>>217655317
was he shizo?

>>217655337
I guess we'll see in the next 15 years

>If you get killed by your enemies, YOU WIN!
this is what christcucks actually believe

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>humans exist for 100,000+ years
>infant mortality is rife
>wars over land, resources, women, tribalism, etc
>life expectancy of 25
>God and his angels sit up in Heaven with their arms crossed while all this happens for 95,000+ years
>around 3-4,000 years ago they decide to do something about it
>only reveal themselves to barbaric, illiterate middle east
>not India or China, where people can think, read, and do science
>tells them the path to salvation is to brutally murder, rape, and enslave their neighbors
>oh and if they really want to impress him, they should cut a bit of skin off their dick
>in return, he brings his chosen people to the only place in the Middle East without oil
it's mental when you think about it. but then again theists don't think very much, do they?

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>>217655317
This might help.

>>217655337
I think god was feeling kinky so he wanted to get whipped and tortured

>creates an entire universe and waits several billion years just to tell some fags in the desert to cut off their foreskins
Kinos for this feel?

>>217655317
Filtered. Enjoy hell, retard

>>217655388
>biblefags will post this unironically and not understand why it doesn’t make perfect sense to everyone else the way it somehow does in their low functioning autistic rationale
Kek

>>217655408
ok. enjoy paradise dude

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>>217655380
At this point we have direct archaeological evidence that this whole thing is a Canaanite larp that went on for too long and yet people still choose to believe it because they hate trannies o algo

Atheism is a Christian Heresy.

>>217655431
The nuances of the Trinity are hard to understand (if at all), but the basics are really not that complicated. The Father and the Son are not the same entity. The Son died on the cross, the Father did not.

>>217655388
wait they believe in multiple gods?

>>217655441
Do canaanites even believe in the Semitic pantheon? I would imagine ancient Israelites being a offshoot of Phoenicians

>>217655471
Interesting opinion.

>>217655441
>At this point we have direct archaeological evidence that this whole thing is a Canaanite larp
extrapolate

>>217655491
>nooooooo not like THAT!
>it’s a different kind of mental gymnastics!

>>217655388
The fuck is this Pokémon shit?

>>217655491
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
>one God existing in three coeternal, cosubstantial divine persons: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit, three distinct persons (hypostases) sharing one essence/substance/nature (homoousion).

>>217655380
You know nothing about anthropology or Christianity. Honestly you should be executed desu

>>217655441
what?

>>217655491
No they don't, there is only one God. Read the graphic again.

>>217655507
It's been the opionion of the Church since the First Council of Constantinople of 381. Time to catch up.

>>217655441
Damn Yahweh is hung

>>217655545
>links Wikipedia article
This jogga dense as hell

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>tfw you realize god exists

>>217655501
Phoenicians were Semitic. So were the canaanites. It is a very crowded clusterfuck. Its like distinguishing betweens etruscans and latins and oscans.

>>217655491
Yes because if Jesus was the son of God then he must be divine himself, right? But there's only supposed to be one God so how do you reconcile that.

There has been 1900 years of extremely autistic debates over this and part of the reason the Muslims control the Middle East now is because back in the day the Christians there subscribed to a slightly different interpretation of it than the Byzantines and there were constant revolts over it.

>>217655380
>only reveal themselves to barbaric, illiterate middle east
The Sumerians were the first to develop writing and arithmetic, more than 1000 years before the Chinese began scribbling on ox bones.
Read a book sometime.

>>217655317
Maybe he should have just stayed home and not tried to spread the good word of God.

>>217655587
>>217655527
>>217655491
DIVINE ESSENCE!!!! HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO GRASP THAT???

>>217655587
He has a divine nature. He is also human at the same time. I'm a fucking atheist and can somehow understand this shit yet most atheoretards on 4chan can't.
Also Muslims control the middle east becouse Phocas was a fucking retard.

>>217655607
Is that what God injected into a teenage girl?

>>217655317
I don't get it, why didn't YHVH give him deadpool powers?

>>217655317
Mfw I just bust but she keeps sucking

>>217655388
yeah no it doesn't do it for me. what am I missing?

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>>217655578
>mfw

>>217655607
>they're different people but one guy!

>>217655617
>I'm a fucking atheist
atheists are just lazy christcucks

>>217655627
People understood it 1700 years ago, what are you having trouble with?

>>217655645
did they really?

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>>217655317
So when is Jesus coming back? Any news?

>jews have been recorded for 3500 years to be trying to subvert gentiles
>this dozen cult grifters in 1 CE are telling the truth that we should worship jewish culture and let jews enslave the planet if we want to enter heaven!

>>217655655
Yeah, they had councils and meetings about it and everything.

>>217655657
He'll be back when he's damn well ready to be back.

>>217655657
When Earth is a paradise akin to Heaven

>>217655664
oh wow good for them I guess

>>217655645
If God is the father, and God is the son, why is the father not the son? If the transitive property doesn't apply, doesn't that mean one of those 3 statements is false?

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>>217655645

>>217655432
Thanks, I will. I like to imagine one of the amenities is a looking glass where you get to watch the sinners, faggots trannies rapists murderers and gaytheists, burning and writhing in hell for all eternity. Makes me all warm and fuzzy just thinking about it.

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>>217655317
>God has to do a weird human sacrifice loophole to allow himself to forgive people for sins committed by their distant ancestors.
Are you sure he's not the devil? That really sounds like a devilish thing to do.

