>americans made hundreds of western movies, it's the most popular genre for decades >italians decide to give it a try >their westerns completely mog all the John Wayne slop that came before
>>217471115How can you say this when bongs will scarf down this slop every weekend
there's 6 good spaghetti westerns, and 5 of them are Leone
Clint Eastwood is American not Italian and helped make those movies what they are
>>217471100Not even Italians think this
>>217471100They're pretty good
>>217471170b*ngs are more american than Evropean.
>>217471178>dollars trilogy>once upon a time in the west>djangowhat’s the other one?the trinity movies are pretty good too
>>217471178The other being The Great Silence?
>>217471332might as well just say the corbucci mud and blood trilogy at this point
>>217471326He's counting Once upon a time in America as a western
>>217471170>every weekendactually we save cuisine like that for special occasions like the King's birthday
>>217471170Brexit means brexit. Airstrip One belongs to Oceania, not Eurasia
>>217471178>"I've only seen 10 Westerns in my life, so here is my expert opinion on the entire genre."
>>217471100>Italians made hundreds of pizzas, it's their most popular type of food for decades>Americans decide to give it a try>completely mogs all the basil leaf margherita slop that came before
>>217471170>bongsBREXIT MEANS BREXIT
There are way, WAY more good American made westerns than there are Italian onesHell there are way more good American made westerns made specifically by John Ford than there are good Italian ones and I'm sure Leone would tell you that himself and would also call you a retarded faggot.
>>217471100John Wayne walked so Italians could shamelessly copy.
>>217471100lol no.t. german
>>217471326>>217471402these faggots have never seen my name is nobody
I've watched very few Westerns, just The Dollars Trilogy(+ Yojimbo, not western but I wanted the context) and Once Upon a Time in the West. Also Django Unchained if that counts lol.I absolutely loved The Good the Bad and the Ugly and Once Upon a Time in the West but would you say there are others(spaghetti or otherwise) worth watching if I didn't particularly care for Fistful of Dollars and A Few Dollars More? I'm not super interested if others are on the same level or "worse" than those two.I'm considering giving The Magnificent Seven(1960) a go(will probably want to watch the Seven Samurai) but Im open to other suggestions.
>>217471100>>217472137motherfucking Tombstone is one of the best films ever made, let alone westerns
>>217472137PLEASE tell me you've seen picrel.
I watched some classic Westerns and they're okay, but Italian ones are more entertaining. I was surprised that in the classic Westerns the main characters were often genuine cowboys - they actually tended cattle.
>>217471179He certainly plays the role of cute cowboy twink well. The dollars trilogy is basically a giant goon bender for me
>>217472368>twink>bearded and wrinklylol, he's good looking but he's far from a twink
>>217471886Can you rec some of the best from that era?
>>217472398Not being obese makes you a twink in america
>>217472295One of the best westerns I've seen, never had the experience of watching a 2h hour movie that felt that large
>>217472234you will never have a bro as loyal and as based as Doc Holliday
Isn't Rio Bravo THE Western?
go watch some john ford movies. fucking christ. at least watch some american made westerns.
>>217471100for me its sartana, sabata and day of anger
>>217471100>slopOpinion discarded
>>217471170You can thank Hitler for that.
>>217471100True.Most early westerns were Saturday morning cartoon tier, somewhat literally, ment to go to the Saturday manatee double feature where parents would drop the kids off for several hours. Black hat white hat, shoot shoot.
If you think classic-era Westerns are tame and boring, try watching Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
>>217471170Top scran
>>217472234lmao even
>>217471100You know what....fuck you Boomer.John Wayne was great
>>217472137>>217471326For Italian Westerns, The Great Silence is just about as good as the Leone classics, with the best Morricone soundtrack out of all of them.
>>217472137The original True Grit is a must see.
The Wild Bunch is the best western ever
>>217472137True Grit
>>217471640>ChAD'S PIZZA
>>217471170all jokes aside can someone explain what the """gravy""" in this pic actually is? im sure it tastes nice but it looks like vomit
>>217471189There is a 20 year period from 1960 to 1980 where italian cinema was better than Hollywood
>>217471100>>their westernsI find that whenever people say this, they mean pretty much exclusively Sergio Leone movies. You just like Sergio Leone movies. Most spaghetti westerns are cheap dogshit.Leone's westerns were not well regarded when they came out, either. Just a bunch of cliches with generic plots and empty characters.With other spaghetti westerns, most of them just flat out copy A Fistful of Dollars over and over again.
