Will the Star Wars franchise ever regain the level of cultural dominance and mainstream influence it achieved during the George Lucas era?
ESB is shit so no.
>>217417233Why dont you just fuck off, you worthless cunt? George gave us a complete story. Threads like this are just advertising for more nu wars faggotry.
Something inspired by Star Wars could find that same success, but not Star Wars itself. The young males of 1977 were not particularly interested in Flash Gordon, Kurosawa, and dated Westerns, but they were captivated by a new property that had a little bit of all those things inside it. Another media sensation of the same scale might come along, but if it does, it won't be called Star Wars.
>>217417233Nope.
>>217417233No and it doesn't need to. You faggots need to learn to let go of IPs from your childhood instead of obsessively trying to necromance it into the next generation. All of this shit would have aged so much better I'd it wasn't tainted by obvious mediocre cash grabs every 10 years.
>>217417233No, that ship has sailed. Disney's contaminated it so badly it will never recover, like a Nurgle infestation.
>>217417245Saying Empire is shit is like asking people to disregard your opinion.
>>217417233No, anyone who ever cared about it has long since dropped off after Disney did their best to strangle the golden goose out of either spite or incompetence and there's no new audience that exists to pick up the slack.
No. Lucas is an Intellectual Property Savant. THX, LucasArts, etc...
>>217417233They'd have to do two things. One, they'd have to basically be George Lucas. This can be done, but you'd have to find someone who is genuinely interested in Star Wars to essentially roleplay as George Lucas. It's not the same when you have tons of people making different creative decisions. Each movie feels less enigmatic. The other thing they'd have to do is stop constantly releasing Star Wars content. The films should be spaced out by about three years, and there should be a fifteen year break between each set of movies to make people want them more. There can be a series or two between films to tide people over.
>>217417233CheckedLucas could have made a film about the presidency of Warren G Harding and it would have been just as popular just like Kubrick made a Napoleonic era character study into the greatest movie of all time. The magic is not in the IP.
>>217417423Every thread on this board is like OP asking, "how do we improve x," then tons of people promptly going "x is shit and you are bad for wanting to improve it." Just something I noticed here specifically.
>>217417233>can i copy pasta a movie 20 times over for money?LMAO!
>>217417361>Another media sensation of the same scale might come along, but if it does, it won't be called Star Wars.Yeah, but it wouldn't have lightsabers. Lets face it, the Star Wars universe is very cool and can do a lot that any other franchise just can't. It's about as far as you can possibly take thigs like Flash Gorgon and Kurosawa. And it somehow appeals to both men and women of all ages despite being made basically for boys.
>>217417233(1) Take George Lucas hostage(2) Put him on a treadmill for 6 hours a day with a Niacin/caffeine/B12 drip(3) Threaten to expose his AI Natalie Portman porn collection unless he writes a new trilogy(4) Force a serious director to handle it, if there are any left under 80 years old.
George Lucas's original idea of having episode VII focus on Luke and Leia training children to become Jedi was perfectly fine. People act like everyone would have hated it because of how people reacted to Anakin in the Phantom Menace, as if it was the fact that Anakin was a kid that bugged people and not the acting and directing. Hello, have you ever heard of a movie called Harry Potter? Or what about Stranger Things season one? A trilogy that starts out with kids who get older as it goes along would have been a massive success, granted that it was done well, or at least had the kind of liveliness that George Lucas's saga had.
Star Wars seems to still be going strong. The Disney trilogy just seems to have 0 impact.
>>217417954>No movies for years - they've planned a Star Wars movie every year originally, but then Solo happened.>The latest series have all failed. Skeleton Crew flopped so badly, you don't even remember it existed.>Mandalorian and Grogu will do lower 500m.>Only a few video games have released in more than a decade of Disney owning Star Wars. They were admittedly good, but the last one released a while ago.That's not going strong, that's limping at best.
I know how to save Star Wars. This will sound crazy but stay with me on this. Prequel nostalgia and memes are at an all time high. Anakin is the most popular part whenever he appears in nuWars. Hayden Christensen clearly has nothing better to do and still seems eager to be in more Star Wars stuff. So what you do is make a new fanfiction tier "What If" trilogy. What If Anakakin never fell to the dark side. You still have Order 66 and Palps take over the Empire, but now you have a freedom fighting good guy Jedi Anakin. You can have any number of member berries and cameos of pretty much any character. You can have young Luke and Leia. You can have Yoda. Anything is possible. Because it's a What If anything can happen. I guarantee this prints billies.
