>>217392618
>zero hype
SHOTA DOMINATION!!They actually shaved the kid's head for this, respect
>>217423714third for MILLY
Stream where
Reminder that /tv/ belongs to House Blackwood; all Brackenfags and Greens get crucified
>>217424223
>>217423714I'm gonna watch it for Dunk
>>217423714Is it on tonight?
>>217424315Based
>>217424089ugly monke
>>217424361yes
>>217424223Go fuck your dead treegod Niggerwood
>>217424223House Blackwood are for plebbitfags. This is a House Codd board.
>>217424524*cute monkeDon't be rude
>>217424223YOU need to go back.
>>217423714I don't have HBO, I don't even leave in the US to be honestwhat time for first the unauthorized free stream ?
>>217424846What time is where you're at? Probably just looking up pirated streaming sites from your country and you'll find the episode.
>>217424885>What time is where you're at?GMT+1 hour
>>217423714bloodraven is a twat
>>217424996My running theory is that the Blackwoods weren't exiled from the North, they were sent south as part of a plan, probably a fallback point if the Wall fell and the North couldn't be held. My thesis is based on the Blackwoods not having any animosity towards the Starks whatsoever, and in fact they back the Starks in every play throughout Fire & Blood and ASOIAF; punished exiles wouldn't likely do that.
>>217425060And a boss. Bitterbitch is a cuck that dies in a ditch in Essos.
>>217425117Cuckraven was the biggest cuck in the history of planetos though
>>217425060>>217425117>misshapen nerd foils his gigachad half-brother and cuck him out of the woman they both wantedyeah I can see why most of 4chan would identify with Bloodraven
>>217425172They feared him for being a Chad and winning
>>217425172why ? because his gigastacy girlfriend probably had plenty of lovers other than him including when they were together ?or because he got Walled by Egg after he made him king
>>217425228He was magical, Egg was right to send him where his magic was needed.
>>217425216>Chad and winningDude was obsessed with his half sister who openly cheated on him and enjoyed making him jealous, and he still kept on proposing to her and being rejected. That's just depressing>>217425228Mostly the former. Maybe the latter, it depends.
>>217425379you need to understand. she was extremely hot.
>>217425379>That's just depressingLife's not a song
>>217425648It is. It's a Song of Ice and Fire.
>>217423714Loli sansa and loli arya just hit diff in the first few seasons
>>217425668That's just a story, like the ones Old Nan used to tell
>>217425379>openly cheated on himwere they a couple?didn't she just sleep around and tease everyone as a single woman?
Reminder that every targaryen king after Daeron is illegitimate
>>217425753>loses his first and only ever battle>gets himself and his two sons arrowedBlackfyrebros…
>>217425710it's seems that Bloodraven took the relationship pretty seriously at least. Hopefully we'll get FnB2 and more in depth information there
>>217425796That's all cuckraven witchery
>>217425797>the last of the king’s bastard children, a girl called Shiera Seastar who became the greatest beauty in the Seven Kingdoms, beloved of both her half brothers, Bittersteel and Bloodraven, whose rivalry would ripen to hatred.>>Bloodraven proved to be a capable Hand, but also a master of whisperers who rivaled Lady Misery, and there were those who thought he and his half sister and paramour, Shiera Seastar, used sorcery to ferret out secrets.quick and dirty ctrl+f "Shiera".it seems some sort of a love triangle. maybe she had them compete to prove their love and bloodraven won in the end.
>>217425796the books make it sound like it wasn't his first battle and he was actually quite experimented even before the start of his rebellion
>>217423970hype for what exactly? is s3 hotd here?
the cast for this all men? total sausagefest on imdb.i watch got/hotd for the boobs exclusively.
>>217426055don't look up Tanselle too tall.
Is it shit?
>>217423714Calling the banners for /got/ bannermen who served between 2013 and 2015
>>217426055I saw some whores in the trailer, but they're just funny whores, like Shae was.
>>217426151aaagghh
Will there be a stream here? The alien earth threads were fun and comfy
Sweet Summer children. Your hopes are soon to be dashed.
So what are the expectations, is this gonna be good?
So its 6 Episodes a 30 minutes? Rip
>>217426305Extremely faithful but thematically inert
>>217423714how many episodes the dunk show will have ?
So… are any of the other mentally ill aemond sisters / Ewan dick riders still here? It’s been years.
>>217426359…
>>217426359Yeah we are in the secret discord
>>21742631330 minutes per episodes ?
>>217426359TAOBA!
I know you girls love edgelords but we please pivot to being weird about Duncan. He’s really sweet(?) and qt.
>>217424223>blackwoods are cowardly war criminals who cry for mommy and beg for forgiveness when their about to die by daemons hand >brackens make badass one liners and face death with no fear, earning the respect of daemon >no bloody Ben >no one gave a fuck when bloodraven showed up in a vision played by an ugly Jew >george and normies hates the show now, everyone thinks blacks are boring and gay while the greens are recognized as the only interesting part of the show, daemon and rhaenyra are a joke now with generational aura loss Genuinely suprised you haven’t killed yourself yet
>>217425990A Knight of The Seven Kingdoms, a comfy spinoff novella of ASOIAF got a tv adaptation, first ep tonight
>>217426313Why not just make a fucking movie at that point? They’re gonna make people wait a week for a fucking 30 minute episode? God this franchise has gone down the toilet.