>>217655701
very jesuspilled posterino

>>217655701
Thats because youre a gigantic homo. When people look at you they see the kid who reminded the teacher she forgot to collect homework.

>>217655388
>god is the son
>god is the holy spirit
>god is the father
so does god have some sort of a multiple personality disorder or are there three different gods, or are those three words some sort of titles that god uses

>>217655701
>finds joy in the suffering of others and wishes them eternal damnation
Jesus famously said "damn thy neighbor" so I'm sure you're right

>>217655754
the nigga is eternal, the nigga became human for like 33 years, died then rezzed, the nigga is in all living things.

>>217655751
>youre a gigantic homo
Wrong. Jesus blessed me with His love and forgiveness so that I might not be a sinner any longer.
I was like you once. I did evil things. Then one day, I got off my knees, cleaned myself up, and then got back on my knees to pray for Christ's love. Brother, let me tell you, no amount of carnal pleasure can compare to having His love poured all over my face.

>>217655701
You're supposed to pray for their conversion. No Christian wants anyone to go to hell.

>>217655622
He himself decided that he himself needed to look meek and humble as fuck or he himselfs plan to eat sin wouldn't look legit.
It must be easy, just set a macro for pain response then depossess the soulless husk he himself created to trick us.
People genuinely believe this retarded jewish shit. What a bunch of dumb niggers.

>>217655791
its been co-opted by fascists like most religions

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>>217655545
No one gives a fuck about the Holy Spirit anymore (originally Mary so Father / Mother / Son )
So it's really a duo of Gods. Christians are polytheist. Catholics even more so with their plenty of worship-worthy saints.

>>217655805
Jesus was a golem? Jesus Christ...

>>217655471
So you believe your God made a clone, went slumming, got religious and killed himself.
Now you revere the meat puppet he used and debate its connection to the world and your God.

Sounds like torment tides of numenerea lol

>>217655701
It's always fascinating when people who have clearly never read the Bible LARP as Christians on 4chan of all places.

>>217655830
>believe on one god
Good morning sar.

>>217655879
It gets far sillier on boards like /his/ and /pol/

>>217655874
You're being willfully obtuse.

>>217655754
water, ice, and steam are all the same thing in different forms

>>217655830
Angels would also be gods in any other religion.

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>>217655317
Jesus is Our Lord and Savior.
Turn to Him and repent of your sins.

>>217655914
Technically that's exactly what they originally were until Jews decided to retcon themselves as monotheists during the Babylonian exile. The concept of the Heavenly Council that included the Canaanite gods and what Yahweh was originally a part of was demoted to either angels or demons and Yahweh and El were merged into one.

>>217655659
>it's all 4d chess
>how do you do fellow antisemitic chuds?

>>217655898
Yeah obtuse about a story that was made up to indoctrinate people.
When you're raised without anybody persuading you with their own bias you see shit differently.
I'm sure if I was 5 or so and my mom said "HELL OR CHURCH YOU LITTLE FAG" I'd be a christcuck just like the rest of you.
Or a loser in the 2nd act that needs a reason to not kill himself.

>>217655701
ironic how the guy you're replying to sounds more christian than you lol

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>>217655400
Since God is all knowing and all powerful, everything that transpired transpired exactly how He intended it to, including going out by being impaled by LONGinus' spear while surrounded by a crowd of spectators.

>>217655441
>canaanites drew yahweh once so it must mean that the israelites robbed the idea from them
How do you even get to that conclusion? The israelites also mentioned and worshipped canaanite gods.

>>217655988
>a story that was made up to indoctrinate people.
>indoctrinated into staunch radical atheism (aka secular judiasm)
lol

>>217655441
Yeah if you know anything about history or anthropology in that region then it's very clear how made up the Jewish religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) in particular are. Other religions are man-made too, of course, but the chain of evidence is particularly easy to follow for the Jewish religions.

>>217655501
Canaanite is what they called themselves. Phoenicians is what the Greeks called them. Same people. There were of course other Semitic peoples in the area.

tldr is
>the canaanite peoples were polytheists in the Greek sense
>a huge pantheon with El as the chief god (think Zeus) but also other gods like Hadad and Yahweh
>different kingdoms recognized the other gods but had a patron god of their own city (like Athens with Athena)
>Edomites had Qos, Ammonites had Milcom, etc
>Israel and Judah's patron god was the storm/war god Yahweh.
>over time it changed from polytheism to more monolatry (the other gods exist, but you should only worship the patron god), known as Yahwism
>Yahweh became conflated with El, the chief god
>eventually it became that there were no other gods, just Yahweh/El
>the other minor deities became angels or demons, with Yahweh/El being the true source of everything

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>love your enemies
>pay your taxes
>turn the other cheek
>give away your money
>rich people can't go to heaven
>gets killed by his enemies in the biggest humiliation ritual of all time
How on earth did this weak communist become the god of republicans?

>>217656034
>God is all-knowing, including knowing what you will do in any situation
so where does free will come in?

>god is all powerful
>only creates 3 aspects of himself
why is it limited to a trinity when he could assume ten triullion different forms if he wanted to?

>>217655590
Anon, Mesopotamia =/= Arabian Penninsula.
That's like thinking the Ainu tribes had Daimyos, or that the Scotts had Roman Concrete because not too far from there there were people did.

>>217656088
He's already living inside of you and everyone else.

