Why does Conan the Barbarian get talked about as just another cheesy 80's action movie with mostly 7/10 reviews? It's a movie with a vision and it executes it flawlessly, you can tell everyone was on the same page. So what does this movie lack to be considered an all time great?>dialogue too simpleYes, that's what makes it great, it fits the movie perfectly>plot is simpleYes, it should be simple, it's the hero's journey, it's like saying the Iliad is too simple, it's an adventure>arnold's acting was badFits perfectly with the character>didn't stay true to the comic book characterWho gives a fuck
>>217485287Grow up manchild.
>>217485847You are a homosexual
>>217485847post your cucktails and programmer socks
>>217485287>Why does Conan the Barbarian get talked about as just another cheesy 80's action movie with mostly 7/10 reviews?Stupid shit happening during the ending fight (the love interest appearing as a ghost, goofy slapstick stuff) makes you kind of emotionally detach.from the plot.
>>217485287Conan was underrated in its time, it sure as shit is not now.
>>217485851>>217485866>Muh proto capeshit is actually kino dude, trust me.Pathetic. In fact, I can't think of a single capeshit with acting as bad as this movie.
>>217485287>It's a movie with a vision and it executes it flawlesslyyeah and that vision is to be a cheesy 80s action movie.
>>217485905>the love interest appearing as a ghostyou literally didnt understand the movie
>>217485933I consider it underrated because nobody considers it a top 5 movie OAT, most people don't even consider it the best Arnold movie. Probably because the plot and characters aren't too complex or deep, but for me it shows there's more to a movie's greatness than just the writing.
>>217485955No skin off my back, it's not a test.
>>217485972>underrated because nobody considers it a top 5 movie OATBecause they're not cringe manchildren.
>>217485953Not really, the movie takes itself seriously and forces you to take it seriously. It doesn't denigrate its own themes for the sake of humor like a lot of other movies, especially more modern movies, and it sticks to the story of the masculine epic hero perfectly, with music that elevates its grandiosity and grusome combat that makes it feel real.
>>217486001you're a dunning-kruger 100 IQ midwit zoomer who probably hasnt seen the movie and if you did, anything below the surface went right over your head
>>217486100>Grug mommy dead, grug want revengeVery deep. Very grown up.
>>217485287It’s an unironic 10/10 adventure movie. Don’t listen to the other people.
>>217486127yep thanks for proving my point. go watch a video essay so you can be told what to think
>>217485287>arnold's acting was badhe actually has one of his finest acting moments in a deleted scene. it was restored with the dvd release though. shouldve kept it in from the beginning, I think it really rounds out subotai as wellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okpByy-F_WA
>>217486148I am just pulling your leg for (you)s. Calm down.
>>217485287/tv/ treats it like a 10/10I don't know what other gay homo websites you've been on but obviously they don't know what they're talking about
>>217486100>anything below the surfaceThere's nothing below the surface though. Everything in the movie is to be taken at face value, it raises no questions and has no remarkable references.
>>217485287My favorite part is when Conan and Subotai run off into the sunset with Theology/Civilization playing in the background. It's very comfy.https://youtu.be/mMVmW0k9jZI?si=as6mB6NT13cqgcQa
>>217486229I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is sarcasm even though it could just as easily be unironic
>>217486208Pretty much everywhere, imdb, rotten tomatoes, reddit, youtube, everything I looked up about the movie treats it as just a cheesy 80's movie. >inb4 you're a retard for using these websitesThey all suck the balls of other great movies, but this one they kinda minimize. Probably because it's about masculinity and the will to survive rather than some faggy ass overly complex tranny slop that insists upon itself.
>>217486260>Probably because it's about masculinity and the will to surviveits about a guy who develops big muscles during a timeskip being an action hero. it's standard power/validation fantasy schlock with a good V.O. and monologue bit at the start.
>>217486260It's toxic masculinity. For examples of positive masculinity look at Waymond from Everything Everywhere All At Once.
>>217486282>it's standard power/validation fantasy schlockno you're just poorly read
>>217486260There are many great movies that get like a 6.6 on review sites. I guess Conan is in a way surprising since it is a classic at this point. I suppose there haven't been enough youtube videos explaining the movie since it requires the smallest bit of thought to understand what the movie is saying.
>>217486259Anything but actually proving my point wrong.
>>217485287I agree. Actually prefer this one film to the entirety of the Hobbit for example.
>>217486299ok so you are being unironic. i'm not going to spoonfeed you the finer points especially since you've already made up your mind. you just genuinely failed to grasp subtext and the broader philosophical theme
>>217486346Lol, I can tear you from limb to limb.
It was made in an ancient time where filmmakers were allowed to take risks. Also the sequel sucked so that probably didn't help its reputation.
>>217486284Nta but for examples of positive masculinity use a rope and a ladder on your self.
