Why were the subsequent two Lord of the Rings movies, while being very good movies, unable to capture the SOVL of Fellowship of the Ring?
>>217436296Jackson decided to insert his own thing in the last two movies instead of closely sticking to Tolkien's text as he did in the first>inb4 Tom Bombadila few trims were necessary
>>217436296Battle scene is dragged out and hollywoodized in two towers and overabundance of CGI in returm
Large scale CGI battles in broad daylight that looked like shit.Criss crossing between too many samey characters (Eomer, Faramir)Going for DUDE EPIC & suffering of characters rather than cozy adventures.Oh and Gollum fucking sucks and is just as bad as Jar Jar.
>>217436742it’s true. all of it.
>>217436296TTT has the most soul. Fellowship is like an action movie with PS1 CG. Watching the Moria sequence makes me die inside. Most of the stuff people like about Fellowship happens before Rivendell or otherwise takes about 5 seconds (like Boromir's death, which was rushed).
>>217436296it turned to quippy capeslop
Howard Shore's music becomes overblown in the sequels. It's constantly straining for grandeur, but its main effect is to irritate the human ear.
>>217436296I thought Two Towers was by far the best if not downright perfection but the only drawback is that Return was only ever going to pale in comparison
>>217436296The long epic battle sequences, massive CGI armies, etc. Fellowship had a smaller scale fantasy adventure feel that the two sequels lacked.
>>217436764Seek help, freak. Fellowship is 10/10 kino from beginning to end. TTT was utterly ruined by Hackson changing the story and characters in favor of all the utter garbage he made up.
>>217436742This, but Gollum is good.
>>217436296Because you entered pubescence by then
>>217436764If you think it's rushed in the movie, don't read the book. That whole battle sequence lasts like one paragraph>>217436807Cave troll knocks it down by half a point thoughever
>>217436603fotr didn't stick to the text that closely. it's not 17 years between 111 birthday and the quest, there's no wizard telekinesis battle, there's no cave troll battle, the balrog doesn't have wings, arwen isn't an action hero, aragorn isn't a cuck that refuses the call, saruman can't summon thunderstorms, huge parts of the council of elrond are cut, the barrow wightsfotr is just as sloppy an adaptation as the other two
>>217436296Best captures the comfy high fantasy aesthetic of going on a grand adventure with a group of different people with the same goal.
>>217437327Most of those changes are to the film's benefit, shaving off 17 years to add forward momentum to the narrative being the best example. Arwen is barely an action hero, she has one scene where she does something cool (no unrealistic combat moment, they even cut her out in helm's deep) and the balrog isn't worth addressing or I might catch secondhand autism
>>217436296you just love the shire too much. but if they just stayed in the shire the whole time there wouldnt be a story
>>217437473Home...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlmiRndxkU8
>>217437535https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaJZLKT4qr0
>>217436296It's just the nature of trilogies and storytelling in general. The first act is mysterious and you slowly get introduced to the characters and what's going on. It can take its time and there's a lot of wonder and amazement. That vanishes in the next act where plot has to move and payoff things setup before, now setting events for the third act finale. Most mystery is gone except for how it will all come together to win/lose the day. There is no more Moria or accidentally running into a Balrog. The Elves are no longer mysterious or event present. About the only thing is exploring Mordor and it's just a spooky barren hellscape
>>217437407>I might catch secondhand autismthe things you complain about in the second two movies are the exact same thing the whole topic is arguing about adaptation of a fantasy book. there is categorically no non autistic way to discuss it. there's nothing about "faramir is too much of a jerk" or whatever that's neurotypical
>>217437789The things I complained about influence the tone and execution heavily, nitpicking over whether a cosmic demon entity has metaphorical wings or literal ones is neurodivergent to its absolute core
>>217437734SOVLhttps://youtu.be/ZNx5uPWbBIc?si=iAtFk2xMbtsXGVln&t=174
>>217437407>>217437836Ok but are the wings literal or not?
>>217437997I don't care to dig through Tolkien's letters to his gay lover or whatever to figure out if they were intended to be literal, it's inconsequential and you can interpret it however you like. That's good literature for you
Its strange the two towers in the book version arent even the same two towers the movie implies
>>217436296they spent all the soul on the shire
>>217437327>in its left it held a whip of many thongs… the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings.Bitch please
>>217437208I adore the book. The film has fast cuts and epic shots like a camera stuck on the end of Legolas' arrow, while the book offers descriptions for people over the age of 13.
>>217438843>like a camera stuck on the end of Legolas' arrowThe Lord of the Rings films most certainly do not have that.
>>217438899https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54pM20ongM4Go to 1:02They most certainly do have that.
Soul = the shirethe further you get from the sheer, unmitigated comfy of the shire the less soulful it becomes
>>217436296Jackson is an egotistical kiwi faggot who thought he knew better than the original writer. I'm glad The Hobbit came out and the whole world saw what a hack he really is.
>>217436296It's not because the latter two depart from the book. That idea is a red herring It's because they have just plain ole' filler.Exhibit A: attacked by wargs on the way to Helm's Deep. It's just a dumb battle with mostly CGI wolves. CGI wolves are always boring. Nothing is accomplished, except for Aragorn getting separated, but then he ends up at Helm's Deep anyway.Oh and apparently he was the only one to spot the 10k Uruk Hai because for some reason Theoden didn't have any scouts. So not only does it waste our time, but it makes Theoden seem kinda dumb.It's all just wheel spinning shit.
>>217439039Oh my bad. That was kino.
>>217439080Zoom zoom
>>217439082why do you fellowship lovers keep acting like theres no CGI in the first movie? you know they filmed all these movies together at the same time right? Its why they all feel so consistent with each other
>>217439308The only CG that stands out in a bad way in Fellowship is the cave troll. The fireworks in the Shire and the Balrog are pure kino.
>>217439308Whose acting like that?It literally has a CGI balrog in one of the most focus sequences. Who is pretending there is no CGI?
>>217439203I'm a zoomer because I like the books better?
>>217439350You're a zoomer for trying to downplay the sheer kino of the OG trilogy.
I just rewatched all three of the extended editions in theaters this past weekend. I saw the films originally in theaters when they came out too - on release day and my feelings on the films have changed over the years as I've changed, so it might just be subjective, but for years now I've considered Fellowship the best film.It's crazy how great Fellowship is and how hard the other two for me have fallen off. I prefer the theatrical cuts of all three films, but Fellowship's narrative remains undamaged by a few extra scenes, whereas TTT and ROTK just drag on with needless stuff like the Ent Draught scene with Merry & Pippin.Gollum is just too ridiculous, and apart from the scene when they enter Lothlorien in Fellowship, Gimli isn't a comic relief character in Fellowship like he is in the next two. Fellowship seems like it takes itself more seriously on the whole than the other two. The character/emotional scene that hits me the hardest these days though is in TTT when Theoden visits his son's grave and speaks with Gandalf. Never used to really consider that scene such a good moment as I preferred the action and the heroism or scenes like aragorn/frodo aragorn/boromir or sam's speech at the end of the second film
>>217439411I think the EE is the definitive version of Fellowship, but agreed on the other two although putting Saruman's death in the EE version of Return of the King has always been odd to me. Should've been in the theatrical cut of TTT.
Probably because fellowship was still written as more of a The Hobbit-style adventure
>>217439342all the people in this thread acting like felllowship is ten times better then the rest of the trilogy is. Its fine if thats your favorite movie of the 3, but fellowship isnt THAT much better is all Im saying
