>the plot
I wanna challenge anyone reading this to explain to me what is the plot of this movie. Can you? Because even after watching it I dont understand. Palpatine sends his goons to the planet to force the queen to sign a treaty for some unknown reason. I dont think they actually tell you what he plans on achieving with that. This all of course is a master plan because he knows the queen will gtfo and go to the republic to nominate him for president of the republic of whatever. This is supposed to be a kids movie btw. 90% of the scenes in this movie are characters making a plan, and then executing a plan, and most of the time the plan just goes fine. Fucking ridiculous. Sometimes there are moments that are just
>characters making a plan
>transition to evil side
>2 lines of dialogue about what theyre doing
>another transition back to main characters
Amateur level of filmmaking. Oh and all the transitions are photosop shit that a kid would make, impossible to take seriously.
Every character is a dumbass. Why does liam neeson bring a kid to a war zone? Why do the jedi refuse to train the kid? Its not like it actually matters, liam just says "yeah i dont care I'll train him anyway". He is just allowed to do that? How is a 7 year old kid better at space fighting than trained robots? I guess this is the least of all problems because its just generic main character shit, but keep in mind this is supposed to be a complex and serious movie about war and politics. Why the fuck is Obi-Wan barely in this movie? Why does he have to stay in the ship doing nothing, instead of tagging along and getting more characterization (god knows we need this since every character is a soulless robot in this film). This all is just from the top of my head but I'm sure I could come up with more but its not worth it. I'm actually offended that there are people out there defending this, and from what I've heard, the other two prequels are just as bad. Fuck this. 3/10

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It is a bit rough around the edges, but you also got filtered. My advice is to continue with Episode II and then follow that one up with reading Darth Plagueis (it's reasonably short).

>>217429783
don't act like the sound design in the movie isn't really fucking top tier. just LISTEN to the podrace and all the stuff going on.

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>>217429802
>I wanna challenge anyone reading this to explain to me what is the plot of this movie.
george lucas became very rich which made him mad about paying taxes and republicans

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If you start watching star wars you must do it chronological (this is what Filioni says)

Start with the Acolyte, Andor is optional

>>217430561
That's the shit canon. Here's a proper one:

>Tales of the Jedi (Dark Horse Comics)
>Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
>Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
>The Phantom Menace
>Darth Plagueis
>Attack of the Clones
>Republic (Dark Horse Comics)
>Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003)
>Star Wars: Republic Commando
>Revenge of the Sith
>A New Hope
>The Empire Strikes Back
>Return of the Jedi
>Heir to the Empire
>Dark Force Rising
>The Last Command
>Dark Empire (Dark Horse Comics)
>Crimson Empire (Dark Horse Comics)
>Legacy (Dark Horse Comics)

>>217429783
>>the acting
I agree Natalie Portman is awful but Ian McDiarmid and Ewan MacGregor are good.

>>217429783
>I haven't watched star wars and want to get into it
>so I'll start with the worst one and Idgaf what you say lmao
Ok mate.

>>217430791
>Ian McDiarmid and Ewan MacGregor are good
Neeson too. Lloyd and Hersh suck.

>>217429783
Let it go Mike, we get that the story was too complicated for you to understand and you have no attention span

>>217429783
>>you should start with the OGs before the prequels
>no and i dont care. lets start with this one. first the good:
I will be surprised if you even make it to episode IV.

>>217430791
Neeson is good, McGregor is barely in the movie.

>>217429783
>I'm a retard starting with the bad trilogy and not starting with episodd 4
Holy shit nigga you could have saved yourself trouble by watching them in order of release.

>>217430401
guh guh GUH GUH GUH GUH GUH guh guh guh....

>>217430724
Shadows of the Empire should be canon.

>>217429783
Idiot, the reason you start with the original ones is because those are the good ones.

>>217430868
I only included things that hold up presentation-wise.

Chronological order is correct order.

>>217430325
Plagueis can be read directly after Episode I.

>>217429802
Just a friendly reminder of all the plot problems of the Phantom Menace.
>The trade federation blockading a small planet of no worth to protest the taxation of their trade routes makes no sense. Especially when they have many other alternative solutions at their disposal.
>There is no visual evidence that the blockade negatively impacts naboo.
>It is never explained why Sidious has so much sway over the TF apart from vague notions of fear.
>Qui-gon and company somehow travel through the Planet's core via a submarine.
>The TF land on the other side of the planet despite having the capability of landing their troops outside the Captiol city.
>Gunray has Amidala sent for processing instead of keeping her secure within the palace. Gunray doesn't even have her escorted by droidekas.
>The TF somehow expect a treaty signed under duress to be legally binding.
>R2D2 being the queen's astromech is a huge contrivance.
>The TF attempt to destroy the ship holding the one person they require to sign their treaty. No fighters are scrambled to Intercept.
>Jar Jar is brought along to Mos Espa despite being a huge liability that makes our group conspicuous.
>Qui-gon's plan to obtain a Nubian Hyperdrive is completely convoluted and takes up way too much time that he admittedly doesn't have.
>Qui-gon has numerous other options to get off Tatoonie or obtain the Nubian hyperdrive and uses none of them.
>C-3PO is built by Anakin. Another major contrivance in order to reintroduce a character from the OT.
>Midichlorians create a number of issues logistically while also removing the mysticism of the Force.
>There is no visual indication Naboo is suffering under the TF occupation.
>No one is aware of the Queen's location but the Queen's advisor is somehow able to send a message to her ship even though the TF is still jamming transmissions.
>Maul is somehow able to locate the Queen to Tatoonie without leads.
>The Jedi Council believes a 9 year old is too old to be trained.

>>217430936
cont.
>The TF has enough pull in the senate to prevent aid to Naboo but not enough to prevent tax increases.
>The queen and company are able to break through the blockade to land back on Naboo with no issue. They are able to land without the TF tracking them down.
>Sidious/Palpatine still pushes to have the TF capture the queen to sign the treaty despite having changed his plans and no longer requiring the TF any longer now that he is chancellor.
>Qui-gon brings a 9 year old to a warzone instead of leaving him with the Jedi Council or Gungans in the Swamp.
>Boss Nass makes Jar Jar a general despite knowing his propensity to cause trouble because he "made peace with the Naboo" the complete opposite of what a combat general is needed for.
>The queen's guard doesn't immediately start shooting at Maul when he shows up unarmed in the hanger.
>Anakin somehow destroys the TF control ship with no combat/flight experience and by complete luck.
>Maul allows Obi-wan to jump over him without even attempting to swipe at him. This is after letting Obi-wan dangle off the ledge without using the force to push him into the chasm.
>The Jedi Council allow Obi-wan to train Anakin despite having nothing but dangerous premonitions regarding the subject.

>>217429802
This is the post where I know you're fucking lying. You had no previous knowledge of SW but
>Palpatine sends his goons
Most people watching, unless they saw the originals, did not pick up that Darth Sidious/ Paplatine are the same guy. I'm done reading your thread.

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>>217429783
This is all you need.

>>217430969
>Most people watching, unless they saw the originals, did not pick up that Darth Sidious/ Paplatine are the same guy.
Are you actually retarded? They look exactly the same.

>>217430969
This is fucking bullshit and you know but even then, like i said, I know most of the plot points like everyone does.
Its common knowledge that hes the villain, so of fucking course hes the mysterious nigga covered in a hood.

>>217431114
Disgustingly pedestrian. Why not at least be honest and remove the Prequels entirely, pseudwit.

The only movies worth watching are Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. The rest is mid to shit tier only worth watching if the first two really gave you the craving to learn more about that universe.

>>217430325
>>217430724
The best SW content is the Darth Vader trilogy
>Labyrinth of Evil
>Episode III Novelization
>Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader

>>217431151
Furthermore yes I know these 3 are the bad ones and should be watched later. I dont care, I dont wanna watch the first 3 and go "well i guess I gotta watch all the trash thats left" because I would just give up. Defending these movies are embarassing

>>217431171
>Episode III Novelization
No.

>>217429783
the correct order is andor season 1 then 2 > rogue one > 4 > 5 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 6

>>217431219
Andor and Rogue one are garbage. Stop defending that slop.

>>217431189
>Defending these movies are embarassing
You are a brainlet pleb. Please stop watching. You're unworthy of such kino.

>>217431239
they are not you're just a fag

>>217431123
I'm not retarded; I knew. Watch a random youtuber react to TPM and even most of them who watched RotJ first don't figure it out.

>>217431197
yeah

>>217431151
No dude, you're full of shit and you know it. You've seen them all and you're larping. Practically plagiarizing RLM to make a thread.