>>217485851homosex is great you are just jealous I bet you wish you had sex with homos too but you just won't admit it I get it
>>217485287Wdym? Conan is a classic and regarded as kino by tons of people
>>217486182saw a cut of Conan with this scene in it at a screening at a local cinemahigh kino
>>217486346As I said, anything but actually proving my point wrong.If you believed your own bullshit about Connan having "le finer points" you would be able to spit out at least something other than deflection and bitchiness.
>>217486299I'm not the guy you replied to, but there are a lot of themes in this movie>brutality of humanity, especially in its more primitive stages, might makes right etc.>conan's will to survive and thrive, not allow himself to die>the riddle of steel, and how at the start Conan gets given the answer, steel you can trust, but eventually he does find companions, and he also realizes it's not the steel itself but the human will that makes him strong>thulsa doom, by killing Conan's people, also gave him his will and strengthThe movie isn't overly complex, it's not really trying to argue about anything, but under the surface it has really strong themes that it carries just through action instead of much commentary
>>217486377See this is what I am talking about. Men watching awful films like conan end up as insecure, petty and mean spirited individuals like yourself. No wonder modern men have a loneliness epidemic. They've been immersed in toxic and destructive garbage.
>>217485287It's not ashamed of itself, and a lot of faggots, especially millennials, can't relate to that.
>>217486405I don't really care about proving anything to you, and I care even less about relating to you the deeper themes of something you not only failed to understand but are actively fighting to understand. I just wanted you to know that there is something elusive that you're too retarded to notice
>>217485847t.
>>217486440TRVKE
>>217486442You're not comfortable in your own skin. That's why you project like this.
>>217486440Yeah, a lot of more modern hero movies feel like they must do commentary on and satirize the concept of the hero, and the audience is insecure in projecting themselves into the hero's shoes because they are all faggots
>>217485287It's a great movie, finally watched it fully a year ago and I gotta say it's been a long too long in fact time where a movie gave me that old nostalgic childhood classic fantasy feeling.It also reminded me how much I missed the old sound and visual quality the older movies had unlike the special effect slop nowdays.It's such a shame that the second movie wasn't as good, but even that one had one good part in it, that tomb scene felt like the original film and was as enjoyable.
>>217485847Very gay post
>>217486479>it's projecting if you accurately clock the energy of a postwhatever you say sweetie
>>217485287I've never met anyone who thinks this is a 'cheesy action movie', pretty much everyone has agreed its a metaphor and suprsingly moral film about will and its power.
>>217486427>but there are a lot of themes in this movieI never denied the existence of themes.I'm just saying there's nothing "under the surface", and there isn't, the movie is to be taken at face value and is not metaphorical, allegorical, satirical or in any way intended or particularly suitable for complex interpretation of any kind. You can overanalyze anything and project some kind of deeper meaning, including the banner gifs on 4chan, but that doesn't mean there's anything actually in there.>>217486441>I just wanted you to know that there is something elusive that you're too retarded to noticeI don't trust you and have no reason to trust you as you're rude, stupid, and constantly running away from the point.You should've picked a better movie to posture about secretly being deep and not just your socially acceptable outlet for gay fantasies.
>>217485287Fantastic soundtrack and my favorite Poledouris work.
>>217486440>>217486481Self-awareness is a trait of the sophisticated mind. When you're well read and seen enough movies, this kind of earnestness and melodrama in what is otherwise a simple minded movie. So a wink to the audience here and there telling them they're in on the joke and yes they realise it's goofy allows them to assuage the guilt of watching crude films such as this.
Nobody understands Conan like I do . He's literally me. Except I'm a computer nerd NEET. that's the riddle of steel.
>>217486505And the fact that there's nothing allegorical, metaphorical, or satirical about it is what makes it great. Every movie nowadays has to try to wink at the audience, be a meta commentary about something, satirize some aspect of society or old traditions etc. It's more of a reflection of how humans have grown insecure in the concepts of good/evil, and masculinity and heroes, rather than this movie being bad.
>>217486529ok joss whedon
>>217486498You sound very repressed. I suggest you visit a gay bar and explore yourself. Who knows? Maybe you'll have some fun.
>>217486532I just told you I don't care about your opinion and I recognize that you're trying to crawl back from a lost argument and pretend you were right about everything all along by conceding to something else I said. In other movies, fuck you retarded faggot nigger.
>>217486529>defending such faggotryYou haven't grown out of /co/. Go back
>>217486549Grow up. Watch a Godard film or Tarkovsky movie. Maybe you'll gain self-awareness.
>>217486542tell it to em queen
>>217486529Thinking self-awareness makes you above the common mind is a trait of the midwit, and of the insecure herd-minded. If you can't enjoy something at face value for the story it has to tell, and instead need it to denigrate something or itself, then you are insecure about what people think about you. You imagine that society would laugh at you if you were true to yourself and therefore must deconstruct and minimize your own desires. If you as a man can't see yourself in Conan's shoes, as a great hero that thrives through his own strength and will alone, then you are, sorry to say, a faggot.
>>217486551ok retard
>>217486548I didn't concede shit retard, the depth of a movie isn't measured by how much meta commentary it can fit in for a modern audicence, go stick your dildo up your ass
>>217486558>>217486570You're clearly a repressed homosexual. Do you get off watching Arnie's muscle bound form?
