>check Lord of the Rings>Tolkien's Magnum Opus>Fantasy is divided between BEFORE and AFTER TOLKIEN>the "apex predator" are dysgenic leper-cancerous "corruptions" with semitic features (orcs, trolls, goblins, etc) with no actual predator features (no strong jaw, no sharp teeth, no long claws, etc)>despite Tolkien love semites (his god was one) >because he's christian, there is no evolution just devolution, ex:>"Elves fading, humans becoming more corrupt">according to Tolkien himself, all this devolution is Ilúvatar's perfect plan to "improve" his Creation Tolkien killed Fantasy, unironically. George R.R. Martin, Peter Jackson, Netflix and Amazon just killed its zombified version. Perhaps, in the future, after all this cultural decay finally dies, we will see a purified Fatansy that embraces the cold sharpness of constant warfare / biological evolution, the PRIMORDIAL TRUTH, like Robert E. Howard materialised in Conan.
>>217772318There are plenty of other genres if you want ”cold sharpness”.Just read Ie Carré or something.
Copying Tolkien was a business decision by some publisher, can't remember the name. Blame them and the others copying lotr instead of shit talking Tolkien for writing what he liked.
>>2177723801. I'm a Fantasy Enjoyer, if I wasn't I would not made this post. It's sad seeing its actual state.>Ie Carré?2. Can you give me other recommendations?
Keep seething, brown person
>>217772495>NOOOO DON'T BLAME THE ABRAHAMIC THAT RUINED FANTASY, BLAME THE OTHER ABRAHAMICS THAT FOLLOW HIM!!!!
>>217772517>t. abrahamicuck
>>217772544>>217772533Your civilization never archieved anything of note over the last 2000 years.Anything they did well we did better and improved upon.Your hatred is such an obvious result of your inferiority complex I can't help but smile.Keep it up please.
The only good parts of the "Tolkienverse" are the ones when Humans tried to fight for their freedom and rightful supremacy (industrialization, futurism, Haradrim still fighting despite the Ring was destroyed).The rest is just abrahamic ritual humilation against the goyim because they dare to oppose Eru-Yahweh and now must suffer until the world is destroyed by him.>"muh perfect plan for the creation, nothing personal goy" - Eru
>>217772733Your knowledge of Christian theology is at best severely lacking.
>>217772803>um actually, your Jewish fairytale media literacy is severely lacking, please educate yourself my fellow goyfriend
>>217772880Just facts. Attributing Tolkiens sentimentality for "unspoiled" nature to his Christian faith is moronic.
>>217772803>the perfect god allows imperfect minor god to do the most evil things imagine>"it's all part of my plan, mortal (goy); also if you try to become immortal like your cousins the elves (chosen ones), i will nuke your island" - Eru (Yahweh)
>>217772971The comparison doesn't make sense no.
>>217772733Extremely kino picture, what is this from?
OP is a low IQ brownoid that can’t appreciate European fantasy. Many such cases.
>>217772318A lot of reaching for a manlet here.
>>217772318half of your complaints kinda bebunk themselves
>>217772318>anon doesn't know what apex predator means
>>217773043Ringz of Powa', awful show but the VFX department earned their salaries.
>>217773121>abrahamicuck fantasy>europeanLol, lmao even.
>>217772318Tolkien was a closet pagan.>eru is omnipotent... except he can't keep disorder and corruption from ruining his creation>eru is the only god... except other premordial 'things' exist outside of him like Tom Bombadil>demigods beneath eru, because a monotheistic god needs more gods and goddesses to partition into male/female and different domains of rule>demi-demigods aka angels beneath the demigods, because eru can't directly manifest in or interact with his own world just because>but the angels are pagan gods like Gandalf quite literally being Odin>Tom Bombadil, enough said>Tolkien went to great lengths to ensure his kids believed in Santa (Odin) as long as possibleI mean people already joke that Catholics are pagan-lite because of all the Mary and angel worship, but he took it to a whole new level.
>>217772318This reads less like a legitimate critique of Tolkien's work and more like an outlet for your irrational hatred of Christianity, and I say that as an agnostic
>>217773278You ever heard of the concept of "fiction"?
>>217773280Indians/chinks/whatever, they just can't help it.
>>217773267Anglos are ashamed of their ancestors, hence they always need to steal someone else's. The average Anglo tradcath cannot even conceive of the idea that the people who wrote the bible aren't his ancestors, and that their mythology isn't really his.
>eru is omnipotent... except he can't keep disorder and corruption from ruining his creationhe can, he just choses not to>>217773278>eru is the only god... except other premordial 'things' exist outside of him like Tom Bombadileither Tom Bombadil is eru, or eru created him and Tom is just older than middle earth, with isn't really anything special in the grand scheme of thingsThe other stuff is just eru letting other beings he created play around with his creation, I don't see how this contradicts anything
>>217773280I don't hate christianity, I think is stupid (like the rest of the religions), but if you are going to do a fantasy based on it, at least, don't add the same theological problems of its IRL version.I despise WoW theogony for the same thing and WoW is if not 100% pagan, at least it's 90%.
>>217773342You are a fucking retard dude. Seriously you heard that LOTR has some christian themes so you you look at the story and just assume it's ALL Christianity? While knowing nothing about the topic at hand?Seriously you are dumb as fuck, don't try to interpret anything ever again.
>>217773278Umm... acksually Tom Bombadil is Eru in his disguised form.Also, you are forgetting that was Eru himself that intentionally made Melkor and Mairon (Sauron) suffer an extreme form of OCD just to "improve" his creations with all their evilness, because for them Eä wasn't perfect enough>Melkor thought it should be redone from its beginning, aka destroying the actual one>Mairon thought it could be reformed, aka not destroying it, but still has to suffer a great transformation that requieres heavy industrialization and bio-engineering
>>217773325I'm sure this drivel makes sense in your head. I can't even fathom the basic gist.
