Reminder that Disney watched some youtube videos from a fat guy that makes rape jokes and it convinced them to buy Star Wars for 4 billion dollars and make JJ Abrams direct itThe 2010s were wild…
>>217774238This mf came out of retirement just to glaze the Acolyte
>>217774238It was mostly because people really liked the star trek movies and the retards at disney thought star trek...? star...WARS!or whatever the fuck.
that's literally what happened, I am not mentally ill!
>>217774238Disney didn't buy SW because it was a vastly popular IP with a huge audience that they could pump their woke propaganda into, no, it was because someone watched a video of a YouTuber you don't like.
couldn't he like wish for world peace
>>217774625No he didn't retardHe was making fun of people who were "rethinking the prequels" by using the same arguments for the acolyte
>>217774834>Disney didn't buy SW because it was a vastly popular IP In 2012, no it wasn't. It was going through a lull after the prequels and the only active properties were the Clone Wars cartoon and a few video games.
prequeltrannies are eternally mindbroken that some fat guy exposed their favorite movies
>>217775557>Popular: widely liked or appreciatedThe Force Awakened grossed over 2 billion dollars worldwide. It's one of the most well known and loved IPs ever made.
>>217775797That was because it directly continued from Return of the Jedi and had no prequel shit. The 10 year break from movies helped too.
>>217775613With bad faith reviews that is pseud
>>217774238>Reminder that Disney watched some youtube videos from a fat guy that makes rape jokes and it convinced them to buy Star Wars for 4 billion dollars and make JJ Abrams direct itWhat is more probable - your bullshit or gigantic corporation creating RLM to astroturf the idea that Lucas has to sell his $48 billions franchise because everyone hates it and the idea of JJ Abrams leading the new franchise.>cue Mickey Stoklasa proclaiming new Disney version is everything he wanted it to be
>>217775557It still sold well in regards to video games and still had a large following
>>217775557>In 2012, no it wasn't.In 2012 it was valued in dozens of billions.
>>217775613That same fat guy loved Kenobi.
report eceleb threads as off topic.
>>217774688It was more that jj abrams was spending every waking moment campaigning to be the director for Star Wars ever since he did that Star Trek movie. Literally every word out of his mouth was about how much he loved Star Wars.
>>217775975>That was because it directly continued from Return of the Jedi>IP so popular it still killed in the box office when continuing from a movie made 30 years earlierThanks for proving my point.
>>217776187Lmao RLMoid Disney adult absolutely obliterated.
>>217775557The Clone Wars was very popular in 2012. Also George was actively developing his plans for a Sequel trilogy before the Disney sale.
>>217774238Watch the RLM reviews.
>>217775508yeah but with no rape jokes or dead wife jokes, they lost attention 5 min in
>>217776093Most probable: neither. YouTube is a populist format that demands all videos do nothing but regurgitate what people already think or get zero views. Also George Lucas sold because he bought into the Mayan calendar apocalypse theory and thought the world was ending in 2012, hence why all he did for the previous few years was tick off his bucket list.
>>217776222https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4n_jB9tMal0https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OkW035f_hZ8&pp=ygUQSG9uZXljdXR0IHZpZGVvcw%3D%3Dhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_-XQStN9Kak&t=24s
>>217774238I'm pretty sure they gave JJ the job because he was a successful Jewish director and producer of recent popular action adventure and sci-fi films and television.
>>217775975Well the Mandalorian is coming out after a 10 year break from the last movie, and it has nothing to do with prequel or sequel shit, let's see if your logic stands and it breaks 2 billions, faggot.
>>217776248George sold it because he didn't want to go the grind of being a CEO as he approaching his 70s. That and the toxicity of OT purists
>>217776316Jesus press people and they come up with something even more retarded than thinking he sold to Disney and Disney wanted to buy it because they watched some youtube videos.
>>217776304Probably won't. It looks like a TV movie instead of a cinematic event that has to be experienced
Jessie is a former Disney Parks employee.
Things that RLM complained about in the prequels>overuse of cgi>space politics>too focused on Jedi shit, not enough space pirate actionSo in response Disney>tried to make the sets/props as practical as possible, resulting in bland worlds filled with bland ass aliens>removed pretty much all space politics from the films, making most of them feel quite lacking in the stakes department >kept the number of Jedi/force users to a bare minimum, depriving young audiences cool hyper choreographed laser sword fights that they have always loved
>>217776222I don't watch Disney affiliated channels.
