Uh… meatbros…?
Vegans have never once given a valid argument in favour of veganism. All of their arguments hinge on faulty studies drawing false conclusions, ignoring 300,000 years of human evolution, outright lies and attempting to shame normal people into believing they're murderers. Veganism is nothing but ideology with no basis in reality.
>>217683350There is no argument against veganism within morality. Once you accept morality doesn't exist veganism falters. All of their arguments hinge on you believing in a magical skydaddy or some cosmic justiciar that will punish you for your sins. Vegans do not have a single argument for why a selfish, amoral individual should become vegan.
>>217683350Suffering makes meat metaphysically tastier
>>217683503>>217683565r/atheism tier
I dislike how cows are treated because it leads to lesser quality meat. It’s not the same meat our ancestors ate. Cows have been bred over generations to be fatty as possible. The reason is the saturated fat profile is so bad is because of shitty human farming practices, giving them no room to forage and making them eat only grain. The fatty marbling on steak is not organic. Natural Beef from a 100% wild grass diet is hard to source. Happens with other animals too, wild duck and salmon are lower in fat than farmed counterparts
>>217683565>magical skydaddyThis term outs you instantly but I’m pretty sure the Bible says specifically humans have dominion over animals on earth, hence the title of the film, m’lady.
>>217683618Is that not the tradeoff to ensure meat products are abundant and widely available?
>>217683607>muhh muhh redditYou don't even know what it means to be a redditor. r/atheism is full of moralfags who bitch and moan about all the "crimes against humanity" that god did in the old testament. Provide an argument as to why I should become an atheist, WITHOUT using language like "it's evil" or "it's wrong" or "what about animal suffering?"
>>217683651>why I should become an atheistwhy I should become a vegan*
>>217683565Meat production is incredibly burdensome on the environment and is quite bad in terms of efficiency per calorie production ROI. Beef and pork especially. Even if humanity wasn’t projected to reach 10 billion in population, if China and India were to eat the amount of meat as the average westerner we’d be fucked and the carbon cycle would destroy the atmosphere.
>>217683644It's a two edged sword, higher yielding animals = higher population (but because of this it just raises the bar and becomes baseline to maintain the current population, calling for even higher yielding animals or more farmland development to further increase population, we should have stopped at ~2 billion)
don't carewill always eat meatwill always mock vegans and vegetarians for being retarded faggots
>>217683350I have 4 teeth specifically designed for biting animals and I will continue to do so until they are gone.
will eat any 'dumb' animal or animal that barely even qualifies as an animal to begin withreposted cause I'm a retard and left out the most important and defining term; because of course I fucking did probably from not eating enough meat I'm concluding
I've never tried impossible meat and never will
>>217683695This isn't really for veganism per se and more about vegetarianism. I can understand that 100 years in the future most people will probably be vegetarians but I'm asking you why I should adopt the ethical philosophy of veganism, i.e. seeking to minimize the amount of harm done to animals.
>>217683618>Cows have been bred over generations to be fatty as possible.wrongthey're bred for more muscle meat. Maybe you're thinking of intramuscular fat which, yes, isn't healthy for the cow
>>217683743>will eat any 'dumb' animal or animal that barely even qualifies as an animal to begin withPlease don't eat indians
>>217683695>Meat production is incredibly burdensome on the environmentSo is crop farming.
>>217683350I farm and kill my own cows. People that eat meat and aren't willing to engage with the violence are faggots.I can respect vegetarians not pussies.
I don’t eat red meat that often, once or twice month(mainly stick to poultry and fish) but it’s gotten unfairly demonized over the past years. It’s not white bread or refined sugar tier. Eating lean beef once or twice a week is fine, it’s more nutrient dense than Chicken. Just don’t over consume which can be said about any other food. A lot of the studies done linking it to colon cancer and heart disease are observational which are unreliable plus a lot of factors come in to play>how cook it(charred meat is unhealthy)>how fatty is the cut>red meat eaters consume a shit ton of salt, butter, and eat it with sides like French fries>people in general don’t eat enough fiber
>>217683702Yeah but then the religious types scream about muh be fruitful and multiply shit. Yeah that may have made sense back in biblical days when the population of earth was under a billion people but clearly not anymore. But good luck telling Catholics they can't raw dog their wives and have 16 kids each. Same for Muslims but instead it's 16 nine year old wives each with 4 or 5 kids.
>meat has almost every nutrient you need >has every amino acid in the correct ratios>better eat seeds and leaves instead imported from the third world instead
Reminder, that red meat and meat consumption is lower than it’s ever been yet colon cancer is on the rise among young people, heart disease, and Gout rates are still high as ever. People want to blame one sole food as a boogeyman
>>217683350Bovines relish in killing over 30k farmers every year so think about that when your starving yourselves on some peas and carrots.
might switch to eggs mainly cause I always end up going to the supermarket and ultimately end up buying like 20 times more unhealthy snack-type trash than actual meat and also a pathetic horn-dog and just enjoy wandering around glaring at the random QTs since I was made a neet some months back and have no other way to at least during the day
>>217683503fuckin grow up. Vegans are annoying and all but they're right.Is it that hard to acknowledge that they have the moral high ground?We don't have to rely on meat anymore. We choose to keep the industry around because it tastes better.
>>217683834no you don't retard shut the hell up
>>217683979And here's another fine example of vegans being dishonest.>How do you do, fellow meat eaters! Do we really need meat though?You're fooling no one.
>>217683565>morality doesn't existPedophile moment
>>217683979>anime avatar poster>they're right because.... they are!>le moral high groundwhat being philosophically uneducated does to a motherfucker. Spend the next decade and 900 or so pages proving to me that "morality" even exists. After that good luck getting me to accept that I as my own agent should give a fuck that you did, or that "you" even exist at all.
thank you science
>>217683887Meat (specifically liver and kidneys) does indeed have almost every nutrient you need, however it is extremely lacking in carbohydrate (which is a macronutrient), vitamin c and others, it's nearly perfect.
>>217683979I think potato's taste better than red meat, however, I still see the nutritional importance of meat.
>find a nice online butcher about a year ago>buy a fuckton of ribeyes>live off of them for a month>friend says I'll get scurvy>meh, I don't think so>we make a bet>a year later I still only eat meat and dairy + eggs sometimes>back pain gone>carpal tunnel gone>never felt bettervegans just want everyone else to be as miserable as them - they just get a kick out of it for doing it for a "higher purpose", which is all bullshit anyway
>>217684064Why are you calling that guy philosophically uneducated when you aren’t even aware of secular moral frameworks
>>217684143>friend says I'll get scurvyYour friend is retarded.
