Genocide edition.previously on /trek/>>217458229
star trek sex with shran
Why did she spy on the Nips?
star trek platonic friendship with shran
>>217473604:3that too
>>217473602J. Edgar Hoover ordered her to do it.
>>217473602Sum Ting Wong
>You will never belong to that other life. And if you leave, you will never belong to this one. You'll be caught between worlds
>>217473602That was such a bizarre episode
star trek race war now
>>217473677
>there is something else you can learn. With an alert crew, even our primitive vocal communications are unnecessary. With a single look I was able to inform my crew that I wanted this to be the thread.
Maquis are stupid faggots who are wrong about everything and deserved to get gassed.they were put on that planet by the Federation so they can pioneer LARP. they didn't do shit without the Fed so when they Fed says >Actually this border planet belongs to Cardassia nowthey have NO standing other than their precious sentimental feefees about the dirt roads and adobe buildings they made that they could make anywhere fucking else to refuse. if they want to say they aren't Federation citizens anymore then fine. get bombed by Cardies and shut the fuck up. but no, they still want the Federation's protection. they're some of the most loathsome retarded cunts in Star Trek. their point of view is literally just entitlement and delusion.
>>217473776>Does that mean we can stay?
>>217473832>source: I am schizophrenic
>>217473864it's an editorializing, not a statement of fact. it doesn't require a source
>source: my local white power group
Rom fucking Leeta makes me angry. I don't want his hands to touch her.
>>217473967calm down Quark
>>217473967Rom's penis is two feet long
I agree about the Maquis with the other anon. They don't really have any leg to stand on.They moved into disputed territory on the border of an aggressive, expansionist power. Cardassia occupied Bajor for 50 fucking years and they surely took other worlds in their past as well.It's like if a bunch of outsiders, not people native to the region, just moved to the Gaza Strip and get pissed when a war breaks out and a treaty makes them fucking move.You can't move into an area like that and get offended when it, of course, becomes an unstable hotbed between two vying powers and then act like you had no idea how this could possibly happen to you. Oh no, please pity me! I'm an opportunist land-grabber that decided to live on the surface of Hell and is now complaining about the heat!
>>217473988I agree but only if it's established that the Maquis settled there after Cardassia was well known, I'm not sure it is.
>>217473988Especially since they wouldn't be losing anything. It's the fucking federation, just fuck off back to earth where literally everything you could ever want is provided for you. Why were they so attached to staying on those planets?
>>217473988it was federation territory when they moved there. they didnt want help from the feds, only to be allowed to defend themselves from the cardies. the maquis were right about everything and sisko was wrong about everything. its the worst written saga of the series by far.
>>217474037itwastheirh o m e
>>217473776Is this the episode where Data was able to intuit nonverbal social cues because the plot needed him to?
>>217474015How could it not be? According to DS9, Cardassia has been Cardassia for hundreds of years as far as its authoritarian state-ist regimes and expansionist ideals. They occupied Bajor for half a century and we know for a fact that the Obsidian Order has been tangling with the Romulans and the Klingons for centuries due to things Garak has said. There's no reason for us to believe Cardassia has ever been any different as far as its outward-facing disposition.>>217474039>it was federation territoryAnd how exactly do you think that border was drawn up? By some other treaty, no doubt. But again, it doesn't change the fact that these people had to know what they were getting into.I don't think I'd move to the fucking ghetto if I was adverse to criminal activity. Would you?The UFP is fucking gigantic, almost incomprehensibly so, there had to be hundreds of other M-class worlds the Maquis could've settled on in less disputed territories.Which is why in the original TNG episode, the best excuse they could come up with for why they HAD to live on that planet was some native american "the spirits told us" bullshit.
>>217474080its from the one where picard gets kidnapped and replaced by a much better copy
>>217473562Colonel Green did literally nothing wrong
>>217473562test
Why do the threads keep splitting?
>>217474089its more like a frenchman moving to louisiana frontier in the 1750s and then napoleon sells it to some dickheads called americans and then when you try to defend yourself the french wage war against you instead of staying the fuck out of it.
>>217474113Neither did Kodos the Executioner.
>>217474089>Which is why in the original TNG episode, the best excuse they could come up with for why they HAD to live on that planet was some native american "the spirits told us" bullshit.I liked the DS9 episode where the Gamma Quad refugees were like "Our religious texts had foretold our promised land was what you call Bajor. You must take in all three million of us." and the Provisional Bajor government was like "Fuck off we're full".>>217474108Yeah. And the next episode he was back to "I am operating at full efficiency" androidspeak.