>>217776457OR>Disney set outs to do stuff>sends RLM to booster signal against the opposite
>>217774625Never forget this
>>217774238They've clearly been on Disney's payroll or at least had some sort of mutual agreement with Disney for a while.But I wonder how far back it goes, and whether the entire channel isn't just a propaganda machine meant to manage public opinion. Disney hiring them to make a hit piece on the prequels to convince George to sell.
>>217774238you also believe /pol/ got Trump elected don't you?
>>217776304Mandalorian and Yeed movie is continuing from the terrible tv show thoughAnd DisneyWars never went on a break. It's been constant slop since TROS, just on streaming.
>>217776119>dozens of billions>Disney only had to pay 4 billion for all of Lucasfilm
>>217774625He didn't like it.
>>217776130And you love the prequels. Both are shit, but he doesn't cry about you hating Kenobi.
how many years has this schizo being going around in circles about rlm secretly being disney employees?
>>217776638Yeah, exactly. Mando and Grogu is just another DisneySlop thing
>>217775508>"NOOOOOOOOO HE ACTUALLY MENT THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING!!!!!!!! YOU JUST NEED TO VERSED IN THE RLM LORE TO GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!" Yuck, stinky poster
>>217776950Considering how much decay a cultural titan (Star Wars) went through, it wouldn't be surprising that this was how it happened. Like, how the fuck do you go from the cherished franchise of all time to "just another thing" (to quote EmpLemon)
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>>217777086Literally OT purists when George decided to make his prequels
>>217774238Internet movie critics ruined cinema.
>>217774238Reminder that Mike got everything he asked for and it killed one of the most powerful media franchises in the world
>>217777141>you're a purist if you don't like bad movies
>>217777207jj abrams is the one who was running around begging to be allowed to direct star wars while on his press tour for butchering the star trek franchise.youtubers can only repeat what others say.
>>217777272It was literally RLM who recommended JJ to direct Star Wars
>>217774238Reminder that you're legitimately retarded if you think any of that is true.
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>>217777252TPM>The Trade Federation is blockade Naboo to protest new taxes on trade routes by the Republic>Therefore, Chancellor Valorum secretly sends two Jedi Knights (Qui-gon and Obi-wan) to settle the dispute>But the Trade Federation tries to kill the Jedi Knights after being ordered by Darth Sidious to kill them after the Viceroy was uncertain what to do with the Jedi>Therefore, the Jedi board battle droid transport ships to inform the Naboo of the upcoming Trade Federation occupation>After landing on Naboo, Qui-gon then runs into Jar JarThis is a coincidence (much like the red astromech unit breaking down after being purchased by Luke) as Jar Jar was there because of him being banished for "for clumsy" and because he was "out for a brisky morning munching". Anyway>Because Qui-gon saved Jar Jar and because Jar Jar doesn't want to be killed by the Trade Federation, Jar Jar therefore decides to help the Jedi in informing the Naboo>Qui-gon meets with the leader of the Gungans and sets Jar Jar free to get help with navigation so they can arrive to Theed faster>Then Qui-gon and Obi-wan free the queen from the battle droids and they set off for Coruscant so they can inform the Senate of the occupationThis is because the dispute has escalated into an occupation by this point in the story>To prevent the Senate from being informed, therefore, the Trade Federation shoots at Amidala's cruiser>The ship takes some damage from escaping the blockade so therefore, Qui-gon and Obi-wan decide to land on Tatooine to get some parts to fix the cruiserWithin just act 1 of this movie, this film has followed basic cause-and-effect and any problems can be easily explained
>>217777473I miss when Jon Stewart was funny
>>217777568why are you blathering this bullshit at me?
>>217777687Because you have, so far, failed to explain why this fails in regards to the qualities that make a film good. With one of them being cause-and-event. I can continue to the Tatooine and the rest to explain further. Only reason why I didn't was because of the character limit
>>217777730you're not going to argue me into liking the prequels anon. no matter how far you divorce the intent from the actual bullshit on screen, what the movie was going for is irrelevant to the shitty dialogue, acting, effects, characters, and is irrelevant when the literal first spoken lines of the movie are>hey master, should we use our powers of clairvoyance and mind reading int his situation?>no, that would be hard to write
>>217777806You are assuming that Qui-gon and Obi-wan have clairvoyance and are ignoring that mind reading is a retcon introduced in Episode VII, which was directed by the same director that RLM recommended
>>217777863>you're assuming that jedi have jedi powersyeah
>be Jedi>get sent on a diplomatic mission with your teenage student/boytoy???
