>no tom bombadil>no goldberry>no fatty bolger>no old man willow>no barrow downs>no glorfindel>no beregond>no scouring of the shirePeter Jackson is a hack.
Have you seen how fucking much is in those books? It wouldn't have been as good of a trilogy as it was if they didn't trim away massive chunks of singing and lore dumps.
These movies were Satanic. Gabdalf using sorcery and all the other little critters that looked like humans are just trying to make ghouls and demons and imps appear human to make Satanic themes palatable.
>>217416164>no scouring of the shireOnly this was genuinely importantEven then "did not include X" is far from the least problems of the movies. The great issues with TT and RotK is how much it changes(for the worse), not how much it omits.
>>217416245Whoever gave the browns WiFi should be shot
>>217416197Oh is that why they added new storylines like Denethor hating his son for some reason? This whole "they had to cut it because of running time" doesn't work if your movie adds original content (all of which is a million times worse than even the most trivial scene in the source material).
>>217416375Denethor favoring Boromir is in the books. And it's better for Hollywood than having some scene with Tom dancing around being an idiot with no explanation
>>217416164>>no scouring of the shireGood. It works in the book, but in a movie it's retarded to put an event like that after the climax of the story and the culmination of evil's complete defeat.
>>217416245I remember back in the day when John Hagee swindled Harry Potter was satanic for some reason
>>217416164Nobody cares you fucking sperg
>>217416164bombadil sucks in this old world "gay" kind of way
>>217416245>>217417052You are Mexican
>all the tension of fleeing from the ringwraiths is killed for an aside where some sperg sings to them and treats the ring like a joke after which they wake up naked for some reasonI love Tolkien but he has some big flaws with pacing and such from not actually being a "writer"
>>217416164Who in the!? Who in the FUCK is Fatty Bolger?
>>217416164Netflix will make a remake that is faithful to the books.
>>217417082So are you
>>217416251>Heroes defeat villain, ring is destroyed >Happy ending>O wait no their homeland is still being buttfucked by the mook who was defeated last movie>Easily defeat him but their homeland is still ruined >Roll creditsThis might have fit the themes of the book somewhat, even though it was a kick in the nuts there too, but as the post climax finale to what was basically a popcorn flick, it would have been untenable ass conclusion.
>>217417082nah he's a kike seething over the fact that LoTR is considered a Christian story.
>>217417544Rotk had no business being a popcorn flick
>>217418010it's not thoughit was just written by one
What was that Bulgarian version where they have a naked guy playing Gollum and you can see his balls and asshole?
>>217416164>3 LoTR threads on the front pageWhat is happening
>>217416164unironically.The LotR films are great movies and about as good as we could have gotten in terms of an adaptation, but most of jackson's decisions were bad and to the detriment of the adaptation
>>217416299>>217417082>He thinks religious derangement over media is not something whites doNeed I remind you of the giant spergout when this film released.
>>217418503don't know the book, but the film was alright was disappointed there wasn't a followup
>>217418422his only bad decisions were additions of shit like the cavern of skulls, the elves showing up at helms deep, the dumb pirate cameo shit, etche's not good at improv at all it's why the hobbit stuff is so bad
>>217416497>It's better to waste time jamming in retarded storylines about Denethor hating is son, and Elrond being an asshole about his daughter marrying Aragorn (whom he raised) than to include a scene where a character is entirely unaffected by the most powerful object in middle earth
>>217418519I have fond memories of it when I watched as a kid, and I don't want to rewatch it lest it actually be as bad as everyone claims. I was also sad there was no sequel, since I was really expecting one.
>>217418503I've always thought of this as the one thing the Christfags were right to be angry about. The Book is what they say it is.Unlike pokemon, dungeon's and dragons, Doom, harry potter, a wrinkle in time, etc. This shit is a straight up propaganda parable taking pot shots at Jesus.
>>217418503LotR and Narnia are the polar opposite of Pullman's literary excrement so comparing the schizos who attack Tolkien's books to the people who rightly criticize anticlerical propaganda isn't a valid argumentand of course, go back to plebbit
>>217416164The book version of Fellowship is long as fuck for no good reason and I'm fine that Jackson cut that stuff out.It would have been nice to see the scouring, but it would have required almost an extra hour of time spread between movies 1 and 3.People only care about Bombadil because he's the only memorable part of the long ass book 1, it's not like he's some brilliant necessary character.
