US really going to give uo trying to defeat Japan? Was there a possibility that Japan would fight to the last woman and child? There were Japanese soldiers that didn't surrender decades after the war ended.
>>217405988Ukraine hasn't lost dipshit. The stated goals of the Russian Federation are a total capitulation which they changed to seizing a token chunks of territory which they currently can't hold. Tell me again about how they will capitulate as they strike into these areas. Prove any of your claims especially those you have straight made up in regards to Japan, substantiate the evidence
>>217406287>The stated goals of the Russian Federation are a total capitulationWhat. That has never been the case.How is the Ukraine supposed to win, exactly? How do you expect things to get BETTER for them as time goes on?
>>217406096Nice worthless post, you're worse than OP fyi.
>>217406287Russia says a lot of things which are meant to distract people.The reality is this. Russia only needs the coast. That's all. The rest of Ukraine is kinda worthless. Odessa will be where EU and Russia fight the final conflict. EU is not favoured to win because of systemic problems.It is impossible for Russia to lose because China has openly stated it can't afford Russia to lose. US has largely washed their hands of it.So now it's EU+Ukraine vs Russia+China.Everyone knows this. The professional war analysts in the white house, EU, Russia all know this.So they're already negotiating in the back channels on how to end the war divvying up Odessa in a way that satisfies Russia while not completely bankrupting the EU from their natural resources that would fall under Russian territory.You're too emotional to properly think about geopolitics.
>>217404350We tried but Japan pushed us first.
>>217406589Yeah just for no reason at all rightEmbargoing Japan is trying sooo hard to stay out of the war. Who could have imagined how that would turn out.
>>217406758Maybe Japan shouldn't have been one of the aggressors in a World War while also brutally oppressing its neighboring countries.
>>217406758are you saying refusing to trade with someone is an act of war equivalent to bombing a naval base, sinking battleships, and killing thousands of sailors?
>>217406780Maybe if America wanted to stay out of the war it shouldn't have gotten involved at all?
>>217406811Then Japan shouldn't have bombed them.
>>217406794No. Are you insane perchance?>>217406820>ThenThis implies causality and time. Which happened first, the embargo, or Pearl Harbor?Would Pearl Harbor have happened without the embargo?
>>217406346https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60562240https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html>(Translated)>Russia is restoring its unity – the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe of our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a high cost, yes, through the tragic events of the actual civil war, because now brothers are still shooting at each other, separated from belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies - but Ukraine as anti-Russia will no longer be. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, bringing the Russian world, the Russian people together - in all its totality of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned it, we would have allowed a temporary separation to be entrenched for centuries, we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but also cursed by our descendants - for the fact that we allowed the collapse of the Russian land.Russian President Vladimir Putin holds an operational meeting with the permanent members of the Security Council of the Russian Federation - RIA Novosti, 1920, 25.02.2022Yesterday, 18:03>Nationalists in Ukraine are fighting on the recommendation of foreigners, Putin saidVladimir Putin took on – without a drop of exaggeration – a historical responsibility, deciding not to leave the Ukrainian issue to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia – for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia and outpost from Ukraine to put pressure on us in the West, is only the second most important among them. The pathetic thing is that you are clearly one of their posters shotposting here cause no flags and you aren't good enough to post on a board cause your too dumb to VPN
>>217404332Reap what you sew. I think Imperial Japan was actually pretty cool, but they did much worse.
>>217406883So you are reading the tea leaves from something Putin said and extrapolating from that something he didn't say.You presented it before as if it were official Russian policy to demand a complete takeover of the Ukraine, as if that were one of their demands.No, it's just imagination. Russia is clear what its demands are. But ACTUALLY you know that Putler wants more because... something about slavs being brothers or whatever.
>>217406480Losing as always with Ruskies posters is a sliding timeline mirroring their failing army. Simple facts from the war>1 Russia has destroyed prewar stockpiles and lost all ability to replace any heavy equipment >2 Russian aerospace is beyond gutted and now has lost almost their entire bomber wing of their nuke triad>3 Russian oil sales are fundamentally crippled >4 NATO members are now producing at rates not seen in almost a century>5 Russian manpower is so dire they have paid out rocket knowledge to the Norks to give them bodies>6 The Russian "navy" in the Baltic is gone and now Turkey is the sole hegemon of Lake NATO Yes the likely outcome is the breakaways will be ceded, but that assumes that the Russian Army will be able to delay to that point, which is certified not clear at this moment
>>217406962This is the state sponsored media posted two hours after the VDV landed in Hostomel. I know because I was reading it as the invasion happened
Not who you replied to but always take idealized, publicly stated goals with a grain of salt.These things are made for public consumption and are meant to instill the common fighting man with patriotism so he is willing to sacrifice his life.These are almost never the real goal.The real goal of war when it's not existential is always about resources, that's all.And yes that also means the US civil war wasn't about slavery.