>>217418100It's not the worst idea, but I don't think I can take any more Rebels vs Empire.
>>217418079Merch on all the old trilogies still sells. LEGO just released a $1000 Death Star set that is always sold out. People still talk about it. The cultural impact is still going strong, The problem is it's just that none of it is towards any of the new series. If Disney sucks it up and makes a good movie series that isn't Ray slop, it'll still sell and the sequel trilogy will be forgotten as the weird middle child.
>>217418100We already saw Disney's attempt at handling a "what if" with Marvel, and all they could come up with was shit like>what if Star Lord was black>what if Captain America was girlThey wouldn't be able to help themselves. Plus, knowing the current "creatives" in their employ a Star Wars version would just end up being>what if Qui Gon found Ahsoka on Tatooine instead of Anakin>what if the clones were based on Ahsoka instead of Jango Fett>what if Ahsoka trained Luke instead of Obi-Wan>what if Ahsoka blew up the Death Star
>>217417616More like x ran its course and the only "people" who make threads like these are shills and manchildren who can't grow the fuck up.
>>217418144Outside of overpriced Lego shit the Star Wars merch absolutely doesn't sell anywhere near what it used to even post-prequels, not even toy stores stock that shit anymore.Hell, even funkos are dying off.
>>217418145Just make the split part of the timeline the end of Episode 3 where Anakin helps Windu against Palps (Palps gets away instead of killing Windu). Palps still does Order 66 so the Jedi are depowered. That way you aren't just trying to rewrite everything. You are probably right though that Disney would fuck this up and just make it an Ahsoka trilogy and not an Anakin and everyone else trilogy.
>>217417233No, Star Wars fans hate Star Wars and only want to destroy it.
>>217418100I would make a film about the Sith during their years in hiding. It would be some time before the days of Plagueis and Palpatine, but not so far back as to enter the Old Republic era. The idea is to show how two Sith (master and apprentice) occupy themselves when they live in fear of a strong Jedi Order and have no plans for galactic domination to carry out. Their evil adventures would seem petty and pointless compared to what happens in the PT, but there could still be some interest in those stories I think. Two downtrodden religious weirdos trying to keep their dead doctrine alive in the face of adversity.
>>217417233Nope. Film no longer has that ability.
>>217418355The only Star Wars fans left are the ones clinging desperately to all the nu-wars faggot shit like a desperate lifeline, how are they responsible for killing it? If anything, they're the only ones keeping it on life support.
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>>217417361I think we are more likely to see Hollywood collapse before we get something new
>>217418355star wor sisters, we've been found out
I don't think we'll ever see mass culture like before social media ever again. When the TV/Radio/Newspaper was all you had and they were all covering Star Wars, Michael Jackson, and Cheers.
>>217418561We just had a decade of capeshit
>>217418079The fact that I have no desire to see the Mandalorian and Grogu is very strange to me. I never thought I'd see the day that I wouldn't give a single fuck about a Star Wars movie. Really, the last one I cared about seeing was the Last Jedi, because as horrible as the Force Awakens was, it did generate interest in how the story was going to evolve. Once the Last Jedi came out, it became obvious to everyone that there really was no story and that this was not a trilogy worth caring about, which is putting it lightly. Actually, I'm stunned that any professional filmmaker could make something as staggeringly horrible as the sequels. They're among the worst movies I have ever seen.
>>217418931All 3 are really awful and how bad they are really lends itself to the cultural vandalism theory
>>217418355Gen X has somehow managed to be the generation that dictates how all people feel about everything. They decide if something is good or not. They're also very miserable people, so they force you to hate anything that's fun and lively like Star Wars, the Grateful Dead, etc. and force you to believe that Kurt Cobain is a good artist who doesn't write monotonous, unpleasant music while singing like a cow. They're completely joyless people and deserve way more hate than they get (which is almost none.)