>>217772318>the "apex predator" are dysgenic leper-cancerous "corruptions" with semitic features (orcs, trolls, goblins, etc) with no actual predator features (no strong jaw, no sharp teeth, no long claws, etc)they aren't apex predators, just evil corrupted humanoid beings. also how is this a critique when you go on about fantasy and religion? clearly they don't follow any evolutionary science rules
>>217773407>You are a fucking retard dude. The projection is strong in this one.>Seriously you heard that LOTR has some christian themes so you you look at the story and just assume it's ALL Christianity? Yeah, because Tolkien saying again and again that the theology of his lore was based in his catholic faith with a little of norse paganism, was not clear enough for you.
>>217773299>I love my Abrahamic religion so much, that it's of the utmost importance that I impress my children with the same understanding and love for God>So I'm going to write letters from Santa to them constantly until they're 20 to ensure they know modernized Odin is real>Also music is the holiest and closest thing to God materializing, not Jesus or Communion>no sand people tales anywhere in sight>no abrahamic values in the books, just european ones
>>217772318Are the jews in this room right now, OP?
>>217773448No he didn't and even if he did that wouldn't mean it's just a dressed up presentation of catholic theology as we are talking about FICTION seriously just shut the fuck up you are embarrassing.
>>217773450The books are filled with references to Catholicism, idiot
>>217772318Oh boy, I am sure this isn't just another seethe thread sponsored by agent Catboi.Where are the records, little Nick?
>>217773416You are proving my point. Anglos are so accustomed to passing off the mythology of other cultures as their own that they cannot even understand that Jewish lore isn't theirs.
>>217773420>science>'knowledge' in latin>each world has its own rules of nature, reality>be me, just want to know how the nature of this world, that I find interesting, works>"WAIT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW THE NATURE OF THIS WORLD WORKS?! IT'S FANTASYYYY, JUST CONSOOM IT, DON'T LOOK FOR ITS INNER LOGIC!!" - (you)Indeed, Fantasy, at least this days, is lame af.
>>217773528>wipopy didnut even season dey cultchaReminder that Hitler allied with muslims against white Europe.
>>217773476>just shut the fuck upNo.>as we are talking about FICTIONTolkien wrote an awful fictional theology.
>>217773545So you have no response, lmao
>>217773564That was my response, Mohammed. Gonna mald about Tolkien some more so that agent Nicholas can shout you out during next FedCast?
>>217773199>it's mentionated that orcs were the base of Morgoth and Sauron armies>it's mentionated how Sauron, and later Saruman, """perfectionated""" Morgoth's orcs to make them the "perfect" not soldier but war-machine>they look like ingerlander lepers in welfare programsBravo, Tolkien and Jackson.
>>217773586>Noooo you can't point out that the Bible is Hebrew mythology!! You must be an Islamic fed groyper!!!The absolute state of tradcaths.
>>217773630Where are the records, Nicholas?
>>217773325Kek. Indeed anon.I also find funny how some people think the orcs are based in the germans (anglos' cousins), since anglos called germans as 'huns' back then (Germany was part of the Hunnic empire in Late Antiquity) and the orcs in the first concept arts look like a mix of hunnic and germanic soldiers.Also, how to forget about Tolkien being so christian that he wanted to be ethnic jewish, just to "own" his german cousins.https://www.elephantjournal.com/2011/08/what-j-r-r-tolkien-said-to-the-nazis-when-they-asked-if-he-was-jewish/
>>217773325We don't need your shitskin desert gods.
>>217773721>be Varg>be an anti-jew "pagan">can't stop simping for Tolkien>Tolkien, the catholic (abrahamic 2.0) jew-lover (>>217773710) Wtf happened with the norse peoples? They can't stop spitting out the most pathetic things ever said.
>>217772318>Tolkien killed Fantasy I know you're 12, but I assure you that Fantasy will live on...
holy ragebait thread
>>217773755Varg is an absolute retard. Nobody with more than two brain cells takes him seriously.
>>217773765Anon, why you post black people?Post actual orcs (uruks).
>>217773512The books are also filled with references to ancient historical and mythological texts he read throughout his studies, but because no one knows those texts people presume he made them up, and only catch the biblical themes.
>>217773759>I know you're 12Anon don't project your mental age into others, it's cringe.>Fantasy will live on...>The Witcher>GoT / HoD>Wheels of Time>Ringz of Powa'>Red Sonja>He-Ma'am>Deathstalker>and more slop and remakes to come Kek, lol, lmao even.
>>217773710>Tolkien being so christian that he wanted to be ethnic jewish, just to "own" his german cousins.He respected them, I can't blame him when his only interaction with jews was through the bible/history, and an upperclass friend he made at school. Tolkien was against genocide in all forms and preferred the idea of uplifting people rather than destroying anyone or thing (besides evil.)In any case, he knew the Germans weren't evil anyway and outright said he feared what would happen to the world if the Germans (redacted in picrel) lost the war, which would result in a shallow American world where everyone assimilated... like we're currently dealing with. Shame, it's much worse than he imagined, since instead of civilized whites assimilating it's whites being drowned out in third world hordes.
>>217773450Lembas is a reference to the communion breadFrodo and Aragorn are both Christ-like figuresTolkien's later writings, especially his notes on world building for the Silmarillion, published by Christopher after his death are choke full of Christian metaphysics including an outright reference to the Incarnation of our Lord
>>217773765Where there's a whip. Theres a way.
>>217773944>>217773964The duality of Tolkien's fans.