Is there any good rationale or defense for how roughly 1 in 6 cows are slaughtered and then wasted, not eaten?Which amounts to millions of cows per year, and billions of animals when you add up all the other smaller slaughtered and wasted ones
Remember when they tried to push plant based mince>looks unappealing and tastes like shit>has more saturated fat than Beef>has less nutrients and was overall less healthy than lean beef or pork >full of added sodium and preservatives >marketing all centered looking like and tasting like ground meat because people crave that more
>>217684064>Spend the next decade and 900 or so pages proving to me that "morality" even existsEasy, I will relish every moment of discomfort, misery, and suffering you experience over the rest of your short life because you are, by your own admission, immoral. Can you truly say that all that happens to you is not a just punishment?
>>217684197Do you think the only use for a cow is meat? Everything on a cow is used for something.
>>217684191>you have to accept something if you're aware of it>t. unironic tranny marxist>>>/lit/
>>217684227>Everything on a cow is used for somethingOnly true for the other 5 cows.
>>217684217Can't do it huh? That's alright, go ahead and get relishing you big gay retard lmao
>>217684236>you have to ignore reality to make believeWow, you are a genius anon.
>>217684261>no argumentI accept your concession. Objective morality is already in the process of punishing you, lmao.
>>217684236I know you aren’t aware of it, you would not be so brazen if you were
>>217684266>>217684287>>217684292you'a'll'd've guxs are wicked dumb as hell dawgs
>>217684347>bro just be evil bro gods not real dog fr fr>I am very intelligentkek
>>217684064killing shit = badit's not that deep
>>217684371prove it cockfag (protip: you can't)
>>217683350
>>217684371Then eating plants is bad.Guess you better stop eating all together.
Fucking mackerel are likely more self aware than cows ffs
>>217684368>I don't believe in god (who said fuck animals lmao) but maybe if I pretend to someone will do what I want (this has and will never happen)these threads are such dogshit but of course the tranjan lets this off topic political spam go to 300 every time
>>217684389>pic related: (you) after you applied that logic to reality
>>217684438>you don't believe in god bro>bro god like hates animals bro>dude trust meAnd you wanted to pretend you were well-read? What a joke, lmao.
>>217684050>morality is simply a social construct and not an actual, real, tangible substance that can be measured or quantified >"you're a pedophile!"The projection is hilarious.
>>217684483>why yes I do reiterate the rhetoric literal pedophiles use to justify their actions>no I am not a pedophileRight...
>>217684440>>217684476What's it like being retarded btw? How btfo do you get when you try to make this retarded thread on /an/? How does it feel to know you're a seething pussy who is whining into the ether and not one person has ever faithfully engaged you in these threads and will never change their life?
>>217684513The common cope from pedophiles is that children can consent/love is love/retarded MAP shit. Your average pedophile is a sub-90 IQ shitskin like Lacari who does nothing but goon to weebshit all day, they are not interested in metaethics whatsoever.
>>217684513hahaha so epically owned and true my fellow pajeet bro, lets go shit in the streets and drink cow piss
>>217684549>they are not interested in metaethics whatsoeverYes they are. Because they argue "we're all cells bro" and "love is just a number" like you are doing defending the morality of slaughter. They absolutely want their to be no objective morality in this world to absolve them of the guilt they feel.
>>217684576>>217684549look at these pedophiles with their pedophile arguments lmoa
>>217684545>b-but! The Science!TMYou are going to hell.
>>217684410Look, I know you're obviously fucking with me. You can't be this retarded.As I said before, I eat meat. And I don't have to defend someone elses worldview. You can piece the rest of it together I think.
>>217684596>ctrl+f science>2 results >>217684065 >>217684596Nice pedophile argument
>>217684576Mhm, whatever you say Malpesh.
>>217684600are you afraid to get banned for avatarfagging? Where's your smug loli.png?
>>217684612>why yes I do echo the secular, godless world view modern globohomo society is based on>but I'm definitely a freethinker!Embarrassing.
>>217684600>You can't be this retarded.Are you challenging me?
>>217684614You do realize Hindus justify eating shit just like you justify eating meat right?
>>217684633>d-debate me....fuck off pedophile
>>217684647It's not a debate. You have no argument. That you aren't free of suffering shows you aren't immune to the consequences of your actions.
>>217684646>HOH NO NO NO NOOO LMAAAOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>217684646Hindus believe if they so much as look at a cow wrong they will get reincarnated as a housefly and eaten by a frog 10 times over.
>>217683350I think the manner in which we're all but forced to consume meat is the problem. It is not so much the killing of animals that bother me just the factory setting and style in which it occurs. I've always thought that if the shoe were on the other foot and another anim were deciding on whether or not to eat us they'd simply not give a fuck like most humans do too.
>>217684667>That you aren't free of suffering shows you aren't immune to the consequences of your actions.>existence existswow because of this meaningless sentence I guess I should be a skinnyfat malnourished retard and eat cow shit now. really mak u tihnk
>>217684678You're talking about poojeets who actually care about their religion. I'm talking about all the health benefits they tout for drinking piss and eating shit. You would do anything to justify your craving just like them.
>>217684678>country with hunger being a real issue >won't eat a walking, mooing, hamburger Any jeet being reincarnated as a fly would be an improvement
>>217684706look at this fucking pedophile justifying his oxygen addiction like the sick pedophile he is, fucking pedophile freak
>>217684685The problem is we're not animals. We possess the self-awareness to see past primal hunger and change ourselves. There is no need for us to add to the suffering of the world when other options would suffice, yet we make a conscious decision to do so, which is the essence of immorality.
>>217684728>no uWe already established why you were likely to be a pedo. The accufession is a favored tactic of the jew.
>>217684741>There is no need for us to add to the suffering of the world when other options would suffice, yet we make a conscious decision to do sothat's fucking based as hell
>>217684774so in addition to admitting that you were a pedophile you're now admitting to being a jew? Unsurprising desu.
>>217684803>no uAnon... Again?
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>>217683710>I have 4 teeth specifically designed for bitingFucking thread. To not eat meat is against our nature.
>>217684741Nature is cruel that has how it has and will continue to be. That being said there can be some improvements on our means of getting meat to plate. Orcas have some remarkable self awareness and they fuck with other animals constantly. My point is that we are what we are, we can and should improve, but beings of flesh consume one another. Until star trek "make me this thing" machine exists to give us an alternative I'm not feeling to bad about it.
>>217684845>To not eat meat is against our nature.How about cannibalizing our children? That occurs in nature. How about eating our dead? Children should not be allowed on this website.
