I gotta say, rewatching them as an adult and... it's almost as bad as capeshit. The first movie holds up incredibly well but these sequels are so much worse than I remember. I mean they still have their moments and I can appreciate the production values but boy are they littered with bad decisions. Made me lose a lot of respect for Peter Jackson not gonna lie, until this point I excused the Hobbit because I heard how much his hands were tied with production issues he could not control but yeah, Two Towers and Return of the King are very much his fault. Maybe Christopher Tolkien was right all along when he said Jackson eviscerated his father's work.
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>>217577824>everything I disagree with must be baitbro come on
goldberry > galadriel
someone should do a fan edit without all the quips and all the fanfiction plot points
just be thankful they didnt follow through with the original plan of aragorn fighting sauron 1 on 1
>>217577790This was my first time seeing the trilogy and I agree entirely, FotR told a compelling story and set up an adventure that just never happened. The following two movies were never ending battles and fake out deaths for about 7 hours. Exhausting.
>>217578086>This was my first time seeing the trilogymay I ask how old are you?
There's already a LOTR thread up from yesterday>>217567980
>>217578151you mean there's a thinly veiled relationship shitpost thread
>>217578188>thinly veiled>the account is 99% of the OP>thread is still a LOTR thread with LOTR discussion>made an entirely redundant thread instead of just posting his single post in the existing threadfound the poster who struggles with themes and subtext and has never held a leadership role in his life
>>21757812125.I've missed a lot of popular culture movies, never seen Star Wars either. Not a big fantasy guy desu.
bravo Peter
any genuine lotr youtube reactions worth watching?
are the old animated adaptations worth watching or nah?
>>217577790watching the theatrical cuts makes them a lot more tolerable
>>217578269that and the elves at helm's deep are such stupid decisions that completely undercut one of the main themes in the bookits now the age of men, and men shoulder the burden in the war of the ring. the elves and dwarves aren't useless but they're diminished to the point all they can do is hold on to what they already have.there's one last supernatural hurrah with the huorns after most of the battle is over, and the pelennor fields is entirely won by humans. the strength and courage of humanity holds the line in gondor and then takes the fight directly to mordor to distract sauron so frodo can finish the job
>>217578083would have been kino. Sauron has a physical form in the book anyway
>>217577790You lost respect for a filmmaker because his work showed signs of age a quarter of a century later?
>>217577790>littered with bad decisionsSuch as? Not trolling either. I genuinely love discussion about the movie/book comparisons. I'm of the side that the majority of changes, additions, and ommitances used in the movies were for the better to fit the narrative structure of a movie. There are things I wish could have been properly done like portraying Faramir better and the Scouring of the Shire, but overall the changes didn't impact the very epic scale of the story being shown.
>>217578241relevant: >>217578700
>>217578817it's more that he was stupid kid who didn't know any better and now can see it for what it is. they were never good
>>217578856not op butlegolas shieldsurf and elephant parkour, dwarf throwing and bodycount quips, aragorn falling of a cliff, helm's deep elves, faramir and denethor character assassination, ghost army skull avalanche, gondor ghost ex machina, lighting the beacons, arwen hogging screentime, breadcrumb drama and frodo sending sam away, orc swallowing earthquake... not even a shire healing montage(I get the scouring would be too much but at least there should be an implications that it had been affected by all that went down in the outside world and our hobbit heroes were helping it get back)just so much focus on fake tension made up garbage while leaving important shit out
do you reckon if the potter series is successful they will try a lotr series remake?
“They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25,” Christopher says regretfully. “And it seems that The Hobbit will be the same kind of film.”This divorce has been systematically driven by the logic of Hollywood. “Tolkien has become a monster, devoured by his own popularity and absorbed into the absurdity of our time,” Christopher Tolkien observes sadly. “The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has overwhelmed me. The commercialization has reduced the aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: to turn my head away.”
bit of a mindfuck that he's now older than ian mckellen was when he played gandalf
>>217578431Kys
>>217577790>it's almost as bad as capeshit.It is capeshit. Capeshit is just monomyth which is most things (LotR, Star Wars, Die Hard, King Arthur, Gilgamesh).
>>217578745strongly agreed
>>217578083i disagree
>>217579434Amazon should definitely do that.