>>217655514
>>217655559
Basically
>Bronze Age Semitic/Phoenician/Cannanite pantheon is polytheistic
>'El' and 'Baal' are fairly generic terms for one of their gods
>Hebrews are originally a group of Canaanite tribes so they worship this pantheon
>At some point they take in worshipers of Yahweh, likely from further south, who are also initially polytheistic
>There is an extended competition between these two belief systems
>Gradually they just merge but this happens pretty late in terms of the Old Testament timeline
>Scribes go back and rewrite the early books of the Hebrew bible to reconcile all of this
>They don't cover their tracks very well so modern scholars can work backwards and figure all of this out

For instance, Saul's immediate successor as King of Israel was named in Kings as Ish-Bosheth, which means 'Man of Shame' in Hebrew. This is a very weird thing to name your son. But there was evidence his real name was 'Ishbaal', which means 'Man of Baal', which is also a very weird thing to name your son unless you worship Baal, which there's no mention of either of them doing in the Bible.

There are many other names with 'Bosheth' in them in the Old Testament and if you replace that with Baal all of them suddenly make sense. So the scribes must have went back and changed them all after Baal worship went from being commonplace to being illegal. (but this never happened with 'El' which just became one of the many names of God so that ex. Genesis refers to him as 'El' but Exodus refers to him as 'Yahweh')

In short the old testament is just Jewish folklore and mythology, believing in it is as stupid as worshiping Zeus, and believing in Jesus is just as stupid as worshiping Hercules.

>>217656102
Abraham wasn't from Arabia, he was from Mesopotamia.
Arabia was full of nomadic hunter-gatherers at the time.

>>217656103
why? wtf is wrong with him?

>a being exists that created the universe
>a being exists that created mankind
>a being exists that created mankind and gave advice to humans on how to live well
>a being exists that monitors individual humans to determine if they are committing thought crimes and if they fail this test, it sentences them to an eternity of torture
even if you can get from the first statement to the last, that sounds like a demon and not a being worthy of worship

>>217655575
What an opinion.

>>217656137
He likes you, anon. I know it seems hard to believe, but it's true.

let me get this straight

>the punishment for sin is an eternity in hell
>the whole point of jesus's death was a sort of loophole where god's wrath was appeased, jesus suffered so that we wouldn't have to

but here's what i don't understand
>punishment for sin: eternity in hell
>jesus's punishment: being crucified on a cross for a few hours

so god changed the punishment for sin when it came to his son? i don't get it

it'd be like you've been condemned to a life in prison, then someone comes in to take your place, but all he does is a few weeks of community service

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>>217656068
It doesn't. In Christianity, the plan is already laid out until the end of days, and maybe there will be actual free will on the New Earth if God decides that with Satan gone he no longer needs to keep the wheels on and uses his Omnipotence to turn the universe non-deterministic and thus remove his own omniscience. However, as long as he has omniscience, the universe has to be fully deterministic, because to know everything, includes knowing what's going to happen, and to know what's going to happen, what's going to happen has to already be set in stone.

>>217656103
why is he murdering and raping people and making them go to hell?

>>217655578

Ya and theyre all assholes

>>217656164
so God creates sentient creatures just to torture them?

>>217656150
I know. he's living in my ass. clearly he likes me a lot

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>>217656147
Good rule of thumb. Anyone who eternally tortures people is a bad guy.
We don't even torture our worst criminals.

Time and again we prove ourselves more ethical than God.
We didn't have to sacrifice anyone to acquire the capacity for forgiveness.

Maybe God never ate the fruit...

Science can now begin to provide a reason for the universe to exist, and more evidence will come out over the following decades. If it wasn't already over for religion it is now, not necessarily a great thing but it will happen.
Our universe exists because of cosmological natural selection. If there are infinite universes, any universe that can self propagate will be more common than a baren universe. In the same way that complex biological processes form when self replication is possible, complex universes form around forms of self propagation. Not because they evolve over time necessarily (although maybe some universes do that), but because there are infinite universes.
Our universe propagates by forming black holes with their own singularities inside. It appears that universes exist within these singularities because of what physics and math show us.
We can't prove whether we are inside a black hole ourselves. However, we can make some predictions on what we would see if we were in a black hole, and so far we see exactly what we would expect to see.
Also, the physics of our universe are perfect for forming black holes. Gravity isn't so great that we just collapsed into a black hole at the start of the universe, and it's not so weak that matter drifts apart and black holes don't form.
Of course that means we have a bunch of empty space and useless matter clinging together. To aid self propagation, life forms to either shepherd black holes or construct nested simulated universes.
As for what exists at the top level of the multiverse, it's all random chaos. It must be, since something exists rather than nothing.

>>217656207
Science and religion aren't incompatible.
Not reading all of that tho

>>217656163
it's all bullshit and they all know it but they just like their churches and rituals just like how muzzies love marrying 9 year old girls

>>217655337
Only if you subscribe to the trinitarian heresy pushed by Athanasius. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are separate entities.

>>217656036
Ahh so you're actually a white supremacist hiding behind religion. The larp is real.

>>217656234
Many people will not continue to follow religion if they feel that their need to understand the purpose of everything is satisfied. Enough people leave religion simply because they come to believe there is no purpose. If science can provide an evidence based purpose it will get worse. There are many different interpretations of "purpose" and science can't fulfill all of them, but it will happen.

It's amazing how every year, if not every day, the "proof" of God's existence and power gets smaller and smaller, yet the zealots still hold onto their Iron Age belief systems as a security blanket, holding us all back in the meantime.

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>could just snap your fingers to absolve humanity of original sin and save them
>instead opt to make another you that gets tortured and dies to make this happen
Why's he like that?