>>217684852>he's seriously engaging with the spamming faggot who makes this thread twice a weekyou're being one of the gays again
>>217684741>The problem is we're not animals.spoken like a true low-level consciousness. you're just a rationalization machine ad hoc'ing bullshit to justify your feelings, with no rationality being applied at any point. enjoy your thoughtless axioms, retard.
>>217684865both of those things are cool and based, the pedophile jews don't want you to know it though
>>217684852>Nature is cruel that has how it has and will continue to beNature is just a system of interactions occurring in a universe where every particle is free to act. Unlike an animal, you possess the ability to make decisions beyond your physical nature, which is why we are sentient. Choosing to act like an animal when you can do better is the definition of barbarity and does not absolve you of choosing the cruel path when a different choice is available.
>>217684873
>>217684917>which is why we are sentientcitation needed*
>>217684873>spoken like a true low-level consciousness>but we're actually animals broAre you delusional? Can you even reconcile those two statements? It's a very simple concept, anon, if you choose the immoral path when a more moral path is available, you are committing an immoral act. Don't pretend there is no alternative to the slaughter of billions of animals. You wouldn't suffer, you wouldn't even starve if we stopped.
>>217684961Now kill yourself.
>>217684971SIRS ARE YOU TO BEING OF THE DELUSIONAL? CAN YOU EVEN TO BE RECTALFYING? BLOODY MARANCHOD KATACHOD SEVEN TIMES CURSED SON OF PUPPY WHORE BLOODY
>>217685003>seething this much over a simple line of thoughtJeez, and you thought you could act the intellectual? Lmao.
>>217684997not reading your reddit image
>>217683695My nigga animal life *is* the environment. If we stop eating cows and start eating something else, that something else is just going to take the “bad for the environment” cost that the cows did, and that’s assuming you even believe that the act of raising an animal constitutes something that’s bad for the environment, which I don’t. Animals make byproducts, plants eat the byproducts, and the animals eat the plants. It’s the circle of life, it’s chemically sound, and has been the meta for billions of years. ROI: true, but that’s assuming calories are the only component of food that matter. Animals have fat soluble vitamins, complete proteins, plentiful stores of 100% bioavailable iron, and a host of micronutrients that are simply not available from plants. Animals also store well, are mobile, and are more resilient to natural disasters than plants. Animal products like milk and eggs are really, really good for you too. A people may be able to survive without animal meat and animal products, but civilization cannot thrive. Also, God told me I could eat meat, therefore it’s moral. Checkmate, atheists.
>>217685022>the intellectual
>>217685028>erm.. source>jk I'm just being disingenuousWelp, that's another retard down.
>>217685038stop replying to this retarded spammer you dumb fuck. Just burn up the posts in the thread. He makes this thread at least once a week every week to practice his philosophical arguments nobody cares about that ultimately end in him saying "lol u r le child if you disagree with me"
>>217685061>my source is a reddit frog imagebehold, the power of eating cow shit
>>217685038>Animals make byproducts, plants eat the byproducts, and the animals eat the plants. It’s the circle of life, it’s chemically sound, and has been the meta for billions of years. Then eat plants, the cycle need go no further than the tertiary level; carnivores are incredibly inefficient.>Also, God told me I could eat meat, therefore it’s moral. Checkmate, atheists.Yet Christ fed hundreds with bread, odd.
>>217684197Rationale? Absolutely. There is not a single soul killing cows and throwing away the carcasses for no reason beyond wasting precious resources. Defense? Honestly probably not. I don’t like throwing food out of my fridge, and I think we can all be a little more efficient with our resources. Not in some “save the planet” way, but in a “good stewardship of your domain” way.
>>217685104>states he didn't read it>claims he knows what's in itWow, you really are btfo'ing me, anon.
>>217683350Is this about fox news?
Let's agree on one simple thing.None of us have seen the movie
>>217685148my man stupid a' hell
>>217685180>ignores the multiple citations and scientific evidence presentedThe frogs are there to filter redditors, I guess that means you.
>>217685126the most efficient use of resources is dedicated all energy and focus into the complete depopulation of india and africa, and all indians worldwide.
>>217685194>was told I didn't read it >ironically, can't understand what that means>actually the reddit frog is to deter redditorsgo try that argument on /a/
>>217685221>was told I didn't read it>Erm... I only looked at the funny frogsYou do understand what reading is? Right?
>>217685123Read the rest of the post, idiot. Animals and animal products are necessary for proper nutrition. >Hey Christians, if Jesus wants you to eat meat then why did he multiply bread?Jesus also multiplied fish, for the express purpose of human consumption. Twice. >Matthew 15: 32-39>Luke 5:1-11
>>217685240this nigga literally can't read lmao
>>217685259>engaging a bad faith propagandist spammerwhy do it?
>>217685123>Carnivores are inefficientYeah, that’s why they’ve been around for hundreds of millions of years, survived multiple mass extinctions, and are present in every major animal group. Protip: if you’re going to lean on science to prove a point, it helps to actually know some.
>>217685300Nice digits. I didn’t know he was a spammer; I haven’t seen a dominion thread in months.
The science is settled
>>217685259>Animals and animal products are necessary for proper nutrition.Animals do die, you know? They don't have to kill one another to replenish the soil.>Jesus also multiplied fish, for the express purpose of human consumption. Twice. So he allowed fish to mate, produce eggs, the fish to hatch and grow, before killing and serving them? Or did he just produce inanimate matter in the likeness of fish and give that to humans who like fish? This is semantics, but Jesus himself did not eat meat, far as I know.
>>217685279You can keep pretending to be retarded if you like, until you actually address my evidence, you aren't winning this argument which works for me.
>>217683979>Is it that hard to acknowledge that they have the moral high ground?They don’t. They never did. They have never articulated a moral problem with meat consumption.
>>217685306>Yeah, that’s why they’ve been around for hundreds of millions of years, survived multiple mass extinctions, and are present in every major animal group.Does that make them not wasteful? They are surplus to requirements. You could kill every single one, and the biosphere would survive, just as it has when we got rid of wolves. Again, though, your argument is that we should act like the mindless animals, which is not going to convince anyone.>Protip: if you’re going to lean on science to prove a point, it helps to actually know some.>dunning-kruger.jpg
>>217685341Answer honestly, you disingenuous retard: what natural vegan diet gives you plentiful, unfettered access to heme iron, vitamin b-12, calcium, and complete protein? The soil doesn’t need the nutrition. (You) need the nutrition. >But muh Jesus fishAll fish came from inanimate matter, I don’t know why this is being brought up. The point is that Jesus is okay with (You) eating fish because he made fish (For You).