>>217473088More like 1950s-1980s. Maybe even late 1940s.
are there even american westerns with the scope and budget of the good the bad and the ugly and once upon a time in the west?
>>217473097I think django was italy but yeah there's not much else>>217473088>>217473104Any recommendations beyond westerns? I've seen shit tons of french, british and german films from those decades but not enough Italian
>>217473157
>>217473048Flour and milk and juice from whatever kind of meat you're using. Try it with chicken and a pinch of cayenne and be amazed.>>217473157Spaghetti Westerns were all made on a shoestring budget, anon. If what you mean is 'larger than life characters in a Western setting with heroic music score', Tombstone and the original True Grit certainly qualify.
>>217473157The Big Trail (1931) was an early Western that was incredibly ambitious, trying to accurately portray The Oregon Trail. >Budget: $1,250,000 (aprox $25,000,000 today).>For the film, Walsh employed 93 actors and used as many as 725 natives from five different Indian tribes. He also obtained 185 wagons, 1,800 cows, 1,400 horses, 500 buffalos and 700 chickens, pigs and dogs for the production of the film.Really fun movie to watch for a time when they really did the shit they filmed.
>>217472615>Most early westerns were Saturday morning cartoon tier, somewhat literally, ment to go to the Saturday manatee double feature where parents would drop the kids off for several hours. Black hat white hat, shoot shoot.What do you consider "early westerns" and what examples are you thinking of? American westerns have always been by far more psychological and nuanced than Italian westerns.
>>217472615>manatee
>>217473157Their budgets weren't that big, and I don't know what you mean by scope, but yes, epic westerns have always existed
>>217471100ah yes, all those cowboys italy is famous for finally getting the recognition they deserved, next we need spain making samurai flicks because the spanish samurai doesn't have enough media about it
>>217473344>Their budgets weren't that bigMeaning The Good the Bad and the Ugly, and Once Upon a Time in the West. Maybe for Italian films, but nothing compared to Hollywood
>>217473188Cinema Paradiso and life is beautiful are good but these may be closer to 90sBicycle thieves is GOAT
>>217473048First, do you even know what a gravy is? If you know, then you already answered your question.
>>217472650There’s a showing at a local theater soon, worth admission?
>>217473433gravy is a sauce made from meat juices. traditional gravy has literally never had milk in it where I live and its never once looked that creamy. it has always looked like pic related. you'd add wine and stocks if anything. That's why i asked>>217473221>Try it with chicken and a pinch of cayenne and be amazedSounds nice. I'll give it a try with some homemade biscuit type things. thanks anon
>>2174731881940s and 1950s is De Sica, Fellini, Rosselini, Visconti, Antonioni. It's their early films, but many of them are already very good.
>>217472137Magnificent Seven is good (the sequels are also fun retreads if you enjoy the first one), but the 50s is the peak of the genre>Shane>The Gunfighter>The Big Country>The Searchers>Rio Bravo>Johnny Guitar>Forty Guns>3:10 to Yuma>Winchester '73>Man of the West>The Tall T>The Tall Men>Day of the Outlaw>Warlock>The BravadosCheck some of these out and see what you like. There's a good amount of variety within the genre.
>>217471587sounds like every fag who prefwrs spaghetti westerns
>>217473188https://rateyourmusic.com/list/roby72/italian_cinema__100_essential_titles/This is a decent list that includes a little bit of everything
>>217473344 I watched the clip of the final duel The acting is awful. The writing is full of cliches Expensive set and costumes. Actors pampered in makeup, clean clothes and perfect hair. It's just like watching capeshit
American westerns really didn't get good until Peckinpah. There are some okay olders ones, but the vast majority are a fucking bore.
>>217472137Those 2 are far and away the best.Bunch of other good ones, but nothing as good
>>217473848Which Leone movie are you referring to?
>>217471170that looks good though.