He bore the sword. Simple as.
>>217426519Yup>>217426551No clue. I will wait for full season and binge it. If you can even call it that.
He bore the arrows. Simple as.
>>217426566You’re not too black. You’re just right for….for ebt
>>217426566She is not too tall for me iykwim
What's his endgame?
>>217423714How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?
>>217426530He comes...
>>217426650A thousand and one
>>217426650No eyes. The night king killed him. He sacrificed himself so that a stark could be king over his nephew and niece
>>217426528Baratheon kino
>>217426721>He doesn’t know
Can someone explain to me why the great houses didn't immediately declare independence once the dragons died?
Let me tell you somethin pendejo... You pull any of your crazy shit with us, you flash a sword out on the tourney lanes, I'll take it away from you, and stick it up your ass and push the fucking hilt 'til it goes *plop*!
>>217424223I'll never side with anything that's the author's pet
>>217425105This right here is why I don't support the blackwoods.
Strike me down and the Stranger himself will bring retribution. The Warrior's sword will be the judgment upon you. You may well recoil, for now you see me as I truly am. Dreadful in vengeance, righteous and glorious!
>>217426721>He sacrificed himself so that a stark could be king over his nephew and nieceDamn when you put it like that he really is a cuck isn’t he. No loyalty to his blood
>>217426649He's got food hidden in his outfit. Probably a whole pizza
>>217424541Finna watch this with my bitch
Spoilers for show ending: Egg goes insane just like mad king and dany and burns his entire family to death in a blood ritual
Cute and canon!
>>217426305>is this gonna be good?lol. lmao even.
>>217427275The real spoiler is that he successfully hatches dragons with his blood ritual and Dunk is forced to kill both him and the dragon hatchlings.
>>217426885they secretly liked it
>>217426359I finally got my boots
Was Alt Shill X right when he said KOTSK is kino
TAOOBA>>217426359>it’s been yearsTime is a flat circle.
>>217427800lollmao
Arlan of pennytree was a good man
>>217427919Ser Twenty?
....semoc eH
>>217427800Yes no maybe. It can't be worse than hotd.
>>217426229I'm still not sure if this character is supposed to be a man pretending to be a woman, a woman pretending to be a man, just a man, just a woman. Like the actor is a tranny, I get that, but the character?
>>217426530>no one gave a fuck when bloodraven showed up in a vision played by an ugly JewWait what
>>217427800Gurm says its his most well adapted work and he trusted the showrunner enough to share his 12 dunk & egg story draftsIf its any indicator I watched some interviews of the dude and he comes off as a nerd, doesn't have that same air of arrogant prick Cumdall and D&D had. Maybe I'm coping. But I have some faith.
I’ve missed you retards.
>>217428287>and he trusted the showrunner enoughYou didn't saw this last interview? He trusted Condal a lot before s2.
>>217426885Everyone sees the big shiny throne and thinks "hmm, mayhaps I will get a turn if i play my cards juuuust right.." and everyone below those guys thinks "hmm maybe if i get rid of him i will get a turn to mayhaps play my cards juuust right"
>>217428349It's been a while since I have discussed asoiaf so these thread will definitely be fun.
>>217428220Heres your badass otherworldly Odin elf albino tree god dude
If WoW ever release (lmao) where would the discussions for it take place?
>>217428133beautiful lady
A long time ago I had a CK2 campaign where I conquered Yi’ti and founded the Dragon Dynasty with Daemon. I came across a Valeman Slave with the highest tier of combat ability all the way out here whose character ambition was to become a knight. He also had a bunch of the seven virtues. I freed him from slavery, made him a knight, raised him to nobility and made him the first of House Goodser, and landed him on a wealthy trade post on the frontier of the steppe I was conquering from the Jogos’Nhai.Thanks for reading my blog.
>>217428287>his best adapted workI mean duh. The Dunk & Egg novellas are extremely short, and The Hedge Knight especially. The showrunner wouldn’t even have run into the usual problems that plague adaptations, like figuring out what scenes to adapt, how to jump between different storylines, etc. In fact, they had the opposite problem, since they had to write new scenes on top of the original scenes to even get to a 6-episode runtime.Also, George always has a honeymoon phase with these new shows. (Though he is mostly justified in his spat with Condal, since we saw how season 2 turned out and the nonsensical changes implemented).
>>217423714dead franchise
>>217426885Because the Targaryens built the Kingsroad which unified all the Kingdoms and made them far more interconnected and reliant upon each other than they previously were.
>>217428426There’s a semi-active general on /lit/But presumably this general will just be revived if there’s no show running concurrently
>>217428426>where would the discussions for it take place?In Narnia
>>217428545Shhh, it’s the best /got/ spin-off general after /tg/‘s got nuked and it seems to be mostly comprised of actual book readers and not wiki slurpers so don’t advertise it too much.