>>217486548Lol you're replying to two different people and conflating their arguments retard, thats why you're legitimately too stupid for me to even entertain a discussion with
>>217486582>you can appreciate masculinity and realize its importance for a man, therefore you want to have sex with itFreud-tier reddit babble, you are insecure
>>217486590You keep taking my baits despite me telling you that I am trolling you. It's pretty funny.
>>217486440This. Film was ruined by irony. Whedonshit is by definition dishonest filmmaking.
>>217486610>merely pretending
>>217485287>Why does Conan the Barbarian get talked about as just another cheesy 80's action movie with mostly 7/10 reviews?because most if not all reviewers used to be fags (today there are also many hags); nothing wrong with that, but most certainly something wrong with people promoting and imposing the opinion of such degenerates (and in general the opinions of actors etc. who are practically whores)
>>217486529This man. He has never heard the lamentations of the women.
>>217486551>anon you need to just take it up the ass, come out as LGBT, and vote Democrat... otherwise you are a faggot!lol
>>217485287Better films.GladiatorThe NorthmanBraveheart
>>217486643>Gladiatorboring>The Northmanunder-the-radar LGBT slop that's also a bad movie>BraveheartI won't watch a movie about people fighting over the privilege of living in the dark damp countryside because they are too dumb to build a boat or too chickenshit to sail away
>>217486670But you'll watch a muscle bound homo talk about swords and shit don't you little cocksucker?
>>217486182This scene is in my copy of the movie. Can't believe it was cut.
>>217486670Maximus is the kind of man who would conquer and use conan as a slave. That's more masculine and more true to the spirit of western civilisation.
>>217486643Gladiator is good but retroactively ruined by the sequel, should've been left alone. Northman is ok but too similar to Conan while having inferior overall elements like the soundtrack.Braveheart is based on real history, granted it's heavily fictionalized, but not really an apt comparison to a fantasy movie.
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>>217486626>because most if not all reviewers are for-hire shillsyeah and they still are what's your pointPredator got negative reviews on release. it's because they weren't paid off.
>>217486697>Maximus is the kind of man who would conquer and use conan as a slave. That's more masculine and more true to the spirit of western civilisation.
>>217486697NTA but it's literally the other way around. Conan starts out as a slave and becomes a conqueror king. Maximus dies at the hands of an Emperor who isn't even half the threat that Thulsa Doom is, and Conan easily beheads the latter.
Lots of faggots in this thread. Conan taught me a valuable lesson on how to deal with faggots as a child. You elbow them in the nuts.
>>217486762Only because Thulsa reddit is a typical cartoon villain who refuses to kill conan as a kid and helps him develop huge fucking muscles then tries to teach him life lessons and shieeet. Comodus would've killed Conan at the first opportunity.
>>217486804Comodus would've died in a duel with Conan's mother. He didn't have hypnotic sorcery that could save his twinky ass.
>>217486440if only it was able to carry the unabashed confidence that zoomers naturally possess…
>>217486763>dies cooming
>>217486643Apocalypto is the only Gibson film that rivals Conan
>>217486529That's called not being confident in your vision.
>>217485287I guess it's the same for Excalibur, but in the realm of low-fantasy movies, those are both among my favorites.There's a pretty big deficit of such movies that aren't total shit, and basically one trilogy that is both high budget and well regarded, which is LOTR.I guess Game of Thrones was somewhat acclaimed but I've always found it kinda mid.
>>217486844butthurt soilennialthat lad getting those photos done is actually based too, not that you'd understand that
>>217486718i find it offensive that they came out with that inferior slop after Valhalla Rising...
>>217486737>yeah and they still are what's your pointthat it pisses off fags & hags>Predator got negative reviews on release. it's because they weren't paid off.predator is a shit movie
>>217486529>When you're well read and seen enough movies, this kind of earnestness and melodrama in what is otherwise a simple minded movieWhat was this sentence supposed to say?
>>217486896LOTR is high fantasy. Conan is a prime example of low fantasy, even if it features some pretty outlandish things like Lovecraftian entities (both authors were friends and decided to have a shared universe of sorts). The bulk of Conan stories are rooted in scenarios that could happen irl.
>>217486747>that pictried three times to watch Last Duel but it's too heckin darkthe outside scenes look like they were filmed on an iphone with a shitty filter applied and the indoor scenes look like a student movie where they didn't have money for sets so they just let you "fill in the blanks"
>>217486976>predator is a shit movieThe Predator* is a shit movie. Predator is perfectly serviceable for sci fi action standards.
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>>217487013>Predator is perfectly serviceable for sci fi action standards.it came out almost a decade after Alien bro, and its main gimmick ("predator vision") was lifted 1:1 from Wolven
>>217486830Duh, commodus would've sent the legions instead of fighting barbarians 1v1. AnywayRoman Empire > Any Nordshit culture real or fictionalisedModern civilisation is built upon the stoic masculinity of the Greeks and Romans. Remember that.
