This movie made no sense. Why do people even like it?
You're a brainlet.
inb4 20 people come in here to mention how they fapped to the lesbians
>>217428400It's really not that complicated. The blonde is an actress who was in love with the brunette. Brunette was much more successful than the blonde and married a successful director. Out of jealousy and and envy for her success the blonde hired a hitman to kill the brunette.The first half of the movie is the blonde making up fantasies about what could have been instead if the hitman botched his job instead. She constructs an elaborate narrative of suspense and organized crime in an attempt to take away her own agency from what happened. But halfway through the movie reality seeps in, at the theatre scene "silencio, no hay banda".Then you see reality of what happened, her true situation without alter egos, and she kills herself out of guilt and shame because she is not able to escape the reality and the guilt of her action of having been responsible for murder of her lover.
Brainlet
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>>217428447OP didn't deserve that thorough explanation.
It's a collection of unrelated scenes with no plan for a failed tv pilot with an added "it was all a dream lol" ending. If you think it's anything more than that you're a retarded pseud hth.
>>217428437actually i fapped to her fapping
>>217428792>it's a retard gets second hand info and misinterprets it episode
The dialogue is weak, and the performances were lame.
>>217428400I fapped to her
>>217428838You don't need "good" dialogue or "good" performances to make a good movie.
>>217428447I have not seen this movie but this reminds me of going online to see what the hell I just watched with Lost Highway. With the sole exception being The Straight Story, Lynch movies are told in an obtuse way by design and some folks don't dig that vibe.
>>217428400>Why do people even like it?It's kino>This movie made no sense.It's not supposed to. Or not in that way. It's abstract art in film form. It's vibes. Trying to figure out what it 'means' is a fool's errand and the sign of a pleb who doesn't understand art in the first place.
>>217429124It does make sense though
>>217428792That's the process, not the result
>>217429124abstract art is still always of something.
The whole thing is the dream of a woman ODing on sleeping medication. It makes less and less sense as she falls deeper into REM dreaming.
I will never understand on why mulholland drive is so much more popular than lost highway.
>>217429718No. The retard-proof explanation has already been provided.
I like it because my favorite /tv/ youtuber told me I should like it.
>>217428400Dude, I agree. Fuck this stupid movie. Pseuds love saying this is good to look smart even though they had to read a Leddit post to understand it.
>>217428400>made no senseand that's a good thing
>>217429621It makes sense in the way that a rorschach test makes sense. Almost any meaning you extract from it is projection. (That's not a criticism of the film. Pretty much the opposite. The film's a masterpiece because of the way it somehow speaks to so many people despite that)The people who claim that it's a simple straight forward story where the first half is a dream are the worst. It's not a puzzle to be solved. If that story makes sense to you and makes it resonate in a way you enjoy, that's great. But that's not the objective truth of the film because there is none. And it would take 5 minutes of googling the film's production to realise this.>>217429698Sure. But its basis isn't reflected in a way that defines the piece. The only way we could ever know what this film 'means' would be if Lynch had come out and said so. And even then, art is separate from its author.In the same way no one regards Nude Descending a Staircase as erotic, pornographic or remotely sensual, this film is not a cohesive story telling you a straightforward tale.
>>217431016>It's not a puzzle to be solved>puts the clues to the puzzle at the back of the DVD Anon, you can pretend until the kingdom comes that movie gave you a ghost blowjob revelation that is uniquely yours and made you a better man and smarter than everyone else itt. Brass tacks are that the movie has a clear and cohesive meaning and interpretation. If you want to argue the former point, go watch Inland Empire, a movie that was filmed without a script. MD being a TV show that was reworked into a film doesn't suddenly remove the apprehensible meaning from it. Actually, it only highlights it, considering that in its structure the film is very similar to Lost Highway.
>>217431204>MD being a TV show that was reworked into a film doesn't suddenly remove the apprehensible meaning from itIt literally does because the first half was written to be a story that had almost no relation to the second half and the majority of 'crazy and 'zany' things in the film are just plotlines that were dropped because of this.>quotes on the back of the boxAre you really dumb enough to think that marketing is genuine? Do you know nothing about Lynch? If Lynch wanted you to 'figure it out', he would've done literally anything to help instead of just laughing at retards constantly trying.
>>217428792The context doesn't detract from the film, it enhances it
>>217431746The clues were provided by David Lynch, not the maketing people at the DVD company.