>>217580809look forward to a female sam and a black aragorn
>>217578785>>217579189Of everything you listed I only have a problem with the Elves at Helm's Deep and Faramir / Denethor. It's a fantasy action movie, I'm okay with a few quips and some implausible combat feats by a supernatural being.
>>217578431loved your reaction. did you know when aragorn kicked the orc head the actor(viggo mortensen) actually broke his toes? the scream was of genuine pain xD
>>217578878Sure, everybody else was wrong and you were right. You’re so smart
>>217577790>The first movie holds up incredibly wellI hate this reddit opinion so much
>>217581025it's not without flaws but it's disingenuous to lump it anywhere near the rest of the slop
You guys are miserable losers.
they are nowhere near as good as they could be but at the end of the day high fantasy is not this prolific genre on the big screen full of better options. for better or worse it's the best that we got
all of it is lame fantasy bullshit to compensate for white peoples miserable existence If you want Based than look to the past because these faggots will never be able to capture its glory
>>217578431What the fuck kinda people do this? You’re so strange
>>217578237Buddy, you fucked up. You got called on it. Just accept it and move on. And this idea that there's only one thread per production? Grow the fuck up!
>>217581497look at the viewcount(the M stands for million)
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>>217577790Imagine saying this kind of bullshit without constructing an argument on any proper analysis. Embarrassing.
>>217577790Shouldn't indians be in bed by now?
why did he turn the wolves into hyenas? it's medieval european fiction feels so fucking out of place
the books are 99% boring autistic slop, no-one useful cares about the makey-up over-detailed trash Tolkein shat out beyond the core conceits. jackson did him a service
>>217581655indians go crazy over this shit, not unlike marvel
>>217578083dont forget he also had arwen go to fight on helms deep. there's still glimpses of her on wideshots of the theatrical version
>>217578269Green gay ghosts that are invincible and can defeat everything is a real cop out. It also makes all the prior fighting pointless I never liked them.
>be human>have to share middle earth with forest midgets, dwarfsharts, elves, old guys knowing magic, orcs, some jerk with an eyeball floating over a towerwhat an absolute miserable place to live in. Talk about awful neighbors.
Ranking the movies,Fellowship: Absolute kino. Whole shire act is the best part of the three movies. No retarded moments to speak of, except maybe the ringwraith scene sniffing them. It might be memorable or whatever, but it's still pretty retarded.Two Towers: Pretty good. Every single scene with Theoden is kino (except one). The lead up to minas tirith is great. But the most retarded moment is the climax of the siege, with like 20 horses riding down a billion CGI orcs while Gandalf charges face-first into a wall of pikes that all raise right before the charge lands. The ents are pretty gay retard shit as well. In the books they're frothing with bloodlust, and their song as they march on isengard is based as fuck. They're not these whiny faggots that they are in this movie.RotK: Pretty meh. Battle of Pelennor fields is still kino, but there's too much gay retard shit in this movie to really call is kino anymore. The army of the ghosts is gay retard shit. The Sam and Frodo plotline is gay retard shit (where they add tons of unnecessary scenes of things like Frodo thinking Sam is betraying him, etc., that are all just fucking boring). The army of Mordor being eaten by the earth is retard shit. Merry and Pippin getting the ringbearer ceremony despite not having been ringbearers. The WAR CRIME of killing the poor innocent Mouth. Etc. And yeah, the Eowyn scene is pretty gay and retarded as well. The same scene from the Bakshi rotorscoped one is way better. Not to mention the book scene is actually kino.
>>217581948Living in the far north should be comfy tho Nothing ever happens there
>>217581899they can't even physically fight in the books, and they never join the battle of minas tirith, it's all pure fanfiction
>>217581992That's what I mean. How can you be impermeable and at the same time solid? What's making them able to strike and kill enemies, and not be struck themselves? Its bogus. Its genuinely an unfair plot device, which turns orcs into victims, which should never happen. Its fun when orcs are ultra strong and so many and they have giant beasts and a giant wolf head battering ram and chanting and so on. This also makes the struggle all the more real for the heroes, when faced with such extreme savagery and bloodlust. Oh well just cash in your checks at the ghost bank and make all the bravery pointless. Just shoot that green icbm at the enemy
>magic world>gandalf and elves dont make armored pickup trucks and guns and drive to mt doomwhat was tolkien thinking?