>>217418563>to include a scene where a character is entirely unaffected by the most powerful object in middle earththere's no way to explain to the audience why Tom doesn't just take the fucking ring himself if that's the case, it would be in a shit spot in an already long ass movie, slow it down completely, for no other reason than it was in the book, and the only reason it's in the book at all is a wink to Tolkien's kidsChris Tolkien was so pissed off it was removed he specified Jackson and all them were to have no involvement at all with Rings of Power when he allowed that abomination
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not even Tolkien could ever explain why Tom is there or what he was because he has nothing to actually do with the story, he's solely there because he's a character Tolkien used to amuse his kids with, he's not even part of middle earthit's like this cameo
>>217418525he made marry and pippen retarded and made gimili a comic relief retard, made aragorn cut off the envoy's head, made aragorn have the sword during the weathertop fight. pretty much every change he made to the source material was for the worse and the only parts that were good were either stolen from the rankin bass version, ie the part under the tree or the ring wrathes stabbing the beds were shot for shot from the rakin bass cartoon or like Aragorn having a bow which was something Vigo added, not Jackson. Vigo was like>I'm supposed to be a ranger living off the land? give me a bow to hunt rabbits
>>21741840625th anniversary, they are showing the extended versions in theater
>>217418603Pullman is basically a G-rated version of Garth Ennis. All the edginess and schlock are absent but the same mindset is there underneath
>>217418676yeah I remember than in the books, Aragorn has no bow but adding it in the movie wasn't jarring at all, it actually makes sense and I think Tolkien himself would have approved it
>>217416245As opposed to christianic themes like cutting off your foreskin?
>>217418676he also made them add eating utensils and sharpeners and shit to his costumeI also think he got paid more than anyone save Gandalf
>>217418676>made aragorn cut off the envoy's headthough this scene was wisely removed from the theatrical version. In the book you haven't heard from Frodo in over 100 pages, so when the envoy shows up with his armor and says he's dead you think he's telling the truth. But in the movie you know he isn't.
As a movie, Tom shouldn't be there at all. LotR in all authenticity really wouldn't work as a movie series at all. Tolkienfags just seethe at everything. Yeah, ROPE is bad but the Jackson trilogy is basically perfect as a MOVIE trilogy and not like adapting Leviticus from the Bible word for word.
I'm reading the books for the first time almost halfway through Two Towers. Every change the movie made is for the better and make sense. Even Boromirs death isn't as impactful in the book.
>>217418793I have never seen the theatrical versionI heard it actually cut several things whom fans found objectionable just like you said for Aragorn's war crimeany other example of unnecessary content which got cut in the theatrical ?
>>217418828Exactly, a book experience, especially on the autism level of Tolkien definitely needs adaptation if it's going to be a movie. Bookfags can enjoy their encyclopedias but some of us are dumb and just want to watch a Fantasy adventure movie. And the first trilogy didn't fuck up much.
>>217418406>>217418683we're far enough away from when it came out that it's in style again and it blows away literally every single sloppa film that's come out in the last 10-15 years by a mile. This very thing happened before, btw LotR came out in 54/55 and then became super popular in the late 60s/early 70s, pic related.It's a credit to Tolkien that people still get autism about his story every few decades>>217418742>it actually makes sense and I think Tolkien himself would have approved itthe bow or the sword? the bow might be ok, IDK but there's literally a tolkien letter where he got a screenplay for LotR and he sperged out for like half a page about how they had Aragorn using a sword at weathertop, it's funny as fuck. the only other thing I'd say about the bow is that Tolkien was super uninterested in writing anything about any nonmagical weapons or armor. any mentions of any nonmagical weapons are few and far between and when they do get mentioned he generally does not describe them in much detail
>>217418772kek, didn't he larp in his costume at some point and camp out on set for a while?
>>217418865>the bow or the sword?the bow
>>217418828it's honestly a hard book to read though because the language gets thick and it's a mess in placesit starts off taking its jolly time and then starts compressing things together more and more, should be like double the length based on the beginning's pacingsit's not a novel and it's not a history book it's some weird place between them, and half the detail of things is buried in addendums rather than the main booklel most of aragorn & arwen's story is all addendums iirche wasn't really an "author" and he had this maddening work method of writing everything by hand on notepads, while writing it as one huge book, and every time he got stuck, he would start the fucking thing over from the beginning no matter how far in he was
>>217417544It completely changes the message of the story without the scouring of the shire. The real reason it wasn't included is because they ran out of budget.
>>217416164>no scouring of the shireI don't see how you could make this work in the movie.
>>217418900The prose is great. But if you are trying to read it consumptively like a young adult novel, that can be lost of you.
>>217418942It's so anticlimactic anyway. I don't know what Tolkien was thinking
>>217418961>I don't know what Tolkien was thinkingThat when you come home from war, home isn't the same as it was. It was also changed by the war.
>>217418943>The prose is great.it is but it speaks from this entirely different world and thus often needs a lot more digestion and looking up of things to understand it
>>217418974And that defeating the big bad guy in a faraway land doesn't mean that evil at home is gone as well.
>>217418974I guess it's only like 35 pages or something but still. I don't think it would have worked in the movies. People already complain that RotK ends like 4 times.
>>217419009Nicholson supposedly left and had to ask Wood what even happened at the end, lol
>>217416164Tom Bobadill ought've been a post-credits thing, trilogy within a trilogy. Finding the barrow Elf swords and fit's part of them getting serious about this.
>>217419050>Finding the barrow Elf swords>while mysteriously losing their clothes>none of them can remember how
>>217419009It's a pretty cinematic sequence so it would film well. But it completely changes the theme/message of the story compared to what they ended up going with and is expensive to film.
>>217419069I just don't think it would've worked for a movie. The ring is destroyed, the bad guys are gone, the end. Yeah obviously the book is different but for a movie that would've just been like "okay I guess"