>>217685363>d-debate me....no lmao>>217685413shut up dumbass
>>217685439>Answer honestly, you disingenuous retard: what natural vegan diet gives you plentiful, unfettered access to heme iron, vitamin b-12, calcium, and complete protein? The soil doesn’t need the nutrition. (You) need the nutrition. Did I say I was a vegan? I don't want people killing animals for their meat. Whether they use science to produce artificial alternatives fill the void or cease altogether is fine. Cheese, dairy products, and eggs, though? I see this as a lesser evil so long as the animal is not killed to produce them. Also, I don't care about what is natural; we have the ability to provide these nutrients completely independent of any meal if you desire them so much.
>>217685375Believing meat consumption is ok/good leads to contradictions and absurdities, such as it being ok to kill humans for meat etc since there is no symmetry breaker between the sentience of humans and animals, animals experience pain, pleasure etc like humans and you just mass killing them for you pleasure, so yes eating meat is a moral problem
>>217685520>>217685522nobody cares
>>217685450>no lmaoIt's not a debate, lmao; you forfeited when you refused to examine the evidence. Nice self-own though.>shut up dumbassIrritated are we?
>>217685544Cared enough to reply
>>217685522Why is there a moral problem with killing something just because it’s sentient?
>>217685545>it's not a debate>>217685363>until you actually address my evidence, you aren't winning this argumentENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?~le angry black gentlemen>>217685554no u
>>217685619>erm.. it's not a debate not because I lost but because I refuse to defend my beliefs>erm... but I'm right thoWhy do you keep replying again?
>>217685636to waste your time deliberately and burn off the replies in your thread and report you for spamming when you repost it
>>217685413Define ‘wasteful’. Plants don’t use 100% of the sunlight they capture. Are they wasteful? Cows don’t use 100% of the calories in the grass they eat. Are they wasteful? Carnivores don’t use 100% of the calories they consume either, and by that logic all organisms are wasteful. I disagree with you because ecosystems take the waste into account. Detritivores exist, scavengers exist, and in order for something to be “wasted” it has to have been rendered unusable, which simply doesn’t happen in a functioning ecosystem. Your argument is stupid because it relies on arbitrary lines of “an animal eating another animal is inefficient but an animal sating a plant isn’t” and doesn’t hold internal logical consistency. Try me again, Mr. Dunning.
>>217685608Same reason we generally believe killing humans is a moral problem, which is also the only real reason why killing humans is a moral problem, our sentience
>>217685649>and burn off the replies in your thread and report you for spamming when you repost itAn amazing self-own. There we have it, ladies and gentlemen: a disingenuous shiptoster, and he admits it. So what you're saying is I was completely right? Nice.
>>217685651stop wasting your time dumbass
>>217685649
>>217685681oh wow I'm so epic owned now it only took me telling you outright after probably 50 posts blatantly doing it for you to figure it out. Behold, the vegan intelligence
>>217685651>Define ‘wasteful’. Plants don’t use 100% of the sunlight they capture. Are they wasteful?Plants make up for this inefficiency by outnumbering all other forms of life. They are not wasteful because all of their energy is reused. That is what I mean by wasteful. When an animal eats another animal, not all of the energy brought up the chain is used, meaning it is wasted. Proportionally, this amount of energy wasted is greater is much larger for carnivores, which is why the largest animals are herbivores. Did you think I meant the biosphere was some 100% efficient system? Carnivorous life is not needed.
>>217685730>which is why the largest animals are herbivoresyour mom is an herbivore?
>>217685713Oh, you told me on your first post, I just enjoy forcing you to admit it. Now you can't deny it, which I prefer.
>>217685760>bro do you even Science(TM)?>bro like your mom is le fatSo this is the power of being free of morality.
In every single civilized country there's laws how you're able to treat animals humanly. If a slaughterhouse/meatfactory is breaking the laws and mistreating the animals, that's bad yes. But I live in a first world country where that is not allowed and can eat meat with a conscience
>>217685767you're genuinely stupid as fuck
>>217685794Sending people to the gulags and camps was the law, I heard they had swimming pools and theater, i go with conscience too
>>217685794yeah but imagine if everything was different and the roles were reversed in some kind of impossible thought experiment that doesn't cohere with reality? Bet you feel foolish now
>>217685730>Plants aren’t inefficient because there are more of themThat’s not how efficiency works. Also, by that logic India is the most efficient nation. Your rebuttal?>All of their energy is reusedNo it isn’t, the laws of thermodynamics would like to have a word with you (see my earlier comment about needing to know science if you are going to resort to using it).>more energy is wasted higher up the food chainAgain, define ‘waste’. I argue that the energy isn’t wasted because it is accounted for by other things that eat what the major carnivore doesn’t, and I will also argue that the higher caloric energy difference is because carnivores tend to have higher cognition, which is a major caloric expense. >Carnivorous life is not neededNo life is needed, and by that definition all life is inefficient. You still aren’t able to draw a line between producers, herbivores, and carnivores that is logically consistent.
>>217685797Yet your rhetoric isn't doing so hot this thread, odd.
>>217685832what rhetoric?
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>>217683503You must be intentionally clueless or a retarded nigger. It's quite basic to give a valid argument for or against anything, including veganism.Premise one: If you aim to decrease the unnecessary deaths and harm done to animals, then you are compassionate and care about animal well-being.Premise two: Vegans aim to decrease the unnecessary deaths and harm done to animalsConclusion: Therefore, vegans are compassionate and care about animal well-being. This is just a basic modus ponens argument which is deductively valid. If by valid, you meant "I don't agree with it" then you are a retarded nigger misusing terms. The rest of the nonsense about evolutionary history is also retarded since we can eat a plant-based or primarily plant-based diet and be healthy when it is responsibly planned (like any other diet).
>>217683817Guess what consumes more crops: the tens of billions of land animals (not including the trillions of farmed aquatic animals) or eight billion humans. Use your brain for this one, it's a hard question to answer.
>>217685933>If you aim to decrease the unnecessary deaths and harm done to animals, then you are compassionate and care about animal well-being.non-sequitor, get the fuck out
>>217685964What's gonna consume more crops if everyone goes vegan?Now, I know that one's a real headscratcher, but I believe in you. You'll get it.
