"We're All In This Together" editionPrevious: >>217410267
fuck offt. shranbae
>>217425097I recommend you don't make a bunch of "sore loser" threads. They'll only be considered spam, then you'll go on vacation. Don't do that to yourself. I say that because I care about you deeply.
Star Trek sex with Shran
>>217425222TNG "Conspiracy."
so what was wrong with the OP image?
Based janny nukes the tranny cartoon OP image. This is an acceptable compromise.>>217425239Trolling. By your own admission.
>>217425263It wasn't even remotely trolling, nor am I. I'm just trying to share my Lower Decks fandom. After several lackluster Star Trek series, they finally made one that hits.
>>217425282>I'm just trying to share my Lower Decks fandomWhen the show is so aggressively bad, pretending to like can be considered trollingIt's as if someone pretended to like Velma and /co/, except that place actually bans trolls
>>217425315You can hardly call it "aggressifvely bad" when it beats both VOY and TOS on Rotten Tomatoes.
>>217425355To be fair, an actual rotten tomato is better than VOY
>>217425355Now show the real rating
>>217425389lol
As much as I consider Elves to be superior, they aren't the only good guys in Star Trek
>>217425355>>217425389>>217425414and Star Trek Picard is better than The Original Series, The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine! I mean just look at the rotten tomato score!!!!!!!!
>>217425464We're data driven. Even if the data contradicts our veefee feefees biases.
>>217425417That doesn't look like Star Trek.
What ever happened to Valley Forge?
>>217425473I too defer to paid journalists. It's the Star Trek way. Engayge!
>>217425475Appearances can be deceiving. Lower Drecks looks like TNG but it's a generic adult animated lesbian romcom.Prodigy might look like The Clone Wars but it's the Trekkiest Star Trek has ever Trekked since 2005.
>>217425263holy fuck I love this janny
>>217425498Go back to /co/, tranny.
>>217425355Enterprise mogs Discovery so much, it's not even funny
Discovery was a mistake. Rather than making it, Paramount should have doubled the budget for Strange New Worlds.
>>217425498based>217425505cringe
>Alexander Hilary Kurtzman (born September 7, 1973) is an American filmmaker. He is best known for co-writing the scripts to Transformers (2007), Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009), Star Trek (2009), Star Trek Into Darkness (2013), and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) with his writing and producing partner Roberto Orci, and directing and co-writing The Mummy (2017). He made his directorial debut with People Like Us (2012), co-written alongside Orci and Jody Lambert.Jesus wept
>my lane: stayed in>my outcomes: visualized and manifested >my grindset: sigma hustle>my swagger: infinite>my chicken: origami
Why did she do it?She did she spy on the Japs?
>>217425593>Tik>Tok>Space>PromBRUTAL
>>217425639ORIGAMI CHICKEN JOCKEY
Anybody ever notice this stunt guy knocking himself out?
>janny deleting cartoon OPs and sanitizing the schizo's threads for usHoly based. Alright, I forgive the janny all his trespasses for this one.
>>217425690Come on down to ACK, we got>Dal from Prodigy but more obnoxious>My Mrs Incredible footfag fanfic>WALL-E Crusher the photonic wunderkind>literal draconic Malfoy>Jemima'Hadar>Nig Totoro >Pig Notaro>Operabot 2000>Gayless the Quite Forgettable >World's Worst BetazoidsAll we need now is a masked quirk chungus to be our Magic Pixie Breen Girl
>>217425489immediately banned upon using the IRC to contact the janissaries to try and get this troll dealt with
Well, I'm off to watch "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", just to remind myself why I hate it so much. Wish me luck!
State of the watchalong?