>>217431166
Empres Strikes Back is bad, and you should skip it.

>>217431252
Rogue One was a piece of shit with a cast of boring lame ass characters that is only like by retards that get a nostalgia trio watching it. These same retards will shit of TFA for doing this despite Rogue One doing the same fucking thing. Some fucking space battle doesn't mean jack shit when the rest of the film is a boring ass slog.

>>217431151
Never fucking reply to me again.

>>217429783
I saw it as a kid after seeing the re-released special editions of the original trilogy in 98 or 97 in theaters for the first time.

I remember it being so hype, I was eating/drinking all of the pepsi cans and lays and doritos bags that had darth maul on them. Then when I actually saw it in the theaters it I was mostly disappointed. The acting is what it is, I hate it when movie franchises start shoe horning kids as main characters, jar jar binks, the CGI is fine, I don't care about pod racing, and there's just the one good chasing/fight sequence against darth maul.

Didn't bother seeing the next two sequels in theaters, in fact I didn't see them until a few years ago after I had caught up with the modern sequels and rogue one.

The original series is where it's at, everyone has their own opinion about the prequels and sequels and TV series and spin-off movies and everything else.

>>217431298
damn you really are gay

>>217431345
>says the brain dead retard that likes nostalgia baiting slop

>>217431345
12 year old are not known for their brains.

>>217430936
>>217430958
oh hey, it's you the stupid plothole nigger i btfo last week! how ya doing buddy? still malding that i disproved literally all of these to be nothing more than your petty bickering and useless nitpicking at a children's film? to be honest i was a little upset you didn't list your complaints about revenge of the sith, but then again i like to think that by the time you had finished your rant about clones you realized what nonsense you were spitting out!

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Even if Phantom Menace was directed better it'd still suck for someone who hasn't seen the originals because it's meant to be seen after the originals since it's full of "ooh it's him" moments.

>>217431345
Rogue One is chopped shit, dude. Entire first half of the flick is nigh-unwatchable dogshit because of the reshoot debacle behind the scenes. And the other anon is right about the characters being bland turds.

>>217429783
Star Wars is just bland soap opera. You are not missing much if you watch it.

>>217431398
You didn't btfo jack shit retard. Half your rebuttals were nonsensical at best. Wasn't worth even replying once I had to put my kid to bed.

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>>217429783
>Phantom Menace
probably the only one you can skip and not really miss out on anything important
there's a reason 1 gets so much shit around here and irl
andor > rogue > new hope > empire > return
then go watch 2 and 3 if you really need to know the backstory
like other anon said maybe you can shoehorn them in between empire and return but idk i'd just as soon watch them afterwards
andor haters don't reply i won't read

>>217431442
oof the cope is strong with this one lmao

>>217429802

Palpy wants more power in the Senate. He tells the Trade Fed to do something 100% illegal knowing that it's the perfect scenario to demonstrate how useless the current government is and insert himself as the guy that will actually do something to solve the problem. In the movie he explicitly states how he expected the Queen to sign the treaty, but it really doesn't matter to his plan. The obviously illegal scenario is already set up and playing out, but now he gets to use the Queen as an active pawn in his own game. Palpy probably would have called the vote of no confidence himself, but now he gets someone else to do it so he can appear less power hungry and more humble.

His plan is super simple and relies on people that he already has power over. He's also just a really good improvisor that reacts to changes very well.

>Why do the jedi refuse to train the kid?

This is explicitly stated in the movie. They think he's too old and has attachments that could lead to the dark side.

>liam just says "yeah i dont care I'll train him anyway". He is just allowed to do that?

He's not, but he's ready to leave the order. His whole thing is that he doesn't follow the counsel dogmatically. This is also explicitly stated in the movie.

>>217431570
You were ao fucking stupid that you thought Qui-gon had literally no other options to get off Tatoonie than to make a convuluted bet. Fuck off the only coping is you.

>>217431524
Andor is trash, dude. If you want to engage with its subject matter, why not watch a real movie/show about it instead of a sterilized Star Wars spin-off?

>>217431114
disgusting

>>217431634
some day you'll learn to listen to movie dialogue lmao
until then keep coping and seething like you already are!

>>217431634
Didn't Que-Con want to find out more about the kid who was into podracing?

>>217431399
but then when you watch the originals first you see haynden christisanson's force ghost with dead yoda and obi wan and you go "who's that?"

>>217431701
no, what anon fails to remember is that qui-gon wanted to keep a low profile to begin with, so he wasn't going to just waltz into the nearest cantina and start soliciting pilots for a ride, especially because the ship just needed repairs. it was a simple process, buy the necessary parts, replace them, continue the journey. he went out of his way to stay hidden by consulting with a local dealer rather than a chain brand store, which might have even accepted his republic credits, but there would be a possibility of recognition, so he didn't take that chance. then, through his encounters with watto and anakin, qui-gon learns that he can simply gamble and win what he needs to get out of dodge, and of course the rest is obvious, he learns of anakin's abilities and uses it to his advantage while still remaining inconspicuous. anon is just a malding retard is all.

>>217431698
Okay retard let's go through this
1. Watto could easily be lying about having the only nubian hyperdrive. It was literally the first shop the group went into and watto is a money grubbing toydarian that is using one of the oldest marketing tricks in the book, false scarcity.
2. Qui-gon could easily find passage with a pilot who goes to the inner rim because anyone that travels to the Republic has need of republic credits. Hell he only needs to bring Padme with him and leave everyone else behind to pick up later.
3. Let's pretend that Qui-gon couldn't find a pilot and Watto really was the only person with a Nubian Hyperdrive. What's stopping him from mind tricking another vendor into exchanging his republic credits for local currency then purchasing Watto's hyperdrive? It's not his conscience since he was already willing to mind trick watto. Hell since he was just willing to steal the part via mind trick why not just steal the part out right? No one knows where they are parked so Qui-gon could easily steal the part and the ship could be off the planet before local law enforcement even found them.
4. To also answer >>217431701 Anakin doesn't factor in for 2 reasons. Qui-gon only gives a shit about Anakin after being invited to his house ans Qui-gon has plenty of time to come back for Anakin since he's not going anywhere any time soon. The queen getting to Coruscant is his primary concern, he states as much.

>>217431903
No one is going to recognize Qui-gon as he's in disguise. The only thing that could give him away is if he did something retarded and took Jar Jar with him... oh wait. I forgot Qui-gon is retarded. Also see >>217432031 you dumb twat.

There's no main character and it's a kids movie with a plot involving a tax dispute. That's all you need to know to know how bad it is.

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>>217429783
>No one shows any emotion, everybody talks the same
This is how actors acted in the '50s. Lucas likes it. Star Wars under his watch is a very intentonally old-fashioned series despite the cutting edge technology.

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>>217429802
Watch the rest of the movies you impatient fuck, it'll all make sense later

>>217432158
>This is how actors acted in the '50s.
You've never watched a film made before 1977

>>217431398
You sound mad.

i just finished watching the other nicole portman film

>>217432031

1. Qui Gon COULD have walked to every potential vendor and just told them that he only has republic credits and is looking for a very specific hyperdrive, but that would mean potentially letting enemies know who he is. He decides to work the Watto angle because at least he knows that he has what they need, and now he just needs to figure out how to get it.

2. It isn't in Qui Gon's character to leave people behind, for any reason. He immediately takes Jar Jar under his wing and took Anakin with him back to Naboo rather than leave him on Coruscant.

3. This would mean he'd have to find someone who would make the currency conversion, something that might take way too long for his timeline. There isn't any guarantee that he could actually find this person. He also didn't want to steal the hyperdrive from Watto, he used the mind trick to make him accept Republic credits.

4. Qui Gon isn't just casually interested in Anakin as a jedi prospect, he actively thinks that he's the chosen one, or very likely to be the chosen one. It's already not in Qui Gon's character to leave anyone behind, but he's especially not leaving the potential chosen one behind on a backwater shithole.

>>217432071

Jar Jar being with them doesn't matter at all. Trade Fed doesn't give a fuck about Jar Jar and Tatooine is filled with silly and wierd looking aliens. Going around and openly stating you only have republic credits and need a high end hyperdrive is just asking to get found out.

>>217432092

>There's no main character and it's a kids movie with a plot involving a tax dispute. That's all you need to know to know how bad it is.

Yeah, it's called an ensemble cast.

The inciting incident being a tax dispute is pure window dressing that only factors into the opening crawl. The real reason the TF is on Naboo is stated explicitly in the movie, but for some people it's too much to just pay attention.