>>217685830>That’s not how efficiency works. Also, by that logic India is the most efficient nation. Your rebuttal?Lol what? They don't need to be 100% efficient because they cover most of the planet's surface. I was talking about the cycle of nutrients through the biosphere. It doesn't matter how much or how little outside energy is entering the closed system because everything else depends on it. Do Indians do photosynthesis?>No it isn’t, the laws of thermodynamics would like to have a word with you (see my earlier comment about needing to know science if you are going to resort to using it).He says that after talking about 100% of sunlight being absorbed. I do not mean 100% of their energy, as in the totality of what they are. I mean if a plant can provide 500 calories then it provides 500 calories; it isn't an elk or a deer where the carnivore literally cannot consume all of the animal's potential nutrients. I know you want to make this overly complicated to mire it in semantics, but the simple truth is you don't need carnivores, and you haven't explained why we do.>Again, define ‘waste’. I argue that the energy isn’t wasted because it is accounted for by other things that eat what the major carnivore doesn’t,So who is eating the bones? If an animal dies, some of the energy is not restored. The fewer animals die, the less inefficient things are. The cycle makes up for this, of course, with energy from the sun, but again, why keep the carnivores around? Why act like them?>You still aren’t able to draw a line between producers, herbivores, and carnivores that is logically consistent.In an ideal system, plants are eaten by animals, which eventually die and are recycled into the soil to produce more plants. Carnivores only exist to disrupt this cycle and don't do anything the others can't.
>>217685964your mom
>>217685990AYO MY NIGGA THINKS HE'S A PLANT LMAOOOOOOOOO
>>217683350>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T EAT THAT CUTIE PATOOTIE
>>217685972>If I do something out of a feeling of compassion, it is compassionate>erm... no that doesn't make senseJesus Christ, you people are stupid.
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>>217685972Not only can you not spell the word you are trying to use, but you posted the conditional proposition in the first premise as evidence of a non-sequitur. Non-sequiturs apply to conclusions that are not supported by the premises. The inference is modus ponens, I laid it out for you but since you are a retarded nigger you can't follow the point I made. Try again dumbfuck. >>217685987The question was: guess what consumes more crops, the totality of land and aquatic animal agriculture or human beings? Answering a question with a question misidentifies the point, retard.
>>217685987>farm animals consume 70% of the crops>humans consume 30%>if we get rid of the animals then humans will consume 150%>checkmate!
>>217686062yeah well state your praxis and axioms, tranny
>>217685794What's humane about castrating infants or macerating them? All legal btw. And all part of typical industry norms. Clipping beaks, tail clipping, thumping newborns which are unable to grow to adulthood, or gassing male chicks. What's humane about that? Humane is "having or showing compassion or benevolence" btw.
>>217686123they aren't humans dumbass
>>217686139>we don't have to feel anything for them because they're lesser than us!>sure if I was a cow, I'd feel pretty bad about being bred only for slaughter but I'm not!How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>>217686111I see we have unequivocally pivoted from the claim that vegans cannot produce valid arguments, since I presented a formally valid deduction and none of the mouthbreathers in the thread were able to respond to the point. >>217686139Neat, where'd the term 'humans' pop up in the term 'humane'? Humane is a different word from human btw, maybe you haven't gotten to that English lesson in your lessons yet, Ranjeet.
>>217686173>if things were different... well they would be!HOLY SMOKES, CONTACT REDDIT IMMEDIATELY!>>217686179>where'd the term 'humans' pop up in the term 'humane'?the first 5 letters>humane(adj.)>mid-15c., a parallel variant of human (adj.), with a form and stress that perhaps suggest a stronger association with Latin humanus than with Old French humain. Human and humane were used interchangeably in the senses "pertaining to a human being" and "having qualities befitting human beings"
>>217684741Human beings are animals. Is this the level of retardation you niggers have? If we aren't animals, then what are we? Plants? This is your brain when you need to obsessively "debunk" veganism to the point of pigeonholing yourself into a creationist argument lmao. Fucking retards I swear.
>>217686214>I can't empathise with anything other than myself, which justifies my actionsNigger.
>>217686235>dude imagine if the reality wasn't actually real and things were like DIFFERENThit the bong again nigger>>217686221debunk these nuts you retarded malnourished faggot
>>217686214Nice etymological fallacy, the question was: where'd the term 'humans' pop up in the definition of the term 'humane' I provided? You want to argue that because the words are similar and use the same letters in the same order that one can only be "humane" to those types of things that are "humans"? Sure, then the word "starfish" only refers to "stars" as celestial bodies since the word "star" appears in the word. Or maybe.... wait it can't be... maybe the term refers to something other than the root term? >>217686253I accept your concession. It's really that easy to run circles around non-vegans since they don't even know what veganism entails.
>>217686281I'm significantly smarter than you'll ever be <3
>>217683350This film is absolute performative bullshit. The animal experiments part is completely fabricated and all suffering comes from their spy fucking up constantly. Honestly if this made you vegan then you never had any will to begin with. You are a mindless drone with maladaptive empathy desperate to join a cause. Soon you won't be able to be with non vegans, you will rationalize that 0.4 milk powder is worth throwing food out and you'll just be alone but that's ok, because the internet. I watched it while eating 4 meat gumbo. Absolutely pathetic lack of critical thinking
Reminder you can eat slaughter byproducts (organs, blood) and not contribute to supply and demand as animals are never slaughtered specifically for their organs or blood.
>Devolve argument into semantics>Haha I winPlant-based arguments.
>>217686307uWu are you.... a fellow vampire? *bristles nervously*
>>217686324if you want to help me burn up this retards thread just we can both report him for spamming when he reposts it
>>217686221>Human beings are animals. Is this the level of retardation you niggers have? If we aren't animals, then what are we? Plants?We are souls inhabiting physical bodies if you must ask. I'm not arguing we're not flesh and blood like animals, but they eat meat because they are slaves to instinct and desire. Humans do not have this issue; we have a choice as a result of being able to reason, and if you willingly choose the option that creates additional suffering, you are making an immoral decision. Morality is not some social construct; it is the causal relationship between how energy is employed and for what. Constructively? Good. Destructively? Bad. If you choose to act destructively, you will be punished by reality.
>>217686298Wanna try answering the primary point I made instead of running like a pathetic nigger? >>217686302It's an empirical fact that animals are tested and experimented on, that's an ongoing process and a norm in many industries. We use rhesus macaques in scientific research in North America today.
>>217686373Oh, you folded instantly. So we are animals and we exist, as living organisms, in the capacity of an animal life form (and not something else, like a plant). With all the same evidence that is claimed of humans (regarding possessing souls), I can claim the same of animals. There's nothing stopping me from saying that my dog is personal to me and that he possesses a soul that other dogs do not.
arguing about the morality of eating animals is for gay retards. Asking that they be treated better and not tortured or abused is totally fine. But humans are omnivores and vegans have to rely on fortified foods and supplements for things found in abundance in meat. At this point the argument is really environmental. Which is why we need a moon farms are some shit. We just don't have enough room for livestock and humans
>>217686373>We are souls inhabiting physical bodiessource? >if you must ask.nobody did >I'm not arguing we're not flesh and blood like animalswhy not? >but they eat meat because they are slaves to instinct and desire.prove this empiricaslly >Humans do not have this issue;why?>we have a choicesource? >and if you willingly choose the option that creates additional suffering, you are making an immoral decisionprove this >Morality is not some social constructsource? >it is the causal relationship between how energy is employed and for what.imagine employing your energy being as retarded as you are. Quite amoral
>>217686377>Wanna try answering the primary point I madenot particularly no lol. Gonna cry?>>217686428just depopulate india and africa
>>217683979>anime avatar attached to postopinion discarded
veganfags have no presented one single solid argument in this threadwhat the hell, at least make up something good.