>>217426369Quite petite
>>217426369>>217426405with most exquisite
>>217426369star trek sex on de beach with da watchalong
I calculated the ROI of Star Trek movies. I took budget and box office (USD) figures from Wikipedia and used this formula:ROI = (Box Office − Budget) / BudgetGrouped by era.TOS (Original Series films)Star Trek: The Motion PictureBudget: $44MBox office: $139MROI: ~216%Profitable, but expensive for its time.Star Trek II: The Wrath of KhanBudget: $12MBox office: $97MROI: ~708%Massive hit; best ROI in the franchise.Star Trek III: The Search for SpockBudget: $16MBox office: $87MROI: ~444%Very strong return.Star Trek IV: The Voyage HomeBudget: ~$23M (midpoint of $21–25M)Box office: $133MROI: ~478%One of the most profitable Trek films.Star Trek V: The Final FrontierBudget: $33MBox office: $63MROI: ~91%Underperformed; borderline failure.Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered CountryBudget: $30MBox office: $96.8MROI: ~223%Solid comeback.TOS summary:Low budgets and huge ROI. Only Star Trek V seriously underperformed.TNG (Next Generation films)Star Trek: GenerationsBudget: $35MBox office: $118MROI: ~237%Strong financial start.Star Trek: First ContactBudget: $45MBox office: $146MROI: ~224%Financially successful and well received.Star Trek: InsurrectionBudget: $70MBox office: $118MROI: ~69%Disappointing return.Star Trek: NemesisBudget: $60MBox office: $67.3MROI: ~12%Clear flop; did not break even.TNG summary:Early success followed by sharp decline. Nemesis effectively ended the TNG movie era.
>>217426295>why I hate it so muchBecause you are low IQ
Kelvin TimelineStar Trek (2009)Budget: $150MBox office: $385.7MROI: ~157%Modest success; barely profitable by blockbuster standards.Star Trek Into DarknessBudget: ~$187.5M (midpoint of $185–190M)Box office: $467.4MROI: ~149%Essentially break-even after marketing.Star Trek BeyondBudget: $185MBox office: $343.5MROI: ~86%Financial flop.Kelvin summary:Despite high box office totals, massive budgets and marketing costs killed profitability. One modest success, one break-even film, and one flop - not sustainable as theatrical blockbusters.Overall conclusionMost profitable era: TOS films (especially Wrath of Khan and Voyage Home)Most consistent success: Early TNGBiggest failure: NemesisModern problem: Star Trek does not scale well to $180M+ budgetsThis is why the franchise ultimately shifted away from theaters toward streaming and TV.
>>217425639my moments: teachable
>>217426745Thanks chat gpt, so you are retarded, got it
>>217425355The fact that Picard is the highest-rated show on here is all you need to know to tell these numbers are meaningless. Also a good reminder that ENT is like kryptonite to nutrek shills, ENT is what we like to call "Chad Trek"
>>217425878>My Mrs Incredible footfag fanficI just now realized why her voice sounded so familiar
>>217427078ENT has always been shit. You're like the Star Wars prequel revisionists.
>>217427078This episode, specifically, is so great
>>217427152NTA and I get your point and I get the comparison, but no. Two completely different things. The prequels were always shit. I think SOME aspects of the prequels have aged well with hindsight, only because blockbuster movies have only gotten worse and worse since then and the prequels at least had some interesting and redeeming qualities that are worthy of looking back on and appreciating. But the dogshit story and lazy static camera is inexcusably bad. So no - ENT was disliked at the time but looking back the hate was not as warranted as it deserved. It's like the Wind Waker; at the time everyone wanted their realistic edgy Zelda and when nintendo gave us something different everyone foamed at the mouth. But while it sat in the cellar for the last twenty years people have been able to come back to it and appreciate it
>>217427152>>217427336Enterprise might not be as good as TNG and DS9, but it's not as bad as SW prequels or nuTrek
ENT is not particularly good, however...When you compare it to the last 10 years of star trek it is much easier to appreciate that it was not made with malicious intent. It's an honest attempt that failed, (mostly not completely)
>>217427494How did it fail, have you even tried watching it? Sorry they didn't just remake carpet trek for the 4th fucking time in the early 00s. Times changed, expectations changed, and they wanted to take the series away from the same time period. I'm convinced people who call ENT "mostly bad" just wanted another DS9 or VOY and get butthurt that CBS tried something new
>>217427078The funny thing about Picard's critical ratings is that the first two seasons got the pity buff that STD and Academy are getting right now, so they weren't completely panned despite being terrible.But then those same critics, for season 3, had to go>FINALLY, they're giving us what we want!>Star Trek is back! for the nostalgia memberberries after they had just been apologists for retarded Kurtzman subversion shit the previous seasons.Just goes to show how authentic movie/tv criticism from major outlets is these days.