>>217656396
He just loves torture

>>217656308
The jews are the enemy of all of mankind. It has nothing to do with white supremacy.
When Christ said "love thy neighbor", he was talking about Christians.

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>>217655367
>be me, Christian
>get martyred
>go straight to heaven
>Jesus says “thanks for the good work, Anon”
>mfw I’m beatified, revered above and below for all time
>mfw people think this isn’t a good afterlife

>>217656396
>mommy could just feed me icecream for every meal
>instead has me eat vegetables and meat
Why is she like that?

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>>217656184
Pretty much all of the Old Testament is just God torturing people for the love of the game, and then in the New Testament he either a) cucked his own soon to be stepdad or b) body snatched his soon to be step-dad and mom's baby in the womb, depending which version of Christianity you follow, pulled Eternal Damnation through Hell out of his ass somewhere (honestly I can't remember what part of the New Testament the church bastardized into Hell but they are very insistent it's from scripture), and then declared that he will literally nuke reality itself, but only after removing his favourite few goobers and then watching the rest of them fight the bloodiest most gruesome war to end all wars like it's Hunger Games or some shit.

So yeah, not sure who this is news to, but the Judeo Christian God is one absolutely massive piece of shit (something only the Christians and Muslims deny out of pure bootlicking instinct).

>>217656396
All he asks of you is to believe in him and refrain from sinful behavior. Is it that difficult to not be a complete degenerate?

>>217656396
he's a theater faggot. he can't help it

>>217655380
>>217655402
>cut a bit of skin off their dick
>based pro smegma and disease spreading anons

>>217656427
>if I ascribe human 21st century mores and social values on this omnipotent and omniscient being, he looks like a real jerk!
I bet you're the kind of catfag who thinks his cat talks to him too and tells all your exasperated "friends" about his personality and the whacky things he does.

>>217656344
I think it's sort of a reverse pascal's wager situation. they don't want to admit they're wrong because it would mean they wasted their life

>if god isn't real and you believe, you've wasted countless hours praying, abstaining from worldly pleasures, reading the bible, tithing, and attending church for nothing

christianity was formed by oppressed people. it came from the jews and is based on this revenge fantasy of "god is coming soon and all those people who fucked you over are gonna be punished, just wait"

>>217656434
>he
>him
*He, *Him
If you're going to LARP, at least do it right

>>217656449
Praying for your conversion, anon.

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>>217656396
Because he's the god of the jews.
He couldn't just change his own rules. He had to find some sort of loophole to change while technically abiding by the old rules. Otherwise it would prove he's fallible.
It's the same as all the bullshit jews do to bypass sabbath rules.
There's a reason they're all lawyers.

>>217656447
>haha, stupid fucker, you lived a good life of principled ethics and goodness
>turns out it was all for nothing
>now I'll be going back to snorting some coke out of my AIDs's boyfriend's prolapse, LOSER

>>217655337
a lot of jews have mental issues

>>217656443
Why did god create foreskins if he was just going to demand that people remove them?

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>>217655491
>wait they believe in multiple trees?

If you claim you're a christian yet hang out on 4chan then you're not a real christian. Go take your lack of validation and real life identity somewhere else.

>>217656503
So that those followers of His could be marked as separate from the non-believers. Virtually every religion and society since humanity began has done something similar.

>>217656443
The foreskin actually protects the penis. Cutting it off because it can get infected if you don't practice hygienic practices is like removing your fingernails because dirt can get underneath them.

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>>217656414
>When Christ said "love thy neighbor", he was talking about Christians.
Here’s your neighbors, bro!

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>>217656434
why give humans the capacity to sin at all? it's like building a computer, not plugging it in, and then being mad when it doesn't turn on
>>217656447
yeah im pretty sure the Jesus-era Christians were apocalyptic (hence Revelations) in the style of Heaven's Gate

Jesus was basically pic rel

>>217656519
>let me tell you about your religion

>>217656449
Not the anon, but in the King James Bible God’s pronouns are not capitalized. It is stylistically correct to not capitalize He and Him.

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>>217656519
Uh, actually 4chan is a Christian website and always has been, sweaty. No matter how you try to convert it to banana-fucking atheism, you kids will always be tourists here.

>>217656537
I'm not a white supremacist, so this doesn't bother me.

>>217656537
Based Africans. I will take a Nigerian’s Christianity over modern Evangelical nonsense any day of the week.

>>217656486
>christians trying not to fantasize about grotesque sodomy challenge

>>217656551
/thread
/tv/ is a Christian board too

>>217656573
>n-no, trust me, our degenerate atheist self-worship of doing whatever you want without the constraints objective morality would NEVER lead to any form of degeneracy

uh huh

>>217655380
>India or China
Stopped reading right there

>>217656566
>modern Evangelical nonsense
The zionist heresy really needs to be addressed

>>217655337
The romans found him in a bed with a little boy.

>>217656538
>why give humans the capacity to sin at all?
Because he doesn't want to impede your free will, except on those handful of occasions where he will happily impede upon someone's free will to prevent them doing good and make them sin so that he can punish them for it.

reminder that jesus's message was intended for jews only. it was paul who universalized them and tried to appeal to the gentiles

>"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel"
>"salvation is first to the Jew, then to the gentile"
>called a canaanite woman a dog

>>217656615
>no examples given
Many such cases. SAD!

>>217656615
We've already established there is no free will and no free will can exist in a system where God is all-knowing

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>>217656588
Degeneracy doesn’t go away regardless of religion.

>>217656637
>same old out-of-context verses
*yawn*

>>217656445
so ascribing first century and before mores and social values to modern people is alright?