>>217404332The Japanese would have died off as a people if this didn't happen. The chemical TN8 would have been used to kill their crops including the rice crop, which was the staple of their diet. Being an island, running out of food means they starve to death en masse. It would have been a real holocaust
Reminder that Putin made a "it wasn't me" tier lie about Ukraine attempting to assassinate him at his residence like a month ago. That's how full of shit he is.
>>217406989You are insane.>Yes the likely outcome is the breakaways will be ceded,So Russia will conquer the parts of Ukraine it wants. It will get what it wants. But you expect its army to collapse before then?I personally just think it's sick what you've done to the Ukrainian population. You have annihilated them. Just so you can have your weird little plucky marvel story.
>>217406962the fear of NATO excuse by russia is absolute horseshit. Finland joined NATO because of their shenanigans in ukraine, they now have a thousand miles more land border with NATO than in 2020 and did literally nothing.NATO bombers are now 6 minutes away from striking St. Petersburg. Its literally worse than if Ukraine joined NATO.its a simple nationalistic land grab, this is all there is.if Ukraine joins the west and experiences prosperity, the russians next door will hang every future russian president because they still have to live in mud huts.
>>217407009for >>217406883>>217406989I don't even know the point you are trying to make so I'll restate mine.Russia is heavily favoured to win the war.The only variables are:1. How long it will take2. How many losses they will incur3. What portions of Ukraine they will end up with.Of course it's not certain, EU could join in a hot war tomorrow and conscript EU citizens. But even if this happens it's not likely they will win. And the chance of it happening without EU dissolution or violent revolutions is slim.
>>217407023I'm sure what Russia wanted was a four year war in fake republics they maintained for 10 years. At the cheap cost of irreplaceable equipment and massive casualties
>>217407023>It will get what it wants.It wanted decades of economic isolation and being a bitch to China for survival? Even if sanctions are lifted when the war ends, nobody is going to do business with Russia until Putin is dead and meaningful reforms and penance is made. Enjoy your bombed-out land I guess.
>>217407086>the fear of NATO excuse by russia is absolute horseshit. Finland joined NATO because of their shenanigans in ukraine, they now have a thousand miles more land border with NATO than in 2020 and did literally nothing.Was Finland engaging in endless low level war on the border against pro Russians?>if Ukraine joins the west and experiences prosperity, the russians next door will hang every future russian president because they still have to live in mud huts.'Prosperity' meaning third world demographic replacement, right?
>>217407123No, it wanted eastern Ukraine and Crimea.And it got those.Right?But you are trying to paint this as a loss and seriously suggesting their army might collapse before then?Which is larger, the Russian army or Ukrainian army? Which will outlast the other in a war of attrition?
take it to /pol/ faggots
>>217407134russian military strategists literally dont give a shit about russian minorities in other countries.theres russians in manchuria right now who are treated like shit by the chinese.a russian minority party in estonia was recently banned for taking slush money from the kremlin - no reactionturkmenistan has kicked out most ethnic russians from their country in the 90s - nothing happened.its all about global power projection and the need for russia to be taken seriously as still being a superpower. they completely shit the bed with their invasion in ukraine, they were embarrassed in an historical level. Imagine if the united states failed to crack saddam husseins' defenses in iraq and got bogged down for 4 years, you would still be memeing about it.their strategic situation is now worse than what it was 5 years ago. they are chinas cocksleeve and in demographic suicide. and nato keeps expanding because they are a shitty neighbor
It was a false flag, pearl harbor was staged, when this didn't work, they staged Pearl Harbor and blamed it on an innocent japanese family living generations in hawaii, they knew it was going to happen so they let it happen
>>217404332They aggroed a much stronger opponent and refused to tap out even when the fight was obviously over. It was the only way to make them see reason.
>>217407161>But you are trying to paint this as a loss and seriously suggesting their army might collapse before then?Considering that it already almost collapsed during the Wagner mutiny it's not off the table
>>217404651>>217405484The nuclear bombings were completely pointless atrocities that were meant as a show of force to the Soviets, who got the bomb anyway.Most serious historians are aware that the Japs did not know they were a nuclear bombing, as it did not need to be one. Just look up the firebombing of Tokyo.Besides, there was no plausible plan to invade the mainland, the proposed starvation tactic would have dragged on the war for too long.>>217406883>source: political propagandaWhoa.And even if we were to accept that the villain indulges Mr Bond with his diabolical master plan, none of the text you quoted even remotely imply that they had any other plan than to make Ukraine into another Belarus.
>>217407403I genuinely hope someone feels the only way they can make you see reason is by beating you to death. Maybe you'll have a brief moment of realization before you pass on.
>>217407455The japs weren't beaten to death though, only slapped really hard. Maybe a little too hard in hindsight.