>>217427576Bad writing but mostly just bad ideasThe entire treatment of the Vulcans was ridiculous. All of the retcons were ridiculous really, and just unnecessary.Cogenitor is one of the worst Star Trek episodes of all time. Maybe THE worst and right after it? The fucking Borg episode, kek. The entire 9/11 storyline is dated as fuck and just seems out of place.S4 has its moments but is insanely rushed and the Federation just sort of... happens and you can tell they ran out of time.Also THE WORST FINALE EVER in which Trip is killed for no good reason, Fat Riker pause-rapes T'Pol, and the entire thing is just a holodeck recreation which leaves the door open for some kind of "it was all a dream..." backdoor so they can escape from all of the bad decisions they had made on the show, if they ever decided to do another one.Rick Berman as an executive producer and gatekeeper to Star Trek = greatRick Berman as a major creative force on a show and one of its primary writers = absolute DOGSHIT
why was the op image destroyed?
>>217427813because janny loves us
>>217427152filtered
>>217427813it was scat
>>217427813Teleporter malfunction
>>217427336Enterprise just feels like one of the dime a dozen sci-fi shows of the time when people were riding off the sci-fi trend. It's not Star Trek.
>>217427790I am throwing out the entire second half of your response because even ENTchads fucking hate the finale. I will agree about Rick Berman being a better gatekeeper than a keymaster, but he still did his due dilligence for the most part.The Vulcans were great, the retcons were not egregious. Did they need to explain klingon appearances? No, but Divergence is still a good episode. And I actually liked the Trip and T'Pol development because it was a slow burn. Perhaps foolish because eventually they needed to find a way to remedy it as Spock comes later. But who cares. Setting a series BEFORE the Original Series was ballsy—and it could have been a lot worse. And the 2-parter episode In a Mirror, Darkly is awesome, it doesn't feel too forced down your throat with memberberries and serves as a great homage to TOS.The show got put on the chopping block and they had to do what they could with their remaining time. Perhaps it is a whataboutism to say>erm but ENT *COULD* have been good if they got to show the Romulan War and the founding of the Federationbut in this case I think that is fine to say, as they certainly found their stride by S3/4Maybe ENT should have been set 100 years after TNG. But we got what we got and while it was disliked at the time I think it did what it needed to in terms of what Star Trek is supposed to be. I think unfortunately, by the time of the early 00s Trek was waning from the public zeitgeist and it would have been hard to make any type of show that lived up to the type of hype TNG/DS9/VOY had at its peak
>>217427725It really is pathetic how low the bar has become
>>217428125
>>217427790Firefly and Star Trek Enterprise are great examples of how to fuck up your finale. If you are going to go that route you need to do it like Halo Reach and prepare your audience for the misery. Not blindside them with your plot armor crumbling to dust with an offensive rugpull
>>217428124You stand relieved.