>>217432031
>watto could easily be lying
you're right, he could be. but qui-gon wasn't willing to take that chance unless he had to. don't forget that as soon as they left watto's shop, jar jar got into a scrap with sebulba and anakin stopped them from venturing out into the storm, so there was literally no time for them to even consider another vendor.
>qui-gon could easily find passage
again, the goal is to remain inconspicuous, you don't tell a pilot "hey me and my bitch need a ride" and then proceed to dump the entire royal entourage on top of it
plus they have their own ship you abysmal retard, they're not gonna just leave it sitting there when all it needs is a quick tune-up stupid faggot
>let's pretend
well i think it's pretty obvious that despite qui-gon being morally gray, there are some depths he won't sink to, and he probably didn't think of this idea, plus he still had to lug around jar jar and padme, it would be difficult to go from vendor to vendor to collect money and then go all the way back to watto without catching some attention
>anakin
you clearly forgot they were on a priority one mission and realistically qui-gon wouldn't just get to fuck off on a vacation to tatooine, he doesn't own his own ship
>>217432071
>No one is going to recognize Qui-gon as he's in disguise
anakin sees his lightsaber, watto recognizes his gestures, jar jar doesn't stand out as much as his own actions do
>>217432230
oh i'm only mad that the plothole nigger had his anal cavity so soundly blown apart that he refused to continue the friendly discussion and i had to wait a week to revisit prior meetings

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>>217432197
You weren't even alive when Clinton became president

>>217430724
i suggest you take this up with the Walt Disney Corporation

>>217429783
You're a retard. Every star wars fan agrees that 1-3 suck (aside from nostalgia factor because us 90s kiddies saw those first). You watch 4-6 first and enjoy 1-3 as an after party, mere fan service for world building. Even when you do a rewatch marathon, you do it in this order.

>>217432469
>Every star wars fan agrees that 1-3 suck (aside from nostalgia factor because us 90s kiddies saw those first)
there are far more prequel enjoyers than haters i assure you
also not all of us 90s kids started with them, some of us are old enough to have seen the originals first

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>>217432334
NTA but

>so there was literally no time for them to even consider another vendor

Uh, why? They were in the business district. They literally could have crossed the street to another shop.

>again, the goal is to remain inconspicuous

How is paying a smuggler republican credits for a ride conspicuous? Or at least less conspicuous than winning the podracing Grand Prix? You think that may have gotten some attention, dumbass?

>well i think it's pretty obvious that despite qui-gon being morally gray, there are some depths he won't sink to

How is stealing something worse than tricking them into accepting a worthless currency for it, exactly?

>you clearly forgot they were on a priority one mission

So what's that got to do with bringing a little kid along? The mission was so important right?

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>>217430325
>>217430724
>read and consume all this irrelevant cashgrab media just because
why are prequelfags like this? not even 40k fans are this bad when it comes to this kind of thing

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>>217429783
Absolutely fucking filtered, holy shit.

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>>217432498
Oh, and I forgot to mention: intend your fucking posts. Your blocks of text reek of newfag desperate to not "reddit space" which has never been a thing.

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>>217431166
>>217431294
incredibly based 1977 enjoyers
i do fuck with the kotor games tho.

>>217432330
>>217432334
1. You really think no one else on Tatoonie deals in republic credits? That's a retarded argument to make to keep Qui-gon from at least looking around. Hell he doesn't even necessarily have to ask for the specific part and just browse their hyper drives. Also Watto has dealings with the Hutts, you know the people that are consider one of the Queen's threats?

2. Qui-gon is pragmatic. He would certainly leave Anakin behind for a short duration and return to Tatoonie as soon as possible. Anakin is in no immediate danger under Watto's ownership.

3. He has time to help Anakin build a fucking Pod Racer and wait for a fucking race to occur. If he has that time he has the time to exchange the credits either willingly or by force via Mind Trick. Also yes using a mind trick to make someone accept currency they can't use is theft you dumb fucker.

4. Qui-gon can fucking wait to get Anakin and only even comes up with the idea that he may be the Chosen one by accident because Anakin asks him to stay at his house during a sandstorm. He has no reason to believe he can't come back for Anakin when he has more time and resources to do so. And you know maybe even free Shimi

>Jar Jar being there doesn't matter
Having a species specifically from the planet under blockade isn't a problem but asking around for different hardware stores is? I'm sorry but at least have some form of consistency with your thought process.

>>217431114
Rogue One is so fucking good after Andor. It makes way more sense.

>>217432498
>business district
watto told them he guaranteed to be the only vendor with the nubian drive, so checking others out would be a waste of time
>paying a smuggler
again, you need a sizable ship and a pilot willing to take a political refugee, and when you're trying to remain low-key and not go around announcing yourself, you don't go looking for external help, and again THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SHIP YOU DUMB NIGGER WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY HITCH A RIDE IF ALL THEY NEED IS REPLACE ONE STUPID FUCKING HYPERDRIVE HOW FUCKING DENSE CAN YOU GET YOU ILLITERATE RETARD
>jedi mind trick
as we learned with jabba and watto, mind tricks are not always guaranteed to work on alien races, qui-gon would just spend all fucking day waving his hand around at every merchant? no fuck off with this insipid bullshit
>anakin
you're just a jackass that didn't even watch the movie at this point lmao fuck off and die already if you aren't going to at least pay attention to the movie, once again anakin is highly force sensitive and qui-gon thinks he could be the chosen one, he isn't just gonna ditch the kid you stupid fuckwit
>>217432525
>muh reddit spacing
lmao kill yourself faggot

>>217431114
new disney shill tactic?

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>>217432493
Most of that enjoyment is ironic, let's be honest here.
What people do genuinely like is all the adjacent media like the cartoon and the videogames. It's a cool setting, but the actual films are such a slog. Fuck that shit.

>>217432540
- tatooine isn't part of the republic system, it's a hutt planet, hence "republic credits are no good here"
- qui-gon sensed anakin had a higher purpose and made it his immediate side objective to attain anakin's freedom
- again, qui-gon has to go find a vendor he can trick and then magically replace 20,000 space bucks with a local equivalent. not guaranteed in the slightest bit to work.
- see #2 above
- see #1 above
- kys

>>217432707
>tatooine isn't part of the republic system, it's a hutt planet, hence "republic credits are no good here"
People venture to Tatooine from the republic all the time. Those individuals have use of republic credits.
>again, qui-gon has to go find a vendor he can trick and then magically replace 20,000 space bucks with a local equivalent. not guaranteed in the slightest bit to work.
You really think it's hard to find one weak minded fool to do that with? For fuck sake Qui-gon wouldn't have bothered if this was the case.
Accept you were blown the fuck out.

Coincidentally I just got done watching Phantom Menace several hours ago, after having not seen it in two entire decades. Almost forgot everything about it.
I enjoyed it, it's a fine film. It has that grand "Star Wars magic" that the Disney stuff lacks in my opinion.
Darth Maul and Obi-Wan are both extremely underused in this one. I don't hate Jar Jar and I find him amusing, but there's just too much of him when he's quite possibly the least relevant character in the long term.
The acting is really stiff but it makes sense for Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. They are supposed to be stoic Jedi Knights.

How did Quigon get the hyperdrive to the ship? Does it fit in his pocket?

>>217432654
>watto told them he guaranteed to be the only vendor with the nubian drive, so checking others out would be a waste of time
He's lying
>again, you need a sizable ship and a pilot willing to take a political refugee,
He only needs a small ship to take him and Amidala who he can just claim is his Daughter dumbass.
>would just spend all fucking day waving his hand around at every merchant
He could easily see who's a dumbass without waving his hand first
>Ditch anakin
Coming to pick him up later isn't ditching you stupid autist.

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>>217432793
watch the deleted scenes

>>217432330
What's it like getting BTFO on a single plot hole loser?

>>217432654
>watto told them he guaranteed to be the only vendor with the nubian drive, so checking others out would be a waste of time

1) He was lying. 2) Even if he weren't they could have exchanged currencies.

>again, you need a sizable ship and a pilot

Which a smuggler could provide.

>you're trying to remain low-key and not go around announcing yourself

They didn't have to announce themselves to find transport with a smuggler, they just needed to pay one with the money they already had. No questions asked.

>THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SHIP

The queen's ship. Didn't you just say they were trying to be inconspicuous?

>jedi mind trick

When did I say anything about that? I asked how stealing is somehow worse than tricking someone into accepting a worthless currency. If Qui-gon will do the latter why not the former? It's theft either way.