>>217773968>Tolkien's orcs are blacks cuntfirmed>Tolkien considered it was ABSOLUTE LAWFUL GOOD to exterminate them since they're irredeemableHold on a second, Tolkien... based?
>>217773944the author of that comic is a disingenuous plebbitor
>>217774254>faganon posting redditor comicsEvery. Single. Time.
>>217774141No, Tolkien did not consider Orcs irredeemable.
>>217774254You can't refute it
>>217774515It’s already been refuted several times within this thread. What you meant to say was, “I’m a disingenuous retard who will argue from a position of obstinate stupidity.”
>>217774727>It’s already been refuted several times within this threadWhere?>disingenuousWhy are incels so obsessed with this word?
Um.Tolkien didn’t kill fantasy. The nerds who copied him did. They didn’t even understand Tolkien.I remember telling someone in my D&D group that Tolkien’s elves don’t actually believe in magic, and they lost it on me.Mordor is applicable to the modern day abuses of industry and war and the black hideousness of it.Everything Jeff Bezos stands for Tolkien had despised. THAT is the irony of the whole shitshow at Amazon.
>>217773721>We don't need your shitskin desert gods.Literally the only reason you even know about paganism is christian monks who kept records and Marvel Comics.
>>217774791The great thing about Lord of the Rings is that it can be interpreted through a lens of science fiction. It’s just taking a more magical shape. The elves are sufficiently artistic. The ainur are basically angels/AI.
>>217774824Yep. Elves make stuff so beautifully and so fairy like, it appears magical. Gandalf goes out of his way to don the wizard hat, because it’s his part to play the sagely or wizardly guide. He may as well be a wizard. He’s a wizard to the elves (and men) the same way the elves are magical to men. Magic is a bar. Gandalf isn’t a wizard back home in Valinor.
>>217774824>>217774871Meanwhile the black machines of Mordor are so horrific and so evil looking they’re considered forms of black magic.“How are fairy forest people not magic??”“How are machines and bombs magic??”Lord of the Rings fans are retarded. They don’t even understand the psychology of magic. Tolkien did.
>>217772318>George R.R. Martin, Peter Jackson, Netflix and Amazon just killed its zombified version.I like how you only list mainstream sloppa that would've been bad no matter who they aped. The newer Conan adaptation was just as bad, so Howard doesn't transcend his writing being raped either. The well isn't poisoned, the people bringing you the water are poisoning it as they serve it to you, but you still want to blame the well.
>>217774791>be Tolkien>the only GOOD path is the one with 0 technological improvement>if mankind tries to do anything new is le bad>Nümenor deserved to be nuked by Eru>Eru allowed Númenor's corruption in the first place>"giving immortality to goys, I mean, humans, lol lmao" - Eru>"my works are allegories, but yeah you MUST submit to Yahweh and he has the right to allow you to suffer, because you can't enjoy good without suffering" - Tolkien, probably>"Amazon is le Mordor because... industrialization is le bad... because it's just">Solarpunk never to be found>"also, Eä gets nuked in the end of times because... because Eru's perfect plan or something"Nerds that copied him were retards, I agree, but Tolkien started all this retarded crap.The only good thing of the Amazon's show and I hate it with all my being, is that its show how retarded were the "good guys" too, specially the insufferable pointy-ears (like Galadriel) and the low-cost "hobbits".
>>217772318>embraces the cold sharpness of constant warfare / biological evolution, the PRIMORDIAL TRUTH, like Robert E. Howard materialised in Conan.Half of Conan's stories were about finding some fallen civilization whose city was inhabited by gibbering subhumans while the last member of the forgotten race is dying off
>>217774897>magic, since the Dawn of Man was the phenomena that humans could not explain due to lack of knowledge>Tolkien: "magic is... ehm... the inherent, natural power stemming from a being's spiritual stature." The most pretentious and obnoxious writer of English literature of the XX century.
>>217774899>The newer Conan adaptation was just as badI never said the nu stuff was good.>I like how you only list mainstream sloppa that would've been bad no matter who they aped. Yeah because it's the mainstream sloppa that sadly influence the current state of the genre.>The well isn't poisoned, the people bringing you the water are poisoning it as they serve it to you, but you still want to blame the well. >"look look Pretentious quote n.32869493, that proves i'm right" - you>Howard doesn't transcend his writingI can still enjoy his stories.
>>217774930>fallen civilization whose city was inhabited by gibbering subhumans while the last member of the forgotten race is dying offIndeed, pretty cold sharpness of reality. And there's Conan, creating his own destiny where he builds his own empire / civilization.Unlike Tolkien and his "abrahamic-norse inevitable fate, any progress is le bad, all is devolution, I can't wait until Eru-Yahweh nukes this world".
>>217773592It's like you've never seen any media involving supper soldiers.They obey orders. They fight. They're good at it. That's all you need. Literally the definition of the perfect soldier. Nothing says they have to look pretty doing it.
>>217774959That’s not it at all, you fucking moron. Magic is in the perception. It is the mind’s eye. There’s a reason why the eye within the triangle/pyramid is the perfect symbol of magic. It’s an angle. It’s as relative as power is (and magic is associated with power). He called it enchantment. That of being enchanted by something to the point of seeing it as magic. The negative of this is sheer horror. These things start religion. Looking to the stars was enchanting enough to cause all sorts of imaginations. Accusing the stars of being gods is no different from accusing someone of being a wizard. Galadriel was literally confused when Sam described her magic mirror as magic. She understood WHY, and she certainly appreciates nature enough to somewhat agree. “I guess so. Behold the magic of the elves”. It’s like if a future person showed someone a cellphone and said “behold, the magic of the future”. Meanwhile atheists will shame you for describing nature and science as divine or magical. So soulless they are.