>>217428426Lit, and it’s going to suck.
I’m europoor and I have work tomorrow. Any solutions?
>>217428580Doesn't /lit/ hate ASOIAF?
I recently re-read asoiaf and it's crazy to me that anyone believes anyone but Dany is meant to be Azor Ahai within the story. Just in case the entire blood magic ritual to wake dragons from stone in the first book wasn't obvious enough, George felt the need to later point out that the Valyrian word for "prince" (ala prince that was promised) is not actually male gendered, and has someone refer to her dragons as a "flaming sword hanging above the world" just for the midwit crowd who needs a nudge towards the obvious conclusion. I don't remember things feeling this clear on first read but now I'm shocked there's any controversy at all.
>>217428717AACCKKKK
>>217428717Yeah Dany really is the most certainly Azor Ahai though the last hero's myth fits Bran way better.
>>217428717>prophecies are supposed to come truelol, lmao even
>>217428717>le chosen oneIt’s not that kind of story… Rhaegar got -ACKed hard for buying into it.
>>217428769>>217428763>>217428717Azor ahai was the bloodstone emporer, an insane evil sorcerer who wanted to be worshipped as a god and triggered an apocalypse to worm his name into the fabric of history, Euron is mirroring his actions in the present day. The last hero is the actual savior figure of the long night, azor ahai triggered it
>>217428492Do one for house Hickey next time.
>series centered around time travel>none of the adaptations have even dared to touch it with a 10-feet poleWhy are HBO such cowards?
>>217428717>>217428769>>217428806>>217428851Rhaegar was Azor Ahai. Jon is Lightbringer. This is basic stuff.
>>217428870I wouldn't say ASOIAF is centred around time travel, but they did have Bran do a bit of time travel in the show
>>217428883Grow up, seriously
>>217424223>>217424757>DUDE WHAT ABOUT THIS AWESOME LORE RICH HOUSE OF ZERO CONSEQUENCE WHATSOEVER IN ASOIAF IT'S THE COOLESTFatman got rich on idiots like you
>>217428988Fatman got rich from HBO, not book nerds
>>217428504You can say that he's lucky in the way that he gets to adapt a fully fleshed out Gurm work, something we haven't had since the first half of thrones. Cumdork's work was harder since he had to make entire episodes from cliff notes, but even then he couldn't get those notes right and used the ambiguous nature of f&b for his own personal political agenda like making a branch of pale skinned pale haired dragon people all niggas or whitewash rhaenyra like smuggling laenor to essos instead of killing him angle, constant lightening of her dialogue and making alicent a bumbling retard with no agency. Parker could have done the same and injected some girlboss oc since 99% of the cast of THK is men which wouldn't fly nowadays, but after seeing the akotsk reviews this week come out and call it a sausage fest I let down a sigh of relief and thought "yeah okay this nerd just wants to bring gurm's work into tv"Comfy days are waiting for us lads
>>217428717The prophecy that will come true is Cersei being killed by the Valonqar
>>217428717The point of this and other prophecies in the series are not be "mysterious" to the reader, in my opinion. The point is how individual characters interpret it and how their beliefs lead to actions and consequences that drive the story even though they're wrong. Aegon thinks Azor Ahai will come from his line and literally throws the entire continent into war, gets thousands of people killed, and ends the Targaryen dynasty to steal away Lyanna and make his interpretation of the prophecy happen. He unknowingly creates the circumstances that DO allow the prophecy to be fulfilled, but not like he imagined. This fits with George's version of magic and prophecy being something powerful, dangerous and untameable that rarely works out how you intend.
>>217429037This is another one that's deeply unmysterious since George felt the need to specify that Jaime is slightly younger than her for no other possible reason.
>>217429058>He unknowingly creates the circumstances that DO allow the prophecy to be fulfilled, but not like he imagined.No he was totally aware of how the prophecy had to be fulfilled, and he did it. Absolutely none of his ludicrously self-destructive actions make sense unless you view it through that prism
>>217429022There’s still the gradual splicing in of random blacks everywhere in Westeros but I suppose that can’t be helped. At least I haven’t spotted any random Asians this time around.Though my autism will be sated if they don’t pretend Tanselle is dornish, and instead just play it off as her being from the summer isles.
>>217429141The Summer Isles basically doesn't exist in TV lore, completely forgotten even when it would provide them the diversity and handwaves they want
>>217429083george wants you to think he thinks you’re thinking it’s Tyrion but he knows you’re actually thinking it’s Jaimie, so he’ll subvert you by making the valonquar the armies of the houses of littlesister (the Valyrian word for brother is the same as sister or some shit)
>>217428988>House Codd >Lore rich You don't know what you're screeching about, are you? House Codd's words are "Though All Men Do Despise Us." That's why this is a House Codd board.
Is there such thing as too faithful /got/?