>>217418931I watched a few episodes of s01, Mandalorian is utterly boring garbage. I actually liked that other star wars show that flopped more, the one with all the black women main characters
>>217418931>I never thought I'd see the day that I wouldn't give a single fuck about a Star Wars movie.That first happened to me when Solo was working its way out of Disney's lower intestine. I realised I couldn't care less. Then the trailer dropped and it somehow made me care less. I didn't see the film until last year, and it was as bland and empty as I expected it to be. There's just nothing going on these films, no substance or excitement. Never mind wokeness or diversity, the real problem is how insipid it all is.
>>217418532Yeah, the film racket will continue to follow the music biz path. It spent decades out of ideas, cranking out overproduced corporate design-by-commitee shit like 1940s 50s & 60s “acts” & in film, capeshit & probably star wars in light of how bad it got giving directors free-reign, and endless covers, remakes & reboots. Then someone notices that in the vacuum left, a whole crop of talented artists have developed their own styles untampered by the industry. Then the biz capitalizes on them, everyone else bleeds them dry, the A&R men realize it's way easier to just go back to making boy bands and dance acts than it is to find another rolling stones or led fucking zeppelin playing in small clubs, and go back to cranking out cheap trash as fast as ppl can buy & forget it. The era of the independent filmmaker is upon us, and their films are playing at film clubs and festivals. Eventually they will be plundered for content to feed mass audiences who can’t get off their couches. And on and on it goes.
>>217418973I've theorized that Disney sees writing a good Star Wars movie as a poor financial decision when there are smaller franchises that can't sell tickets with the title alone. It's like they already knew a lot of people were going to see it on the basis of it being Star Wars, and didn't want to use good stories when they could be adapted to movies that don't have that kind of cultural relevance. Disney is a business more than it is an art studio.
>>217417423from my perspective, there should be no IP
>>217417616because they're miserable old assholes. they don't want things to be good, the want them to be bad so they can sit and complain about them
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>>217417233>Will the Star Wars franchise ever regain the level of cultural dominance and mainstream influence it achieved during the George Lucas era?Doubtful. But I do think it can be repaired.The fundamental setting is great thanks to George Lucas' world building and it lets you tell practically any type of story you want with WWII dogfights, gun battles, sword fights, space wizards, space fascists, space cowboys, aliens, bounty hunters, and pirates.Its frankly easy to tell a fun Star Wars story. I'm genuinely amazed that Disney managed to fuck it up as hard as they did.
>>217418162Why are you seething?
>>217419042naw if that were true they'd being using this sudden small supply of "good stories" on something and they haven't.
>>217418162sw has a whole catalogue of eu material just like dc and marvel comics. there's plenty of stuff to be adapted
>>217419042They only had to write Stars Wars to be as good as their Avengers-era MCU flicks, and most people would have been happy with that.
>>217417233God I hope not, the world has enough garbage in it as is.
>>217419105George Lucas is an idiot for including the younglings scene. It's not even that it's too dark, it's that it kills your ability to feel for Vader. He also could have made his becoming Vader so much more believable and epic. I was eleven when it came out. I had spent the past three years fantasizing about what that movie was going to be like. What I imagined was better than what I got. I pictured the scope of the film being so large. But what did I get? Two hours of a retard walking between two buildings and being unhappy until he suddenly decides to become a Sith because, well, it's episode III and he's supposed to. It's the only truly bad Star Wars movie that George Lucas made. And I will never fucking understand why he wasn't fighting the clone wars in that movie. The end of episode II sets up the beginning of the clone wars, so I thought III was going to be a whole lot more of that. The only clone war footage you see is other people, so that you hopefully get distracted from how boring and shitty the core of the movie really is. Awful movie.