>>217775072Very plebeian post
>>217773944the 'no allegory' thing goes both ways. that includes all references to pagan gods like odin.he used the source material he liked, discarded what he didn't. it's a tree he made, with roots deep in certain parts of european culture, but it branched off and became its own offshoot. there is no point debating it. i enjoy it as it is. a simple tale.
>>217772318Very cool ESL babble about things you will never understand. Now please don't post ever again.
>>217775072>There’s a reason why the eye within the triangle/pyramid is the perfect symbol of magic.There isn't because its not a symbol for magic, brainlet. Its a Christian symbol for providence.
>>217772318I had the weirdest dream last night I was watching Two Towers and the intro was completely different, like the hobbits were riding motorcycles and all this reddit humor zany shit was going on and I was like what the fuck was the movie always this bad? Awful dream.
>>217775141I frequently have nightmares like this about Return of the King, ever since the Hobbit films came out. I suppose it might be because the Hobbit trilogy kind of is to LotR what the Star Wars prequels are to the OT, so deep down I am scared that Jackson will go full Lucas and create a "Special Edition" of the LotR films one day and have the real ones hidden away.
>>217772318Are you the guy who was complaining about the orcs not being cool and Norman enough
>>217775072>nature-lover fag posting faggy memes>he will be the first one to burn forests the moment he sees pagan sancturies or gets baited by ticks or encounters processionary caterpillarsStop acting like this, faganon.
>>217774912>the seething plebbit level fedoratheist
>>217773592Uruk-hai aren't invincible ubermensch, they're stronger orcs that aren't weakened by sunlight. They still get cut down by the dozens.
>>217775141>Númenor under Tal-Mairon was a steampunk utopia >if Eru-Erebus didn't have nuke it >The Shire would be now a solarpunk utopia with hobbits riding solar-powered motorcycles made of mithrilYou don't hate Eru-Erebus enough.
>>217775315>steampunk>solarpunkgo back to r*ddit already
>>217775069>anon thinks pretty and cool-looking is the same>anon is a retard>>217775279>Saruman the Hack
>>217775104Stay retarded. Keep hating Tolkien.>>217775138Nope it’s the symbol for magic. It’s very much associated with the occult. Or just the logic behind it.>>217775229Just say you hate nature.
>>217775346>anon learns new terms>anon automatically thinks about reddit>reddit lives rent-free in anonKEK. What a loser.
>>217775069>supperDammit, that menu meme has infiltrated my brain.
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>>217775385>Nope it’s the symbol for magicNo, brainlet, it isn't. Where are you even getting this nonsense from?
>>217772318God, nothing like Conan fanboys whining that their sweaty roided up manchildren are slightly less popular than Lord of the Rings.
>>217775378Again, what does that have to do with performing their function? If anything, the opposite makes them more terrifying and intimidating which works psychologically in their favor.
>>217775455>anon starts having fag thoughts the moment he reads the name 'Conan' >projects it into othersLmao, Tolkienfags are real fags.
>>217772880You don't get to bitch and moan about something you have no idea about, no matter how much you don't like it.
>>217775512Seething, malding, pitiful, sad!
>>217773944You can tell a lefty faggot made this meme because it's way too long. The left can't meme
>>217775493>performing their function?>performingGetting nearly wipeout against 2 men, 1 elf, 1 dwarf and 2 hobbits, and running away the moment they get the 2 hobbits without checking if they have the "thing", scared that the 1 man left and the elf and dwarf may get them. You can't make this shit up.
>>217775563You might be genuinely too retarded for kino. It's okay it happens.
>>217775563They're intended for the battlefield, not special ops. This is what they had the Nazgul for.
>>217772318I'll never understand the hate for Christ. He denounced the Jews and called them out for what they are. He told them to their faces that they weren't the chosen people and gave his life to show they are the enemy of mankind. Pretty based if you ask me.
>>217775668>Nazgul>the spec ops>they weren't send to this spec op >despite they could feel the Ring better than uruks and they have dragonsBureaucracy is a pain in the ass.
>>217775455Conan is completely superior to LotR which is basically a white supremacist fantasy and will be discarded as such. Especially after Amazon is done with it.
>>217772880>goyfriendKek.
>>217775732>jew of sect X hates jews of sect Y, now goy you must submit to sect X and hate sect Y plus destroy the religion of your ancestorsSorry to hear that your parents are brothers, anon. Sad, really sad.
>>217773944
>>217775642>something retarded happens>"NOOO ANON YOU DON'T GET IT, IT'S ACTUAL KINO, MAKING NO SENSE IS THE GOOD PART, YOU NEED MEDIA LITERACY!!!"We have found the redditor.
>>217772733To be fair, Eru never demanded worship.
>>217775825>Eru: "I don't want nor need your worship.">Humans: "ok, so we're free, we can achieve immortality by ourselves with this cool gifts from Annatar.">Eru: "NOOOO, NOT LIKE THIS, I'M GONNA NOOOKE YOUR ISLAND, I'M NOOOOKING IT!!!"
>>217775824Denial and the Dunning-Kruger effect is really common amongst retards
>>217772318>>because he's christian, there is no evolution just devolution, ex:>>"Elves fading, humans becoming more corrupt"This a common concept. Hesiod already talked about it in 700 BC
>>217775072>according to anon, elves have "magic" to do cool stuff without destroying nature >never teach other species>get shock when other species start disliking them>never built "magic robots" to fight the war instead of sacrificing themselves>never search for the Ring, not knockout Isildur to throwing in it to the lavaGarithos was right, everything bad that happens is elves' fault.
>>217776034Hesiod like Homer were hated by other greeks for writing fanfics that were blasphemy against the Gods. Plato wanted to burn all their works for portraying Zeus as a serial-rapist.I would not take them as an example to follow.