>>217431746From the 2005 revised edition of Lynch on Lynch:RODLEY: This also may be the first movie ever in which even the ad campaign-in the UK, at least-included clues to unlock the mystery of the film. Was it your idea to do that?LYNCH: No. Here’s the way that happened. The French distributor was part of Canal + and I’d talk to them more than I would talk to the American distributor, even though the movie came out in America first.So one day Pierre Edelman calls me and says, “David, we’re thinking about some sort of thing where we do ten clues to the meaning of Mulholland Dr.,“ and I said, “Pierre!” you know. [Laughs] “But just for the heck of it, let me think about it.”They had to be genuine clues, but they also had to be pretty obscure. So if you had a certain take on the movie, the clues would be obvious, and if you had another take on it, they’d make you think, and maybe you’d see it again in a different way. They said it kind of worked, so I guess that’s why they made their way to England. I’m against that kind of thing, but they were pretty abstract kinds of clues.
>>217428400i turned that shit off but read the wiki and saw there was a lesbian scene so I watched that and beat my meat to it desu senpai
>>217431746>It literally does because the first half was written to be a storyScripts can be rewritten. They are not commandments set in stone by the first draft magic. I will never understand this autistic clinging to the fact that it was a TV show, which somehow in turn means it means nothing.>Do you know nothing about Lynch?That he makes surrealist movies. You know, like Bunuel, who also made surrealist films and refused to ever explain the concrete interpretation of them. This doesn't mean that the guests are stuck in the room for no reason in The Exterminating Angel. So Angelopoulos. Who also refused to ever elaborate on where the fuck the kids arrived to in Landscape in the Mist.>Are you really dumb enough to think that marketing is genuine?>merely pretending to give clues and only the smart anon know to see through I already reiterated that you shoved the head into your ass and think that MD having a clear explanation for every scene is some kind of Great and Powerful Oz moment of looking behind the curation and dissipating the magic of the film and making you less smart by extension. Tough luck.
Do plotfags have some kind of brain damage? Or are they just genetically inferior?
>>217431746Q: Here’s something I was curious about: In one of the DVD editions of Mulholland Drive there was an insert that listed your clues to unlocking the movie. How much those clues will help you unlock the film (and what would it mean to unlock it, anyway?) probably has as much to do with your own interpretative imagination as it does the clues themselves. . Are those real clues?David Lynch: I’ll tell you how that came into being: When I went to Europe for the first time in 1965, it seemed way far away. It was a big deal to go to Europe. Now it’s not a big deal. The world has gotten smaller. So this thing happened that Mulholland Drive was a big success in France and I was asked if I could come up with these ten short clues to the movie. Normally I would’ve said no, but — and I don’t know why — I came up with things that people could think about when they watched it [Mulholland Drive]. But I thought the clues were only going to exist in France and then it blossomed on the internet — that’s what I mean about the world getting smaller — and people started asking me for more clues.Q: But those are real clues?David Lynch: They’re real.https://www.vulture.com/article/david-lynch-in-conversation.html
>>217431986Is that you running out of arguments? No, stalker child, Mulholland Drive having a palpable explanation to its narrative does not make the movie worse, Lynch a hack or your enjoyment of the film any less enviable. Sorry that you feel that way.
>>217431968>which somehow in turn means it means nothing.You're actually the worst kind of smoothbrain if that's what you've somehow interpreted from what I wrote.
>>217431204the clues only relate to the casting couch allegory where the film is about sexual abuse and the awful treatment of actresses was commonplace. the rest is just the 'Mulholland Drive effect' of you trying to figure out the plot as the impressionistic images/scenes force your brain to try to make sense of them. outside of the allegory it's not meant to make sense, there is no other puzzle to solve.
>>217432884When you are denying that there is an unambiguous explanation, settling "it's not supposed to make sense gawd, i'm so smart ITS TEH FEELZ, Lynch told me in a dream" then there is no meaning, since it can be anything and in turn remains nothing. Can't help but notice that you explicitly nitpicked that bit and ignored the rest of the post. Curious. >>217432898>the clues only relate to the casting couch allegory The key or Winkies man are not related to any sex for the role interpretation you might have. "You are looking for pattern bro" when last 20 minutes blatantly throw you into your face where all the dream projections came from is sure is an opinion. Keep it.
>>217433010>there is no meaning, since it can be anything and in turn remains nothingOh, so you're genuinely just a fucking retard? Thanks for confirming. Maybe stick to capeshit bud.
>>217433010>The key or Winkies man are not related to any sex for the role interpretation you might have.no, Camilla is the casting couch. Aunt Ruth and her friends are Hollywood golden age legends who endured the same abuse. Beth/Diane tries to make the casting couch work for her the way it did for Aunt Ruth but can't. Aunt Ruth's apartments are famous for appearing in tons of films as well.
>>217433096No argument at all? Not even going to address that the clues are from the mouth of Lynch? Go cope and seethe at the dreaded plotfags then, since we are somehow decreasing your enjoyment of the film.
>>217433150You're incapable of acknowledging anything outside of your preconceived notions so there's zero point in arguing with you. I don't get anything out of this other than the frustration of reading your retarded babble and knowing people like you exist in the world and are actively voicing your dumb opinions on cinema.
