Crazy to think modern audiences watch this and take it at face value as what classic westerns were when it was pretty much a deconstructive parody. It's the equivalent of looking at Scream as the epitome of classic slasher horror.Scary how the context of cultural artifacts gets distorted and washed away as time passes.
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>>217414721It's a lot scarier how the genre informs how people think those times were in any way like. Westerns are pure american fantasy.
>>217414721When most people say a movie is a "classic [insert genre here]" they aren't actually referring to anything regarding the genre itself. They're essentially just saying it's good and old. You autistic freak. Learn to communicate.
>>217414808Why do Westerns get held to this expectation of realism when every other genre is generally understood as a fantasy?
>>217414957because the setting presents a supposed time period that feels close enough to modern day. everything else it's far enough removed it can't possibly be conceived as reality-like
>>217414957becaus movie takes time in an old place so it means that the movie is a history biography. things need to be bulls eyed when that what is given
>>217414721dont mind me but I just wanna say once upon a time in the west is infinitely better the good the bad and the ugly
>>217414926/thread
>>217414926I assure you that when a newfag wants to get a taste of the "classic western genre" they are so much more likely to watch the dollars trilogy and once upon a time in the west than the actual classic westerns
>>217414808The film that kicked off this era was a 1:1 remake of a Japanese Samurai film directed by Italians shot in Spain and set in Mexico
>>217415120It's objectively worse by every single metric you can measure a film by.The Man With No Name is a more interesting and better played protagonist than Harmonica will ever be. Tuco as the co-lead is infinitely better than Jill, it's not even comparable. As much as I love Henry Fonda in OUTITW, he just can't hold a candle to Lee Van Cleef. Take the theme songs. Man With a Harmonica, no one recognizes. Everyone knows that song. It's maybe the most iconic song of any western ever. Moreover, TGTB&TU is riddled with iconic quotes. "When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk." "There are two kinds of people, my friend: those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig." and so on. The other has one, maybe two? "You brought two too many." Egh.Even in cinematography. Can the opening train standoff scene hold a single candle to the cemetery triangle duel? Frank killing those kids and establishing himself as a surprise villain might've worked during that year (Henry Fonda isn't the protagonist, h-h-he's the villain!?), but the scene with Angel Eyes eating at the man's table and murdering him? Better in every way. I hate you faggots that keep pushing this movie. OUTW is such a good movie, but I keep having to shit on it because you keep trying to elevate it past its betters.
>>217415120NoHowever they are both infinitely better than the other two of the dollars trilogy.
>>217414721Unga bunga hork hork hork
>>217415362Anon if anything you're supposed to parallel Tuco to Cheyenne not fucking Jill lol
>>217415362>better playedaaaaand you lost me
>>217415224>Wow this is so much better than Rango and An American Tale 2, I didn't know classic westerns were this good!
>>217415362At the end of the day TGTBATU is a buddy movie where protags just randomly stumble into funny hijinx over and over on a journey towards a treasure. The dynamics that arise from the railroad dispute elevate OUATITW into something much deeper and poetic. You can argue it's not as fun a movie, sure, but it is better.
Anyone else hate westerns? I hate the time period. It doesn't seem cool it just seems sweaty and boring. I always find it bizarre these guys who are on the brink of heat stroke are chewing tobacco and drinking whisky. The action is often uninteresting. Oh wow, you and your friend vs 8 guys in some cousinfucking Pueblo village. uhhh ok
>>217415610no one gives a fuck about no god damn railroad
>>217415661I used to, and then I watched them. Some of them are some of the greatest films of all time, some are Il Grande Duello. Same story with most genres that I'd only seen parodies of.
>>217414772i’m not reading anything written by a girl anon gtfo
But how do we feel about Unforgiven?
>>217414721I hope their media analysis cards get revoked.
>>217415744Overrated revisionist attempt at "ending the western"
>>217415661I like it because it's fantasy with guns and trains instead of swords and dragons
>>217415830How about Django Unchained?