>>217686422>So we are animals and we exist, as living organisms, in the capacity of an animal life form (and not something else, like a plant).In this universe, the thought literally counts. Being able to think as we do puts us in an entirely different league from animals, and we have a responsibility to act differently. The excuse that "it is natural" is simply cope.>With all the same evidence that is claimed of humans (regarding possessing souls), I can claim the same of animals. There's nothing stopping me from saying that my dog is personal to me and that he possesses a soul that other dogs do not.Did I say they didn't have souls? I'm saying as a higher being, you have a responsibility to all lesser forms of life. If you choose to seek pleasure at the expense of pain and suffering for others, you will be punished due to the causal relationship between all things. The greater the malice you hold in doing so, the greater your punishment. It's quite a fascinating mechanism.
>>217686377Yes, I do research on animals and have worked in the US prior. The standards minimize suffering and generally provide a good quality of life. I have not seen propaganda footage that's dated post-2017 btw because the regulations changed. Anyway, let me break down my original statement since you missed it: a routine, instant and painless euthanasia procedure is actively botched by the cameraman 3 separate times to get some footage of "muh animal suffering". All suffering there was staged. By supporting the film you support someone who hurt animals on camera, which uhh kinda against your code of honour, dude. Not tubular at all.
>>217686510>In this universe, the thought literally counts.why?> Being able to think as we do puts us in an entirely different league from animalswhy? >and we have a responsibility to act differently. Why?>The excuse that "it is natural" is simply cope.Why?Flesh out each of these assumptions fully
>humans (and a large part of the animal world) have survived on consuming other creatures for like half a billion years>other half eat plants which are alive too>even microscopic organisms eat other microscopic organisms>uhhh, you can't do that anymore because it makes me feel badgay argument. im just gonna assume you're gay
>>217683350>movie's main gripe is that meat processing plants are dirty and inhumane>none of the ultra wealthy actors on the poster created an alternativeI'm starting to think they don't actually care.
>>217686453No, I'll just take my internet victory and move on. You gave up defending the point so it's a done deal at this stage. >>217686496>>217685933>>217686510>Being able to think as we do puts us in an entirely different league from animalsSure, I'm not doubting that we have a more complex type of cognition when looking at other animals. The point is that we are also animals. >>217686512>The standards minimize suffering and generally provide a good quality of lifeWhile being sold and treated as property to be tested upon. Remind me again, what happens to the animals, like mice or rabbits, once they are no longer beneficial to R&D? You state it yourself: they are euthanized. >I have not seen propaganda footage that's dated post-2017 btw because the regulations changedSo post-2017, animals are not treated as objects to be tested on and euthanized once they are no longer viable? That's what is being objected to here, not that the particular instance of euthanasia was botched. But you are a retarded dishonest niggerlover so it makes sense that you wouldn't be able to follow the things vegans say or believe.
>>217686430>source? Already posted it earlier>nobody didIf I recall you said "what are we">prove this empiricasllyBy doing what? I could put a tiger in front of the same kind of animal it eats over and over to see if it will eat them, and do you think it would ever just decide not to? Maybe, but the animals aren't running the slaughterhouses.>why?Because you can weigh the outcomes. You understand that you do not need to eat meat to survive.>source?You need a source to tell you that you can choose not to eat meat? Are you ok, anon?>prove this Study history, and you might notice it. Maybe I'm crazy, but no society that has ever slaughtered animals has survived all that long.>imagine employing your energy being as retarded as you are. Quite amoralQuite right, I could be doing something far more productive and the consequences of using my potential energy in this way will have repercussions. Of course, I don't pretend I'm moral. I'm human. Sinning is inevitable, and I do notice the punishment when it happens.
>>217686592>You gave up defending the pointWhat point? That I'm significantly smarter than you will ever be? I've trounced you for this entire thread lol.
>>217686616>a bunch of half baked non-argumentscan't do it huh? Thanks for your concession
>>217686592Yup. Because that's progress. You stand on the shoulders of giants. Go be retarded somewhere else. Also this is an imageboard and you have to be 16 to post here.
>>217686619The non-vegan has already forgotten the discussion's starting point. It can't even remember what was said so it has to flail out and try to grab onto anything it can. Anything at all to avoid actually discussing the primary issue. Like I said, it was a pleasure curbstomping you but you guys make it too easy. All's I need to do is talk for 5 minutes and you will forget what your own points were or what you were responding to. All that carnist brain fog, probably. >>217686653I legit thought it was a joke but non-vegans will literally make a point then immediately back-pedal or just acquiesce 5 minutes later. It's surprising how often they end up agreeing with vegan positions.
>>217683607Yeah the overlap between vegans and atheists is substantial.
>>217686546>why?Again, I posted it earlier; human thought affects the distribution of random number generators, and this can be replicated.>why?Because your thoughts can lead to a much greater degree of potential outcomes.>Why?Because you will be punished by reality if you don't. The more gasoline you have, the bigger the fire will be if you let it ignite.>Why?Because we fundamentally know we're different and have different destinies.It's such a simple concept that I don't understand why so many people can't understand it.
>>217686633>gives simple answers>still can't understand itEh, not my problem.
>>217686668I haven't engaged a single one of your arguments ever. Someone replying to you doesn't mean they are the same person you were replying to you absolute newfag retard.>>217686680>>217686680>uh actually I read a heckin reddit article about LE DOUBLE SLIT EXPERIMENTconsider me fucking scienced dawg, you must be in highschool!
>>217683350What's some other "Humans Are Cthulhu" kino?
Arguing with vegans is a gigantic waste of time because they will never be satisfied with an answer.You could close down every single slaughterhouse, and make it law that no animal can be used until it dies of old age, and they still wouldn't be happy, because it's fuck all to do with animal welfare and everything to do with forcing you to stop doing something they don't like.
>>217686730>actually I can't support a single thing I posited so I'll just call them simple answers.....write a book addressing historical philosophical arguments regarding each position you put forward and why your insights have more merit if you want me to take you seriously.