>>217581959Why the FUCK would you write all of this?
>>217577790I still love the trilogy, but this is true. The second and third movies are a slog to get through. The first movie is kino of the highest order, they put their entire souls into getting Fellowship to be good and it shows. You can tell they were completely exhausted and burnt out by the end of Return and so was I. Sometimes I'll just pop on Fellowship if I want to watch something comfy. The entire Mines of Moria arc is peak fantasy.
>>217577790RotK is terrible I wish they could redo it. But imo two towers is the best and FotR is right behind.
>>217582069is it really any less fair than walking trees smashing Isengard?
bilbo: deadsaruman: deadtheoden: deadgandalf: soonI fucking hate aging bros. it's like everything you know and love will disappear
>>217581948>>be human >>have to share middle earth with forest midgets, dwarfsharts, elves, old guys knowing magic, orcs, some jerk with an eyeball floating over a tower Just like real life.
why didnt they make a locked box for the ring(and threw away the key) to keep frodo from putting it on so easily?
currently rewatching two towers. the amount of """humor""" on the battle of helms deep is hard to stomach
>>217579189>why is fantastical stuff happening in a fantasy moviei agree some of it is ridiculous though, but i'm willing to look past it
>>217577790I am no longer able to force myself to watch Two Towers and Return of the King.The feel like a slog with no wonder component that made Fellowship so great.In Fellowship we go from peaceful green hills of Hobbiton to rainy dirty Brill, to swampy Eregion, to beautiful autumn Rivendell, to snowy peaks of Caradhras, to dark mines of Moria to golden Lothlorien to forests of Anduin.In Towers it is just grass steppes for 3 hours.Same with Return.And the characters barely travel, they just talk and fight.Surely story beats are here but between them are rather boring parts.Fellowship feel the only one worthy of watching.It is 10/10, while TT and Return are like 6/10.
>>217582542remember it's like 50% teenager movie. 13-year-olds basedjak pointing at legolas skateboarding on shields was part of the package.
>>217578269I still don't get why Middle Earth had to be some stupid New Zealand desertshit instead of some lush European country as Tolkien intended
>>217581596The only "good" reaction videos are the characters watching their own movie..after the first minute it gets betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP-dqDMMjFM
It's insane how /tv/ has turned on these movies over the years. They used to be considered absolute kino and peak of the blockbuster genre.Meanwhile Pirates of the Caribbean has aged like fine wine and it's nice to see people acknowledge that trilogy as the true king of blockbusters
>>217577790I kind of agree.As a kid I thought Fellowship was boring and the other two were way betterComplete reversal of opinion as an adult
cgi gollum is way too cute and goofy(not to mention fake looking). should have just stayed something like this with prosthetics and minor cgi enhancements
>>217577790A lot of the forced Gimli humor sucked, and honestly most of the scenes they added in the extended version for RotK suck, but the rest holds up for the most part.
why did they make the hobbits so youthful? hell their midget doubles would have fit better
>>217578086>The following two movies were never ending battlesTrue, but they are some of the finest battles ever depicted in any artform. If you do not feel anything when Theoden drops this line, you're either dead inside or a girl.
>>217577790Bakshi's version is better.
>>217583185this unironically
>>217583185all the best stylistic choices were stolen straight from it
>>217583064I hate the jekyl and hyde good side bad side shit they kept forcing
>>217582972/tv/ has always agreed fellowship is the good one you dumb redditshit
name a greater celebration of white people, I dare youwe won't leave to see anythign like it ever again
>>217582069>What's making them able to strike and kill enemies, and not be struck themselves?Never encountered ghouls or swarms in Pathfinder huh?
>>217577790return is made 10x worse by the extended edition. theatrical is decent
>>217578086well, the extended editions are not the ideal way to experience these movies for the first time. I mean return of the king extended is like 4 and a half hours long. that's insane. nobody wants to sit in a theater for that long. "you have to watch the extended editions" is a fucking meme that has been disseminated by the most low IQ segment of the fanbase.
>>217577790This is a tranny discord meme. I suppose the purpose being to break chuds off from LOTR.