>>217429125We know that isn’t true because Rhaegar thought he would survive the duel with Robert
>>217429171It was retarded but at least during the GoT-era, they just pushed off their “diversity” onto Essos (which is more cosmopolitan, so less jarring to have varying ethnicities, even if the stock population was still supposed to look white / arab).How we ended up with black Xaro, black Sallador Sahn (guess they weren’t interest in a Valyrian-looking pirate), black Unsullied, black Missandei…
>>217429141Eh I'll take random black whores over "valyrian" house full of mop hairs
>>217429083I get the sense that you're supposed to think it's Jaime and he'll subvert you that it's not either of Cersei's siblings. But the thing I like about it is that it colored her relationship with Tyrion making her despise and mistrust him all her life.
>>217429242>Meh, it's only a towering angry giant out specifically for my blood
>>217429248I liked black Sallador better
>>217429242No, he knew he would die. Tempering in water = Ruby Ford
>wHaT iF rHaEnYs CaMe ThRoUgH tHe FlOoR oN a DrAgOn?!>wHaT iF rHaEnYrA aNd MySaRiA kIsSeD oUt Of NoWhErE?!>wHaT iF rHaEnYrA aNd AlLiCeNt MaDe Up AnD rAn OfF tO eSsOs?!
>>217429248Like I get them cutting Chataya because lol bed wenching, but Xho was a surprise. Would have been a good fit to expand his role and have him hob knobbing with the Starks et al in Kings Landing as le friendly black man caught in schemes helping the newbie fish out of water. And there's your big black role.Also Grey Worm's actor was fucking shit, Missandei's ageing up didn't really work but at least she was fit
>>217429221Her argument is dunk is too good of a person and she’d rather he be an edgy antihero child killer like daemon so she can goon to it. Fuck her. Fucking whore
how long until the episode
>>217429293retard
>>217429221>ColliderYou might as well be posting IGN reviews.
>>217429293Rhaegar to Jaime before the battle of the trident >When this battle is done, I mean to call a council. Changes will be made. I meant to do It long ago but... Well it does no good to speak of roads not taken. We shall talk when we return."
>>217429315In another timeline she took the wrong bus one day and didn't get this job, and the fine actors and production crew hired for the show got a good writer instead.
>>217429349
>>217429293He obviously did not think he would die and he obviously had no idea Dany was actually Avor Ahai. There's nothing in the books to indicate either of these things.
>>217428851It’s this btw. This anon got it right in case you were still wondering
>>217429396so actually like a 3
>>217428418Is that from HOTD? I don't remember that scene at all. And why the fuck does he have two eyes?
>>217429361Do you think every character is telling the truth 100% of the time? Why would Rhaegar tell Jaime he intends to die at the Trident?
>>217429293I thought in the theory, “tempering in water” was Lyanna’s pussy juices (because “stabbing her” is Rhaegar penetrating her).
>>217429437Why the fuck tell him anything if he knew it didn't matter?
>>217429361While I don't doubt this conversation took place hasn't George stated that it isn't uncommon for characters misremembere stuff that happened in the past?
It's clear, now, that the Valonqor was Q'tehlla since he abstained from the Ghisnak in front of the Woodland Lords of Cairns. If it was Tyrion or Fenster then Asshore Asshigh would have appeared early in the fishtank and not upon the firmament.
>>217429474No, Lyanna is Nissa Nissa and Rhaegar drove his sword into her heart.
>>217429375What scene was this?
>>217429083>no possible reasonAside from the whole valonqar thing, Cersei being technically Tywin’s eldest child feeds into her frustration with her womanhood, because she knows that she would be the heir of Casterly Rock if she were a man. And Cersei identity issues are a central part of her character.
>>217423714Did someone say "Dunk"?
>>217429501They were in the same room together and he needed to make some small talk? Rhaegar would be talking with his entire court and all the Targaryen loyalists, he would need to keep up appearances
>>217429474Lightbringer is the red comet. Tempering in the water = hammer of the waters meteor Tempering in lion = meteor impact of the second moon (which the ancients called the lion of night) Nissa nissa was the meteor impact of moat cailin which sank the neck
>>2174293445.5 hours
>>217423714I think Dunk+Egg looks better than Hotd but if theres no dragons or magic or royal family schemes is it still /got/
>>217428717Azor Ahai in the literal sense doesn’t exist and the ASOIAF prophecies never come true the way characters expect them to. Dany is also blatantly foreshadowed to become a tyrant all the way through the books, especially ADWD. Timely reminder that the very first political act we ever see her do — the very first time she decides she wants power— she persuades Drogo to enslave and sell the peaceful Lhazarene people so she could get the ships for her invasion of the continent she has never been to and knows nothing about.
>>217429420Yeah it was in daemons retarded weirwood vision, where he also sees the white walkers and khaleesi
>>217429589This was debunked.
>>217429602Rhaegar thought initially he was the Prince that was Promised, then he thought it was his sonLightbringer = Jon SnowTempering in water = Ruby FordTempering in lion = death of baby Aegon Nissa Nissa = Lyanna Stark
HEARTBREAKING
>>217425753It's canonically that several lords that could have swung the rebellion in Blackfyre's favor refused to support him because he was openly bisexual, and the Faith Of The Seven hates 'buggery' so even if he had won he wouldn't have been able to maintain legitimacy.