>you're just a jackass that didn't even watch the movie

I saw it when I was 10 and hated it then.

>once again anakin is highly force sensitive and qui-gon thinks he could be the chosen one

So instead of taking him into an active warzone and risking his life he should have left him safely behind with his mother and rather benevolent master until someone from the Jedi temple could pick him up.

>muh reddit spacing

Yes, you are. Indent your posts.

>>217430936
>>The trade federation blockading a small planet of no worth to protest the taxation of their trade routes makes no sense. Especially when they have many other alternative solutions at their disposal.
Because the blockade was meant to disguise the actual purpose of it being an invasion and Palpatine needed the sympathy from it being his home planet so he could manipulate Amidala towards pushing for the vote of no confidence against Valorum and get the nomination for Chancellor himself. It's not supposed to make sense to anyone on the outside. Even Qui-Gon specifically comments, "There is no logic in the Trade Federation's move here". I'm not even reading the rest of your post if you're gonna be this retarded right off the bat.

>>217429783
Youre a fucking retard

>>217432919
It should at least make sense to the TF who are supplying literally all the materials to do so. The TF have all the leverage, Palpatine does not. That's the problem. You're telling me the TF would rather spend trillions blockading a random planet rather than just lobbying the Senate or raising their prices to make up for the taxes?

>>217432775
>Those individuals have use of republic credits.
you don't know that at all, perhaps they go through the local exchange, which given that tatooine is in hutt territory is more than likely
>You really think it's hard to find one weak minded fool to do that with?
and you're just ignoring reality kek. qui-gon found a vendor with what he needs, and is unlikely to find it elsewhere, so finding a way to deal with watto is his best bet rather than searching for a local millionaire to swap some cash out. imagine thinking people just casually have 20 grand floating around that can be exchanged equally to a different currency. dumb nigger never took an economics class in your life.
>>217432824
- if watto was lying, qui-gon would have sensed it and went to approach another dealer
- he has to take the fucking queen you actual retard, and she isn't gonna take off without her posse, nor will qui-gon leave obi-wan or jar jar behind, you really don't fucking think at all
- oh yeah let's stand around and wait to see who's the retard (hint: you)
- and if this was the method they took, darth maul would have gone to tatooine and killed everyone aboard the ship while qui-gon and padme were fucking in the backseat of another pilot's starship

you guys really try hard but ultimately are just idiots with nothing better to do, fortunately i also have nothing better to do which is why i take pride in countering your retardation with my autism

>>217432824

>He's lying
Not guaranteed to be the case, and working the Watto angle is still more efficient than going to every vendor. By the time that the sandstorm settles and Qui Gon even COULD see others, he already wants to free Anakin, which means making a deal with Watto regardless. Watch the movie.
>He only needs a small ship to take him and Amidala who he can just claim is his Daughter dumbass.
Again, by the time he could even try to do this he's also trying to free Anakin, which means dealing with Watto. Watch the movie.
>He could easily see who's a dumbass without waving his hand first
See above
>Coming to pick him up later isn't ditching you stupid autist.
If Qui Gon comes back later there isn't a guarantee that he can even free Anakin in the first place. Qui Gon isn't thinking that Anakin is some kid, but potentially the chosen one. This is too important for the Jedi and the fate of the galaxy to not take him ASAP.

>>217432919

People love watching this movie, not paying attention, and then getting mad at the movie even though it's extremely explicit about shit like this.

>>217432895
>Even if he weren't they could have exchanged currencies.
"REPUBLIC CREDITS ARE NO GOOD HERE" YOU STUPID FAGGOT
THAT MEANS NOBODY IS GOING TO TAKE IT
THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF EXCHANGE
YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST FAGGOT ON THIS ENTIRE WEBSITE AND I'VE UNIRONICALLY VISITED /a/

THERE IS NO SMUGGLER OPTION
THERE IS NO MIND TRICK OPTION
YOU ARE AN ACTUAL RETARD WITH AN IQ OF 4 AT BEST
I WILL DOUBLE SPACE WHEN I FUCKING FEEL LIKE IT YOU FAGGOT NIGGER REDDITOR KEK

>>217432972
read the opening crawl, stupid.

>>217433003
>you don't know that at all,
There is a fucking huge Podrace that Republic citizens have to go to the outer rim to see. That alone proves there should he some republic credits going around.
> if watto was lying, qui-gon would have sensed it and went to approach another dealer
He never states this.
- he has to take the fucking queen you actual retard, and she isn't gonna take off without her posse, nor will qui-gon leave obi-wan or jar jar behind, you really don't fucking think at all
You're now making shit up. She literally left all of her people behind to get aid from the senate, she'd be pragmatic and do the same if it meant getting to Coruscant.
- and if this was the method they took, darth maul would have gone to tatooine and killed everyone aboard the ship while qui-gon and padme were fucking in the backseat of another pilot's starship
They have no idea Maul is tracking them, Obi-wan could stay behind as protection, and it's a calculated risk. Fuck off dumbass

>you guys really try hard but ultimately are just idiots with nothing better to do, fortunately i also have nothing better to do which is why i take pride in countering your retardation with my autism
You've been getting blasted the fuck out by mutliple anons on this one plot point. You keep losing the argument yet keep going. The only retard here is you.

>>217433070
>read the opening crawl, stupid.
The crawl never mentions dick bubkis about how the Blockade in anyway gives the TF leverage on tax reformation. Get fucked loser.

>>217431298
Based take.

>>217433081
>republic credits
see my rage post above yours
>he never states this
because watto isn't lying you fucking idiot, i was making a hypothetical. you're the one making shit up to excuse your pea brain for not catching a simple line of dialogue meant to be taken as fact.
>the queen
oh i'm sorry she didn't take literally the entire fucking planet's population with her, jackass
>obi-wan could stay
he would have been killed too you fool, maul beat his ass on naboo

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>>217433157
>he would have been killed too you fool, maul beat his ass on naboo
Lmao. Okay no more need to argue with you retard.

>>217432705
The ps1 star wars games were kino.

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>>217433105
you're an illiterate bastard.

>>217433003
>you don't know that at all

Yeah we kind of do know that people on Tattooine deal with the Republic.

>imagine thinking people just casually have 20 grand floating around that can be exchanged equally to a different currency

They were in the business district. Offer a good exchange rate and any businessman will accept.

>if watto was lying, qui-gon would have sensed it

Since when are Jedi mind reading lie detectors? And again, why not just exchange their currency for the part? Why not steal it? He tried to do that anyway with his mind trick.

>he has to take the fucking queen

That's what he said.

>and she isn't gonna take off without her posse

How do you know? Not that it matters, what kind of smuggler couldn't accommodate a small group anyway? Cargo takes more room than a few people.

>oh yeah let's stand around and wait to see who's the retard

You seem to think they were terribly pressed for time but could have waited for the race like they did simultaneously. That's what we call an "inconsistency". George's bad writings are full of those too.

>>217432972

Watch the movie. TF is headed by cowards who are already enthralled by Palpatine. Everything they do in the movie is from a command from Palpatine. Nute Gunray was ready to pack it up and leave when two jedi show up. It is explicitly stated in the film that the TF's actions make no sense, but that's clearly because it's not even their idea, it's Palpatine's idea. He is using them to cause a political crisis in the Republic senate, once that is done, the rest doesn't matter to him.

>>217431298

Rogue One is proof of how shit the franchise has been handled. It's a competently made film, which by Disney SW standards means it's a fucking masterpiece apparently. The biggest and most reddit thing about the movie is that it explains a "plot hole" of the exhaust port, but it's not a plot hole and requires no explanation. Wanting the Empire to give a shit about a 2 meter hole on a moon sized station is retarded, it's like having a one inch sized hole on the biggest battleship ever and expecting people to give a fuck. Even if an anon magically got into the SW universe and directly told the Moffs that a Jedi could exploit it, they STILL wouldn't care because as far as they know, they wiped out the Jedi and wouldn't feel the need to plan against them.

>>217433214
So where does it say it? Because the only illiterate nigger here is you.

