Does Ken Burns regret having him on the documentary?
Yes because he was the best part of it. Ken Burns would've preferred more negro worshiphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7ekJUwWuAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYBZiiUUC4whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4jCSzXq0tU
>>217404818>Ken Burnsisn't Shelby Foote the preeminent Civil War scholar, or at least wrote that popular three volume work.
I havnt watched any burns doc since Vietnam because it's all leftist bullshit.>did you know the idea of a republic actually came from savage indians???
>>217405192the iroquois were pretty cool. i like early colonist history where they got along with natives and could appreciate aspects of their culture. did you know the louis and clark expedition was partially inspired by a native explorer who taken a similar route a century before?
>>217404818He was nice to listen to and although he has strong bias any experienced editor will be able to cut any bullshit he said and leave the correct shit in, it's not like the documentary was raw unedited footage of interviews with this dude as sole authority. The problem was that they didn't cut some of the bullshit.
>>217405158>isn't Shelby Foote the preeminent Civil War scholarNo, retard. he isn't even historian or academic, he didn't even graduate college. He's as you can see on that screenshot a 'writer' and that's as far as his 'qualifications' go.
>>217405192>Reality is based in leftismYou're so close to understanding, lil bro.
The entirety of Ken Burns work has a single message: America bad. In his latest series, he actually said the founders got the idea for the US Constitution from Indians. Ahahahaha. No shame.
>>217405738No one who's not dumb or brainwashed believes you. And you're so far gone, you're obviously immune to constructive debate so I won't bother.
>>217405192>>217405852Imagine being this dumb
>>217404818He reused him in his later "Baseball" project, so I guess not
>>217405673The one academic they had spoke in circles and broken metaphors about how>Da cibil wah was reely abow black peepoand whined about reparations for her closing statement. Whereas Foote's was quoting a passage from a veteran's memoirs that discusses how the common ground they found in combat helped reunite and rebuild the country.Foote discusses anecdotes and passages from people who were there and does a great job at encapsulating the feelings of soldiers and civilians on both sides, he does a much better and fairer job than anyone would do on any Civil War documentary today.
>>217405908If you're not a troll, refute it. You can't. Ad hominem is all you have. Bye.
>>217405673wow he didn't go to a jewniversity so he must be wrong
>>217405397the problem is that today academics wouldn't just want to tell the admittedly forgotten story of that native explorer, they would also want to belittle Lewis and Clark's own expedition and cry that they have appropriated indigenous culture and experience or something that sounds like thatby the way, I have a question about american history for those who are knowledgeablewhy did Jefferson fund Lewis and Clark's expedition to the Pacific and why did he buy Louisiana (the giant stretch of territory owned by the french, not the modern state) ?He was clearly preparing the US for the huge expansion which gave it its present borders but I've always heard that the ideal future that Jefferson envisioned for the US was that of a small agricultural republic of small landownersan expansion over the entire continent doesn't seem to me to be a good fit for a small scale democracyfor context, I'm not american myself, I'm french
>>217405943>uncritically reading memoires>>217405987He did go, but he fluked out LOL
>>217405738what a reddit moment this was
>>217406084*flunkedAnyways he's clearly a smart guy so why would he flunk out? Not bending the knee to the leftist narrative? That reflects badly on the university, not him.
>>217406084>Ummm sweaty Barry Benson and Sam Watkins were racists so they views and experiences don't countJesus fucking christ I hate fucking leftists so fucking much.
>>217405158Yes. His History of the American Civil War is still the seminal narrative history of that conflict. It made people with 12 year academic history careers seethe because he didn't litter the already 3000+ page work with citations and instead released a separate bibliography (which they then criticized on account of him not using "enough" sources and using too many "direct accounts" whatever the fuck that means).Basically, they were pissed that a guy who was a writer could do 20 years of independent research and blow them the fuck out writing a historical work which would sell far better than their book about Ulysses S. Grants' gay black stableboy or what the fuck ever.There's a reason Burns scheduled his interviews with Foote before anyone else and way more interview time with him than anyone else.By the time the documentary aired, Foote was so respected as writer that he sat on half of the big publisher creative boards alongside other such luminaries as Maya Angelou and Cormac McCarthy.
>>217406084>He did go, but he fluked out LOLBill Gates, Steve Jobs, the Zucc, a lot of people have dropped out of college and done pretty well for themselves.
>>217406125He didn't flunk out, he literally wrote for the university's literary journal while he was a student. He realized he wasn't interested in academics and moved back home to be a journalist (back when you could do stuff like that without a degree)
>>217406167if you would actually know anything about studying history you would know that there's no memoir that should be accepted uncritically. Even in law dispute eye-witnesses aren't taken uncritically. Memoirs aren't factual records, they are always biased knowingly or unknowingly as people misremember shit all the time, especially when it comes to traumatic experiences such as wars, battles etc.
>>217406284You're right. That's why no historian ever uses sources like Plutarch, Polybius, Cassius Dio, Tacitus, or Herodotus.
