How did Rian completely miss the point of Luke's character?
He didn't, he intentionally sabotaged him so young white men wouldn't have a role model.
>>217439009But he can never take away OT Luke. And also the Sequels arent canon anyways.
>>217438995He did exactly what he was told to do, you should be mad at Hamil for going along with it
>>217439023Hamill hated how Luke was written and constantly tried to get them to change it. He didn't even know they killed him until someone brought it up in an interview.
>>217438995>>217439009>the point of Luke's character is being a super badass gary-stu with no conflicts/tv/ logicAlso hermit Luke was Lucas' idea. The man who created the character.
>>217439009Fucking retard: the very last shot of the film is a young white man full of hope. Did you even watch the movie you zoomer
>>217438995He never watched the original trilogy. Which explains why he also missed the very obvious layup JJ gave him by having Luke's X-wing sunk under water as a direct callback to the scene from Dagobah when Yoda raised it. Rian literally thought there was no way to get the X-wing out because it was under water. And it took until the third movie when JJ was directing again to make that scene happen.
>>217439020>the Sequels arent canonWhat are you even basing this on? "If it's good it's canon, if it's bad then it's not"? I hate them too, but you can't arbitrarily say a movie doesn't count just because it sucks.
>>217438995Luke in the original trilogy was a nerd who constantly stumbled over his own feet and had to be saved by other characters or sheer plot convenience. He also tried to kill his father during a burst of anger. Be aware I'm talking about the real Luke, not the non-canonic Luke from the EU or from your headcanon fanfiction, revisionist.
>>217439020they don't understand that people will simply ignore or not watch shit that sucks.
>>217439009>chuds when character development and stakes exist
>>217439127There was a rewrite of TLJ, they hinted that it was going to be basically a remake of Episode V and there was a ton of backlash after TFA was seen as being too similar to Episode IV. So they probably had to cut that to avoid the similarities.
>>217439078He could have told them to fuck off at any time, it's not like he isn't filthy rich already
>>217439365There is no way you actually believe this
>>217439196There were no steaks.
>>217439403It’s true. The actor that played Kyle ren said it in an interview, it made headlines and there was major backlash then iirc the movie was delayed.
>>217438995>>217439009>>217439020>Disney should've followed Lucas ideas>NOOOOOO NOT LIKE THIS REEEE
>>217438995(((They))) wanted to destroy one of the true White Heroes that hadn't been sullied yet.
>>2174389951.If you paid attention to the first movie and the mete fact that all the living members of the trio didnt get together then you should know it was an edict by iger and Kennedy2."Forget the past, kill it if you have too" 3.Kennedy was the purple hair...and something was going on behind the scenes. And Abrams speech to han before he killed him seemed odd.4.Hammil was under contract. He had no choice but to show up. It was all iger.
>>217439093>>the point of Luke's character is being a super badass gary-stu with no conflictsDamn anon, who's making that argument? That'd be pretty dumb of them.
>>217439381Pretty sure he was under fifteen different contracts that forbade him from doing shit like that, anon. Also telling the company that owns like half the planet to fuck off probably isn't the greatest of ideas.
>>217439136Headcanon is the only true canon. For example my SW headcanon is as follows:Andor S1Andor S2Rogue OneStar WarsThat is all.
>the most complex character in a SW movie and Hammil's best acting in his career>NOOOOOO IT'S BAD REEEEEE
>>217439628>Putting a boring quote from the middle of the movie that is then disproved by the MC literally MOVING ROCKS to save everyone using the POWER THAT SHE HAS AND OTHERS DONT into a goddamn hideous QUOTE-IMAGE Literal fantastic bait good job Sir
>>217439628>It's not about lifting rocks.This is one of those lines that doesn't sound natural coming from a character within the story and clearly feels like a modern day writer making a meta deconstruction nudge-nudge comment to the audience.