>>217433262
That's the point I'm making. The film should at least try to exain why the TF is trusting or even scared of Sidious. They have no reason to be scared of him. They don't know what the fuck sith are. They haven't been a thing for millenia. He doesn't work for the TF so he has no leverage.
>He said he can get the taxes removed
They have no reason to believe this

>>217433190
>using the deus ex bad writing bit
and you call me retarded kek
>>217433244
- we know that the hutts deal with the republic sure, but a local junk vendor? absolutely not
- you missed the part where qui-gon calls obi-wan to see if they have anything of value aboard the ship to meet the necessary demands, the answer is no
- "search your feelings, you will know it to be true" that's literally how the force works you dumb nigger, they can sense deception
>he tried to steal it
he tried to get watto to accept republic credits you buffoon, stop making shit up
>muh queen
again, go into a bar and tell a local pilot that you need to smuggle a big political refugee with the possibility of you being killed as a result, not gonna happen
>time
they're on tatooine for all of like 3 days dumbass. they also do this thing called making a plan, and sticking to it. most people do this btw. you should try it sometime.

>>217433266
THE TAXATION OF TRADE ROUTES TO OUTLYING STAR SYSTEMS IS IN DISPUTE
HOPING TO RESOLVE THE MATTER WITH A BLOCKADE OF DEADLY BATTLESHIPS, THE GREEDY TRADE FEDERATION HAS STOPPED ALL SHIPPING TO THE SMALL PLANET OF NABOO

IF YOU CAN'T ASCERTAIN THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION FROM THESE TWO SENTENCES YOU'RE A LOST FUCKING CAUSE IN THE REAL WORLD YOU INANE FAGGOT
PALPATINE CONTROLS THE FEDERATION AND FORCES THEM TO DEPLOY THE BLOCKADE
THIS IS ALL SPELLED OUT FOR YOU IN THE FIRST FIVE FUCKING MINUTES YOU INGRATE

>>217429783
>>217429802
>speedwatcher thinks his opinion matters
Maybe get grok to summarize it for you instead?

>>217433327
Oh so Obi-wan doesn't chop Maul in fucking half?
>gub buh Deus Ex Machina
Oh so you're willing to admit the film has narrative flaws when it benefits you. Very interesting.

Nigger just stop you keep losing but you still keep getting back up to get hit.

>>217433304
you're a dumb nigger. "I WILL MAKE IT LEGAL". meaning sidious has made the federation aware that he has pull in the senate. also "THESE FEDERATION TYPES ARE COWARDS" meaning sheev didn't have to work hard to get them under his thumb, also as i've mentioned with the opening crawl, TAXATION OF TRADE ROUTES and also GREEDY TRADE FEDERATION
maybe the word trade might give a clue away? this is literally lucas' version of the ferengi, in case you're a wandering trekkie

>>217429783
>>217429802

Most of the issues with the movie would be solved if it followed a more tighter plot revolving around a teenage Anakin

>intro scene is exposition with the situation in the galaxy (corruption, disagreement in the senate, jedi acting as reluctant enforcers), this scene ends up in a fuckup
>cut to Anakin on Tatooine where he goes through his mundane life of a slave
>the jedi from the intro scene show up and get involved in Anakin's situation
>through HIS perspective of someone that doesn't know what's going on in the galaxy he learns what the jedi are up to, what the situation is and he HELPS them.
>not only does this help establish him as a character and we get to hear what's going on as things are told to him, but AGENCY is given to Anakin to resolve the plot. without him they'd either be fucked or in a much worse spot
>he "saves the day", Jinn notices he is "strong in the force" and he is brought before the jedi masters to petition to be trained
>they refuse because plot reasons and instead Jinn takes him on
>final battle and Anakin turns out to be an ace pilot and Jinn dies
>Kenobi vows to train him

So basically more or less the same with the important difference is shifting the entire story to be more from Anakin's POV and he also is aged up so he can reasonably carry the events and the audience can identify with him more.
Also Kenobi should've been more of a Han type of character, a bit of a rebel and rogueish so it contrasts with his monk-like personality in the OT. That would also make the dynamic between Anakin and him have more energy

>>217433375
>THE TAXATION OF TRADE ROUTES TO OUTLYING STAR SYSTEMS IS IN DISPUTE
>HOPING TO RESOLVE THE MATTER WITH A BLOCKADE OF DEADLY BATTLESHIPS, THE GREEDY TRADE FEDERATION HAS STOPPED ALL SHIPPING TO THE SMALL PLANET OF NABOO
Hey anon, how does the blockade remove taxes? It doesn't does it?
The opening crawl could say Jar Jar took a massive dump on Amidala's chest and that made the Trade federation blockade the planet but that wouldn't be an adequete explanation in any way.

>>217433431
>I have pull in the senate
>how? We pay off tons of senators and never heard of you
>Ummm just trust me
>How about no....

>>217433327
>absolutely not

Why?

>you missed the part where qui-gon calls obi-wan to see if they have anything of value aboard the ship

Irrelevant. They had money they could have exchanged.

>they can sense deception

When does this happen?

>he tried to get watto to accept republic credits

Which Watto didn't take. That's theft.

>again, go into a bar and tell a local pilot that you need to smuggle a big political refugee

Why the fuck would they have to tell anyone who the queen was?

>they're on tatooine for all of like 3 days

And yet you are the one arguing that they wouldn't have even had the time to exchange currencies.

>they also do this thing called making a plan, and sticking to it

Their plan was convoluted and poorly written. They should have made a simpler plan like 1) exchanging their credits or 2) hiring a smuggler.

>>217433327
Why would Qui-gon need to tell a pilot Amidala was a political refugee and just say he's taking his daughter on a trip to visit the capitol?

>>217433405
so you're just conveniently ignoring the rest of the duel prior to that, where maul is easily dispatching obi-wan the entire fight, then manages to knock him down the reactor? based retard.
>>217433452
who said anything about removing taxes? quit making shit up, you look retarded when you do it.

It's hilarious how these fags will claim it's a children's movie then proceed to not be able to comprehend said children's movie.

The plot isn't even complicated and they can't fathom it.

>>217433499
He's going to argue that everyone would have recognized her despite her walking around everywhere and no one recognizing her.

>>217433468
THESE FEDERATION TYPES ARE COWARDS
>>217433485
- watto says it straight up, he doesn't accept republic credits, stupid fuck
- they didn't have the money they needed, tatooine doesn't use republic credits and if it did it would convert to a lower amount
- it happens all the time
- what theft occurred, quit making up sequences
- if they're taking a regular pilot they sure as shit aren't gonna announce the queen,
>>217433499
and why would a regular guy and his daughter need a smuggler?

>>217433499
>yeah bro just hop in someone's "car" and hope they uphold their end of the bargain
You're planning a hitch-hiking trip? Spoiler alert: You're gonna get raped.

>>217433571
>watto says it straight up, he doesn't accept republic credits

And yet Qui-gon tries to mind control him into taking them. So why not just steal the part? It's theft either way.

>tatooine doesn't use republic credits

Good thing it's full of people with space ships who do then.

>and if it did it would convert to a lower amount

That's how they'd make the exchange happen yes. That's how currency exchanges work. That's the whole point.

>it happens all the time

When?

>what theft occurred

Qui-gon tried to steal the part by mind controlling Watto into accepting a currency he wouldn't take for it. So why not just sneak into the shop at night and take the part? It's theft either way.

>if they're taking a regular pilot they sure as shit aren't gonna announce the queen

That is exactly my point, yes. They don't need to announce the queen yo anyone.

>and why would a regular guy and his daughter need a smuggler?

Who cares? They're offering money.

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>>217433531
>He's going to argue that everyone would have recognized her despite her walking around everywhere and no one recognizing her.
THIS DOESN'T STAND OUT AT ALL LOL
FUCK YOURSELF KIKE

>>217433708
Since when was she wearing her queen outfit on Tatooine? Did you forget that she did leave the ship yo go into town with Qui-gon?

And why are you so, so mad? I thought you were dominating us brainlets?

>>217433571
>why would a regular guy and his daughter need a smuggler?
Because he has a ship and is willing to take them? Holy shit dude just give up. You've lost

>>217433679
>It's theft either way.
again, you keep making up instances that never occurred.
>people
again, qui-gon is trying to remain hidden, he isn't going to run around screaming DO YOU TAKE REPUBLIC CREDITS BY CHANCE?
>exchange
yeah the republic credits would be exchanged for fuckall sandbucks, and it wouldn't be enough to get the hyperdrive fixed, therefore it's a moot point you idiot
>dah queen
again, she isn't leaving her entourage when they're all political refugees in danger of either being hunted by a sith or captured by the local hutt and sold into slavery since they were out of the republic's jurisdiction. imagine you go with your bitch to detroit and tell her to wait a week for you to come back. you think she isn't gonna get raped or stabbed in that time? of course she will.
>who cares
smugglers have consciences too, idiot. not all of them are bumbling retards like yourself.