>>217405893>'you're so far gone'>calls a documentary leftist just because it tells the trvth
>>217406284What does "uncritically" mean. He knows enough about the Civil War to contextualize anything he reads.What else should he do? And what is better than a first hand account from someone who was actually there? What exactly are you proposing as a better source?>>217406344It's not even debatable that Burns is a serious liberal.
>>217404818Don’t care the guy was kino and gave the documentary a certain charm not everything needs to be x did y shit gets boring after awhile
for me it's the Baseball documentary, which also features Shelby
>>217406324None of those sources are used uncritically and are famous for being biased. Any historian using them as primary source without critical approach would be laughed at. The fact that you used them as some sort of 'gotcha' just proves how dumb you are and how little you know about historical studies...
>>217405852They did, partially. It's a historical fact; the Founding Fathers left a lot of writings to explain their thoughts.There were other considerations, but a lot of the ideas and concepts we take for granted derive from people like the Iroquois. Because, you know, the dominant political theory in Europe was that the leaders are gods and we should all be lucky to live under their yoke.>>217406396>It's not even debatable that Burns is a serious liberal.Even if that were true, what would it matter? That's the textbook definition of an ad hominem.
>>217406396yes but more importantly he uses his work to promote false subversive narratives in slick packages so the dumb, the gullible, the credulous, and the media all buy into it and it becomes conventional wisdom for many - particularly now that US education is in the toilet so both knowledge and critical thinking are lacking
So why are people seething about the new revolutionary war one he done I watched it and it gave a neutral view of both sides?
>>217406449>baseball racist>unions good>business bad>POC heroes
>>217406482>There were other considerations, but a lot of the ideas and concepts we take for granted derive from people like the Iroquois. Because, you know, the dominant political theory in Europe was that the leaders are gods and we should all be lucky to live under their yoke.Jesus Christ.
>>217406063as part of the ideal of small landowner rulership of the Anti Federalist ideal, most power was held by the individual states, which were in effect their own countries for a while. idea being that they'll break up the purchase to a bunch of different states and the federalists wont be able to centralise the government easily.
>>217406490>he uses his work to promote false subversive narratives in slick packagessuch as the lost cause
>>217406482>It's a historical factIt isn't though>Because, you know, the dominant political theory in Europe was that the leaders are gods and we should all be lucky to live under their yoke.Except it wasn't.What are you even doing
>>217405852The Iroquois League you stupid faggot.
>>217406284>Ummm sweety every single person south of the Mason-Dixon line was an evil racist who only cared about slavery because my peer-reviewed academic paper from 250 years later that rejects anything it dislikes as biased says so>You can't JUST discuss the human aspect of a conflict using the viewpoints of a private in a Tennessee infantry company who was at every single event you chud
>that chud who shills Lost Cause of the Confederacy while telling other people they don't know history
>>217406482>Even if that were true, what would it matter?Because the entire discussion was about if it was a leftist documentary or not?What are the odds of a far liberal documentarian making a non leftist documentary?>>217406490It's just the standard liberal world view. All artifacts of the last century are products of it.
>>217406585Hey dumbass this has been covered.And the founders were clearly larping the Roman Republic, not the Iroquois
>>217406627>What are the odds of a far liberal documentarian making a non leftist documentary?Very high since liberals and leftists are two completely different things
>>217406585Naming doesn't make it true. Your angry insults however prove you're triggered. Condolences.
>>217406737Actually they're almost identical, they all believe pretty much the exact same things.Anyways that is beside the point. The point is the liberal filmaker made a liberal film and pretending otherwise is a waste of time
>>217406534so basically he envisioned a collection of small peasant republics ; he was okay to populate and settle the entire continent but in his scheme no single government would rule the entire territorydo I got it right ?
>>217406737Theoretically but do you know or can you name any true liberals in this timeline? They've all capitulated to the far left, even if they're faking it.BTW who comes out of this doc worse than McLellan? (spelling?) Altho he got the Army ready
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>>217406455All ancient history sources are biased, retard. Every single one, due to the nature of patronage which is why they were written in the first place.
>>217406795The real question is can you name any "leftists" who don't believe all the basic liberal SJW shit.Find me a "leftist" who says that brown are poor because they're dumb and dysfunctional. They don't exist. "Leftists" literally believe all the same basic worldview shit as liberals, but pretend to be different somehow.
If you had read Shelby Foote's History of the American Civil War, you would know he does a really good job of keeping his bias out of it.The one place he doesn't is where Joe Johnston is concerned and he apologizes to the reader for it. But you can't read about Chattanooga and not be frustrated with ol' Gentle Joe. I think the prize for "most incompetent gorilla retard of the war" is a toss-up between he and McClellan. Ironically, both were deeply loved by their troops and both did everything they could to seemingly keep their troops out of action (to the major detriment of their respective causes).They're really great reads and I'd recommend them to anyone. Even 3400 pages or whatever they are and I never once felt like it was a slog to read.