>>217419196Someone pointed out to me that they could have basically made Harry Potter in space with Luke as Dumbledore teaching a new generation of Jedi and they would have made bank.That's what annoys me so much about the Disney trilogy is even if they'd done something easy and uncreative they would have made something way better than what they did. I think the legitimate criticism of Episode 7 being gutless and derivative went to their heads and lead them to go bat shit subverting expectations with The Last Jedi. The damage that film managed to do is really extraordinary. A dozen derivative films like Episode 7 couldn't have done the damage that Rian Johnson's wank fest managed in one film.>>217419232I disagree that Episode III is a bad film, I think Episode II is considerably worse although it has some great moments.I do agree that the Younglings scene was ill advised. That's not first day on the job evil villain work, that's the sort of thing you have to work yourself up to. I could see Vader doing it; but freshly converted Anakin shouldn't be that much of an extremist yet.I think the prequels in general are filled with great ideas and major mistakes. It makes them interesting to discuss. The core idea of Anakin falling to the dark side and Palpatine using a phony war to have a republic willingly become a dictatorship are great ideas. Lucas just didn't deliver them as well as he could have.In contrast the Disney sequels have no interesting ideas. They're just a random grab bag of bullshit meandering to a pointless conclusion. Thus they're no fun to discuss because you can't point to any minor changes they could have made to salvage what is ultimately a stupid story from start to finish.
>>217419232good synopsis of it.>guy walking between two buildings>never fought in the clone warsthe clone wars were in my mind as a child watching the first film, something very long and huge, spanning decades of struggle - not "a clone battle" or "a short war", it was "wars". and it sounded to take place much longer ago, that obi wan was very old, people aged differently in star wars and it was almost ancient, a bit like the boer wars - so more like 80-100 years before.didnt like the mauri, or the biba fott dad idea.the prequels being long slow boring poltiicial and romance films with lots of silly and unthreatening enemies was a bit lame, but lucas said he toned everything down for younger children - seems like for 5 year olds, but then they aren't active enough stories.the making of the films is of high qualify, but the creative decisions have some problems. padme is great, dooku too, the look of the jedi council etc is nice.
>>217419232Anon discovers Star Wars is a boring soap opera. You see this often in ESB and ROTJ
>>217419390there's a battle every 5 minutes in empire
>>217417233You can't get back the whiskey after mixing it with two gallons of piss
>>217417233>Will the Star Wars franchise ever regain the level of cultural dominance and mainstream influence it achieved during the George Lucas era?no but that's because i'm not working there yet. when i get there it will return to peak lucas levels, mark my fucking words. i can't spoil my plans now, but since dave is taking over he's hungry for collaborators, you'll see me there in a few years running the show.
>>217419390No, retard. Revenge is very different than the other five films. The others are sci fi fantasy adventure films. They feel like interstellar road trips. You follow the hero across the galaxy and are exposed to new worlds with them. Revenge of the Sith is just a boring biopic. You're saying every Star Wars movie is like the one single movie in that saga that feels nothing like Star Wars. You're a fucking idiot.
>>217417361except there was a new Flash Gordon movie in the 80's which did pretty well, and cowboys and samurai are evergreen as a concept, as long as you do them well. Tombstone and Unforgiven were well recieved.The big filter when it comes to black and white movies is always the black and white aspect. People on the whole do not like watching black and white movies, and already felt that way back in the 70's.You can show kids today a movie from the 70's or 80's (like say Jaws), and they'll hardly know it's an old movie, because it fully holds up.
>>217419498He's right, though.
>>217419514I just explained why you're not. Just saying I'm wrong while engaging with nothing I've said and pretending to be someone else no less is you conceding. You'd have looked better if you said nothing.
>>217419479Not if i don't see you first sonny.
>>217417768Gen Xers do this thing where they performatively hate child actors. I never understood it.As if Home Alone or Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory are bad movies.Anakin isn't even bad in episode 1. He has the best part of the movie, which is the pod race.
>>217419502>except there was a new Flash Gordon movie in the 80's which did pretty wellimagine talking this hard out of your ass lmao
>>217419675It's literally a well liked and well remembered movie.>but it didn't do SW numbersI mean, it's not as good as SW. OG Flash Gordon was also never as good as or as popular as SW.
>>217419641no, gen x specifically hates child actors from the mid to late 90s and 00s to early 10s, this was when they were in their late 20s/early 30s and reaching their late 40s/early 50s. anything before or after that they give a pass.
>>217419324I really don't see how II is worse than III at all. I feel like any problem you could have with that film, III is far more guilty of. And II still feels like a Star Wars movie, with new ideas and new worlds. The fucking grenade explosion in the chase scene between Obi Wan and Jango Fett feels is better than anything in III. It's like people just decided that II sucks and III rocks via coin flip.
>>217419706it flopped, was critically panned (changed in recent years due to people being less retarded), and is a cult classic.