>>217777863people tend to assume a character has extra-sensory perceptions when that character literally describes his extra-sensory perceptions of the situation, yes.and then when another character, says to not use them, it also implies that character has those abilities as well, and is simply not using them.
>>217777896>peacekeeper gets sent to keep the peaceIt's been known to happen.
>>217777896Why is that a problem? Chancellor Valorum sent to strong-arm the Trade Federation into ending the blockade. Which probably would have worked considering they had to contact to Darth Sidious to figure out how to deal with the Jedi
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>>217777863what the fuck are you babbling about? vader uses luke's remote viewing abilities to lure him to bespin in empire, yoda also foresees there is another if luke fails, and then in return of the jedi, vader literally reads luke's mind.
>>217777932And what exactly qualifies him to engage in intergalactic diplomacy?
>>217777954most likely, the ability to read minds and foresee the future.
>>217777954The fact that he's a Jedi.
>>217777970That disqualifies him from diplomacy if anything.>>217778017Jedis train as diplomats?
>>217778038anon, are you able to understand that "diplomacy" exists as a "skill" specifically because people can't directly read each others minds? Ya know, like how poker exists as a game because you can't really know what cards the other players have?
>>217777970Mind reading was a retcon introduced in Episode VII. If it existed beforehand, Vader would have used it to mind read to find the location of the Rebels before the destruction instead of torturing her for information
>>217778038>Jedis train as diplomats?It's not explicitly said, but I think the fact that Valorum sent a Jedi on a diplomatic mission is a pretty clear indicator that they are. You are misinterpreting the story as Valorum being stupid for sending a Jedi instead of making the logical conclusion that Jedi are also diplomats.
>>217778065Part of diplomacy is building a repertoire and making the other party comfortable. Would you be comfortable talking with some weird monk who might be using mind powers on you?
>>217778093mind reading was introduced in return of the jedi, when vader read's luke's mind. mental manipulation (read: mind writing) was introduced in star wars.I have absolutely no idea why you think jedi ESP didn't exist until disney bought lucasarts, when deflecting laser blasts with a light saber is also one of the first things they're shown doing.
>>217777953Vader was reading Luke's feelings, not his mind in RotJ. If he was, then why did Vader bother with torturing Leia in ANH?
>>217778155so i'll take that as a no.the word you were looking for was rapport, by the way, you literal retard.
>>217778191>feelings aren't in the mindwow, so you really are quite literally retarded. that's amazing.
>>217777954Because Jedi have the ability to use The Force, which grants them leverage in diplomacy
>>217778103Jedi are elusive questing knights who save damsels, slay monsters and fight evil. Jedis as generals and statesmen is a corruption of their mission represented in Darth Vader. This whole nonsense in the prequels that Jedi are some kind of Jannisary corps is just shitty writing. The entire concept the prequels are built on is fucking garbage.
>>217778158Because mind reading introduces many plot holes and worldbuilding issues to Star Wars
>>217778196So you would feel comfortable talking to somebody who can manipulate your mind?
>>217774238Based RLM. Fuck starslop.
>>217778245It's more interesting than whatever Disney are trying to do with them
>>217778278Who gives a fuck about Disney?
>>217774238No, Lucas watched them and then sold. Really.Reality can be mega lame sometimes. Sometimes=all the time btw.
>>217778270hence why george lucas decided to establish they weren't going to use their canon abilities in the first two lines of the phantom menace, it would be hard to write.welcome to the end of a thought process that normal people instantly traversed the second the words left liam neeson's mouth.
>>217774238Sure Mike. Don't forget your AA meeting today.
>>217778272the point is "diplomacy" is only necessary because telepathy isn't real. but this is of course beyond your ability to comprehend.
>>217778245>Jedi are elusive questing knightsHeadcanon.>who save damsels, slay monsters and fight evil.They do all of that in the Prequels.>Jedis as generals and statesmen is a corruption of their mission represented in Darth Vader.This is also well-established in the Prequels. >This whole nonsense in the prequels that Jedi are some kind of Jannisary corps is just shitty writing."For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old Republic." The Jedi are the Republic's peacekeepers, it isn't a stretch to believe they're trained in diplomacy. Even local cops are trained in negotiation for hostage situations.