>>217686784You could join me in cooming and shidding on OP and wasting the posts in his thread
>>217686777>LE DOUBLE SLITWhat? This isn't about quantum physics, having more and less people thinking about the same thing will change the distribution of numbers in a random number sequence to opposite statistical extremes. The possibility that this is occurring naturally is so minute as to be almost impossible, hence why it is proof that human minds have a tangible, if minor, effect on reality. Again, you should've looked at it.
>>217686830didn't read. Anyway in 90 posts your thread will be almost bump locked and that's when I'll stop posting, when you've still got about 10 posts left before it sinks to page 10. And if you repost it I'll report you for spamming.
>>217686806>actually I can't support a single thing I positedBut I can, no only by showing that human thought literally affects the world around us and by demonstrating all the instances where immoral people and societies were punished not just by other people, but by the world around them.>write a bookMaybe eventually but we don't have time for that, do we? In any case, I'm not explaining it for your benefit, but for mine and that of others.
>>217683695I have noticed that nearly all environmentalist arguments hinge on what "environment" is best for humans. for example, "it'll get too hot for humans to be comfortable". but life will continue regardless. environmentalists are almost always human-centrist, human-supremacists. it's quite ironic.
>>217686668You're beyond retarded if you think I backpedaled. Eat some grass, I will be perfusing 20 mice tomorrow and there's nothing you can do (they will of course be anaesthetised and will feel nothing). The mice will actually contribute to society and humanity at large. Try doing the same, yeah?
>>217686887>But I can, no only by showing that human thought literally affects the world around usI know how to do chaos magic, I'm sure you don't and you're posting this unironically lmao>and by demonstrating all the instances where immoral people and societies were punishedJust world fallacy, certified retard >I'm not explaining it for your benefit, but for mineyeah I know this thread is just you practicing masturbating>and that of othersLMAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>217686863>Anyway in 90 posts your thread will be almost bump locked and that's when I'll stop posting, when you've still got about 10 posts left before it sinks to page 10. And if you repost it I'll report you for spamming.Oh, I'm really scared, anon. Not that I'm OP of course, since I don't need a film to tell me eating meat is immoral. So far you tried going "heh eating meat is based" and then backpeddling all the way until it's just "look, I lost, but it took you a bit!" If you come to a future thread, the same thing will probably happen, but the more lurking normies I redpill, the better.
>>217686926you aren't "redpilling" anyone you gigantic retard>DAE cheesburgers le bad?go back to throwing up behind your parents back you 16 year old girl
>>217684483>hey don't hurt people for no reason and don't cause unnecessary suffering>NO WAY GOD ISNT REAL, THAT MEANS WE CAN LITERALLY ENSLAVE AS MANY ORGANISMS AS WE WANTThe problem isn't obvious to you now, but when the new order has to start taking away the rights of the empathetically handicapped, I guarantee you'll feel it then The problem is that your brain lacks the structure to understand that things outside of your experience are real. But some pliers and osseus-blugeons should fix that
>>217686920Well, I don't need to think it: it's what happened. Non-vegans love to bend through the rhetoric as if nothing they say can be used against them. I can just scroll up and read the positions in the thread about animals and animal-testing. It's that simple. Since you are a niggerlover and cannot read, it is more challenging for you. >(they will of course be anaesthetised and will feel nothing)Wow that makes it better, good thing films like Dominion show the "humane" enslavement and "humane" euthanasia/testing of animals as objects. The non-insane, non-niggerlovers might object to such treatment on ethical grounds, though.
>>217686964>>217686968shut up fags
>>217686923>magicYou can call it that if you wish; I would call it neural physics.>Just world fallacy, certified retard Yet these things did happen, didn't they? Sure, the punishment varied, but don't tell me immoral people live happy lives. The number of miserable whores, druggies, and degenerates who don't is proof enough. Also, since we know the universe is not simply matter but is affected by thought, the likelihood of there being an afterlife where this mechanism comes into play is even more likely. Again, you don't need to believe it, you are being influenced by it right now. Every illness, every pain, every unfortunate coincidence you experience is the result of you and others refusing to grow up. By treating thoughts as literal things, I've already noticed changes in the world around me.
>>217687006>if you eat meat you are...... le miserable whores, druggies, and degeneratesreally is that why vegans all look like grey dicksucking faggot slugs 10 years older than they actually are? You're a malnourished faggot and literally stupid as a result xD
>>217686950>you aren't "redpilling" anyone you gigantic retardSurely you don't think we're the only ones in here? It's easy for people to start examining their actions and how the world reacts to them; that's the basis of morality.>go back to throwing up behind your parents back you 16 year old girlHe says this, but wouldn't last 10 minutes in a slaughterhouse. That you aren't weary of violence and death is proof enough that you wouldn't.
>>217687058>le empty platitudes about nothingI know your brain is starving and you're a retard but you can stop proving this at any time
>>217687042>is that why vegans all look like grey dicksucking faggot slugs 10 years older than they actually are?Does being vegan automatically make you moral? If you fornicate, if you harm others, if you lust after things, then you will experience a fitting punishment. It's not just what you eat, it's how you live as well. I like how angry you are at the idea of there being another path. What, are you regretting yours?
>>217687188blow me hitler digits
>>217687121>I know your brain is starving and you're a retardAnd how do you know that? You can't prove it, and, ironically, you're simply citing platitudes of your own, I..e, "vegan bad, meat good." I'm not even a vegan, lmao.
>>217687188>the idea of there being another path.ah yes the other path of being chronically malnourished and having to pop pills nonstop and resorting to just eating fucking twinkies due to self inflicted retardation
>>217687213I haven't stated one thing in this entire thread other than personal insults.>I'm not even a vegan lmaobased argumentfag
>>217687245>ah yes the other path of being chronically malnourished and having to pop pills nonstop and resorting to just eating fucking twinkies due to self inflicted retardationAnd yet everyone I've known who does this still eats meat. Apparently, a nice bowl of pasta with a cream sauce, mushrooms, and some bread is too much for some people.
>>217683350Im on a carnivorish-keto diet now (healing my gut) but one day I'll try full plant based shit
>>217687256>I haven't stated one thing in this entire thread other than personal insultsTrue, but the point was never to convince you, simply that we not in favor of the slaughter of animals were morally right, which we have done with your help.
>>217687262>lieswowie zowie>>217687290>weLINK THE DISCORD, SISTER!
>>217687000It'll be fun when your kind loses their right to freedom. You want to think like an animal, that's fine. But then there's no shoes, no plumbing. No shelter. No electricity. I'm sure you'll be fine, you're an apex creature that can enslave anything alive right?
>>217687308>liesIs my dish of choice going to leave me malnourished? Is a spinach salad with some croutons, cheese, garlic, and seasoning too much to ask humanity to endure to end the suffering of billions? Woe, you are a punished soul.