>>217656643
Your children are something like 1000% more likely to be abused in a public school by a teacher than they are by a priest or a preacher.

>>217656643
>”b-but those d-don’t count because I said so”

>>217656643
>here are cherrypicked individual people violating their beliefs and committing actions prohibited by their faith
>that makes the majority of people of faith who don't behave likewise totally the same as people with no moral framework who believe that there is no impetus for them to do anything other than what they want at all times
Tell me more.

>>217655317
Is there any sect of Christians who don't believe that Christ is God?

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>>217656602
I was talking about all the gay stuff, female preachers, and other heretical deviations from doctrine

>>217656637
“Other sheep have I which are not of this flock. Them also must I gather.” - John 10:16

Who was he talking about, anon?

Ask yourselves this:

Which is more likely?
1. The creator of the universe chose a freshly married virgin woman to give birth to Himself as the savior of mankind
2. A Jewish girl had premarital sex and lied about it so she wouldn't be stoned to death

>>217656681
And they are 1000% more likely to be abused by family than they are in a public school.

>I need to pretend jewish mythology is real or else gay sex
Nothing you actually believe in relies on the necessity of the Bible.

>>217656693
Several. That was the original consensus of Christianity and is held still by the orthodoxy and some other denominations like the adventists, mormons, and I think witnesses.

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>>217656414
>When Christ said "love thy neighbor", he was talking about Christians.
So who was he talking about when he said "love your enemies"?

>>217656693
Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses are non-Trinitarian.

I just think Christians are incredibly lucky.
Just imagine, human civilisation has existed for thousands of years at that point and they were the ones who finally found the correct religion. What are the chances?

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>this thread

>>217655317
jesus and god are only the same person in a few christian religions in most he is purely the son of god

>>217656702
She wasn't jewish, she was a levite.

>>217656702
But Joseph and Mary were married. Should have went with extramarital.

>>217656723
>worship YHWH or you’re le hat
I am euphoric

>>217656566
Thats because youre a provincial peasant.

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>>217656719
Yes, but we still believe Christ is God. The only major difference from a trinitarian perspective is that we believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are separate entities. They are all still Gods in a sense, but it’s clear from the New Testament that they choose to characterize themselves as separate, so we should too. (Christ’s baptism, Christ’s crucifixion, and the martyrdom of Steven are all proofs of this).

So funny that the TKD nazi website also believes that a jewish rabbi created the universe

>>217656760
The last shall be first and the first shall be last, my friend.

>>217656565
I know you’re not because the rise of christcels on 4chan directly correlates with the 3rd world gaining WiFi.

>>217656643
Hey stop oppressing pedosexuals. Pedosexuality is normal and accepted now. A pedosexual can even be president!

>>217656781
The Mormon position is that God (With a capital G) is the original deity, and Christ is his favorite "spirit child" who possesses divine characteristics.

>>217656738
She was betrothed to Joseph when she got creampied by some random dude but was not yet married.

>>217656773
>implying that anybody gives a fuck what a tard thinks and what their opinions and beliefs are
It’s more just that they want you to have the faculty to be able to shut up about it for five minutes instead of constantly injecting your religious beliefs into every single thread regardless of relevance

>>217656773
>they are doing the bidding of satan

this is like saying "if you don't think luke skywalker was a real person, you're doing the bidding of darth vader"

>>217656713
>That was the original consensus of Christianity
Untrue. One of the earliest Christian mosaics found in a church that was abandoned during the Diocletian persecution referred to Jesus as "God Jesus Christ".
Look up the Megiddo Mosaic.

>>217656813
Agreed, but the Son of God is a god in a sense, wouldn’t you agree?

>>217656802
I've been a Christian my whole life.

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>read the old testament
>people like david and solomon had multiple wives and concubines
>mfw i'm not even allowed to have sex in any circumstances outside of marriage and have to be monogamous

what is this unfair bullshit?

>>217656773
I believing everything you do except without the LARP that you must need Christianity to be right-wing. Seriously, you goddamn niggger, just think. When you’re making a case against 3rd world immigration, do you appeal to the real, material detriments it has on society, or do you flip through scripture to justify your opposition to? Pick literally any other pet political issue and the same thing applies.

>>217656783
>Jesus is just some jewish rabbi
Odd the person seething about /pol/ has the same ideas

>>217656802
>Doesn't know about Deus Vult
Hello election tourist

>>217656822
Reductivism aside, aren't you though?

>>217656842
>Dates to approximately 230 AD
>one of the earliest

My nigga the New Testament is one of the earliest records of Christ, came 200 years before the mosaic, and they constantly call him the Som of God.

>>217656844
Mormonism occupies a weird position between monotheism and polytheism IMO

>>217656878
>Doesn't know about Deus Vult
What the cringe waifu posting against ISIS?

>>217656882
I’ll agree with you there too, especially once you throw in that we Mormons believe in apotheosis.

>>217656842
Prior to the establishment of the greater church by Constantine, Christianity has hundreds of sects and established scholars debating the nature of the divine. There were trinitarians before Nicea, sure, that's how they seized political power. But the denominations that existed before Nicea and still exist today are non-Trinitarian. That there are historical artifacts that show the nature of the divinity was explored back in 200AD doesn't change any of that.

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>>217656773
>They never give you details about what they believe
I believe in provable things. Go attend a physics class. That's what I believe, more or less. The fringes of physics are more speculative when it comes to interpretation. I take that stuff with a grain of salt.
>Where do their morals come from?
I think about what would minimize suffering and increase happiness. Simple as.