>>217433708
Lmao he doesn't know Padme is the actual queen. This fucking prequeltard didn't even pay attention to the movie. Why the fuck does every retard that defends this film forget half the fucking plot?

>>217433758
Mind tricking someone into taking monopoly money would be theft right?

Also Padme would leave her entourage if it meant getting support for her planet. It's why she left in the first place.

Why are you being such an obtuse nigger?

>>217433758
>smugglers have consciences too
So why did Han give a ride to Luke And Obi-Wan if he knows they have trouble with the law? Where's his conscience? Also a smuggler by definition doesn't have a conscience since they work in stealing shit.

>>217433739
>Did you forget that she did leave the ship yo go into town with Qui-gon?
did you forget that padme was canonically a handmaiden at that part? how is she gonna go to coruscant without her regal attire? stupid faggot
i'm not mad, i'm just emphasizing with caps lock to let you know what retarded niggers you all are because you literally cannot understand a simple children's film and make up nonsense to debunk it kek
>>217433750
>Because he has a ship and is willing to take them?
again, you keep bringing up this vapid smuggler/pilot idea, when the whole point is to not hitch a ride with anyone else due to the fact that they are in an unsafe part of the galaxy. and again, why would a simple man and his daughter go to a fucking smuggler, nobody is gonna say "well fuck it let's go" they're gonna say "shit is sus bro idk bout it" and then when qui-gon tries to pay him with republic credits he'll do the same as watto
you seem to not understand that smugglers don't make trips into the capital system. they stay where they can operate without legal interruption. han only took luke and obi-wan because they overpaid his asking price and it happened to be financially convenient for him, otherwise he would have told them to fuck off.

>>217431398
How's it feel getting BTFO'd?
I'm wondering if you regret acting superior now.

>>217433758
>again, you keep making up instances that never occurred.

So Qui-gon DIDN'T try to mind control Watto for the part? That wasn't in the movie?

>again, qui-gon is trying to remain hidden, he isn't going to run around screaming DO YOU TAKE REPUBLIC CREDITS BY CHANCE?

What? Why would he have to scream that? If he weren't screaming there'd be nothing conspicuous about it. Certainly not as much as winning the podracing grand prix.

>yeah the republic credits would be exchanged for fuckall sandbucks, and it wouldn't be enough to get the hyperdrive fixed

How do you know the exchange rates would have been that bad?

>again, she isn't leaving her entourage

Let's say she won't. Why does that matter? Any smuggler could take the whole group.

>smugglers have consciences too

Wow you are really grasping with this one. What's unconscionable about smuggling people as opposed to cargo, exactly?

>>217433763
you fucking retard kek, at this point in the story the queen is still the bitch with white face paint, and the handmaidens take turns wearing it. that means in order for padme to go to coruscant she has to bring them and the regal attire with her, and that's gonna cost them even more when dealing with external transportation, let alone a smuggler
>>217433779
>Also Padme would leave her entourage if it meant getting support for her planet. It's why she left in the first place.
again, you're throwing apples and oranges up into the air and claiming a pineapple will land. padme didn't want to even leave naboo, qui-gon had to convince her. no way was she gonna strand the rest of them in a desert shithole.
>>217433797
see below
>>217433820
i should ask you the same since literally i've been pwning all you noobs for several hours now

>>217433809
>when the whole point is to not hitch a ride with anyone else due to the fact that they are in an unsafe part of the galaxy.
But getting entangled in a podrace ran by the literal mafia is totally safe?
>why would a simple man and his daughter go to a fucking smuggler,
They don't even need to go to a smuggler, they could go to any friegh ship pilot or transit pilot and ask for a lift. Also why would a smuggler even ask questions so long as he's getting paid? Or hell maybe since he's willing to take republic credits why not trade currencies with him?
>han only took luke and obi-wan because they overpaid his asking price
And Qui-gon can't do the same 20,000 is some good haggling money, it's more than what Han was paid to transport 4 people.

>>217433877
You been falling back on the same excuses and been constantly called out for how stupid your positions are. We know you're autistic because you don't know how the world works.

>>217433856
- qui-gon attempted to mind control watto into accepting the money, that isn't theft you idiot
- again, he has one source of income that is useless. so no matter what he has to go about finding a way to exchange, and that is impossible without him telling the person that he has said money in the first place, in a place where that money is useless.
>exchange rates
you dense faggot, what part of REPUBLIC CREDITS ARE NO GOOD HERE did you not get? the hutts don't play by republic rules or economic standards.
>any smuggler could take the whole group
yes, now good luck in finding a smuggler and convincing them you can afford his rate for smuggling political refugees
>smuggling people
han only smuggled drugs, he never took people. there's your example, stupid.

>>217433877
>that means in order for padme to go to coruscant she has to bring them and the regal attire with her,
Aw yes because the president of the United states is only the president if he's wearing a suit and tie...
That's not how that works you dumb fucker. She can leave without make up on.

>>217433877
You really think Padme couldn't be convinced to get on a ship to Coruscant after being convinced to bet everything on a boy that never won a pod race?

>>217433892
>But getting entangled in a podrace ran by the literal mafia is totally safe?
- anakin is registered under watto, qui-gon is operating behind them, watch the movie.
- you just keep making this more and more ridiculous THEY AREN'T LOOKING FOR ANOTHER RIDE THEY WANT TO FIX THEIR SHIP AND GTFO ANOTHER PILOT IS NOT AN OPTION ON THE TABLE YOU STUPID NIGGER
- REPUBLIC CREDITS ARE NO GOOD HERE YOU STUPID NIGGER, THEIR MONEY IS WORTHLESS IT'S LITERALLY SPELLED OUT FOR YOU IN THE FUCKING FILM WATCH THE GODDAMN MOVIE ONCE IN YOUR PATHETIC FAGGOT ASS NIGGER LIFE
>>217433914
i keep repeating myself because you idiots keep repeating yourselves

>>217433940
>She can leave without make up on.
and expose herself, putting her own life at risk while the trade federation happens to be gunning for her? you really are retarded
>>217433958
i'm not even gonna bother responding to you for being this obtuse

>>217433925
The hutts still smuggle goods in and out of republic space. People in the outer rim have a use for republic credits. You know how third world countries still accept the dollar in the tourist trade even though its not their currency? Because it still has fucking worth to people because it's backwd by a major nation. Watto may not deal with Republic credits but you can bet your ass the Hutts and other travelers do.

>>217433997
>The hutts still smuggle goods in and out of republic space. People in the outer rim have a use for republic credits
the hutts can get some use out of republic credits sure, but local vendors don't. watch the movie.

>>217433809
>did you forget that padme was canonically a handmaiden at that part?

No she was canonically the queen, wearing a disguise. You're the one arguing that she would have been immediately recognizable despite the fact she was wearing a disguise in the movie already. Ergo a smuggler wouldn't know who she was and wouldn't be worried about the risk in transporting her.

>how is she gonna go to coruscant without her regal attire?

What does that matter? Is she not queen anymore without the outfit?

>i'm not mad

You are very mad which is why you are using all caps and calling everyone "nigger" and "kike".

>again, you keep bringing up this vapid smuggler/pilot idea

How is it vapid? It worked in A New Hope.

>when the whole point is to not hitch a ride with anyone else due to the fact that they are in an unsafe part of the galaxy.

Gee good thing there were two jedi there to deal with any trouble then.

>nobody is gonna say "well fuck it let's go"

Why not? They have money. Smugglers have flexible morals and want to make money.

>you seem to not understand that smugglers don't make trips into the capital system

Why not?

>they stay where they can operate without legal interruption

Evading legal interruption is the entire point if smuggling. If they're operating entirely outside the boundaries of the republic they're not smugglers. It is the act of crossing borders with illicit goods that makes someone a smuggler.

>han only took luke and obi-wan because they overpaid his asking price and it happened to be financially convenient for him

And that wouldn't have worked in ep 1 why?

>>217433995
Going inconspicuous makes her a bigger target than wearing her regal make up?
Holy fuck dude you are a dense motherfucker. She doesn't endanger herself by revealing to Qui-gon her true identity.
>I won't respond
Because you know you can't without being wrong.

>>217434024
The point is that republic credits do have worth and can be exchanged. Meaning there is no reason Qui-gon can't exchange the currency or pay a pilot to take Amidala and himself to coruscant.

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>>217431398
Boy you're still getting raped in the replies. You really should have just took your "win" in silence.