>>217473886It kind of depends what you want out of a movie. American westerns generally are much better films, with better writing, acting, actual characters, etc. Spaghetti westerns are power fantasy exploitation flicks that sometimes have good music, but there isn't much else to them
>>217471178>>217471326My country's Fox Movies plays Western movies almost non-stop. I can tell you've never watched more than 12 westerns.
>>217473157>budgetisn't the whole thing about Spaghetti westerns is that they were cheap as hell?
>>217473241Kino
>>217472137Unforgiven
>>217472137Duck, you sucker!
My only problem with pre 60's westerns is the lack of facial hair. The most you would get was a couple character actors with a beard or tiny mustache.
>>217473221>>217474064He didn't say Spaghetti Westerns in general, but specifically TGTBTU and Once Upon a Time which both had significant Hollywood budgets. But even Spaghetti Westerns overall, even with a low budget, look fine for the most part as it was significantly cheaper to shoot in Europe with local actors.
>>217474064you cant possibly look at the different locations, elaborate sets and huge amount of extras in the tgtbtu and ouatitw and think they were cheap
>>217473048It's brit cum but nowadays it's muslims' cum.
>>217471100>their westerns completely mog all the John Wayne slop that came before>Burger critics get so buttblasted that they lambast these films as uncinematic slop and shut them out of all major awards despite their popularity and artistic mastery>films are so popular that they're an instrumental part of the destruction of burger's anti-art retarded puritan hayes codesThere's something fundamentally hilarious on a spiritual level about spaghetti westerns mogging classical westerns so hard that they pretty much replaced the genre in all pop culture references
>>217474208Made-for-TV movies do that shit. It's not that expensive to shoot, especially for a scene that doesn't really focus on them in any detail.
>>217473157>he doesn't know about the Heaven's Gate fiasco
>>217473404>>217473654>>217473844thank you kings. I'll go chronologically
>>217474208>they blew up the bridge but forgot to film so they had to rebuild the bridge so they can blow it up again and film it
>>217474293do yourself a favor and rewatch those movies. dont be naive
>>217473848>The Big Country>final dualhuh?
>>217474267>Burger criticsItalian critics called them shit when they came out. Americans were more open to them, finding them at least charming homages even if unoriginal and a bit goofy.>spaghetti westerns mogging classical westerns so hard that they pretty much replaced the genre in all pop culture referencesSpaghetti westerns didn't come out of nowhere. They were made up of already well established western tropes and cliches
>>217474262That's a photo of american biscuits and gravy. did I miss something in the news or?
>>217474343They look good because of the cinematography. They weren't expensive to make
>>217474293fistful of dollars 1961 - $200 000the good the bad and the ugly 1966 - 1.2 milliononce upon a time in the west 1968 - 5 million
Spaghetti Westerns came from Karl May, John Ford, and Lucky Luke comics.
>>217471100And yet, the best spaghetti western is Japanese.
>>217474431ramen westerns?
>>217474208turn that got dang mexico filter off
>>217471178There's maybe less than 10 great western movies and 6 of them are ItalianBurgers get mogged even in the genres they invented
>>217474647Your blinding hatred prevents you from enjoying quality art.
>>217471170Terrible weather, awful food, you have to feel sorry for them. Only good thing is Bong gardens.
>>217474412At the same time, American westerns like The Professionals, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, and The Sons of Katie Elder had budgets of $6m. How the West Was Won cost $15m
>>217471100Spaghetti is popcorn fun. If you want a sense of struggle + pushing uphill, American westerns. Stagecoach is still cool, then the Anthony Mann westerns are cozy thinkers.
>>217474353You have no context on what italian film criticism was like at the time, burger. If a film wasn't openly politicized, naturally with contemporary leftist values, it was treated as less than shit. That was the fate of all italian genre cinema of the 60s and 70s, that wasn't reevaluated until even decades later.
>>217474335>almost get Clint killed by a piece of shrapnelhttps://youtu.be/q951qv7EbKs?t=26
>>217472137>I'm considering giving The Magnificent Seven(1960) a go(will probably want to watch the Seven Samurai) but Im open to other suggestions.Watch Seven Samurai first so you can experience the true depths of disappointment when you watch The Magnificent Seven.