>>217656874
Let's be fair here, you even fail at getting a single wife

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>>217656938
Sorry posted wrong pic

>>217656882
Christianity in general is polytheistic, we just like to pretend it's not. But the bible is rife with other divinities, powers and principalities that would just be called "gods" or "demigods" with any other faith. If Hermes is a distinct god and Greek mythology is therefore polytheistic, how is Gabriel not likewise a god and Christianity monotheistic?

>>217656938
>i literally worship soience

>>217656640
>>no examples given
Exodus 4:21, 7:3, 9:12, 10:20, Joshua 11:19, Isaiah 6:9 (later quoted by Jesus in Mark 4:12). These are the instances where God overrides somebody's free will to cause them to sin so that he can continue to take certain actions within his own rules of morality, i.e. prevents the Pharoah from showing mercy so that he can be justified in continuing to send plagues as a demonstration of power. There are numerous other examples of God intervening in free will in general though, or talking about doing it or how or why he does it, or Jesus and other prophets talking about it.

>>217656874
Rank has its privileges.
If you want to have extra wives or molest children you need to be a ruler like David or Donald.
Then God will look the other way.

>>217656938
>I think about what would minimize suffering and increase happiness. Simple as.
Pew's shown that religion people are more likely to be happy, and far happier in general than agnostics and atheists. By your own standard of morality, aren't you obligated to be a theist?

>>217656987
>bible says God can give us strength, therefore He's stolen our free will when he makes us strong

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Yes, obviously a higher being exist, and no not like your Christian God, also Jesus is just a human. No you can never change my mind.

>>217656980
Nah worship is what the retards do where they just believe everything a scientist says. As I indicated, I'm more skeptical. Physics often gets stuck in ruts where people can't think outside the box, and then someone comes in and changes everything by challenging the status quo. You have to be open to the possibilities. Like I have a feeling the big bang theory might get overturned and we'll discover that universal expansion isn't what we thought it was.

>>217657008
I don't exactly disagree. I've often thought that I would be happier if I was christian because then I'd be able to attend a church of like minded people, make friends, and have a sense of community.
But it wouldn't work to fake it. And on the whole I think it's better if people pursue truth rather than living a comforting lie.

>be born in rural thailand
>through no fault of your own, you were born in a country that's majority buddhist
>will live and die a buddhist
>according to christians, this man, despite living a virtuous life, and quite possibly better following the commandments than most christians, will go to hell because he was born in the wrong part of the world and didn't follow the right religion

how do you justify this? how do you justify the fate of your eternal soul depending on a geographical dice roll?

>oh well maybe he should've taken the imitative to read the gospel and learn about jesus while he was alive!

let's say for the sake of argument that buddhism was the real religion
>a redneck in texas gets reincarnated as a fly because he didn't follow the dharma
do you seriously expect someone who lives in a place that's mostly religiously homogenous to learn about a different religion that is entirely foreign?

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>>217655317
>Accoring to Catholic doctrine the eucharist and wine turn into the literal flesh and blood of Christ upon consumption

>>217656987
>Exodus
Jewish mistranslation. The truer translation of the text is closer to “God’s actions caused Pharaoh’s heart to be hardened.”
>Joshua 11:19
“Except for the Hittites living in Gibson, not one city made a treaty of peace with the Israelites, who took them all in battle.”

Are you sure this is a verse that shows how God takes away people’s free will?

>Isaiah 6:9 (nice)
“He said, “Go and tell his people: Be ever hearing but never understanding; be ever seeing but never perceiving.”

Same as above. How does this verse demonstrate that God takes away free will?

>>217656878
>>Jesus is just some jewish rabbi
Yes, factually

>>217655380
>95,000+ years
Thats nothing to god, a mere blink of his eye.

>>217657145
>it wouldn't work to fake it
Except it might. Faith isn't something you stumble into, and I think a lot of atheists assume it's supposed to be that one day a lightning bolt hits them and they suddenly have it. Faith is something people build through practice, community and a lived experience. Nobody just gets hit with absolute certainty, or it's not faith. Belief takes time to root. More than a few people start living as if something might be true, and then discover the meaning and conviction through living it, not just observing it from without.

Does that make sense?

>>217657166
>according to this vague understanding I have of Christianity which is not accurate at all-
Is there a specific denomination you think that believes that who should argue against your assessment?

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>>217655317
LET'S GET THIS STRAIGHT:

Jesus wasn't crucified, because YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW, and your sins are yours, not his

>oh, Jesus died for our sins
only an atheist claiming to be Christian would say such stupidity

God is not partial. you reap what you sow, and Jesus did nothing to be crucified, so he wasn't. you would know that if you've read the Quran, but you believe the Quran is a book only for Muslims

the Quran, the Vedas, the Bhagavad Gita, the Bible, ACIM... those are Sacred Scriptures for the ones interested in God, in Self-Realization

Mel Gibson did us no favour with this flick

>>217657233
I'm not schizophrenic enough to brainwash myself like that. Nor would I want to.

>>217657279
>I don't see the merits of eating healthy and clean living
>sure the data shows that those people live happier, more fulfilling lives
>but I just can't bring myself to believe it's true
maybe you should just try going to the gym and eating healthy and maybe you'll understand why it's good?
>LOL WHAT AM I A SHIZO???

Ok.