>>217474089
>>217474089>How could it not be? According to DS9, Cardassia has been Cardassia for hundreds of years as far as its authoritarian state-ist regimes and expansionist ideals. They occupied Bajor for half a century and we know for a fact that the Obsidian Order has been tangling with the Romulans and the Klingons for centuries due to things Garak has said. There's no reason for us to believe Cardassia has ever been any different as far as its outward-facing disposition.Not every ship is an exploration ship, not every part of the sector is well-charted, and not every ship has the warp and communication capabilities of the Federation's flagship vessel, nor has such a thing always been possible. There are any number of other reasons that a group of people might find an uninhabited star system with a habitable planet and settle there without knowing the full political status of the region. (It might even be a case of joining an existing planet, or being stranded in a region of space and being forced to settle.) In fact, an uninhabited star system with a habitable planet on the edge of an expansionist empire suggests that, at one point, it was not on the edge of that empire or they were not in an expansion phase.
>>217474210narbag timtam, bumbling time traveler
>>217474268wtf is narbag timtam?
>>217474251>ration's flagship vessel, nor has such a thing always been possible. There are any number of other reasons that a group of people might find an uninhabited star system with a habitable planet and settle there without knowing the full political status of the region.they didn't "find" shit. they were put there by the Federation as colonists and given everything they needed to start off. these are not random explorers of unknown space staking claim to random planets. they knew where they were going.
Federation: You live in a neutral zone.Also Federation: No we will not let you protect yourselves from Cardassians breaking the neutrality treaty, killing you and raping your women.Also Also Federation: We sold your homes to the Cardassians. They are your new landlords.Also Also Also Federation: You aren't our citizens anymore but if you defend yourselves we're going to imprison and kill you.Also Also Also Also Federation: All of citizens are against this but we're doing it anyway.
>>217474351They refused cardassian rule.
>>217474332It's an Australian snack.
>>217474251>In fact, an uninhabited star system with a habitable planet on the edge of an expansionist empire suggests that, at one point, it was not on the edge of that empire or they were not in an expansion phase.Makes no sense. This is like saying Rome wasn't an expansionist empire because they never took the lands beyond Parthia.The Cardassians are ultimately C+ players. They probably were too bogged down in terms of their limited resources to expand in that particular direction. There are a million conceivable reasons why they might not have taken the DMZ worlds yet.
>>217474390nobody was trying to "rule" them. they were being told to get the fuck off Cardie land and they can do their little pioneer LARP on a different patch of dirt.
>>217474375There's no way the Federation is saying to UFP colonists: Yes, move to these neutral zones and demilitarized zones! They're safe and we will support you no matter what!No, the logical assumption is that the Federation probably told these people "this is not a good idea" and they just did it anyway.
>>217474415>direction The cardies are warp capable.
>>217474447You don't just take territory piecemeal. What, you'd take Chicago and leave Memphis and St. Louis uncaptured on your flank?No, you consolidate and push in a linear fashion, warp tech or not.
>>217474424>their little pioneer LARPHow do you think worlds are colonized?
>>217474244The Cardassians are embarrassingly small.
>>217474470White men stick their dick in the planet.
>>217474470Terraforming, if necessary, and then industrial replicators do 99% of the work.There's even a story in DS9 where Eddington steals some industrial replicators they're trying to give to the Cardassians as part of some agreement.
>>217474470their mindset is what makes it LARPing. they were given everything needed to survive by the Federation even little prefab structures they could live in and at any time could just call them up and go home if they wanted to but they have a mindset like they actually struggled to the degree that would make sense for them to be willing to fucking die for heirloom tomatoes. it's a LARP and they act like a cult.
>>217474351The Federation would probably support and adopt any colony with anything resembling Federation citizens on the edge of their space whether it was initially sanctioned and planned or not for whatever reason.Again, is there anything supporting that this is how those worlds were founded or just your headcanon? And when those worlds were founded is more important than why they were founded. Unless if there's a timeline of when they were founded, how much we knew about Cardassia, what Cardassia was doing at the time, how close their borders were, it's all just headcanon.>>217474415>There are a million conceivable reasons why they might not have taken the DMZ worlds yetAnd plenty of those conceivable reasons make it reasonable to settle in those areas. All I'm saying is unless if there's more info, this idea that the Maquis settled in that area of space with full knowledge of the Cardassian threat is headcanon.
>>2174735622 more days until new ACK
>>217474424>>217474440Untrue. Cool off.