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>>217439695Andor is better. No Star Wars that takes place before Andor or after SW77 is necessary at all. Andor introduces and fleshes out how evil the Empire is. Luke blows up their super weapon at the end of the story. The End. It's even better if you think Lucas is a fucking turbo retard and don't give any shits at all about the """""""character""""""" of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. He got blasted into space by fucking Chewbacca for fucks sake. He's a literal who FAILURE. At least that's my headcanon.
>He didn't, he intentionally sabotaged him so young white men wouldn't have a role model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NBhHh_9XXo?t=710 Linkara sums it up pretty good here.
>>217439615based and sensiblepilled
>>217439628>Literally thinks about killing his own Nephew>Lets the galaxy burn>Luke fucking Skywalker of all peopleNot my Luke. Ironically, the idea that Luke fails in some big way and is desperate to make up for his mistake would actually be a cool story. But not at the expense of assassinating the very core of his character.
>>217439020>But he can never take away OT Luke.But they did. You watch the old movies and you know how Luke ends up being a dud. He won't even out grow Yoda as his master. What looks like budding wisdom is actually just youthful inexperience.
>>217439825>You watch the old movies and you know how Luke ends up being a dudWhat are you talking about anon? A dud? More like a stud! Him and Kyle(canon).
>>217439753no one is ever going to watch it bro
>>217439695>luke dies making a skype call
>>217439903Lots of people already watched it. The /Andor/ generals were lots of fun. Sorry you're anti-fun. Oh wait no I'm not. I don't care about you at all.
>>217439009>so young white men wouldn't have a role modelI think he saw something sincere and beloved and his little gremlin brain just reflexively had to take a dookie on itthere was no "higher" motivation, it was just trolling and star wars fans were the perfect target
Rian Johnson has never seen a Star Wars movie, I know this for a fact. He just had his filmtwitter buddy Drew McWeeny explain the cliffsnotes version to him>>217439688100%It's not written like it's being spoken by a character in Star Wars. It's written like an attept to convey information to someone watching Star Wars. The sequels are stuffed full of dialogue like this
>>2174397751) People always point to Luke going apeshit in the fight with Vader in Return of The Jedi but always ignore how much it took to get him to that point. He'd been fighting Vader for quite a while already, with Palpatine goading him on all the while. Meanwhile all his friends were dying right outside the window for him to see and if the Rebels failed here they'd fail forever. Then, as the cherry on top, Vader threatened to turn Leia to the Dark Side. THEN Luke lost his shit. He didn't open the fight by cutting off Vader's hand. And that was back when he was a young little upstart who didn't know what he was doing; surely as a seasoned Jedi Master he'd have even better control and restraint and mastery of himself. You don't train for years to become WORSE.2) "Luke is a human being who makes mistakes. Just because he's older now doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes anymore." Yes, because when the audience had been waiting 34 years to see Luke Skywalker return to the silver screen at long last, now as a presumably stronger and wiser Jedi Master, showing him as a colossal moronic fuck-up who makes even bigger mistakes than when he was a student was clearly the best way to repay their patience and loyalty.
Luke Skywalker got the Arthur Fleck Joker 2 treatment
>>217439757I look like this and say this.
>>217439628Luke Legacy got raped he is a failure Rey Palpatine is the better Luke she is Canon
>>217439093Hermit Luke can be done way better. Hermit Luke who goes to study the Sith on the Sith planet of Korriban in their scary Sith tombs. Imagine Rey having to Indiana Jones into those tombs to try to find Luke.VS Rian's Luke on an island in the middle of nowhere milking green milk goo from the local fauna and doing nothing else.
>>217439093"Hermit Luke" does not mean "Luke who tried to murder his nephew and gave up on his friends".
>>217439078>He didn't even know they killed him until someone brought it up in an interview.
>"Luke gets symbolically castrated by his father," Johnson said. "It sticks. That's why that's the one that, even though at that time I had that reaction to it, it stuck in me and it resonated with me.>"I think that anything with a passionate following always has a passionate following, and Star Wars is that, even more so. You can't be angry at one side of it when it's the reason the positive is so passionate, you know? It's all part of the same thing, and it always was like this basic thing. That's why I love it."I find it unsurprising that the man who watched ESB and saw Luke getting castrated decided to castrate him when making the movie of his own.