>>217434028
reminder that there is no smuggler option, you had to invent it to have an argument in the first place
>>217434037
qui-gon already knows who she is, stupid. this is why i didn't bother responding to your stupid ass.
>>217434054
THE POINT IS REPUBLIC CREDITS ARE WORTHLESS ON TATOOINE YOU STUPID NIGGER. YOU ARE A STUPID NIGGER AND WILL REMAIN A STUPID NIGGER THE REST OF YOUR STUPID NIGGER LIFE UNTIL YOU RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT REPUBLIC CREDITS ARE WORTHLESS IF YOU'RE NOT ON A SYSTEM WHERE REPUBLIC CREDITS ARE USEFUL.
>>217434096
i ain't getting raped in shit lmao

>>217433925
>qui-gon attempted to mind control watto into accepting the money, that isn't theft

He knew Watto didn't accept his money. Exchanging goods for worthless currency is theft.

>again, he has one source of income that is useless

It's not useless to people who travel within Republic space.

>what part of REPUBLIC CREDITS ARE NO GOOD HERE did you not get

No good to Watto, specifically. Watto doesn't fly to Republic space. Someone with a spaceship would.

>yes, now good luck in finding a smuggler and convincing them you can afford his rate for smuggling political refugees

Finding a smuggler on Tatooine isn't hard and why tell anyone they're political refugees? Your whole argument against using a smuggler is predicated on this stupid idea of yours that they HAVE to divulge the identity of the queen.

>And Qui-gon can't do the same

Why not? Why wouldn't a smuggler transport people for the cost of an expensive spaceship part?

Oh and you never told me when Jedi detect lies also. You said it happens "all the time" remember? So when does it happen?

>>217434160
>Exchanging goods for worthless currency is theft.
nice you see you finally acknowledged what i've been telling you for 3 hours
>not useless to people who travel within republic space
and again, they aren't looking to travel about if they don't have to, which means they aren't checking into the local cantina
>someone with a spaceship
would you give this shit up already lmao. they have their own ship. they have no money. they have nothing to bargain with. how the fuck are they gonna magically afford a fucking pilot? let me refer you back to the instance between han & luke. "two droids, myself and the boy, and no questions asked, while avoiding any imperial entanglements" you think qui-gon is just gonna be like "hey buddy my bitch and i need a ride to the capital of the republic which means you have to get scanned by the local government and expose yourself as a smuggler on our behalf"? idiot. a smuggler won't take them without it being worth his while. AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU STUPID NIGGER.

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>>217434151
>I'm not losing
>I just keep getting btfo every other post

>>217434338
show me where i was btfo. the facts have been stated thus far:

- palpatine easily manipulates the trade federation because they are greedy and cowards
- the group is stranded on tatooine with nothing of value to the local residents and are maintaining a low profile to avoid the possibility of being spotted and targeted, either by a federation spy or a hutt and then taken prisoner
- since they have no money, they cannot afford a pilot/smuggler to sneak them out
- anakin becomes the new object of qui-gon's focus due to his strength with the force, leading qui-gon to believe he is the key to them getting to coruscant (he is proven to be correct)
- you are a stupid nigger

>>217434280
>nice you see you finally acknowledged what i've been telling you for 3 hours
No you've been arguing that Qui-gon using the Mind-trick was not an attempted theft.
>they aren't looking to travel about if they don't have to
Qui-gon and Padme both admit time is of the essence and they have a ship that literally cannot fly. There is no reason paying a pilot to take them to Coruscant should be off the table based on your own assertions.
>they have their own ship.
That doesn't work. That's like saying you don't need an uber because you have a car without an engine.
>they have nothing to bargain with
Except the republic credits that a pilot going between the republic and outer rim could use.
>let me refer you back to the instance between han & luke
They had to bargain with cash they didn't even have. So why couldn't Padme and Qui-gon do the same?
>a smuggler won't take them without it being worth his while
20,000 credits is more than what Han would've been paid by Obi-wan and Luke.

>>217434151
>reminder that there is no smuggler option

Why not? It worked in ANH didn't it?

>>217434482
>No you've been arguing that Qui-gon using the Mind-trick was not an attempted theft.
it wasn't, he was trying to make watto accept the republic credits, therefore making it a legitimate purchase. what i've been telling you for three hours is that since republic credits are useless, qui-gon would not be able to run around and exchange it for the local equivalent because he would get fuck all in return.
>pilot
see above, they literally have no money to spend. what don't you fucking get about this? if they can't afford a simple junk vendor why do you think they're gonna magically afford a smuggler? and again, you have to keep inventing scenarios for your bullshit headcanon to work. "oh yeah the smuggler will easily take them for 20 grand" you don't know that retard. a smuggler operating in the outer rim isn't going to use republic credits when there's a higher form of currency that is of more use to them.
and ben was able to guarantee han that payday, that's why it worked. it worked for han because tatooine was under the control of the empire, which meant standard pay was accepted there at that time. you're trying to use two completely different economic situations and it's not working.

>>217434280
>nice you see you finally acknowledged what i've been telling you for 3 hours

You were justing arguing that Qui-gon wasn't trying to steal.

>and again, they aren't looking to travel about if they don't have to?

Why not? Traveling is what smugglers do.

>they have their own ship.

And it's broken.

>they have no money

They have plenty of money. One junk dealer won't accept that and you think that means no one else will either.

>"hey buddy my bitch and i need a ride to the capital of the republic which means you have to get scanned by the local government and expose yourself as a smuggler on our behalf"

How do you know that would happen?

>AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE

They have money. Money traders would readily accept.

I'm still waiting on you to tell me when Jedi detect lies also. And you're still using all caps and swearing which means you're mad. Why are you so mad?

>>217434430
>palpatine easily manipulates the trade federation because they are greedy and cowards
Good they never went to the Republic for safety given they are such cowards. For cowards they were pretty okay with using militant force on a populace. >>217434566
>t wasn't, he was trying to make watto accept the republic credits, therefore making it a legitimate purchase.
Forcing someone against thier will with the force to take money they don't recognize is stealing you dumb fuckwit. It I came up to you with a gun and forced you to sell your computer for my monopoly money you wouldn't consider that theft?

>>217434566
>qui-gon would not be able to run around and exchange it for the local equivalent because he would get fuck all in return.
He only went to one fucking merchant you cannot even argue that especially since we know the traders, smugglers, and hutts would gladly take Republic Credits as they travel to Republic space!

>>217429783
>no and i dont care. lets start with this one. first the good:
The prequels will spoil the original trilogy for you. Be a retard and do whatever you want though, it has no effect on me.

>>217434566
>they literally have no money to spend.
Obi-wan and Luke had only 2000 to spend on Han and still were able to convince him with the promise of money. This is before ignoring that a pilot that travels to the Republic capitol would have use for republic credits!

>>217434612
>One junk dealer won't accept that and you think that means no one else will either.
"REPUBLIC CREDITS ARE NO GOOD HERE" DOES NOT APPLY TO JUST WATTO YOU STUPID NIGGER
LET ME FOLLOW IT UP WITH ANOTHER EXAMPLE
"THE REPUBLIC DOESN'T EXIST OUT HERE"
IT'S AN INDEPENDENT SYSTEM YOU STUPID NIGGER
>>217434634
>For cowards they were pretty okay with using militant force on a populace
MANIPULATED BY PALPATINE YOU STUPID NIGGER

>>217429783
anon, you're absolutely right but prequelfags are deranged and are going to dox you for posting that.

>>217434566
>it wasn't, he was trying to make watto accept the republic credits, therefore making it a legitimate purchase.

He knew Watto didn't accept credits making it theft.

>they literally have no money to spend

...you just acknowledged they had republic credits, which any smuggler would take.

>>217429783
>no and i dont care. lets start with this one. first the good:
Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father. Darth Vader becomes good at the very end. I just spoiled the whole thing for you since you already said you intended on watching them in the wrong order. No point in watching the rest now. Also, you write like a nigger.

>>217434663
and again they're REMAINING INCONSPICUOUS WHICH MEANS THEY AREN'T GOING DOOR TO DOOR YOU STUPID NIGGER
THEY'RE THERE TO GET THE PARTS THEY NEED AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF DODGE
IT ISN'T A SOCIAL CALL YOU STUPID NIGGER
>>217434695
han was in a tight spot himself and took it because he had nothing else going for him, it was that or a bullet from greedo. watch the movie.

>>217434709
How did Palpatine manipulate them?
>He scared them!
Oh so one little guy in a robe scares them but the whole Republic doesn't? Piss off. Palpatine needs to establish some sort of tangible trade off to get them to get on his side. Aren't you the dumbass arguing that No one will take Qui-gon's republic credits because they're intangible? If the TF is willing to do shit for Palps over promises why wouldn't someone on Tatoonie do the same for Qui-gon?