>>217772318>LotRTolkien's actual Magnum Opus is The Silmarillion.>Orcs are peak predatorsThat claim actually makes me question you having read anything from him, or having a functioning brain.
>>217776186>The Silmarillion.>the work that has a canon change every few years because Tolkien fucked up his mind trying to figure out if ourcs have souls or not>that work>the Magnum OpusKek.>orcs >highly adaptable >develop infrastructure ultra-fast >grow in numbers even faster >have discipline, war knowledge and are great warriors>according to anon they are not apex predator because... they just are not, STOP ASKING QUESTIONS AND CONSOOM FANTASY-SLOP!!!Anon, I think you're the one without functioning brain here.
>>217775434The symbol of the eye goes all the way back to ancient Egypt.Sadly, he is not the retarded one here. You are!
>>217775881He only acted when they broke their oath. That’s the only thing Eru will actually punish people for.
>>217776342Show me a single use of the symbol from ancient Egypt.You won't, because the symbol was first used in Renaissance Europe.Oh and btw, you don't get to shift from "the eye in the pyramid" to just "the eye" now. Of course humans have been drawing eyes since forever, but that wasn't your initial claim.
>>217776339So which is it? Are they Apex predators or not? Be consistent with your disingenuous arguments if you are making them in the SAME FUCKING THREAD.
>>217772318I like Conquest
>>217776365>"I allow child grape, animal torture and other awful things (ex: Gollum eating human babies), but I will start nuking the shit out of you if you break an oath (that was injust)." - Eru, Tolkien's Absolute Good
>>217776398The eye of Providence is heavily influenced by, and likely derives in part from, earlier Egyptian symbolism, sorry bub; specifically the Eye of Horus (Wedjat). The specific, modern iteration of the symbol (an eye enclosed in a triangle with rays) emerged during the European Renaissance, it still draws on a long history of eye imagery symbolizing protection, divine power, and omniscience. The observer, the minds eye, is the beating heart of magic and religion.>Oh and btw, you don't get to shift from "the eye in the pyramid" to just "the eye" now. Of course humans have been drawing eyes since forever, but that wasn't your initial claim.Yes I fucking do. You’re only thinking of a specific context of eye-symbolism. You are about as retarded as the people who think the Pythagorean theorem was first discovered by Pythagoras. No. They simply reinforced and coined their thing.
>>217776441Respect. >>217776418Seethe more.
>>217776484lmao so you gave up and now have to claim that you were just talking about generic eye symbols all alongyou got btfo hard, uneducated brainlet. you're american, aren't you?
>>217775138Christianity and the Renaissance had massive impacts on the world of the occult. So yes, magic. Strange how you do not associate the two. Christianity was also influenced by earlier Judaism / Jewish mysticism.
>>217776526I accept your concession.
>>217776478Yes. That’s how the LoTR universe works.
>>217776484>The eye of Providence is heavily influenced by, and likely derives in part from, earlier Egyptian symbolismliterally 0 evidence of that. you know eyes exist and everyone is familiar with them, right? people don't need to consult egyptian hieroglyphs to come up with the symbol of an eye
Lol at the amount of kids that lose their minds once they realize that Tolkien loved nature and hated industry. You’re so torn you don’t know whether to call him a fag or a redditor before Reddit.Tolkien would have been disgusted by LotR merchandise the same way he was disgusted by Disney marketing. He would have wanted Bezos shot.
>>217776579The eye is incredibly symbolic because it’s so prevalent. Sight and observation are the windows into the experience. To say it’s not symbolic because it’s so common is kind of stupid and low IQ on your part. And yes there is plenty of evidence. That it’s inside a pyramid at all…
>>217776597>Lol at the amount of kids that lose their minds once they realize that Tolkien loved nature and hated industry.One more reason why Tolkien would have despised the chuds who pretend to love his work.
>>217776614>To say it’s not symbolic because it’s so common is kind of stupid and low IQ on your part.I never said its not symbolic. That is another goalpost shifting on your part because you know you lost.>And yes there is plenty of evidence. Show me.>That it’s inside a pyramid at all…Its inside a triangle symbolizing the trinity, it has nothing to do with Egyptian pyramids. You know triangles exist independently of Egypt too, right? It is truly astonishing just how little Americans know
>>217776579The concept of an "all-seeing" eye dates back to ancient Sumerian culture (3rd millennium BCE, roughly, although it’s likely older) and the Egyptian Eye of Horus (a symbol of protection, healing, and the sun). The triangle symbolizes the trinity. But it also symbolizes the pyramid which symbolizes ancient Egyptian wisdom, which reinforced notions of the Prisca Theologia—that Christianity was proven in the ancient past—that an ancient true theology goes all the way back. And that this is shown in ancient Egypt. Hermetics blended Egyptian mysticism in with the divine esotericism of God and Judaism. It’s what led to modern science. Sort of. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing. The point was that the symbol of the eye (the perception) within the triangle (angles of perception) or the later pyramid (dimensions of perception) is a perfect symbol/analogy for magic and religion. It’s not the same for everyone. It’s very much a one sided affair.
>>217776647The symbol of triangles being sacred is a lot older than Christianity you idiot. And yes, Egypt is definitely evidence for the sacredness of eyes. The entire culture was associated with pyramids. That you can’t connect the dots is hilarious.
>>217776698>—ChatGPT. Not gonna read. You lost, American.
>>217776615Tolkien was a chud
>>217776647>Its inside a triangle symbolizing the trinity, it has nothing to do with Egyptian pyramidsIt actually later incorporated the pyramid. It went hand in hand with occult truth and ancient knowledge. The idea of God also likely came from around Egypt.