>>217433124>neither key and it's significance or the man behind the Winkies have anything to do with sexual explanation >but Aunt RuthWhere are you kicking the goalpost to?
>>217433217>You're incapable of acknowledging anything outside of your preconceived notions>The people who claim that it's a simple straight forward story where the first half is a dream are the worst.Okay, honey. Keep seething at them plot fags for ruining your "it's anything, stop talking about the plot" bit. They are worst. Still no argument tho?
>>217433258nigger you're the one who pivoted to unrelated things, i'm explaining to you why the casting couch metaphor is the "point" of MD and everything else is just window dressing
>>217428400It's the most comprehensible of Lynch's Hollywood trilogy; you're just a retard.
>>217429008I actually really like the way the movie was told. If you've had a heartbreak, falling out, etc. you can relate with the protagonist's coping. I unironically think this is one of the best revenge movies.
>>217428792The kino thing is nobody would ever guess it was just a fucking glorified extended cut of a TV pilot without researching its production.
>>217431204>having to decode all this bullshit to reveal an ordinary noir plot
>>217429799Lost Highway was pretty good, and had some memorable scenes. But I cannot think of a Hollywood film with a worse or more jarring use of its soundtrack. Lynch decided to play a fucking Rammstein track while a guy was merely walking around a house looking for the bathroom.
>>217433296The point is the crushed dream of Diana, who was used and thrown away, and then perilous ideas as to why it all transpired. It's you claiming that the clues are all related to your casting couch shit. And everything else is immaterial pattern seeking. I pointed out the clues that are specifically related to her ordering the hit on Camilla, and instead of explaining how those fit, you brought up Ruth out of nowhere. Walk the walk.
>>217433326no but there seems to be two styles of cinematography in the movie. a bland and flat one in the beginning, (probably the TV pilot parts) then it gets more polished and cinema-like towards the end.
>>217433337not an ordinary noir plot, though.
>>217432052wrong as always, stalker child. wait for the knock: enjoy the black lodge.
>>217433396Yes because apparently the TV pilot wrapped filming in March 1999 and the extended bits for the movie were shot in October 2000, so more than 18-months had elapsed between shoots. Plus David got even more money to shoot the extended bits than he did for the actual pilot, so maybe that's why it seems more polished.
>>217433337You do not need to decode anything. Anyone who has troubles grasping at the bare minimum order of events has simply started scrolling their phone at the last 20 minutes. You can't sperate the story and the way it has been told like some kind of coin you are fishing out of bucket of tar. The delirious wish fulfillment dream in an attempt to cope with hideous act of jealousy and being a failure is the story.
>>217428400>I don't understand why this movie with violently gorgeous women having hot naked sex is somehow liked by peopleniBBa u geh
Feels like I’m the only one with the courage to say this: Naomi Watts erect nipples are too long.
>>217433579have sex
>>217433362he was trying to attach the film to a particular zeitgeist and feeling that was in the air at the time. i think the usage of music was great. having Marilyn Manson appear both in the soundtrack and the film itself was apt i think given the album Antichrist Superstar dealt with a lot of same themes and was part of that same cultural zeitgeist.
>>217433662That part takes me out of the movie though. stunt casting too much on the nose.
>>217433700i don't think it was stunt casting given Manson isn't even in the film for a minute. he embodies a particular cultural context because he was such a famous figure for the time, the reasons he was famous are the context for his appearance. porn star, rock star, they're all disposable in the end.
I'm tired of /tv/ pretending lynch is some kind of 500 iq cinematic genius.
>>217433773well go to bed
I always thought Camilla was just "the Hollywood system" and that she's not a real person; that Diane is not really Diane, but a representation of her idealistic naive dreams (even in the final half hour of the movie); that the romantic relationship between Diane and Camilla is a symbol for Diane's desire and lust for for stardom and success; that initially Diane arrived in Hollywood with naive ambitions (which we see manifest in the dream) but ended up used and jaded and beat up by the Hollywood system and that when she kills herself at the end, it's just Diane's naivete dying. The real Diane is the neighbour lady.
>>217428400You watched the wrong movie, lol. You are supposed to watch Mullholand Drive, not Mullholand Dr.
>>217433589I will, but not with a girl whose nipples are that long.
>>217433773he's not a genius he just seems that way to 80 iq retards who are used to marvel movies where the characters constantly explain the plot to the audience as everything is happening>>217434119Camilla is the casting couch, the embodiment of male sexual desire. Diane isn't really a lesbian, when she "has sex" with Camilla she's really fucking a Hollywood producer. Camilla is just the sexy glamorized ideal of the casting couch, what it offers a prospective young actress.