>>217429696How do they pull of portraying a female so well?
>>217429721Do you mean demon ii?
>>217429684Every interpretation of the Azor reborn prophecy requires a huge stretch other than it just obviously being Dany, who meets every qualification literally and requires absolutely no stretches of interpretation. She literally sacrifices her husband in a ritual to wake dragons from stone and create a weapon of fire that can defeat the darkness. She is reborn beneath a bleeding star to become a queen.
I don't care if it'll eventually turn to shite, I'm excited to go back to Westeros.
Ser Pepe of House Fourchin at your service, /tv/
>>217429766Whatever dude
>>217423714When does S01E01 drop?
>>2174298205.25 hours
>>217429022>You can say that he's lucky in the way that he gets to adapt a fully fleshed out Gurm work, something we haven't had since the first half of thrones.The problem is what I fear is going to happen after the first three seasons are done and they get into the Dunk & Eggs George only wrote outlines for and likely won't ever finish writing. When you give HBO wiggle room to add new shit, they usually fuck it up.
>>217429766Yeah that is true. The twist isn’t dany is azor ahai. The twist is Azor ahai is the bad guy, and is killed by the last hero
>>217429759They simply identified strongly with the role of a loving feminine mother, for some strange, unknown reason.
>>217429820
>>217428492>>217428861based and terrorpilled
>>217429770you're the reason for slop
>>217429764Yeah. >>217429766>requires absolutely no stretches of interpretationThis is a recurring theme in Westeros. For better or worse. The Mystery Knight is all about how interpretations of prophecy can be stretched and altered depending on the bias of the interpreter.
>>217429058The quote below should be posted before every discussion about how so and so is totally gonna become Azor Ahai/Last Hero/Savior of All Mankind/whatever because muh signs and muh prophecy. GRRM has outright told us nothing good ever comes from it.>“Born amidst salt and smoke, beneath a bleeding star. I know the prophecy." Marwyn turned his head and spat a gob of red phlegm onto the floor. "Not that I would trust it. Gorghan of Old Ghis once wrote that a prophecy is like a treacherous woman. She takes your member in her mouth, and you moan with the pleasure of it and think, how sweet, how fine, how good this is . . . and then her teeth snap shut and your moans turn to screams. That is the nature of prophecy, said Gorghan. Prophecy will bite your prick off every time.”Also, he repeats the warning in ADWD.>"Prophecy is like a half-trained mule," he complained to Jorah Mormont. "It looks as though it might be useful, but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head.”
>>217429820>>217429879
>>217429839I’m quite bullish on future Dunk and Egg adaptations without any source material, unlike Fire and Blood where they are cliff notes, these are relatively self-contained novellas. The equivalent of one two and a half hour film, or six half hour episodes. George will just be able to give them the skeleton (if it’s this guy apparently he sticks extremely closely to whatever George gives) and it will be fine.
>>217429879>>217429912it seemed to me an obvious solution to this problem was Dunc get adopted by the old law and as his (adoptive) son marry the lady thus fixing the rift
>>217429759method acting. they apparently stayed in character as female the whole time they were shooting the series.
>>217429659>Azor Ahai in the literal sense doesn’t exist and the ASOIAF prophecies never come true the way characters expect them to"Prophecy is like a mule. Occassionally useful, but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head." - Tyrion Lannister,
>>217429696>>217429873I find it somewhat hilarious (and telling) that when presented with an actual main character who is a fat woman who aged poorly, which you would think is an opportunity to be very progressive, they said "nah" and cast a conventionally pretty slim girl.
>>217429759it's the mystery of the dance
>>217429901Like the foreshadowed saviour who will fulfil the prophecy and save everyone dying fifteen years before the story even begins? Having to plunge the realm into a civil war, having to have his family get brutally murdered, having to be remembered as a complete dunce? Hmmm that seems very George…
>>217423714Does anyone actually like the hedge knight more than Sworn Sword or Mystery Knight?
>>217430009cheeks
>>217430009Women dont bathe like that
>>217425262Bloodraven is GRRM's Leto II: the guy who saw what was necessary and knew the cost to himself, yet did it anyways to save humanity yet everybody still hates him.
>>217430048Book 1>2>3>
>>217425262
>>217429913There's also the fact that Dunk & Eggs friendship canonically ends in a tragic falling out with both of them dead. Egg becomes king and tries to be a good king, but can't be one because the lords hate him giving the peasants new rights and lowering taxes. So he decides to conduct a black magic ritual to revive a dragons egg people theorize he attempted to sacrifice Jon Snows grandmother and unborn father in the ritual and ends with both of them burning alive at summerhall.You think they'll have the balls to adapt the last Dunk & Egg story?
Anyone ever watch this?
>>217430111Yeah I think so
>>217429999>save everyone dying fifteen years before the story even beginsIdk man. Dany seems pretty doomed to madness and tyranny, and Jon’s heroic moment will be killing her, not the walkers, followed by exile and lonely cold death. Bran is in the best position to save the world right now, rhaegar and his brood won’t really have anything to do with it
>>217426566>Tanselle Too Black
>>217430111>canonically endswith 3 out of 7 books being finished lol
>>217426649Finding a competent tailor.