>>217430724
For me the cannon is the original six movies, the 2003 Clone Wars, and the books set after Return of the Jedi that I haven't read but trust are good.

>>217434752
So anon if Watto didn't have the hyperdrive they would have just stop because it'd be too inconspicuous to go to any other merchants?

>>217434731
>He knew Watto didn't accept credits making it theft.
he knew after failing to convince watto to accept it
>which any smuggler would take
oh i didn't realize you were the authority on what forms of currency smugglers accept and don't accept
and what if all the smugglers on that day happened to be just smugglers working for the hutts? they certainly don't take republic credits because they operate in an area of the galaxy where those are useless. and given they're on tatooine, a planet controlled by the hutts in hutt space, i can very fucking much guarantee you any smuggler they would run into would be on the payroll of the hutts, therefore once again making their republic credits (which hutts rarely tangle with unless they absolutely have to) useless!

>>217434709
People who travel off system, people with spaceships, would accept republic credits. And why are you so mad?

>>217434773
>How did Palpatine manipulate them?
irrelevant how, and based on how they react yeah he literally did scare them lmao. but you missed the part earlier where he made it clear that he has senate connections that can make things easier for the trade federation
>>217434799
now now don't be coy, my simple stupid nigger.

>>217434805
Mind tricks are literal mind control. It doesn't make you say what you believe it's a Jedi forcing you to think what they tell you to. That's extortion.

>>217429783
TPM is unironically good.

>>217434842
>irrelevant
It's literally the inciting incident. It isn't irrelevant.

>>217434826
>People who travel off system, people with spaceships, would accept republic credits
indeed they would if they operated in republic space. in the outer rim that's far less likely than you think! you seem to forget that tatooine is the equivalent of afghanistan or a flyover state in the midwest us. these are simple people who never venture past their town boundaries.

It's shocking how little of Phantom Menace carries over. Do they even mention Qui Gon at all in Episode 2 or 3?

>>217434805
>he knew after failing to convince watto to accept it

And then he tried to mind trick him to steal it.

>they certainly don't take republic credits because they operate in an area of the galaxy where those are useless

What are they smuggling exactly if they don't travel to the republic? If they work entirely within the lawless frontier they aren't smugglers. Smugglers cross borders.

>>217434805
If you travel to France you have use for Euros. Why would pilots that travel to tge Republic not have use for Republic credits?

>>217434877
Yoda mentions Jinn in episode 3 to Kenobi at the end of the movie. He mentions Jinn has a force ghost that Kenobi would be able to communicate with.

>>217434874
>these are simple people who never venture past their town boundaries

People with spaceships never venture past town boundaries? I specified "people with spaceships" remember. Spaceships that can go anywhere in the galaxy.

>>217434849
right, but it doesn't change the fact that watto still didn't accept republic credits, making your whole stink about theft a moot point and useless banter. i will no longer reply to it because you're a stupid nigger.
>>217434867
>It's literally the inciting incident
no the blockade being setup is the inciting incident. palpatine taking control behind the shadows is the scene before. learn how to make movies and then shut the fuck up.

>>217434874
Naboo is literally a couple parsecs away. That means the Republic is within a brief trip from Tatoonie. There would certainly be travel to the Republic from Tatoonie.

if the phantom menace had been the first Star Wars movie there wouldn’t have been a second.

>>217434922
>it doesn't change the fact that watto still didn't accept republic credits

Watto doesn't have a spaceship.

>>217434922
No it doesn't because it shows Qui Gon Jinn is willing to steal to get the hyperdrive. If he's willing to steal then he might as well bust in Watto's shop after dark and steal the damn part.

>>217434882
who said anything about a lawless frontier? the hutts are the authority in hutt space you buffoon. by leaving hutt space they're already crossing the border
>>217434894
you keep insisting that tatooine is packed full of pilots that travel to the republic on a regular basis. that isn't the fucking case stupid nigger.
>>217434919
see above, stupid nigger.
>>217434928
you as well
>>217434932
based on how these stupid niggers approach the film yeah, it's too simple for them to understand.

>>217434922
>the blockade being setup is the inciting incident
Yeah and it doesn't make sense specifically because the TF has no reason to do it as it doesn't help their end goal of having taxes lifted.

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>>217434959
and how is he gonna magically lift a fuckhuge hyperdrive out of town? this is how big the t-14 hyperdrive is btw. he's gotta first break into the shop, then some how get that out of the shop, and carry it through town back to his ship. you seriously think all of mos espa goes to bed at night? stupid nigger.

>>217434976
You were literally explained in multiple posts why you'd see traders flying between Tatoonie and the republic. You were given multiple valid reasons for their existence. Yet you keep pretending this is unlikely, despite ANH showing the complete opposite. Just accept you lost this argument. You have provided no substantial arguement to validate your position.

>>217434976
>who said anything about a lawless frontier?

You did. The Hutts are a crime syndicate.

>you keep insisting that tatooine is packed full of pilots that travel to the republic on a regular basis. that isn't the fucking case

How do you know? Obi-wan didn't have any trouble immediately finding Han.

>>217434979
>Yeah and it doesn't make sense specifically because the TF has no reason to do it as it doesn't help their end goal of having taxes lifted.
NO SHIT YOU STUPID NIGGER THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT, PALPATINE PUSHES THEM TO DO IT, THEY WOULDN'T DO IT THEMSELVES NORMALLY BUT IT'S NOT A NORMAL SITUATION YOU STUPID NIGGER

>>217435015
>and how is he gonna magically lift a fuckhuge hyperdrive out of town
The force. Or do Jedis no longer have telekinesis? Hell if he needs help he can bring Obi-wan.

>>217429783
you should try the machete order, watch 4 and 5, then the prequels 2 and 3 (skip 1), and finally 6

The correct order
>The Phantom Menace
>Attack of the Clones
>Revenge of the Sith
>Solo
>Rogue One
>A New Hope
>The Empire Strikes Back
>Caravan of Courage
>Ewoks: The Battle for Endor
>Revenge of the Sith

That's it. No need to consume anything else.

>>217435045
As explained before it is never explained why Palpatine has influence over the TF. At best he has vague offerings but he doesn't any solid leverage over the federation. If some random dude in a robe offerred you money to go park your car in front of police officers would you just do it because he looked scary?

>>217434842
>now now don't be coy, my simple stupid nigger.
Not him, but I'm curious too. Can you explain it, or just call me a stupid nigger.

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>>217431398
Hey you're still getting royally fucked? Dude just give up this is sad.

>>217435018
you keep ignoring the fact that they aren't seeking transport from another pilot. you keep ignoring the fact that they are in hutt space which operates separately from republic space. you keep ignoring the fact that we don't know if 20,000 is enough to smuggle a few people. now shut the fuck up with this imaginary situation, i'm not entertaining the stupidity of it anymore.
>>217435025
>You did. The Hutts are a crime syndicate.
the hutts are the authority, which means they still have their own rules that the local systems follow you idiot. there's no lawless frontier.
>obi-wan
obi-wan and luke specifically went to find a pilot, qui-gon did not. that's the key fucking difference.

>>217435045
>THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT, PALPATINE PUSHES THEM TO DO IT

How? What is he holding over them exactly? George, the bad writer that he is, doesn't tell us.

>>217434877
Yes, he's mentioned in both movies/
>>217434903
A big part of Darth Tyrannus's backstory is that he was Qui Gon's master at one point. How the hell do you remember Yoda briefly mentioning him in III and not that from II?

>>217434976
Stop calling people stupid niggers for asking questions.

>>217435015
>and how is he gonna magically lift a fuckhuge hyperdrive out of town?

Gee, if only jedi could somehow magically lift things...

>>217435046
right that's to be expected. now tell me how they're gonna get it out of town? you seriously think they won't be spotted? you seriously think they'll just walk out uninterrupted?
>>217435081
yeah i'm done with your stupid nigger ass
>>217435090
i'll call you a stupid nigger for the sake of calling you a stupid nigger. obviously if watto didn't have the parts, then qui-gon would go to the next store. case closed, shut the fuck up stupid nigger.
>>217435109
i've been fucking a lot of you pretty good so far. keep inventing hypothetical scenarios, i'm loving btfo'ing them.

>>217435112
>we don't know if 20,000 is enough to smuggle a few people
10,000 was enough to transport 4 people in ANH

>>217435112
Hey if you didn't have breakfast how would you feel anon?

Because you really don't seem to get hypotheticals

>>217435169
Shhhhhh he didn't watch the original movies.