>>217439127>the very obvious layup JJ gave himlmao you TFAcucks are embarrassing>JJ putting Luke on a shitty empty island close to the movie studio was actually a GOOD thing!
>”It just felt like every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over,” the Force Awakens writer said. “Suddenly you didn’t care about your main character anymore because, ‘Oh f–k, Luke Skywalker’s here. I want to see what he’s going to do.’”
>>217438995He didn't care about any characters he was subverting expectations because in his mind it was le smart 200 iq thing and epic trolling.
>>217440289>>217440364Luke being MIA because he was trying to find out who Snoke was would have been way better. It also make the whole map that Luke left behind make way more sense. Also its strange that Snoke wasnt just Pelagius. Fuck man the Sequels are baffling stupid.
>>217440489If we HAD to have a sad failure hermit Luke, I would accept the KOTOR2 explanation - Luke goes into exile because he thinks that the jedi ways are flawed and always produce more sith, and it's pointless to try and be a jedi again until he figures out what's wrong with the teachings if they keep producing huge threats to the galaxy.Coming to his nephew's room with a weapon, drawing it and igniting it in contemplation of murder is way too far.
>>217440546I like the idea hes trying to figure out why people fall only to realize that there is no "perfect" code or philosophy to stop it from happening. The dark side is obviously something that should be avoided at all cost, but being cold and emotionless like the Kedi of old also isnt the answer. All you can do is what he was already doing, be understanding and compassionate for those who struggle with it. Show them there's a path back to the light. If they refuse to do so its their decision to make and he cant help everyone.
>>217438995He probably thinks acting and writing are more important than aura farming. What a hack.
>>217438995>star wars>characterslol
>>217438995JOKES ON YOU, I SUBVERTED YOUR EXPECTATIONS
>>217440546would have been better if he'd hermitted himself because either:a. his powers had gone out of control and were lashing out in his sleep even2. he had cloned his sister so he could fuck her as well as haniii. (your own idea)
>>217438995JJ already wrote him as a hermit living alone on an Island with the jedi having failed to return.not Rian's fault really.
>>217440860I agree, TFA was also bad.
>>217440289>Rian's Luke on an island in the middle of nowherethat was in JJ's marvel after credits scene
>>217440546>Luke goes into exile because he thinks that the jedi ways are flawed and always produce more sith, and it's pointless to try and be a jedi again until he figures out what's wrong with the teachings if they keep producing huge threats to the galaxy.Luke Skywalker: Lesson two. Now that they're extinct, the Jedi are romanticized, deified. But if your strip away the myth and look at their deeds, the legacy of the Jedi is failure. Hypocrisy, hubris.
>>217438995What's wrong with having a character make a grave mistake and exiled himself in shame
>>217439020This, they can never take my head canon
>>217440403Nothing good about it but Rian was a moron for ignoring the setups provided in TFA just to subvert expectations and JJ had to effectively erase TLJ and cram two movies worth of content into ROTS. The sequel trilogy would have still sucked but would have been better off if JJ just directed all three for some degree of continuity.
>>217441030>JJ chose* to effectively erase TLJ and cram two movies worth of content into ROTSftfy, even the retard Trevorrow wrote a competent episode 9 that built on TLJ
>>217439628yeah it is bad. you can write a 60 hour reddit video essay all you want, but at the end of the day the movie is the movie. if the movie sucks, the movie sucks.
>>217441115Nobody can make a followup to a movie that was just starships running out of gas with a side quest about casino space horses.
>>217441196And how would you feel if someone did?
>>217438995Because he’s a leftist self-hating feminist who wanted to dunk on Luke to prop up Rey.
>>217441539>who wanted to dunk on Luke to prop up Rey.>>217440427
>>217440427>People want to see one of the most famous characters of all time back on the big screen after 40 years>Your ego is so large you refuse to do so because people will be more interested in him then your new characterIm glad everyone hates this retarded now