New episode of Star Trek: Starfleet Academy this Thursday:S01E03 "Vitus Reflux" - While our cadets compete to join an elite team at the Academy, a battle of escalating pranks breaks out between Starfleet Academy and a rival school. Tensions rise fast, threatening their newly-emerging bonds and a blossoming romance.Wearing braided twin tails with your battle suit is so adorable.
>>217474544why the fuck are you speaking when you don't even watch the show? fuck off.
>>217474551>CORRETpottery
>>217474551AND THE FANS...
>>217474409which travels through time solving time crimes
>>217474544>this idea that the Maquis settled in that area of space with full knowledge of the Cardassian threat is headcanon.No, it's just basic logical deduction.You cannot dispute that the Cardassians were dangerous. Let's characterize them as some kind of dangerous animal, like a grizzly bear.The Maquis chose to settle, knowingly, very close to a grizzly bear's den.They knew the risk. Beyond that, the 'risk' is verified when, what do you know, an actual war breaks out between Starfleet and the Cardassians that results ultimately in the new treaty that pushes them off of their new homeworlds. But I think they say this war goes on for like 5 years or something in The Wounded, could be wrong about that, but at any rate these people know the UFP and Cardies are fighting and are basically forced to be battlegrounds in said conflict and they STILL don't move.
>>217474585> AND THE FANS...Fan. AND THE FAN. Even thats a bit generous
>>217474569My last DS9 rewatch was a few years ago, if there's something I'm forgetting tell me. I genuinely and repeatedly asked initially if anything was established regarding the settling timeline. All I got in respnse is "how could it not be that way", not any specific established lore. How else am I supposed to respond?
>>217474564I look forward to skipping through it muted.
>>217474223the injun is played by the same actor who played chakotays grandfather. i think that is interesting
>>217474616i'm not spoonfeeding you stupid cunt. if you want to argue know the fuck what you're talking about.
>>217474609Nah, it's headcanon and you know it.
>>217474609Starfleet command does not have the authority to declare war.
>I don't remember the show so everything you say is just your headcanon.
>>217474651War? It's only a war if they fight back. Worf, fire photon torpedos.
>>217474643If you're saying my point of view is headcanon that also means that yours is as well, just even more unfounded.>>217474651Semantic argument that is irrelevant to the point. What the hell does UFP declaring war instead of Starfleet change exactly?
>>217474609>You cannot dispute that the Cardassians were dangerousYou can't assume they had full and complete knowledge of that risk, or that the risk even seemed to be significant at the time they settled. Unless if there's established info I'm missing.>>217474633I don't want to argue, I genuinely want to learn what I'm forgetting about the Maquis, if anything. I have been pulled into an argument about assuming complete information.
>>217474222fleeing instead of being held accountable for his neccesary and correct actions was a mistake. very dishonerable.
>>217474673Starfleet declaring war would be an illegal act.
>>217474673>If you're saying my point of view is headcanon that also means that yours is as well, just even more unfounded.I'm NTA but I am the main person asking about this. I have no specific headcanon here, I just want to highlight the various *possibilities* of settling without full and complete info on the Cardassians and want to know if it's established one way or the other.
So, looks like that sad review bombing by the anger puppets has failed. Real Trekkies win again.
>>217474440>The Federation and the Cardassians settled a large number of planets in close proximity to each other>Although the Federation relinquished claims to all planets occupied by Cardassian colonies, the Cardassians sought to annex several crucial worlds along the border, including Setlik III.>a ceasefire ended the long conflict>Maxwell knew of a military transport station in an area of space where Cardassians had a jumping off point into three Federation sectors.>Maxwell expressed his frustration with Federation bureaucrats. He considered the peace treaty a ruse to give the Cardassians room to regroup. Determined to preserve the peace no matter what the cost, Picard insisted that what the Cardassians did was irrelevant.>After Maxwell was apprehended, it turned out that he was right all along>It took another three years for a final peace treaty to be negotiated, and although the questions of territory were finally settled, neither side was entirely happy with the solution. >Much more controversial, however, was the exchange of colonies which was to take place.>Following the Dorvan agreement, colonists on many other worlds also refused to abandon their homes and demanded to be permitted to stay on their colonies. Both the Federation Council and the Cardassian Central Command acquiescedtl;dr both Federation and Cardassia have bordering planets, Cardassia chimps out and tries to conquer because they're a scorpion. Federation makes them sign a peace treaty. Cardassia keeps up hostilities. Federation sells off a bunch of planets against everyone's wishes (wtf?) because they want Cardassia to take their rightful place on the council. Colonists leave fed. Cardassia chimps out again and colonists defend themselves. Fed decides "nope you can't leave us we're going to jail you". Nobody leaves paradise. Eat it, Ben. Maxwell was right. Picard was wrong. Good people died.