>>217430087It's a recurring theme in ASOIF that heroes make sacrifices for the greater good, and end up getting screwed over and demonized for it, and their sacrifices ultimately being pointless. >Jaimie kills the mad king to save a bunch of peasants from being burned alive.>He ends up demonized for betraying his lord because Westerosi culture hates traitors>In the show Kings Landing ends up burned down anyways so his sacrifice was pointless.
>>217426305>So what are the expectations, is this gonna be good?Gurm says so.
My Irish heritage and family castle marks me as House Wode.
>>217430227>>Jaimie kills the mad king to save a bunch of peasants from being burned alive.Is that why he did it? Or because his father wanted it done?
>>217430183Well, my speculation is that Jon will refuse the throne, because all he wanted to be was a Stark not a Targaryen king, and he will give the throne to his closest kinsman because there’s no other Targaryen pretender. He will go into exile to the only place where he felt he belonged. I sort of thought Bran would become king like in the show and rule as some weirwood king from the God’s Eye, but the iron throne will survive so I think it will play out like this.
>>217430252micks are clearly from the three sisters
>>217429879>>217429912
>>217430252I would want to be a Hightower
>>217430420I'd be a Tackleberry.
>>217430200The Tragedy of Summerhall is talked about all the time in the books, and it's where Ser Duncan is said to have died while attempting to rescue survivors in The Book of Brothers.
>>217430416
>>217430124I've seen clips.
>>217430469>talked aboutso cool bro, is there a book about it? no? oh well
>>217430009
>>217430124I did, it's alright, pretty basic.
>>217430513It's said in the books and the supporting material that both Dunk and Egg died at Summerhall because Egg went crazy and tried to resurrect a dragon, because some lords just couldn't stand the smallfolk actually having rights. That's how the story of two best friends ends. Dunk manages to die a hero saving lives and being the knight others only wish they could be, while Egg dies disgraced.
>>217430124Guy costumes all look dirt cheap but the women's dont look bad
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>>217429221The book is very narration heavy. It's told from Dunks point of view and is full of his inner monologue. It's not easy to adapt that.
>>217430275I don't think George gets enough shit for obviously retconning Jaime's entire character and motivation in Storm when we start to get his POV chapters. His new arc is obviously much better and by where we are in the story he's now one of the best characters, but I think all of that could have still been accomplished without giving shitty benevolent post-hoc justifications for all the evil shit he'd done.
>>217430607yeah yeah, and Martin never misdirects, guess we'll see when the last D&E book never comes out
>>217430742>he's now one of the best charactersRight. Because we should totally hope the incestuous attempted child murderer gets a redemption arc.
>>217430833>people who have done bad things should only be villains forever
>>217430833it's a fictional story, not a moral fable
>>217430833George gave daemon one and he’s 1000x worse. Jaime actually deserves one
>>217430833He's getting one whether you like it or not, the point of contention is whether he should have pretended he was actually secretly a good guy the whole time and was bigly misunderstood or just allowed him to be a narcissistic shithead who is forced by circumstance to be a better person
>>217430863>>217430864There are some things where once you've crossed that line, it doesn't matter how moral you try to be. It doesn't make up for it. Not that George seems to believe that. I mean why not give Ramsay Bolton a redemption arc while we're at it? He only raped a woman with dogs.
>>217430863>everyone is redeemableNo.
>>217430923No one said that. Some people are, some people aren't.
>>217430904Saying he was secretly a good guy because he killed Aerys for a good reason and concealed it (which still broke his oath) doesn't seem accurate, he's still an arrogant unscrupulous twat before starting to get better. Aerys was considered the height of his crimes because of his broken oath, but it's far from the worst thing he did in realty.
>>217430864>not a moral fableThe whole reason George can't finish the story is because he wants the story to have some sort of greater moral that fits with his morals as a boomer and a leftist. He just doesn't have the stomach to write the ending that's consistent with his morals because he knows it would destroy his legacy as a fantasy writer.
>>217430918>I mean why not give Ramsay Bolton a redemption arc while we're at it? He only raped a woman with dogs.I'm sure a good writer could do that. Read the Broken Empire trilogy if you want to see someone try that and judge for yourself, moralfaggotry is boring
>>217430923I feel like the books already subverted this by giving us Cersei chapters in Feast, setting up the expectation that she was also going to be more morally complicated like Jaime was, and then actually revealing that she's significantly worse than anyone would've thought.
>>217430918Jaime literally has a twin whom is doubling and tripling down on being a villain in the same books he's finding his way toward redemption.
>>217430979>The whole reason George can't finish the story is because he wants the story to have some sort of greater moral that fits with his morals as a boomer and a leftistYou made this up in your head
>>217430995>actually, Cersei is stupid and likely insaneGood twist frankly
>>217430979maybe, but more likely he doesn't finish them because fat fuck, what I do find funny is that for all the subtle subaltern speaks themes throughout the series he then decides to do a series on the....magical warrior dragon lord kings, really dodged the cliche there to focus on the biggest guys lol
>>217431037>women are womensuch a good twist you kick yourself for not seeing beforehand
>>217430742From book 1 he has always genuinely loved Tyrion and been kind to Tyrion and his kids, he always had that one redeeming quality even if he was a total dickhead otherwise.
