Jobbers or elite?
Jobbers. Nobody in the Dune Universe takes war seriously, it's the same shit as Battletech, everybody is too busy LARPing as knights
>>217409504fucking Fremen conquered the universe, anon
>>217409504Dune is a shitty universe that had WAY too many books.
>>217409503Genuinely elite, but past their glory days and starting to get a little overconfident for their station. Remind you of le West much?>>217409505Yeah, through defeat in detail via FTL monopoly, and nuclear fire support.
>>217409503Elite jobbers
Why so much luddite shit and eugenics wank.
>>217409509Why do eugenics make so many people so asshurt when eugenics in animals is the backbone of civilization?
>>217409507>Remind you of le West much?No.
>>217409507>Remind you of le West much?We literally just pulled off one of the cleanest and most successful high profile snatch and grabs in decades, basically taking an entire nation in like half an hour.
>>217409510The idea that some humans are just objectively better than others and with selective breeding you can easily make an entirely superior class of humans goes against the modern "every life is valuable" cope
>>217409509The dirty, awkward truth about eugenics (and dysgenics) is that it delivers quantifiable, significant results with relative ease; and worse, it's in the middle timescale between results right now and results in the far far future.
>>217409514It also presumes that we will be the untermensch, because by definition only future generations can be bred for superiority.
Literally the fat out of shape dude that talks about what a bad ass he used to be
>>217409512Well, sure, in terms of capability even a middle-sized European nation can ass-rape any brown country. But it's not about that. It's about the fact that Westerners don't breed, so in just a few generations total demographic collapse will ensure there's not much of a West left, if simply because the only people remaining will be browns and they're incapable of maintaining advanced societies.
>>217409504You freebirth surats are not deserving of a serious war.
>>217409503>>217409509>>217409508>>217409516They COULD make sense beyond just the quaint perspective of "Living in a rocky desert makes you infinitely stronger and faster than people who have had peak nutrition and training for twenty generations straight". Simply, being optimized for shield combat would make you actually worse than average soldiery without shields. This is the nature of hyper-optimizing, your reflexes, your tempo, all your instincts would be way off. Being the best shield to shield fighter would cripple you on Dune, the advantages of physique and iron dicipline notwithstanding, someone optimized towards shieldless combat (fighting on a surface you're not used to) would make a laughingstock of you. Think about how MMA fags get fucking crushed when they try to box, and that's a much smaller difference.
>>217409503herbert is a moron who thinks that strong people come from harsh environments, so by this logic the shittier the place you were born in, the toughest you are. this is literally what niggers think, and they often clash verbally with one another bragging about how much more dilapidated and degraded their hood was compared to their rivals. the fact is that it's been proven time and again that this is absolutely false, and it's a retarded trope created by subhumans who can't discern between desperation-fueled aggression and actual combat prowess.
>>217409503The problem with this is that most soldiers should be trained with guns not swords.If everyone is equipped with a personal shield then why wouldn't the enemy just send in 1 guy with a laser rifle to nuke your entire army by just hitting any of your soldiers that are shielded?it would most more sense if most people were unshielded and used guns.
>>217409512Yeah, in shithole Venezuela lmao. Try that in a superpower.
>>217409515>>217409514>>217409513>>217409510The problem with eugenics has never been that eugenics can't work properly it's that governments can't work properly and they'd have to administer the eugenics program for it to work. Imagine every government boondoggle, every failed social program, every well-intentioned but maladministered initiative, every policy that failed due to the disinterest of government workers, every gerrymander, every fighter jet built across 30 congressional districts to buy votes.Imagine that, but something actually complicated like a breeding program for for the most complex animal with the most and most complex traits, and the result of the program is also the final and only check on elected officials in the future...
>>217409522There are no superpowers the last five years have definitively proved there are no near peers or near-near-peers or any other fucking army on the planet operating at let alone past the level we were at in the fucking 80s.
>>217409521The laser explosion is random and can happen centred on the person firing. You'd need the laser guy to get close enough for this not to matter at which point why are you even using a laser? Just strap a nuclear bomb to his chest and call it a day.
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>>217409521>why wouldn't they just NOOOK NOOOK NOOOKhow can you be this dumb. Dune is fundamentally a Cold War story set in space.
>>217409521 >>217409525>just send in 1 guy with a laser rifle to nuke your entire armyBecause the laser/shield interaction is inconsistent and doesn't always result in a nuclear explosion.Also there is a MASSIVE taboo against using nukes on humans so anyone caught doing it is going to get gangraped by all the other houses
>>217409503you'd think that they'd just add a some conventional plate Armor under the shield and be invulnerable to everythingalso, flame weapons
>>217409525>Just strap a nuclear bomb to his chest and call it a day.Ordos jew
>>217409522>Try that in a superpower.I'm 100% convinced they could pull it off almost as easily over Kremlin, the only thing preventing that are MUH NOOKS and also King Retard still having a soft spot for monke because he flattered him a bunch and he has a sore spot about 2016.Russian AD is a fucking meme against American SEAD and who's gonna oppose them on the ground, Rosgvardia with milk still running down their chins? lmao
>>217409523There are more effective organizations than liberal democratic governments, the bene gesserit as a cynical quasi-religious order is a fine example
>>217409507Reminds me of pidorasha and the globul eest
>>217409525The dumb lazer/shield shit is a terrorist paradise.You don't even need to get one of your own guys to allah ackbar themselves with the interaction, they've got floating drones they use for assassination, just rig one of those with a small laser.
>>217409532Liberal democracies suck at governance, they just suck less than all of the alternatives. Religious institutions are some of the worst governed organisations in history.
>>21740952199% of the time the las interaction is like a stick of dynamite on both ends, and in the rare occasion it's like a small nuke your enemy goes to the gay space UN to say you used a real nuke, making a massive headache for you.Dune combat is not about killing the enemy it's about not getting orbitally bombarded by the gay space Mafia.
>>217409532>Trust the Gesuits goy
>>217409535>Liberal democracies suck at governance, they just suck less than all of the alternativesThe direct and exact opposite is true.
>>217409536That's why it would be used for incredibly easy acts of terrorism, and is such a fucking stupid contrivance.
>>217409538Fuck off dictatorfag, see how well it has worked out in the real world.