>>217657260
>Jesus wasn’t crucified because you reap what you sow
Non sequitur, stopped reading here. Better luck next time Saar

>>217657211
rabbinic judiasm didn't exist until the 5th or 6th century AD

>>217656207
>Science can now begin to provide a reason for the universe to exist
metaphysics is not science. you can make up any reason at all for the universe to exist and there would be no way to falsify it.

>>217656421
>dashing babies heads on rocks is the same as making them eat vegetables.

>>217656878
Deus Vult posting is PEAK tourist behavior.

>>217657307
Intentionally deceiving yourself into becoming religious purely for the community perks isn't healthy. It's insane.

>>217656035
Yahweh was a part of the Canaanite pantheon.

>>217657519
It's the core belief of Scientology, believe it or not

Wait until you learn that there actually wasn't a god named Moloch. The word is instead a name for the sacrifice itself and those babies were sacrificed to Yahweh.

>>217657230
and yet it's thousands of generations of humans who lived in misery and squalor

>>217657230
So God is incapable of noticing 95 thousand years of misery, but if you say his name in a joking manner he'll torture you forever?

>>217656910
Not as cringe as shilling for ISIS

>>217657211
Sure next you'll say the talmud is in line with the torah

>>217657513
>newfag lies to defend themself
Sad

>>217656551
You have been here two years max. It's always hilarious watching you retards pretend you know anything about how 4chan has "always been".

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>>217657770
don't you have a date with a banana later?

>>217657193
>he used an online bible verse checker
If you were reading from your own bible which you surely have as a real Christian you would have seen
Isaiah following verse:
>Make the heart of this people dull,
>And their ears heavy,
>And shut their eyes;
>Lest they see with their eyes,
>And hear with their ears,
>And understand with their heart,
>And return and be healed.
God is imploring Isaiah to close people's minds to him so that he can avoid giving them salvation.
Joshua following verse
>For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that He might utterly destroy them, and that they might receive no mercy, but that He might destroy them, as the Lord had commanded Moses.
Speaks for itself.

>>217657454
As I said we can make predictions on theories and see if they hold true, and we can and have for this particular theory. I'm also describing theoretical physics, not metaphysics. As I mentioned there are other meanings of "purpose". Those would fall under metaphysics but it's clear what I'm describing does not.

>>217657829
So he didn't just take away their free will. He took away their free will so he could utterly destroy them with no chance of last minute redemption.
Thanks for the clarification.

I love seeing brainwashed christcucks explain how brainwashed they are

>>217657767
>newfag lies to defend themself
>Sad
I literally watched you retarded tourists arrive here and start trying to force this meme in real time. There's no chance you are older than 20.

>>217655388
the weirdest shit is literally NOTHING in that pic is explicitly stated the way this is presented in the bible.

>>217657987
They have to come up with schizo theories to account for contradictions

>>217657803
Concession accepted.

>>217655388
A simpler way of explaining the trinity:
A man can be a son, father, a brother. Different roles but the same thing.

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>>217655317
>Me, me, why have you forsaken me?

>>217657531
As I said before (And you dishonestly ignored), the canaanites gods were worshipped by the israelites. Does that mean the canaanites gods were a part of the israelite pantheon? No. It's simple close cultures mixing and taking elements from each other.

>>217657937
Correct. Those are the three main examples of god literally and explicitly doing exactly that. As I said before there are countless other more dubious examples/possible mistranslations, accounts of god violating free will for more morally upstanding reasons, and various other characters talking about god doing so. But those particular examples I gave state explicitly and inarguably that god will deliberately exert influence on people's free will to maintain their sinning so that he can justify a retaliation upon them.

>>217657829
It’s not my job to do your work for you, man. If you’re trying to tell me that a verse shows that God takes away free will, the onus is on you to cite the relevant passage in its entirety.

>and be healed
It doesn’t sound to me like God is turning anyone away, more that he is allowing the people to experience apostasy so that they can appreciate turning to God later.

>heart hardening
Mistranslation, same as in exodus.

>>217656783
Xister, you're supposed to be larping as a nazi when you post the "jewish rabbi" gotcha to own the chuds, otherwise you're just a typical libshit seething at Christian nazis.
Libshit opinions haven't mattered for a decade so you have to larp as a nazi when spouting your libshittery..

>>217657767
>Not as cringe as shilling for ISIS
The warrior brotherhood on a holy war to establish a theocracy against the globohomo of burger imperialism? ISIS is heckin trad and based.

>>217658137
And I'm telling you that you are wrong. Yahweh was a later addition, but he absolutely did join the Canaanite pantheon and became one of El's sons. He even had a wife, Asherah. The entire reason why there's so much conflict about the Israelites constantly worshiping the "wrong" gods in the Bible is that to them they were all a part of the same group and simply got different amounts of focus depending on circumstance and whatever was needed at the time (ie. warrior god for times of war, agriculture and fertility for times of peace). The Yahweh sect were just butthurt because they wanted Yahweh worship only.

>>217657789
>the jew messiah of jew prophecy incarnate of the jew god born of a jew mother descended of jew kings in the jew book of jew mythology isn’t a jew- YOU’RE A JEW
Damn, lil bro, that’s crazy!

>>217658120
It's wrong though. Roles are not the same as divine persons.

God was non-binary

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>>217658436
>God the Father, who is never once referred to as anything gendered except “Father”, is ackshually heckin’ nonbinary!

>>217658594
God being the totality of all existence implies nothing else. I’m sorry you’re too nigger brained for philosophy. Then again, most christians are niggers….

>>217658630
But God isn’t the totality of all existence. He is the distinct architect and overseer of our existence.