>>217425105there's also the fact the Starks repeatedly marry Blackwood women, not something you'd do with some enemy you hated so much you exiled them
I hope they retcon it so the brute of bracken kills Quentin Blackwood at the tourney of whitewalls instead of some other tourney so we get to see it on screen
>>217431372At this point they should just let /tv/ write the shows.
>>217425060>>217425262>supposedly trying to help against the Others>does nothing but shout random words via a ravenI'm convinced he's either aiding them or is a puppet of the 3 eyed crow which is working for the white walkers. Dude could send coldhands or a child of the forest to explain everything decades ago, instead he jerks off in his tree>>217426885Baratheons, Tullys, and Tyrells only hold their positions due to Targs in the first place so they have little choice. Westerlands and Iron Islands would get gangbanged if they left. Starks and Arryns should have declared independence long ago because they can't be conquered without dragons, only reason they didn't is GRRM being a hack>>217428717this comes from Aemon, the boomer retard who didn't put together Jon's origins despite being around him for over a year. And he was half insane and dying of fever when he started shouting about Dany being the savior. Inbred Targ shits don't matter, Stark blood is needed
>>217428287lollmaohe told dnd the ending of the series. gurm is a mark with no ability to judge character.
>>217431453>this comes from AemonIt comes from reading the fucking books>Inbred Targ shits don't matter, Stark blood is needed"The Song of Ice and Fire" thing was a Rhaegar flourish, it's not actually part of the prophecy.
>>217430863he's still a villain doing everything in his power to prop up the Lannister regime. If he actually wanted redemption he'd take up his role as lord of Casterly Rock, pull his support for Cersei, and admit his kids are bastards. Then he'd help restore the Tullys and Starks and bring over Danydude is a fraud, his conversation with the blackfish shows that when he refuses to become a hostage again despite failing his vow to Catelyn
>>217431583>If he actually wanted redemption he'd take up his role as lord of Casterly Rock, pull his support for Cersei, and admit his kids are bastards. Then he'd help restore the Tullys and Starks and bring over Danyoh my god it's an actual retarded person
>>217431583negative IQ post, impressive
>>217431531>It comes from reading the fucking booksyeah, it's Aemon rambling to Sam as he's dying and trying to cope that his family isn't a bunch of inbred fuckups who destroyed the realm for no reason. Targ shits want to justify all their insanity by claiming it was necessary to save the world, meanwhile the Starks already beat the white walkers the first time without dragons or the Wall
>>217431583>Then he'd help restore the Tullys and Starks and bring over Dany
>>217431637Aemon figuring it out is irrelevant, only a tard wouldn't be able to figure it out from her circumstances matching the prophecy perfectly.
>>217431614>>217431633>has the power to fix all his wrongs>chooses to do nothing and stay as a kingsguard for the regime that destroyed the realm only to cling to the power they have no right towhat level of cope are you on to deny this? Jaime is currently working with Freys to ensure they get their reward for betraying the Starks. He's done absolutely nothing towards redeeming himself
>Ellaria and the Sand Snakes kill Doran while all his guards just stand there >Snakes murder their cousin and absolutely love it>Davos acts like Jon is the most important person in the world despite knowing him for 2 days >Alliser Thorne acts like a retard despite shown being incredibly competent >Brienne ends season 5 abandoning her post to kill Stannis for revenge but saves Sansa anyway making her plotline and character pointless This is the first episode of season 6. This garbage. This isn't a gradual decline to 8. This is shit.
>>217431583Jaime is a complicated character who, while wanting redemption, still cares deeply about his family.
>>217424223I don't know about /tv/, but Egg is certainly theirs.
>>217423714Why is Egg such a cutie patootie?
Despite our differences, im glad we all agree that Stannis Baratheon is the one TRUE king of westeros and that King Stannis did NOTHING wrong.
>>217431838>King Stannis did NOTHING wrong.Except, ya know, burning his daughter alive.
>>217431583>um, AKSHULLY, you should condemn your children
>>217431838Joffrey was the anointed king so Stannis is just a claimant
>>217431838>Stannis did NOTHING wrongDidn't he attack Kings Landing in the most obvious place instead of stopping a bit down the shore and laying seige from the land and sea?
>>217431752I don't want you to feel like the rest of your post wasn't stupid just because I'm not going to do a post-by-post rebuttal, but condemning his kids to likely terrible death by outing them as bastards of incest when they're absolutely innocent of any wrongdoing themselves is just giga stupid.
>>217431787>>217431852the smartest thing he could do to keep his children and family alive is admit the truth so they don't die trying to keep the throne. But that would require Jaime actually swallowing his pride and going against Cersei>>217431838he spent months jerking off on Dragonstone seething about Ned being named Hand, instead of notifying him about Cersei's kids so they could work together to inform Robert
>>217431859Joffrey was a bastard and an abomination.
