Hated by criticsHated by fansWhy?
much like op, its gay and sucks
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it was just kind of dull.
it just wasn't very good. the first film wasn't much either, but Wrath of Khan was so fucking good that everything was gonna look rough after that. Even Voyage Home hasn't aged well.
>>217454956>Voyage Homewatched it last year, still thought it was great.
>>217454928>much like op, its gay and sucksRude
>>217454920We already had a light comedy episode with Star Trek IV. Shoehorning in a brother for Spock. Row Row Row Your Boat. Production values weren't up to snuff, not ILM.It does have a couple of good things going for it though, "What does God need with a starship?" and the "I need my pain!" scene. Otherwise an awful outing.
>>217454920Scotty and Uhura fugged. It's canon.
>>217455059The correct answer. I'd rather watch the Lower Decks parody because it actually had a rock monster
>Star Trek 5FIRE EVERYONE!!!!!!!
as bad as the movie is, it hasn't picked up any "well its actually kino if you really think about it" types like TMP has because V was directed by Shatner (and it shows)>>217455118they took a 55+ year old woman and paraded her around like she was 25, what were they thinking
Comfiest Trek movie by far.
>>217454920its like a weird vanity project instead of a real movie
>>217454920I never hated it. It just have a very TV movie feel to it.
>>217455347my dude hereso many people misunderstand the motion picture
*hasBut other than that it's a soulful flick and it makes you think, as well as laugh several times.
>>217455347Row row row your boat....
I think the movies got worse with each one.
>>217455567You think The Undiscovered Country is worse than The Final Frontier? Are you retarded?
>>217454920Unsatisfying maguffin.Unsatisfying retcon.Unsatisfying climax.
>>217455059>"What does God need with a starship?"Good as in it's a meme, it's fucking dumb.
>>217454920They should have called it "The Sexual Frontier"
>>217455678I forgot about that one. It's not great, but it is better than V.
>>217454956This is such a non-trekkie answer. Wrath of Khan is just a submarine warfare movie but in space. Just watch Das Boot. Not saying it's bad, but saying the other movies are bad in comparison is retarded. The Motion Picture is fucking amazing, pure psycadellic last gasp of 60s/70s sci-fi psycadellia, incredible handmade SFX, cool concepts, character and theme interwoven masterfully into the story. Voyage Home is just fun fan service, which I'd normally hate but they'd earned it by then. I understand having Wrath of Khan as your favorite and honestly you are right about Final Frontier being weak comparitively, but the first movie is a masterpiece and I urge you to give it another chance.TNG era movies are all ass though, no doubting that.
>>217454928correct about op, not about star trek>>217454956the motion picture is absolute kino
>>217456094>Just watch Das BootWhat a dismissive notion, that tells me you don't understand or haven't seen either Das Boot or Wrath of Khan.
>>217454920I liked all TOS movies except Generations.
>>217456094>>217456426anon is correct, if you want a submarine movie to compare to wrath watch U-571.
>>217457309good thing generations isn't a tos movie then
>>217454920People are coming around to it. Real fans know that it’s the truest Star Trek movie there is.
>>217457448Oh fug I mistook the OP for the motion picture. I’m retarded
>>217454920Hairbrained plot, awful forced comedy, shitty retcon villain, cardboard secondary villains.
>>217457476it's ok tardanon, we forgive you for your trespasses.
>>217454920Standards were MUCH higher back then. It's still a great watch for trekkies
>>217454956Wrath of Khan is one of the greatest films ever made, let alone in the series or genre. It’s unbelievable.
>>217457489>Hairbrained plot, yeah it is silly>awful forced comedy, honestly i don't remember any comedy bits outside of kirk and mccoy camping with spock>shitty retcon villain, eh, sybok is technically a retcon but he still works within the bounds of trek, not an unnecessary nonsensical character like michael burnham>we did spock's sibling a second time!fucking kill me>cardboard secondary villains.who are they besides either sybok's guard or the giant floating head or the prison guards? i genuinely remember only the beginning of this movie on the prison planet, the camping bit, sybok on the enterprise and then "what does god need with a starship?"keep in mind, i actually like this movie and think it gets a much unfair rap but i barely remember it lol. it really is forgettable compared to the other five.
The McCoy and his dad stuff still scares me, dunno if i could live with myself.
>>217454920Because it's a bad movie.
>>217457713hits too close to home, anon? daddy issues aren't uncommon here
>>217454920Flimsy, uninteresting premiseCheap sets and cheaper effectsShatner can't directCop out endingWith the exception of its one good scene (the 'share your pain' scene) it's piss
>>217455347this, only one I ever feel like watching
>>217456094What kind of poser bullshit is thisWrath of Khan has some of the best character writing of any Star Trek project ever, that's why people love itTMP was short on character moments which is why people were lukewarm on it
>>217457952>Wrath of Khan has some of the best character writing of any Star Trek project ever, that's why people love itoutside of khan no lolkirk's arc is total nonsense and a massive retcon of his tos personalityspock is... spockthe rest of the crew is irrelevantplus the entire time kirk's son refers to starfleet as the military, which they aren't
>>217457991You idiot
>>217454920Even numbers good. Odd numbers bad. That is the Star Trek way.
>>217458027call me what you wantcan't call me wrongit does do a decent job of continuing threads set up in tmp though, shame that storyline ends with voyage home
>>217456094> The Motion Picture is fucking amazing, pure psycadellic last gasp of 60s/70s sci-fi psycadellia, incredible handmade SFX, cool concepts,It was “me too” after 2001. From the pacing to the overwrought plot and the excruciating ending. So just watch 2001.
>>217454920all Star Trek movies are assonly the first one deserves being called a movie as far as I'm concerned and it's still mediocre
>>217457952Its another "torment Chekov" episode...
>>217457879> Flimsy, uninteresting premise>Cheap sets and cheaper effectsIt’s basically a TOS episode and would be an okay one if it were. Kirk defies God is a Shatnerian ego balloon worthy of Trek. It just didn’t have enough going to be a full length movie.
>>217458102>It just didn’t have enough going to be a full length movie.that's why there's the B plot of Sybokarguably a C plot with Kirk's camping escapades as well
>>217454920It's shit, and Star Trek is shit.
Generations is the best trek film.
>>217458102Yeah there's stuff in there which could have worked. You can see that the script has good intentions. They were legally obliged to let Shatner direct but they should have at the very least had Nimoy keep an eye on him.>>217455501Shatner's only directing experience up until that point was theater and TV. TFF had a great and very experienced director of photography, but you'd never know watching the movie. Shatner had no idea what he was doing.
>>217458253Moshi moshi baitu des.
>>217455678Undiscovered Country gets so much affirmative action just from saving ending the original crew movies on a total embarrassment
>>217456094Horatio Hornblower in space more than Das Boot
>>217458102>Kirk defies God>It's basically a TOS episodeThat's a TNG episode
It’s shitAlthough the scene of them singing at the campfire is kinoOther than that though it’s garbage
>>217458317I mean it's also a really bloody good whodunnit/ussr collapse allegory/comfy navy in space comic book action flick