>>217778371No, if telepathy was a skill exclusive to a select group of people this group would be excluded from any kind of negotiating.Like what was the republic going to do when the racist cartoon aliens claimed Ginny used the Jedi mind trick on them so the agreement wasnt binding?
>>217778396yes anon, the title of "jedi Knight" was just randomly decided upon. there was no attempt to evoke imagery with that title.
>>217774238>this is what prequeltards actually believe
>>217778437>hello i want to forbid people who can tell when I'm full of shit from being involved in negotiating>wow golly gee he must only have legitimate reasons for this lets make this policywhy do you think you're not retarded?
>>217778396>"For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old Republic."Yeah, by travelling the galaxy fighting injustice and evil, nothing in that line implies they were some kind of Jannisary elite working as generals and ministers. In fact all three movies establish the Jedi were so elusive most people just believed them to be a myth, not a part of day to day life.
>>217778437Jedi mind trick only works on the weak-minded. This was established back in RotJ
>>217778542actually it was established in the first movie, by alec guinness, describing the ability.of course we also need to think trained battle hardened soldiers are "weak minded."
>>217774238Rent free
>>217778467Diplomacy is reciprocal and the other party wont be happy you are sending a telepath to "negotiate". Its essentially a hostile act in on itself. >>217778542And what makes a person "strong-minded"?
>>217778515i did like how in the first minute or so of the phantom menance, george establishs that random people on one side of the galaxy (trade federation shits) and the galactic republic are just casually familiar with jedi.and then they're forgotten 20 years later.
>>217778439Knights weren't elusive and questing, they weren't lone wolves. They were often employed by lords and belonged to guilds. And do you really believe that knights of high stature weren't used as negotiators by their employers? Do you think that a knight isn't trained to, say, negotiate terms of surrender? Give me a break.>>217778515>In fact all three movies establish the Jedi were so elusive most people just believed them to be a myth, not a part of day to day life.No??? No one thought the Jedi were a myth, people thought the Force was a myth. Everyone knew what a Jedi was. In that exposition scene with Luke and Obi-Wan, Luke's questions are:>What's the Force?>What's a lightsaber?not>What's a Jedi?>What's the Clone Wars? Luke already knows about these things. And for the record, Jedi are elusive in the OT because they're near-extinct after the Empire killed them all, not because it's part of their modus operandi.
>>217778611diplomacy is about establishing trust when there's no reason to. mind reading removes this necessity. you either act in good faith or you're immediately exposed. the only people who'd want mind reading to be banned from negotiations are people who are knowingly acting in bad faith.the US legal system is also built around preventing the ability of people to act in bad faith, and punishing them when its proven they are.and the joke of all of this is its completely and totally obvious to anyone with an IQ over 80.
>>217778515>The Jedi were so elusive that most people believed them to be a mythThe Prequels wouldn't be contradicting this since the Jedi, before the Clone Wars, were pretty reclusive. The Jedi were, in a way, basically a secret service of the Republic
>>217778699they're so elusive the entire galactic senate is aware they exist and uses them in negotiations and the trade federation managers doing the blockade also know they exist.
>>217774238Remember that Mossad saw /pol/ and decided to make their frog meme president of the US
>>217778699>jedi have the single largest building on the capital planet that is entirely a city>they're elusive tho!
>>217778681>No one thought the Jedi were a myth, people thought the Force was a myth.What? If you believe in the Jedi you believe in the force, thats their whole thing.>>217778688>the only people who'd want mind reading to be banned from negotiations are people who are knowingly acting in bad faith.What a short sighted and naive take.>>217778699Yeah they just had a huge temple next to parliament and worked in official functions. I am sure nobody ever heard of them, just like nobody in the USSR ever heard of the KGB.
>>217778776>something immediately obvious? that's short sighted and naive!anon i don't know who told you that you're smart, but they were just trying to spare your feelings. and if it was your mother, she was trying to spare her feelings as well. you are dumb as a fucking brick. simple things elude you.
>>217778776The location of the Jedi and how near it was to the Galactic Senate was never established in the Prequels.
>>217778853except for when it was shown being on Coursant, right? towering over its neighboring buildings and reaching as high as buildings in the distance, right?