>>217431879Stannis only lost because Tywin broke away from Roose and force marched all the way to KL AND was joined by the Reachmen.
>>217431808Made for deep blackwood holes.
>>217431897>but condemning his kids to likely terrible death by outing them as bastards of incestwith Joffrey dead none of the other houses are going to demand the deaths of innocent children used a pawns to claim a throne, they aren't Lannisters after all. Renounce their claim, give wronged families a bunch of gold, support Dany, then hide in Casterly Rock and they would survive it long term. Cersei would lose her head in this deal though, which is why Jaime refuses to go with the actual honorable pathfor all the people claiming Jaime is somehow on a redemption arc, what is a single thing he's actually done to right his wrongs? Sending Brienne on a hopeless task to make himself feel better?
>>217432012Wrong. Stannis lost because he abandoned the true gods of the seven to worship a foreigners fire demon
>>217431637The Daynes defeated the Others. They have a magic sword called Dawn. When the Others were defeated the Long Night ended and brought about the Dawn. Their Knights that wield it are known as the “Sword of the Morning” Also they came from the Great Empire of the Dawn.
>>217432082The night is dark and full of titties.
>>217432073Yeah totally Dany is going to ally with the guy who murdered her father
>The Village Hero (2026)>The She-Wolves of Winterfell (2026)>Blood and Fire (2026)>The Winds of Winter Volume I (2027)>The Winds of Winter Volume II (2027)We’re so back
>>217432148>he trusts the fat man
any streams?
>>217432130>>217432130>can't refute the argument>can't provide a single instance of Jaime doing anything to "redeem" himselfnice cope, Jaime definitely can't be expected to make any sacrifices to keep his family safe. He couldn't explain the situation, offer to take the Black, or let Dany kill him in return for showing mercy to his family
>>217432268You’re position is that >He should declare his kids bastards>Hope the new monarch doesn’t kill them to absolutely secure their rule>Bunker down in Casterly Rock>Restore and give a shit ton of gold to revengeful families who want the Lannisters dead>Support the daughter of the guy he murdered who also has three dragons>She shows the Lannisters (who sacked King’s Landing and murdered her family) clemency because Jaime “explains the situation”??
>>217432362And also unless you do ALL of that, he is not a better person than he was.
>>217432211Yeah, thanks.
>>217432009Based anon.
>>217432009Still the anointed king.
>>217432362as opposed to certain death facing young griff, Dany, and the North/Riverlands when they start looking for revenge and to take the throne? Jaime's only option(if he cared about redemption, justice, and all that shit) is to admit his crimes, help the new ruler as much as possible to earn favor, bend over to whatever demands they make, and hope they show mercy. The origin of this was whether Jaime has actually done anything towards redeeming himself, which is now clear that he hasn't because you won't address the point. He hasn't taken a single action that goes against lannister interests
>>217427275>>217427456Are these the main theories about what happened at Summerhall on places like reddit and specialized forums ?
>>217432504I’m not the other anon you were speaking to, my position is that Jaime while seeking redemption is a complicated guy, filled with contradictions like anyone else. He is loyal to his family and doesn’t want harm to come to them. Kevan was stabilising things in King’s Landing, the Boltons and Freys appeared to have a lock on the North/Riverlands, Lannisters were absolutely not facing complete destruction
>>217432082The faith of The Seven is literally the only religion in the entire ASOIF saga that is actually 100% false and bullshit. Which isn't surprising considering GRR Martin grew up in a strict abusive Catholic household before he became an Atheist.
>>217432522NTA but what other explanation do you propose? Egg was clearly frustrated that his reforms were being blocked and there isn’t really another explanation for the fire
>>217432568>>217432568>>217432568
>>217432577>He doesn’t know
>>217432522Essentially, yeah. Egg was smart, and pragmatic. He (probably correctly) came to believe he needed noble/royal blood for a big blood magic sacrifice/ritual to hatch the dormant dragon eggs that they possessed.Again, he was pragmatic, and knew that with dragons the Targaryen’s would be able to continue maintaining control and peace in Westeros.Most theories aren’t that he goes crazy, it’s that he believes the ends justify the means and does what needs to be done for the realm. Only for a literal white knight to ruin it, making the sacrifice meaningless and dooming thousands to wars and famines. Of course the other point of view is that the plebs like Dunk generally probably think dragons are evil and with them around someone is going to torch a bunch of people with them.
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>>217432148Those two Dunk and Egg books are the only things we’re getting before he croaks
>>217430607It is said in lore books that Egg tried to resurrect dragons at Summerhall to impose reforms on the lords and that both he and Dunk died in an ensuing mishap. There is nothing about Egg trying to sacrifice his family or Dunk turning against him. That bit seems to be fan theories to I must admit it's coherent about what what we know of dragon eggs
>>217432148Where do you get that info from ? Or did you just made it up ?
>>217433078GRRM told me
>>217429522Daemon dreaming about his mom. i think it was one of the hallucinations in season 2.