>>217776478>child grape way to out yourself
>>217776731You called me AI. That means I won this. You’re so threatened you have to assume I’m not even human.
>>217776478Go back to r/atheism, you don't know a thing about metaphysics, retard
>>217776715>The symbol of triangles being sacred is a lot older than ChristianityNever said that Christians were the first to like triangles. I just said that they didn't get them from Egyptians.>Egypt is definitely evidence for the sacredness of eyesAs is probably every other culture? Doesn't mean that everyone got it from Egypt.>The entire culture was associated with pyramidsDoesn't mean that every triangle in other cultures derives from pyramids.>That you can’t connect the dots is hilarious.as an American whose entire "education" derives from tiktok and Netflix, you sadly cannot understand that associating things that look alike isn't a way of providing evidence for historical connection.
>>217776735No, chud.
>>217776647What’s your gripe here? That Christianity invented the eye within the triangle? It’s debatable since it’s such a simple concept. But they certainly reinforced it through artwork. The original statement was that the symbol was perfect for magic and religion. I wouldn’t disagree. Christianity is indistinguishable from magic and western esotericism is built upon it. It’s a myth/meme that Christians didn’t perform magic, or magic by any other name.
>>217776779>muh metaphysicsPseud shibboleth
>>217776815Tolkien also disliked equalitarianism, communism, feminism, immigration and globalizationAnd he supported right wing autocrats like Franco in SpainHere's your progressive hero, reddit
>>217776822>That Christianity invented the eye within the triangleYes>It’s debatable since it’s such a simple conceptHow can you make this claim since you deny that the concepts of triangles and eyes individually, not even combined, cannot be invented separately by different cultures but must originate from the Egyptians? Show me an eye inside a triangle prior to its Christian use in the Renaissance or shut up
>>217776789>As is probably every other culture? Doesn't mean that everyone got it from Egypt.Nobody cares. The point was that the symbol of the eye and the triangle/pyramid has been ingrained into occult/magical thought throughout the centuries, and the eye of providence was inspired by earlier symbolism. Such basic symbolism. Overwhelmingly basic symbolism. Anyone could have done it. Why not a square? The triangle coincided with the Trinity. It also coincided with the concept of ancient Egyptian knowledge since eventually people saw triangles and pyramids as dimensions of the same thing, and what are pyramids most associated with? Egypt. What did the Christians use as proof of the ancient veracity of God/Christianity? Egypt.
>>217776832>t. brainlet
>>217772318>see a purified Fatansy that embraces the cold sharpness of constant warfare / biological evolution, the PRIMORDIAL TRUTH, like Robert E. Howard materialised in Conan.You're too fucking autistic for fantasy. Tolkien is about archetypes, mythology, world-building and grand moral lessons. Sounds like you'd be more interested in a history book. History is awesome, don't get me wrong. But you're missing all the things that make fantasy qualitatively enjoyable.
>>217776865Because eyes are usually drawn in/on something. A triangle is a basic shape. Why not a circle or a square? By that point it’s only a matter of cultural relevance. It’s like assuming people thousands of years ago didn’t attempt to make a sandwich. “What if stick two breads together on meat??”. Do you really think it’s so far fetched?
>>217776789>Doesn't mean that every triangle in other cultures derives from pyramids.That’s not the point. The point is once you see the two you will likely connect the two. It’s why they turned the eye of providence into a pyramid. It just looked cooler and evoked more mysticism.
>>217776855>And he supported right wing autocrats like Franco in SpainNo, he didn't, that is another chud lie which proves that your only "knowledge" of Tolkien comes from pol memes.
>>217776866>>217776888>>217776904So now you give up your claim that the eye in the triangle comes from Egypt? you are as dishonest as you are uneducated
I do find it funny how angry people get when I tell them that magic is just some point of view within the world of middle earth. It doesn’t exist to the elves the same way it exists for men. The elves are too used to what they do. The same way modern man is too used to our devices.People forget the psychology of magic. What makes magic. The word magic isn’t even required.
>>217776904>That’s not the pointThat was exactly your point, you liar
>>217776935The claim was that the eye within the pyramid is the perfect symbol of magic, and its constructive symbolism likely goes all the way back to Egypt, just going by the Prisca Theologia, when they used Egypt as proof that Christianity was the true religion. It’s a no brainer that the triangle would be seen as a symbol of truth to the Christians.
>>217776952>the symbolism goes all the way back to Egypt>only imprecisely; drawn upon There. Done. You’re too autistic. You’re incapable of acknowledging that Egypt had an impact on Christianity.
>>217776981No, liar.Here is what you said:>The eye of Providence is heavily influenced by, and likely derives in part from, earlier Egyptian symbolism>>217776614>And yes there is plenty of evidenceNow you are changing your story after getting btfo hard and consulting with ChatGPT on damage control.Just admit that you know nothing whatsoever.
You need to be White to like Tolkien
>>217777025I forgot that I copied it from a PDF, so the formatting is fucked. Here is the improved version:>C.S.L.’s reactions were odd. Nothing is a greater tribute to Red propaganda than the fact that he (who knows they are in all other subjects liars and traducers) believes all that is said against Franco, and nothing that is said for him. Even Churchill’s open speech in Parliament left him unshaken.
>>217777025You are borderline illiterate. He isn't defending Franco here, but attacking the commies (precisely because of the nun raping etc that you mentioned) and those who reflexively defend them at all costs. I know its hard for direction brained poltards who are poisoned by the culture war to grasp the difference between 'not defending commies' and 'supporting fascism'.