>>217419707I've heard people shit talk Newt in Aliens as well. As if it would be a better movie without Newt (it wouldn't be. It would have no emotional core).
>>217419714people decided II sucked due to george's bad directing of anakin and padme's budding romance. yeah, he wanted anakin to be an emotionally stunted teenager and awkward at rizzing up the senator (and frankly hayden nailed this aspect), but hershlag's flat delivery of awful dialogue didn't help either. go rewatch the infamous "i don't like sand" scene. it's not hayden that's ruining it. it's natalie.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miVu_LOC0G0
>>217419641>the best part of the movie, which is the pod race.It's not, and the fact that it isn't just shows how masterful George Lucas is at structuring his films. You would think that the pod race would be the main attraction, but the finale with the four battles happening simultaneously while kind of mirroring each other tonally is so massive in scope, it makes the pod race seem like nothing. Awesome movie despite its many flaws. I have a hard time picturing someone actually not enjoying it when watching it, but I guess miserable people are out there.
>>217419390Obviously.
>>217419719I guess it did better in the UK. It's got a Queen soundtrack, and Brian Blessed is in it.
>>217419753Okay, but what I'm saying is III makes every mistake that II made except worse while also feeling nothing like Star Wars. If you thought Anakin seemed dumb in II, he seems completely lobotomized in III. Also, the part of the film where he goes to save his mother and kills the Tusken Raiders is more believable than anything that happened to him in III (which is basically nothing at all.)
>>217419714I rewatched them all and I think I actually prefer Clones.
>>217419785>If you thought Anakin seemed dumb in II, he seems completely lobotomized in III.this is intentional, anakin is changed by the war, it's why he doesn't hesitate for very long in killing dooku.>nothing happens to anakin in 3plenty happens. he's lied to and manipulated by literally everyone except for the droids and padme. he's constantly swapping allegiances and annoyed by everything when all he wants to do is win the war and raise his child. that is why he gives into palpatine's bullshit, because it's at the very least a way out to secure a future for his family.
>>217417233>cultural dominance and mainstream influenceSuch things can only exist in within the context of Whiteness
>>217419823>anakin is changed by the warBut none of that was shown in the film, so even if that is true (and I think you made it up) it's still technically bad writing.>plenty happens.Not in the movie. Revenge of the Sith is just watching a guy turn in his misery due to things that had already happened as he walks back and forth between two buildings. Everything that actually happened to him was either in the first two movies or happened off screen. It's Star Wars. You're supposed to see him going out there and getting fucked up by the war, not psychologically manipulated like some kind of lab rat. And I can't stress how retarded his reason for becoming a Sith is. He did it out of love. It was a means to an end. It is so incredibly idiotic. Love caused him to leave the dark side. It wouldn't have caused him to join it. I can not stress how bad this movie is. The only reason it's so overrated is because the idiots who like it also happen to be the loudest, most obnoxious gigachads online, so that sways people to believe it must be good.
>>217419324>Thus they're no fun to discuss because you can't point to any minor changes they could have made to salvage what is ultimately a stupid story from start to finish.I still say the only change that would have made the movies even remotely redeemable would have been to let Rey fall to the dark side in the second movie while Kylo gets tossed aside only to redeem himself in the third. It wouldn't even require that much of a change since TFA and the first 2 acts of TLJ foreshadow it from a mile away.>Rey is quick to anger, emotional and temperamental>only ever beats Kylo (both in the mind probe scene and the lightsaber fight) when she gets pissed>has no patience at all for Luke's trainingYou could have her and Kylo kill Snoke then turn on him when he offers her the chance to join him, but instead of fleeing she steps up as the new leader of the First Order and pulls out force choke/lightning on anyone who challenges her.
>>217420192Of course, that would require Disney ever implying that a woman could have faults.
>>217417233No, because Disney has never, EVER sold an IP. So it'll be milked for whatever its worth and then doomed to linger in the Disney Vault (TM).
>>217420337In theory, it can still be good with Disney in charge. It wasn't that long ago they were producing good movies like PotC, or pre-enshitification Pixar. Even the earlier phase MCU, which was fine.Whether or not I want Disney to pull themselves out of the shit and start making more money is another question entirely.