>>217687317>delusion postingawwww are you getting upset?>>217687359>cheeseyou monster
>>217687359don't forget about the little debbies cookies you have to eat every hour to stop your brain from realizing your body is constantly eating itself from chronic malnutrition
>>217687377>you monsterWhy? The cow gets shelter, protection, and food in exchange for giving me their milk? I don't have to take them to a charnel house and slice them up for it, do I?
>>217687394>don't forget about the little debbies cookies you have to eat every hour to stop your brain from realizing your body is constantly eating itself from chronic malnutritionIs this projection? Why would a bunch of sugar counter malnutrition? Is my cheese pizza going to kill me if I don't put pepperoni on it?
>>217687403>Vegan arguments against dairy center onthe inherent exploitation, cruelty, and separation of calves from their mothers, as cows must be repeatedly impregnated to produce milk. Male calves are often killed immediately or raised for veal, while female calves face the same cycle as their mothers. Additionally, dairy farming is criticized for environmental damage, including high greenhouse gas emissions and land use.
>>217687426>pretending not to know that the overwhelming majority of vegans give up and eat boxed carb garbage because its a horrifically unhealthy and difficult, pointlessly retarded lifestylelol lmao
>>217687432>Vegan arguments against dairy center onOne, I'm not a vegan, so this doesn't apply to me. Indeed, the treatment of dairy cows is tragic, but if you're saying you can't do it more humanely, you'd be lying. Tell me how to take a steak out of a cow humanely?
>>217687460Oh so your saying the suffering of animals doesn't matter to you if you enjoy some arbitrary product? Interesting!
>>217687452>its a horrifically unhealthy and difficult, pointlessly retarded lifestyleIt's horrifically hard to boil some pasta, pour some cream and butter in a saucepan with some mushrooms, and reduce it? You do know how to cook, right anon?
>>217687483no anon actually I've only ever eaten chicken tendies in my life. Only malnourished vegetarian retards have ever figured out how to cook anything. Thankfully we have you, a retard eating pasta and mushrooms who's brain is being eaten by his starving body to show us the way.
>>217687482>Oh so your saying the suffering of animals doesn't matter to you if you enjoy some arbitrary product? Interesting!Oh, it does, hence why cheese, butter, and cream should be used sparingly. In exchange for the cow not being eaten by wolves or freezing out in the cold, it gives some of its milk, which is the tradeoff. An imperfect solution, but far better than industrial slaughter. I'm not sure what your point is? Is it that we can't be reasonable and must totally obliterate the cow and all its progeny immediately and turn it into food because it's hypocritical to raise a cow and not do that?
>>217687517>who's brain is being eaten by his starving body to show us the wayYou do realize entire civilizations have been built on eating just grain, right? You seem rather delusional. Have you ever eaten a salad, fatso?
>>217687557I have obviously won. You look like a raving lunatic
>>217687557>Have you ever eaten a salad, fatso?
>>217687575O'rly? I'm not the one obsessed with eating snackfoods instead of nutritious meals they cook themselves.
>>217687605>goalpost movingAgain, I'm not a vegan, lmao. Shall I find some meat eaters who were less than based? How about pic related?
>>217687613> the one obsessed with eating snackfoods instead of nutritious meals they cook themselves.that would be vegans, refer to >>217687605
>>217687630>Photoshopped image of a 100 year old interdimensional lizardcompelling
>>217683503You believe its ok to exploit and kill other lifeforms just because they are dumber or something?>>217683565Actually, the Bible is not vegan. Very clearly the Bible is all for blood and sacrifice.
>>217687743>You believe its ok to exploit and kill other lifeforms just because they are dumber or something?yes? Are you stupid? What do you think we're going to do about the india problem?
>>217687778Animals are the most innocent things on this ugly earth. And you don't even have to eat them, and you still do.
>>217687815you have to be 18 to post on this website
>>217687778The India problem is a belief system, it only exists inside your head mainly
>>217687943go drink cow piss you streetshitting faggot
>>217687845Ad hominem
>>217688258empty, laughably stupid horseshit isn't an "argument"
>>217688279You're the one who has to argue why it is ok to kill and eat innocent creatures when there's no necessity to.
>>217688442>You're the one who has to argueI don't have to do shit lol
>>217687815>Animals are the most innocent things on this ugly earthb8
>>217683350LifeFeeds on Life Feeds onLife
>>217688478That lion is not smart enough to be a vegan.Also, if the lion was attacking, it would be fine to defend one's self.
>>217688596>That lion is not smart enough to be a vegan.source?
>>217688618Felines are obligate carnivores. Their bodies can't product a lot of amino acids because they get it by consuming critters that have all those goodies in them. Also if you just eat meat, you need a much less complex digestive system because its all more easily absorbed nutrition than having to break down plant matter. If you ever want to see something weird, look at the digestive system of a vampire bat. It's pretty much a straight shot from mouth to ass with a little pocket for a stomach.
>>217684126> I still see the nutritional importance of meat.For what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zssA5v7hxE
>>217687743Strategy #4: Attempts to shame.
>>217688696what does this have to do with the intelligence of lions?
>>217688740It's a yes or no question.
Veganism is just the beginning of elites trying to push mankind into eating chemical slop. They’ll do plants next, just watch, we already know that they can feel pain and in newer experiments they show signs of intelligence.
>>217688777No, it's a blatant attempt at shaming and an appeal to emotion, and you know it is.
>>217688798Tofu, Seitan, Lentils, and more. None of it is chemical slop.
>>217688826>actually just eats pop tarts
>>217688743Because you need a knowledge of biology, nutrition, and advanced agriculture to do any of that.
Everytime I see this post I go out to pick up some veal.
>>217688858can you prove this?
>>217688596>smart >veganNice one while equating humans to animals nonetheless, zero self awareness
>>217688871What I meant by 'smart' is that Lions do not have the intelligence to create alternative food sources.
>>217688918how do you know this? Source?
>>217688918Oh ok then
>>217688862I can't remember the last time I had veal. My mom used to make a badass veal milanese that would melt in your mouth.
>>217688937Yes, I'm not saying non vegans are dumb. This is a moral issue.I was just saying that Lions do not have the intelligence required to create agriculture and other technologies required for Veganism.
>>217688967>I was just saying that Lions do not have the intelligence required to create agriculture and other technologies required for Veganism.how could you possibly know this? Source?
>>217683350Society as it stands doesn't exist without the industrialization of meat productionThe actors doing voice over work would be bakers or some other lower jobThe people that shot the footage would also be in a similar situationIt's simply the price paid for societies to function at the scale they currently are we are past morality here