>>217772533>ABRAHAMICSOnly Pajeets use this term
>>217777032Yes, it is highly possible and historically supported that ancient Egyptian art—specifically the Eye of Horus (Wadjet)—served as an artistic and symbolic influence when the Eye of Providence was conceived. While the Eye of Providence as known today (an eye within a triangle) primarily emerged during the European Renaissance, it drew upon much older iconography, directly influenced by Egyptian motifs of protection and divine oversight.
>>217777109>—Here we go with the ChatGPT again. Very sad.
>>217777094>and nothing that is said for him.
>>217777032Here is how Egyptian art influenced the Eye of Providence:— The Eye of Horus (Wadjet): Ancient Egyptians used the stylized Eye of Horus (a blend of human and falcon eye) as a powerful symbol of protection, healing, and restoration. This "detached eye" motif, appearing as early as 2686 BC, is considered the precursor to the concept of a watchful, divine eye.— Symbolism of Divine Watchfulness: Just as the Eye of Horus protected and watched over the pharaohs and the dead in Egyptian mythology, the Eye of Providence was adopted in Renaissance art to represent God's watchful gaze over humanity.Transition to Renaissance Art: — Renaissance thinkers were deeply interested in ancient Egyptian, Greek, and Roman imagery, often re-interpreting these symbols. The Eye of Horus was adapted into European art, evolving into the "All-Seeing Eye" of God.The "Luminous Delta" Connection: The Eye of Providence is often placed within a triangle (the Trinity). Some interpretations suggest this "Eye in the Triangle" was inherited from pharaonic Egypt and later adopted by Renaissance Christians, replacing the Egyptian sun god "Ra" with the Christian concept of the Trinity.— Influence on Esoteric Symbols: The Eye of Providence was adopted by Freemasonry, which also utilized Egyptian-inspired imagery, recognizing the eye as a symbol of the "Grand Architect of the Universe". In conclusion. Although the Eye of Providence is a distinct, later development—often associated with Christian theology, Renaissance art, and Freemasonry—its underlying concept of a "disembodied, watching eye" finds its roots in the ancient Egyptian Eye of Horus. (Imagine being history checked by a fucking robot—and only because you mentioned it, am I whipping it out)
>>217777140>—sad.
Christians are terrified of the ancient and pagan origins of their Christian art, kek. Christmas was pagan once. God was a demonic motherfucker who demanded fathers sacrifice their sons.
>>217777137Like I said, you are borderline illiterate as a result of your direction brain.
>>217777174>Tolkien is a hecking wholesome progressive, he would have agreed with me
>>217777183More of that direction brain seething. It is hard comprehending texts not written by fellow poltards, isn't it, sweatie?
“Let’s go to a dead guy’s temple to partake of his flesh and blood! And if you don’t you will burn in hell for eternity!”“o-ok mommy”Absolutely fucking demonic.
>>217772318sloppy job OPtell that to the 400,000 killed and displaced Gazans
>>217777202>My personal interpretation of the text is objectively correct. Because it just is, ok
>>217777210Seeing Christianity through a demonic lens makes so much sense. It’s basically pretending it isn’t witchcraft.
>>217776761>anon thinks metaphysics are real instead of mental masturbationKEEEEEEEEK.
>>217777051>you must be a fag to like The Silmarillion
>>217777220>it's all part of the perfect plan of Ilúvatar-Yahweh, goy
>>217777229>dozens of statements of Tolkien rejecting nazis and racism>"uum but here is one bit where he says that Lewis automatically believes everything negative said about Franco and disbelieves everything positive, this means he was actually a secret nazi"the power of chud cope
>>217777419I have never said Tolkien was a Fascist or a Nazi, Franco isn't even one, dipshit.
>>217777444Keep coping
>>217777462Go back to elementary school if you cannot even differentiate between a generic authoritarian Conservative and a Fascist.
>>217776915Yes he did, all his biographers who researched his life and interrogated the people who knew him say that he did
>>217777497No, chud.
>>217777094>>217777419Holy cope
>>217777504this level of denial indicates retardation
>>217777522You live in a dreamworld, chuddieTolkien hated your kind:>>217776815
>>217777257Only high iq metabrain chads get metaphysics and understand they are the best account of reality that we have
>>217776339Ah, yeah, large numbers, the hallmark of a peak predator, just like hyenas are the peak predator of the savannah, being more numerous than ... lions?Also, very interesting how orcs are never a threat when Morgoth or Sauron are not around? Hmmm, ever stop and think about that, between your schizo outbursts? And finally, take your pills, chill, step aside from the keyboard and stop exposing yourself as both a dim-witted retard and someone who has read neither LotR nor Silmarillion.
>>217777542You aren't a high iq chad then, because you just exposed that you don't know what "metaphysics" means
>>217777540He hated your kind even moreHe disliked american hippies living his books and projecting their ideas on it just like their ideological heirs on reddit like you do today
>>217777582No, chud. This is your cope again.
>>217777597Repeating lies don't make them true
>>217772318The Conan stuff sword and sorcery is waaay better
>>217772318Fantasy is divided between BEFORE and AFTER TOLKIENLotr fans and video essays have seriously rewritten the history of the fantasy genre. Lotr was a sleeper hit/young adult book that didn't become relevant till the 70s after dungeons and dragons. The next book post Tolkien that have orcs and elves was sword of shannara which is from 77. In the 60s and 70s elric of melnibone(a dark and edgy of subversion of conan, and earthsea were the big series. It's the equivalent of people thinking elvis invented rock music and not knowing who Chuck Berry is or what the rolling stones or punk is.
>>217777570Are you nitpicking with my choice of words ? I recognize that "best account of reality" sounds like something a soïence worshipper plebittor would say but you get what I actually meant when I wrote that
>>217777712All metaphysics is an account of reality, therefore it is nonsensical to say that metaphysics is the best account of reality. Its like saying that Ornithology is the best scientific study of birds.