>>217414721Crazy to think people watch Tarantino movies without having watched Leone's and they think his style is his own
>>217414721>He thinks modern audiences are out here watching a movie from the 1960sLmao. They are familiar with the song and the title and that's about it. They probably think it's the one where "this town ain't big enough for both of us" comes from
For me, it's Giu la testa/duck you sucker.
>>217415861Mississippi is not a western state.
>>217416673Lol
>>217414721So you be sayin they lack media literacy
>>217414808Depends on when and where you were on the frontier. I certainly wouldn't want to be in Texas when Comancheria existed. Or anywhere near the Midwest immediately after the civil war.
>>217415362>Take the theme songs. Man With a Harmonica, no one recognizesBait
>>217414721>Crazy to think modern audiences watch this and take it at face value as what classic westerns wereAlmost anyone who knows a thing or two about cinema is aware that spaghetti westerns were gritty revisionist takes of classic american westerns from the previous decades. Still some of the greatest westerns ever made.>It's the equivalent of looking at Scream as the epitome of classic slasher horror. so what? it's still a good meta horror with slasher elements, and better than 90+% of the horrors it was making a parody of.
>>217414721what makes it a "deconstructive parody?" it's in no way similar to something like scream
sorry niggers, all of you havent watched "DUCK, YOU SUCKER!"(or a fistful of dynamite) and thats the bestest western
>>217414721Happens all the time. The Epic of Gilgamesh is most likely somewhat of a deconstruction itself.
>>217417431Someone revoke this man's media literacy certificate
Because it's old enough that they think of it as classic.>>217414808Retards treating fiction as fact is inevitable. Anyone with a brain can still enjoy blatantly inaccurate but cool movies while understanding they aren't true to life.>>217414926>normalniggers are morons who use language incorrectly, now make sure you cater to them or else you are an autistic freakNo, I'm tired of the ruling of the drooling masses, I want pedantic autists nitpicking absolutely everything because I love the details and I don't have the brain of some room temperature IQ pavement ape that starts malfunctioning trying to process more than 2 thoughts at once.
>>217415362I'm gonna get shit on here, but The Man With No Name sucks as a protagonist. He's a silent cool guy who looks badass and it's always fun to watch him effortlessly fuck up goons, but beyond that he has no real depth and can't really be used for much because his character just doesn't have much else to him. Tuco is a better protagonist.
>>217415661Your right in the first half and wrong in the second. The setting is boring, I agree, but the action and dynamics of how people fight and survive in that environment are what make it great.
>>217414721God I miss cinema
>>217414721Its all just an exercise in pacing.Tedious, tedious, tedious, tedious, suspenseful, SUSPENSEFUL, SUSSSSSPENSSSSSFULLLLL, SSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSPPPPPPPEEEEENNNNNN OH MY GOD NOW YOURE JUST FUCKING WITH US STOP SPINNING THE CAMERA AROUND AND SOMEBODY SHOOT ALREADY PENNNNNSSSSSSFFFFUUUUULLLLLL
>>217415439Jill is the true main character of OUATIW, Tuco is the true main character of TGTGTU
>>217416907the state of modern man
>>217418048>noooo you need to want to live in a shithole surrounded by raiding savages!Frontier was always for outcasts and losers.
>>217414721Fear not there will always be a YouTuber essayist out there to remind them
>>217418038sam is the real protag of lotr-tier assessment
>>217414721When I finally go offline, dump all this digishit, I will enjoy running 16mm prints on my projector, and this will be one of them. It’s perfect.If the whole kitschy, tacky, shmaltzy genre of westerns sold to retards as american history culminates in an Italian-spanish standoff between a murderer, a theif, and Clint Eastwood who is kinda both, the cold calculus of power dynamics & dealing coning to a boil…You may think its a caricature of the western, but it could just as easily be the distillation of the very best of the entire genre. If you were to ever want to watch one western and one only, it’d be hard to top this.
>>217418104>outcasts and losersthese are the people that created your media
>>217418048They used to peel the skin off peoples backs and tie them down over a fire ant mound.
>>217418178>TheyWho?
