>Massive Hollywood blockbuster based off of an amusement park ride>Ends up being one of the most kino mainstream movies of all timeWhat went so right?
This is a movie about pirates, for those who hate pirates.
>>217438454>This is a movie about pirates, for those who hate pirates.not everyone wanna watch hairy men bum each other on the poop deck for 2 hours
I just with 3 hadn't been such a letdown. It probably should have been split into two movies like Endgame.
>>217438227>one of the most movie mainstream movies
>>217438227Gore Verbinski and the lightning-in-the-bottle performance of Johnny Depp deserve some credit, but the whole thing was the passion project and brainchild of Jerry Bruckheimer. He loved watching swashbuckler movies as a kiddo and also had the wherewithal to know a movie has to be well-rounded in order to work. POTC has action, adventure, romance, a little bit of horror, and a message.
>>2174386393 is already stretching its materialAll the best/important plot points in 3 could've been worked into 2, and then 2 would've been perfect like 1.
>>217438227>What went so rightSimple: they let Gore and his team do their thing and didn't get in the way.
>>217438227For me it's He's a Pirate (Tiësto Remix) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dIyy_RFTOs
>>217438227>>217438689In this particular instance, it was to the credit of Johnny Depp doing what he wanted with the character and all of the cast and crew around him rolling with it.There's an interview with Kiera Knightly where she explains that during table reads, Captain Jack Sparrow was just a straight as he seems, words on the page, no-nonsense, "normal" character. All of the flowery, flowy, Keither Richards-esque, drunjeny, savvy, behaviours and portrayal was all the creation of Depp. The suits didn't like what he was doing, and for a time were even wanting to fire him for it. But the cast and crew understood what was happening and defended it. And its because of this that there's a franchise. It was built on his back. There wouldn't be as many movies as there are if the man just played it straight. People went to the theatres to see Johnny Depp's Captain Jack Sparrow.Sometimes, just sometimes, you have to trust the process rather than the plan. It's for reasons like that that we have a James Earl Jones Darth Vader, something that at the time annoyed David Prowse to no end - even to this day.
>>217438454What do you mean by that?
>>217438227>What went so right?Pirates 1, 2, and 3 came at a time when Disney would give out blank cheque and free artistic reign to anyone willing to make them money in return.
>>217438889Depp should obviously get credit for that but Bruckheimer deserves the mention for casting Depp. As I said earlier he knows there will be a wider mature audience for a leading man like Depp who's rather outside the box. Likewise for the casting of Bloom and Knightly, probably the two perfect "first crushes" for the pubescent audience.
>>217438889They also talk about this movie in the book Disneywar. Originally Depp was thinking maybe it would be cool if Jack Sparrow had had his nose cut off.
>>217439238This. The first PotC has some of the best casting of any movie ever. I cannot imagine any character being played by someone else.
>>217439238>>217439277And don't ya'll dare forget about my nigga Geoffrey Rush, hell the whole pirate cast was perfect, from the one eyed guy to the midwitt. Props to makeup and costuming as well, but no surprise there: Disney has the best production designers on earth, still do desu.
>>217438227Let's not gloss over the masterful use of CGI. 23 years later and you'd be hard pressed to find better. Bill Nighy, his motion capture work, the physics simulation models for his tentacle beard, and the blending of actual prosthetics and makeup were outstanding.There is great creative value in not abusing jeet farms and instead, using industry leading professionals. You get what you pay for.
>>217438227Right place at the right time. Cutthroat Island came out only a little bit earlier and flopped.
>>217439493>23 years later and you'd be hard pressed to find better.OG Bayformers and nu-Planet of the Apes trilogy.
>>217438227lads, the local kinoplex is doing a marathon of the trilogy, should i go?
>>217439493I wish that had just been its own movie. Davy Jones was fantastic but Jack, Will, and Elizabeth are annoying in the sequels (yes, 2 included) and the plot is so bloated. The first is and will always be one of my all time favorites though. I think the thing the sequels are missing more than anything else is Jack losing any sense of edge. He's funny but he never stops feeling a little dangerous during the first movie.
>>217439618I just saw Endless Waltz at my local theater and I was so glad I did. I can't wait to see Star Wars next year when it gets rereleased. I would go.
>>217439618Yes. First one is a classic, second one is uneven but has some great moments, and the third one exists.
>>217438454pirates thankfully didn't get fucked as hard as cowboys in all modern media. they really went out of their way to enfagify them.
>>217439648>>217439662that's enough for me, I'm doing it, cheers
>>217439768I second attending any theater re-issue of the classics: I've seen ALIEN (1978), DIE HARD (1988), and THE MATRIX (1999) all on re issue and the experience was a blast, especially the theater atmosphere.
>>217439810If we're talking about the "experience" of seeing something on a big screen, like an IMAX DVX AVX type viewing model, you have to see THX1138. The story is mid and predictable, but it is something you have to expose yourself to in big screen format to truly 'get' the experience as originally intended. There's something about the big bright lights being so overpowering and the low, deep thrum that you have to expose yourself from loud, dolby dts speakers.It's not so much a movie to be watched, as it is one to experience. You go more for the audio and visual trip than the storytelling. It's like Laser Floyd at McLaughlin Planetarium or The Matrix at The Sphere.
>>217439810I've seen Andrei Rublev, Oldboy, and Metropolis this year at a local theater that mostly plays older movies with a few current arthouse releases. There's just really no substitute for seeing movies on a big screen.
>>217438227>What went so right?everythingthey did everything the right way as it had been established by previous blockbustersgood casting, good script, good effects/sets/costumes/etc, and enough creative freedom for people like Depp to shinenow you are lucky to get one part of a big-budget movie done to those standards
Why the hell were these so complicated? The ride is like two minutes long
>>217440048The first one is pretty simple. They got more convoluted as they went on.
>>217438227Too bad it got sequeled to death
Am I the only one who thinks these were mid?
>>217438889And then Depp fell into the wine and coke barrels and lost the plot hard. People forget how degenerate he had become long before the Amber Turd fiasco went down. I find it interesting that he and Tim Burton's talent dried up roughly around the same time, sometime in the mid-2010s
>>217438653lurk more
>>217438227fuck this franchise>What went so right?the fact that it ripped off Monkey Islandthe guy who wrote a Monkey Island script ended up writing the first movie>Barbosa = LeChuck = leader of a ghost ship full of undead pirates>Wanna-be Pirate Will Turner = Gaybrush>Falls in love with hot Governor's daughterpretty obvious the writer just repurposed the movie for Piratesand now that Gizney owns Monkey Island, it will forever be on the back shelf superceded by Pirates of the Fagibbean
>>217439768Dude when you hear that theme play for the first time again on a theater sound system you're going to be geeking. I defy you not to smile.
>>217440648The first movie is fantastic though. Just because everything they came up with on their own after that sucked, doesn't change the fact.
>>217440648>the fact that it ripped off Monkey IslandOk, and?
>>217438227it's because there aren't many good shows/movies around pirate themes, even now
>>217438689What was the message?>>217439493>first PotC>Bill NighyRetard