There are better fantasy stories than Lord of the Rings, before Lord of the Rings even. Just do your research. Faggots don't even read books anymore.
>>217777750point taken
Elves are literally a case of sufficiently advanced art is indistinguishable from magic. The is makes sense, since art is inseparable from nature, and science is essentially just functional art. Even just considering something magic, is an art form. But for magic to work? That takes science. There needs to be function.
>>217777904I fucking love science!
>>217777904>science is just functional artI doubt that
>>217777710i went into Elric thinking it really was a dark, miserable depressing reversal of Conan, but Elric gets his pals killed just as much as Conan does in his wacky misadventures and scores an equal amount of pussy. which is great, way better than expected as i thought he'd just jerk off to his cousin for 10 books instead. this and the Corum trilogy were a great deal of high adventure and fun, with the big difference i'd say is just the amount of wider spread apocalyptic devastation that tends to go on in what i've read of Moorcock
>>217777904so beautiful saar...
>>217777935Do you know where the word artifice comes from? Make a guess.
>>217777928I love science, not the Science(TM). There is a difference. Tolkien genuinely loved nature. Real science. Not this “men can get pregnant! all races are the same according to the social sciences!” cancer. The “heckin science” meme has ruined your perception of the thing that put the white man ahead of everyone else. You need to learn to identify and isolate the actual science. Maybe you just don’t like the word?
>>217778054>The “heckin science” meme has ruined your perception of the thing that put the white man ahead of everyone else. I’m convinced it’s a psyop by China to make us more uneducated over time. To make intellectualism cringe, and stupidity cool.
>>217774795Yeah and Jesus was so important and influential he wasn't even recorded to exist until a hundred years after his death.
>>217777904>>217777928>>217778054>t. retards
>>217778054>believing in magic means you have respect for "real science"Brown person detected
>>217777677OP here, totally agree anon.>>217777710Excuse my ignorance, but why is so great White Wolf / Elric of Melniboné? From picrel I can see looks awesome, but in wich way is subversive to Conan and unique from the rest of the genre?Earthsea was certified Kino.
>>217778527If you don’t consider nature or science to be a magical field, then you don’t exactly appreciate nature or science, do you? Do you REALLY think there’s no wonder or mystery left out there?
>>217778595Morons today think magic only means superficial hocus pocus. Not the essence of mystery and wonder (or horror).
>>217778499>doubt
>>217778595>>217778735back to r*ddit with you
>>217778595>>217778735>t. pooyets
>>217776484>eye of providenceThat's just some baby tier freemason/kike shit. You can tell what the kikes intended the symbol to mean with just a basic bitch understanding of the occult. >eye = knowledge/truths>triangle = confine within the material world (3 sides = 3D, upward triangle = male while downwards triangle is female), so specifically to contain within manThe eye of providence, regardless of what they tell you it means, was designed with the intention of capturing and containing knowledge, especially hidden truths, for the man/organization who employs the symbol. I promise that you can't override the gestalt to make it work for you instead./x/ PSA for anyone who will listen, please never use random symbols or sigils without understanding them at their fundamental levels. Symbols and sigils are meant to work subconsciously, try not to even look at them, and if you do look at it, try to dismantle its symbolism so you can consciously choose to ignore it.
>>217775378Orcs are inferior to elves and men. Even if Saruman's Uruk-hai are "perfected" orcs they're still inferior to anything created by Eru.
>>217774795That's not true, Greeks and Romans have tons of records, and contrary to popular belief the northern euros had records too; they were just recorded on outdoor rocks (scandis) and were worn away by weather over time, and paper records were few and far between, tended to get destroyed, or the language they were written in died out. Tolkien in particular was a skilled linguist who specialized in these old European languages, and Oxford granted him access to loads of ancient texts that hadn't been read in centuries.For anyone who enjoys literature I highly recommend his translations of Gawain and the Green Knight, and Beowulf, because he provides insight that you won't get from other translators.
>>217779734Well, that sucks. I swear, The Silmarillion ruined the whole lore for me.In the end, the whole "mass-industrialization" of both towers was an useless nothingburger.
>>217777542>metaphysics is when hairless monky is so scared it starts mentally masturbate>>217777904Elves are junkie-hippies and all their "magic" is just drug-induced schizo. Many such cases.
>>217772318this is some excellent bait, my good sir.
>>217780789Metaphysics actually are a sign of mental complexity and capacity for introspection and self awarenessNow back to plebbit with you, retard
>>217779731>I promise that you can't override the gestalt to make it work for you instead.It was not overrided. That’s how symbolism works. In theory there should be a perfect language, hypothetically, that uses perfect symbolism to convey perfect meaning.>/x/ PSA for anyone who will listen, please never use random symbols or sigils without understanding them at their fundamental levels. Symbols and sigils are meant to work subconsciously, try not to even look at them, and if you do look at it, try to dismantle its symbolism so you can consciously choose to ignore it.Do you hate language or something? Constructing languages to the point of sheer redundancy is far more dangerous than essence or meaning alone. If you have people who seriously think there’s a difference between magic and miracles, you have a fundamental issue with meaning.
>>217779731The word ‘Jew’ is a verbal symbol. Just saying it evokes rage and conspiracy. Even the Jews themselves aren’t immune. Psychological manipulation, consciously or unconsciously, is a prime pillar of occult thought. Everyone is captured by some form of bullshit. Art is very dangerous. Ignorance IS a form of art.
the only good part of the trilogy was when that dude with the big mouth speaks to the old fart and the dude from Hidalgo about killing the twink with the chainmail tee
>>217773765When I read Lord of the Rings in middle school I imagined the orcs were like the black kids I got bullied buy.