>>217428178Pot calling the kettle klingon
>>217428125>he Vulcans were great, the retcons were not egregiousFuck off. Soval's actor can't keep the emotion out of his voice from the pilot on and he never improves. And then when you get to the Surak storyline, the head of the Vulcan High Command is a secret Romulan who rants and raves and literally SCREAMS IN ANGER and he's surrounded by Vulcans who are so fucking witless and retarded that none of them even grow suspicious about the guy?Look, it's one thing to do a spy storyline but you don't make your spy infiltrating Nazi Germany become HITLER HIMSELF and nobody knows it. He's not a fucking Changeling, he's a Romulan.The whole story sucks. Portraying the peaceful Vulcan race as a bunch of paranoid McCarthy-era Cold Warriors was fucking retarded and sucked.Doing a prequel fucking SUCKED because they couldn't prevent themselves from 'touching the sides' to use an Operation board game reference. They kept bumping into canon and having to retcon things.The Klingon retcon is fucking retarded and unasked for. Nobody cared how Klingons started looking different because we're all adults who understand it was budgetary reasons, simple as that. DS9 handled it in a much more tasteful way, recognizing that fact.Oh and look it's fucking Brent Spiner again playing a fucking Soong character who looks identical to all the other Soong charactersENT fucking sucks, man. It's still Star Trek but it sucks. It is the first and ONLY bad Star Trek show that I recognize as Trek.
In the good timeline, Star Trek would have taken the Andromeda plot hook of being transported into the future for a show made instead of Enterprise.
>>217428201listen you don't understand there was an episode where the 2 women fight in skimpy uniforms so the show is good and I like T'Pol's boobs so the show is good
>>217428125I thought your post made sense and was in good spirit, and you were undeserving of being called a retard
>>217428191Get off my bridge Admiral.
>>217428188what was wrong with firefly's finale? wasn't it that bounty hunter getting spaced, or am I forgetting? or did you mean the movie where multiple characters got killed off because of studio contract reasons
>>217428270The movie, I meant. I watched the whole show/movie way back when I was in middle school so my expectations were way different than they are today, but I remember being so fascinated with the revelation of the Reavers. But the way the movie ends? I wanted to throw my remote into the TV
>>217428201>It is the first and ONLY bad Star Trek show that I recognize as Trek.Does that mean you think voy is good? It's more good than ENT, it has a handful of top quality trek eps. Mediocre overall is how I'd describe it. Still obliterates new trek too tbf
>>217428191Here's the top ten shows on P+ right now>Landman>Spongebob>South Park>NCIS >Everybody Loves Raymond You read that right. Not some legacy sequel. The 30 year old sitcom>Ghosts>Survivor>King of Queens Also not a legacy sequel>Neighborhood>Blue BloodsSA isn't even in the top twenty but TNG is.
>>217428309>Does that mean you think voy is good?Bite your tongue. You are DISMISSED from the Shadow Situation Room.
>>217428201Whats the matter VOYBOY, afraid of a little plot development?
>>217428313Damn you, anon.
>>217425315Correct and based>>217427382Also based
>>217428343I didn't mean to quote you. My browser is acting funny today.
>>217428297ah yeah, that makes sense. it seemed like it was shock value just for the sake of shock value, like a prototype for the worst aspects of game of thrones and also because tudyk and the priest's actor both didn't want to sign a bad contract to appear in a potential sequel that didn't happen, so their characters were killed off to explain why they wouldn't be in it iirc
>>217428323You're dismissed, ensign.
Soval was great and I resent the implication that he wasn't. He's peak slightly-less-enlightened Vulcan.
>>217427813MODS=GODS
If you dismiss any more crew we won't be operational.
>>217428454let's not get ahead of ourselves, something good happened once out of like 500 horrible times
>>217428562it actually happened twice because they deleted the shitpost OP image of the last thread too
>>217428734Come now, Major.
>>217428309Yes. VOY is far superior to ENT because it has more decent episodes and isn't at all serialized.ENT on the other hand is heavily serialized at times and doesn't have nearly as many good episodes.If ENT had more Carbon Creeks and less Cogenitors, it might be better than VOY.
ENT has no interesting characters except some side characters sometimes but the main crew is dull as fuck
>>217428313>SA isn't even in the top twenty but TNG is!!! So, you're broke to the point of just straight up lying again. Damned tragic.Paramount+ Top TV shows for the 17th. Paramount own data. Starfleet Academy was #2 on the 15th.
PAYBACKS A BITCH
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