>>217474078No one can own land heeya hooya
>>217474679>You can't assume they had full and complete knowledge of that risk, or that the risk even seemed to be significant at the time they settled.They certainly knew it when the fucking war depicted in The Wounded broke out, anon. And it had been years since O'Brien had seen Maxwell and the treaty that created the Maquis in the first place was just being drawn up -- this means the conflict has gone on for years.Basically, they're living on the Ukranian front and deciding not to move and then after the war is over and the Russians are given their territory, they're going to refuse to go and start launching terrorist attacks against Ukraine for conceding their homes, even though, in this situation, Ukraine is the UFP, has infinite resources, has thousands of M-class worlds upon which to settle them, etc, and they have no fucking reason to stay in the first place.The Maquis are a bunch of fucking retards.
>>217474710>origami chicken
What are the chances of a 4k edition of the OG,Ng etc.?
>>217474770100% if you suck Kurtzmann off to completion.
>>217474673If you're saying my point of view is even more unfounded, that also means yours is as well, just even more unfounded.
>>217474780That'll be all, crewman.
I don't know about you guys, but everyone at my work is talking about Stranger Things
ORIGAMI CHICKEN JOCKEY
>>217474804What about the Kitomer accords?
>>217474564It looks like another Naked Time plot because people were naked in the previews. So that’s now LD and ACK going to that well.
>>217474729>Federation sells off a bunch of planets against everyone's wishes (wtf?)You were doing well until your bias just exploded into your argument, sinking it entirely. The Feds don't 'sell off' anything, they draw up a DMZ as part of the peace treaty after three years of fucking painstaking negotiation.>well, neither side is satisfied!That's the fucking essence of compromise.And yes, maybe the Cardassians are playing it fast and loose with the rules but the UFP/Starfleet perspective is that a piece of shit will eventually reveal himself, publically, as a piece of shit and then at that point, you can act. But Maxwell went too far, did it without authorization, and was fighting a one-man war against an enemy that was secretly trying to re-arm. He was attacking the scorpion as it was regrowing its tail instead of waiting to be stung, then settling the score, which is how a peaceful society like the UFP has to do business to maintain its diplomatic disposition.Basically, Maxwell did many things wrong and the ends do not justify the means.
Im going to do something crazy.... Im going to watch Deep Space Nine before ever watching Next Generation.
>>217474867that's not really crazy but I do think you would get better enjoyment out of DS9 by having seen TNG first
>>217474867I will have to disallow that.
>>217474867You can but you shouldn’t. That would be like watching RotK before Two Towers.
>>217474846>The Feds don't 'sell off' anything, they draw up a DMZ as part of the peace treaty after three years of fucking painstaking negotiation.Wrong. The DMZ already existed for years at that point. The Federation redrew the border so that some Federation worlds entered the DMZ to become neutral and others came under Cardassia control directly. They did this as an exchange to extend the peace treaty i.e. they sold off Federation worlds.
>>217474907>Wrong.>restates the anon's post as his own argumenttake your meds.
>>217474907Why would the UFP give in like that?
Whats the general opinion on Enterprise?
>>217474939I like it but opinions are mixed. They hired Manny Coto too late to make a difference.
>>217474907New DMZ, old DMZ, the point remains exactly the same and that detail certainly has nothing to do with Maxwell, just the Maquis, and doesn't alter my argument at all (which you did not address).
>>217474867i had already seen almost everything here and there over the years but my first full watchthrough was ENT VOY DS9 TNG TOS. watched each series in order. made me appreciate tng and tos more.
>>217474939it's fighting for eternal 4th place with voyager, right behind TOS, TNG, and DS9 making up spots 1, 2, and 3, in no particular order
>>217474939Incredibly boring because none of the characters are interesting and none of the conflict is ever internal.
>>217474564
>>217474971>none of the conflict is ever internal.the Malcom/Hayes bromance was like the only thing actually keeping my interest in the characters for a while
>>217474953Lower your voice.
>>217474564>While our cadets Don't try and dump those losers on me, Kurtz. Those are YOUR cadets to deal with.>Tensions rise fast, threatening their newly-emerging bonds and a blossoming romance.Tig sex scene
why is jemimadar a da ting go *braap*istani
>>217475252I said you are relieved.
>>217474710Add that to the list of defeated copes>it only got 18k views on youtube!>well okay, but it barely got any views on P+!>well okay, but it had a bad RT score!
Nutrek is gay.
>>217475312no?
all of those things remain true
>>217475420I defer to your expertise on "gay".