>>217778688>the only people who'd want mind reading to be banned from negotiations are people who are knowingly acting in bad faith.It's natural for any group or person to value privacy, especially when it comes to high level operations. An example is Dune, when they Spacing Guild demands the Bene Gesserit witch leave before having a meeting with the Emperor. The Spacing Guild cared foremost about the production of spice as space travel depended on it. They weren't acting in bad faith but they also were'nt interested in the Emperor knowing anything about their own plans or intentions. I doubt you will find any two competing groups engaged in negotiations who want the other side to be able to read their hand.
>>217778847>why yes I am totally ok with the other party being able to read my mind and manipulate my actions, after all I am not acting in bad faith Sending a telepath to negotiate is already a bad faith act.
>>217778776>What? If you believe in the Jedi you believe in the force, thats their whole thing.There's literally a guy in the film that demonstrates that he knows Vader was a Jedi but doesn't believe in the Force
>>217778885anon. you don't get "privacy" when you're negotiating. Both parties are exposed and if one is found to be hiding something, negotiations immediately fall apart.you quite literally have no idea what you're talking about.
>>217774238Plinkett's audience are retarded normies who can't think for themselves, which is the same as Disney's audience. So it actually makes perfect sense.
>>217778899literally zero negotiations ever happen with parties found to be or even thought to be duplicitous.
>>217778900you mean the guy who calls what is shown to be the main arm of the galactic senate an obscure religion?
>>217778918The less the other party knows, the more power you have to negotiate. Everyone strives for secrecy when negotiating. It's crazy you're even trying to dispute this.
>>217778900>prequelkid resorting to far fetched mental gymnasticsHe was either calling him out as a weirdo occultist or telling him to sit down because his force powers didnt conjure up the death star plans. No idea where you got the idea from that he believes Vader was a Jedi but not in the force.
>>217774238WOW THE PREQUELS ARE STILL SHIT!
>>217778611Fun fact: Cad Bane had to have multiple Jedi to mind trick himhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5xUHQDQZ6E4&pp=ygUaY2FkIGJhbmUgZ2V0cyBpbnRlcnJvZ2F0ZWQ%3D
>>217778983you're talking about negotiating in bad faith as if all negotiations are in bad faith. because you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>217779015>you're talking about negotiating in bad faithKeeping secrets to have an advantage is not negotiating in bad faith; it's just negotiating. Everyone wants to make deals that will benefit them the most.
>>217779015using a discrepancy in knowledge to your advantage is not automatically "bad faith", there is also a responsibility for due diligence
>>217779015It feels more like these people think negotiations are like a Paradox game
>>217779104>Keeping secrets to have an advantage is not negotiating in bad faithYes, it is, and the instant the other side finds out, negotiations end, and if its nations negotiating, war usually breaks out.
>>217779145lol no
>>217779111>due diligencewhich is much simpler when you can simply read minds.
>>217779172>fuck off I am not negotiating with youWhat now?
>>217779144its just one literal retard, thank god. his mind is completely tangled around defending the prequels. all of his perceptions of reality are seated in "the prequels weren't bad movies."
>>217779197>okay, so you're clearly hiding something and sought to negotiate in bad faith
>>217779222k, "negotiations" over before they even started because Noob Gun-Ray didnt want Ginny to know he is on Palpatine moon. Then why even bother sending anybod?
>>217779279*was on Palpatine moon
>>217778960I like how you inserted "obscure" in there as though that's what he said. He said>your sad devotion to that ancient religionAncient is not the same as obscure. The most popular religions on Earth are well over 1000 years old.>>217778988>No idea where you got the idea from that he believes Vader was a Jedi but not in the force.If he was an actual believer in the Force, he would know that Vader was correct that the Force is more powerful than the Death Star. Instead, he calls the Death Star "the ultimate power in the universe." That would be like calling your atom bomb the most powerful thing to exist while acknowledging the Christian god also exists.
>>217779279Yes that is how things work. asking for negotiations without a mind-reader is like asking for negotiations without due diligence.
>>217779315no one calls active religions "ancient."
>>217779279Because Chancellor Valorum wanted the blockade of Naboo to end, since a member world of the Republic being able to blockade could set a bad legal precedent in the Republic and because a blockade harms those who are blockage
>>217779315>the Christian godlol>>217779352Then send an actual official not a weird space wizard.
>>217779381except the jedi are established as actual officials. whoops.
>>217779393What office does Yoda hold?
>>217779381>>the Christian god>lolNice argument. Or did you want me to capitalize the G or something?
>>217779435We just call him "God" because we arent brown and dont stick bananas up our asses.