>>217658718
>But God isn’t the totality of all existence
You obviously have never taken a shit ton of benadryl and experienced the oneness of all matter

>>217658163
>It doesn’t sound to me like God is turning anyone away, more that he is allowing the people to experience apostasy so that they can appreciate turning to God later.
He's saying the exact opposite of that. This is not an issue with translation interpretation but with your reading comprehension. The verse is quite explicit here.
>Go and tell his people
(god is talking to Isaiah here)
>"keep on seeing, but do not understand; keep on hearing, but do not perceive"
(what he wants Isaiah to say to the people)
>Make the heart of this people dull,
>And their ears heavy,
>And shut their eyes;
>Lest they see with their eyes,
("Lest" meaning "so that they don't" i.e. "so that they don't see the truth and earn my salvation")
The meaning is unambiguous. God is compelling Isaiah to deliberately close people's hearts to him so that he can withhold salvation from them.

>>217658760
>My source? I overdosed on OTC allergy medication.

I hear the shadow people don’t respect your pronouns after 25 Benadryl, can you vouch for that?

>>217658835
I think it’s an issue with *your* reading comprehension. God telling Isaiah to tell someone something does not remove free will in any way, shape, or form.

>the meaning is unambiguous
Yes, it is, but you’re too stuck in your nonsense to see it. Read the whole chapter and you’ll see that first of all, this is a prophetic vision from a poet. It is not meant to be taken literally, especially by someone as clearly unversed as you. Second, a proper analysis of the text reveals that God is telling the people that since they hear but don’t understand, God will withhold more from them until they are ready. This chapter is often interpreted as a vision of the Jews rejecting Christ’s ministry, not as a direct 1:1 conversation between Isaiah and the Israelites.

>>217655380
>it's mental when you think about it. but then again theists don't think very much, do they?
that's because you got the first part wrong.

>humans exist for 100,000+ years
Got any proof of that? Were you there?

>>217655657
soon I hope

>>217655830
The trinity is just that far beyond your comprehension. Don't even try to understand it.

>>217659058
>The trinity is just that far beyond your comprehension. Don't even try to understand it
because it doesn't make any sense

>>217658844
After a certain dosage the hatman will relentlessly misgender you. It’s true.

very cool
let's see what our neighbors are up to: https://www.youtube.com/live/SjnPV8Gz55I?si=FJljIEgNEHvr2M66&t=2128

>>217657982
Sure you were newfag. You were even here for who was phone right?

>>217658246
>ISIS is heckin trad and based.
You mean those Bacha Bazi boys they have. Imitating their prophet and his love of little boys?
>Musnad Ahmad 16245. "Mua’wiya said: I saw the prophet sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire)."
Shilling for ISIS is cringe

>>217659110
you have a literal pea brain

>>217659440
Do tradlarps literally have any ethics anymore besides gay sex? That’s literally what the entire identity has been reduced to. It might as well be a new religion.

>>217655552
refute a single one of my points
I'll wait.

>>217656421
Goud could just set up the world so that eating icecream for every meal is healthy

>>217656551
You will never be a Christian. You have no faith, no knowledge of the bible or real interest in religious practice. You are a deranged incel larping as a religious person. All the 'validation' you get is from other tradlarpers. Real christians look at you with disgust and consider you a spiteful degenerate freak. You will never be catholic. You wrench out a fake prayer every morning and hope that it somehow triggers and owns the libtards. Eventually the lack of sex will be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment, knowing that you would have never given them grandchildren anyway. They will bury you without giving you a christian burial since everyone knew you were larping anyway.

>>217655317
Whats so hard to get? Theyre 3 distinct entities that share 1 power but are also 1 being but also 3, dumb idiot

>>217659677
You'd be surprised. The top atheist minds on 4chan can't seem to wrap their heads around it.

>>217659693
>pagan
lmfao

>>217655657
When the weather cools

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>>217655380
>Make humans
>Specifically give them free will to make it so their decisions actually matter and so my prophetic knowledge can be challenged
>Reward their existence with a garden of all earthly desires, all needs met, can live and prosper forever
>Tell them they can do anything except one thing, one specific fucking thing because if they do it, it'll turn them retarded and if they turn retarded they're not allowed to stay in the garden because they would immediately fuck it up
>In all their free will, knowing all they have to do is not be retarded, they still choose to be retarded
>Explain they're getting exactly what they were warned of: Kicked out of the garden so they don't fuck it up
>Let them stew on that, so they can see how their retardation makes everything around them significantly worse
>Finally reach back out after they've had enough and offer to start helping out again
>Specifically ask a guy who is almost competent by retard standards, ask him a basic loyalty question thinking he'd just say yes but instead the retard legit tries to make a hypothetical practical
>But he's willing to listen so cut him a deal in return for cooperating
>Every single one of his kin keep trying to find new and stupid ways to skirt around the deal, keep having to smite them
>Have to tell one of them to carve a list of rules in fucking stone so they can't ignore it
>His later descendants continue to ignore it
>Realize these retards don't follow normal logic
>Know they listen to humans
>Produce a proxy through a human who has access to my means, basically me but also not me so that he can have a different perspective
>Have him end the deal and forgive them while explaining rules to other retards, and now no longer locked in with specific group of retards
>Yet again, retards keep ignoring and complaining that I don't wipe their asses after they went full retard even as I've actively forgiven their worst crimes and want them to come to logical conclusions on their own

>>217659711
>no argument
lol

>>217655317
What does Holy Ghost even do? Just flying around looking for virgins to rape?