>>217474838Even Kurasawa liked The Magnificent Seven. You might as well tell people to watch Yojimbo instead of A Fistful of Dollars
>>217474801who the fuck would play blondie if clint died!?
>>217474890Charles Bronson.
>>217471326Duck, You Sucker (or once upon a time in the revolution) is also a Leone spaghetti western that I'd say is better than A Fistful of Dollars.
>>217473048Add flour to fat to create a roux. In that example you'd cook the sausage and use the fat from the sausage. Once you cook your roux to wear you want it, light in that case, you add milk to create a gravy, season it as desired, add the sausage and serve over biscuits.
>>217474890Leone originally wanted James Coburn when he made A Fistful of Dollars but he couldn't afford him at the time. He settled for Clint Eastwood
>>217474954>we will never get a james coburn and henry fonda good bad and ugly (eli was based as tuco so he stays)ai cant come to fruition soon enough....
>>217474850Fistful is better though
>>217471100The problem with westerns is, they were never good to begin with. They were based on the nickel pulp fiction books about the ooold west, most of which were sold to american printers but actually published by british companies & writ by british authors writing for also british audiences. The brits bought the shit out of them, fantasizing about wild romantic tales of gold and savages and new beginnings in the sunshine in the land god really meant to set aside for them, his true chosen ppl. When the escapism from industrial revolution hell proved to be a hot topic, the titles were then exported over to the US for the city plebs to read about their “wild frontier”. …having 0 connection to any source even from this continent. The authors didn’t travel to the frontier to write about it, they didn’t have anyone to ask, they’d simply take the names of towns and tribes and invent their stories, which is fine bc its fiction. But those are the books that westerns were based on until about the mid-1990s, and a few generations in a row grew up watching them and the tv shows by extension, and think thsts actually what the wild west was probably like. It was not, we have historical records describing daily life and major events in great detail, usuakly from many sources and perspectives. The real shit is far more interesting than any feature length movie could ever squeeze in, it makes no sense to even try. Westerns are objectively shit or rather they’re not, their audiences are largely shit. Either way everything is pretty fucked and movies suck,
I giorni dell'iraFaccia a facciaIl grande duelloLa resa dei contiDa uomo a uomo10000 dollari per un massacroThese has some of the best spaghetti westerns you can watch after you're done with the usual ones. Obviously don't go in expecting Leone, but they're solid B movies with good scripts and performances. Generally if Lee Van Cleef is in it, it's good.
>>217475011>The problem with westerns is, they were never good to begin with. They were based on the nickel pulp fiction books about the ooold west, most of which were sold to american printers but actually published by british companies & writ by british authors writing for also british audiences. The brits bought the shit out of them, fantasizing about wild romantic tales of gold and savages and new beginnings in the sunshine in the land god really meant to set aside for them, his true chosen ppl. When the escapism from industrial revolution hell proved to be a hot topic, the titles were then exported over to the US for the city plebs to read about their “wild frontier”. …having 0 connection to any source even from this continent. The authors didn’t travel to the frontier to write about it, they didn’t have anyone to ask, they’d simply take the names of towns and tribes and invent their stories, which is fine bc its fiction. But those are the books that westerns were based on until about the mid-1990s, and a few generations in a row grew up watching them and the tv shows by extension, and think thsts actually what the wild west was probably like. It was not, we have historical records describing daily life and major events in great detail, usuakly from many sources and perspectives. The real shit is far more interesting than any feature length movie could ever squeeze in, it makes no sense to even try. Westerns are objectively shit or rather they’re not, their audiences are largely shit. Either way everything is pretty fucked and movies suck,
>>217474954>>217474989Steve McQueen would have been perfect for blondie
>>217471100The problem is that all westerns are boring and derivative. This goes for western books and games too. It’s just a fundamentally boring setting.
>>217475174I disagree. I think it's the perfect setting for any kind of story.
>>217475160paul newman blondie, imagine....
>>217475174>It’s just a fundamentally boring setting.why?
>>217474850Yeah, no, that isn't my opinion. In my opinion, Yojimbo and Fistful of Dollars are both really good movies. Seven Samurai is one of the best movies ever made and the Magnificent Seven is an absolute hackjob. That's my opinion and that's why that's what I said.
>>217473048it's literally just milk, flour, sausage, and black pepper