>>217779427now we're getting into how little george lucas understands governments, politics, anything, etc.
>>217779458I personally "The Divine Lord" because "God" assumes the creator of everything has a concrete and definitive gender
>>217779498>I personally "The divine lord" saaaaar
>>217779427Jedi Council Member and Jedi Master. What's your point?
>>217779511I don't see what the problem with my position is
>>217779458Okay, fine.>That would be like calling your atom bomb the most powerful thing to exist while acknowledging God also exists.Now will you be intellectually honest and engage with the argument?
>>217779523So the abbot of the shaolin temple is a Chinese official?
>>217779602how often does the chinese empire send shaolin monks to negotiate with terrorists? read: >>217779486
>>217779602Heads of state have historically had religious advisors, yes.
>>217779623Jedi are a combination of US secret service, Buddhist monks, and Christian knight errands
>>217779672therefore, are official representatives of the galactic senate. ya know, which also doesn't have a military because that's what needed to happen for the plot to progress.
>>217779623>I am here to negotiate over Taiwan, baizuo
>>217779701Maintaining a big army, especially for a republic that consists of THOUSANDS OF WORLDS is expensive. Before the Prequels, the Republic mainly relied on mercenaries and the Jedi to maintain order in the Galaxy. The Republic only began fund and maintain a military by the time of the Clone Wars because without it, they would have been destroyed/overthrown by the CIS.Remember, a Jedi is more powerful than an average person because of their ability to use the Force.Also remember that there is a IRL precedent for a Republic to not having a standing army: Rome. Before the Battle of Cannae, the army was made of people who had to pay for their own equipment. After Cannae, the Republic passed military reforms and Rome now had a standing military that was funded with taxpayer money.
>>217779978Taxing thousands of worlds also makes a lot of money
>>217780126I didn't say the Republic didn't have taxes. I said they didn't have a military and explained why they didn't have a military.
>>217780179Then why did the trade confederation have an army and a fleet?
>>217774238>make JJ Abrams direct it He never said he should write it!
>>217780283They're privateers unconstrained by the Republic
>>217780283To defend themselves against pirates.
>>217780283cause George Lucas wrote the script
>>217779978the only way it makes sense for the republic to not have a military is for the jedi be the main enforcement arm of the galactic republic, due to being clairvoyant space wizards who can read and alter minds, who are also practically unkillable by people who can't use the force.so without that, you need it to take thousands of years for people to figure out they can beat the republic simply by not allowing jedi anywhere near them. for without a military, the republic has no recourse for when bad actors refuse to negotiate.but with the first two lines of the phantom menance, george directly states this isn't the case. thus the entirety of the prequels make absolutely no sense.this is immediately obvious to any normal person over 12.
>>217780367The Republic mainly used mercenaries ALONGSIDE the Jedi long before Episode I. They only now started to have a standing military by the end of Episode II since it was the only for the Republic to defend against a faction that could just spam their army against the Republic.From the perspective of your average senator in the Republic during Episode II, the situation was:>Lots of worlds are threatening to secede from the Republic>They are threatening to fulfill their promise of secession by attacking the Republic with an army of battle droid and we are defenseless against>Oh look, we now have a Clone Army that we can use to defend themselvesAfter Episode II, the Republic continued funding and maintaining the Clone Army in order to win the war.
>>217780524>headcanonof course.
>>217779427Military. He was a general.
>>217779197well, in the movie the negotiators (read: jedi) immediately start attempting to storm the bridge of the trade federation ship they were told the negotiations were.but of course, if the chief plan of the trade federation is to simply kill jedi if they're sent to negotiate, just blow up their fucking ship before it can land and mission accomplished. this is also immediately obvious to any normal person over the age of 12.
>>217780544It is what can be infered from the films using what information is provided by the films. Plus, it was what was explained in the EU.
>>217780629headcanon is often based upon something. doesn't make it canon though.
>>217780613The Jedi attempt to storm the bridge after the Viceroy attempts to poison with gas. The reason why the Viceroy attempted to poison them with gas was because Sidious told them to "kill them immediately. The Chancellor shouldn't have brought them into this"The only reason why Qui-gon and Obi-wan didn't inside the bridge was because the droideikas (which are droids that have deflector shields) were shooting at them at the door to the bridge. A door that would have taken a long them to get into after the blast doors to the bridge were.
>>217780737you are, of course, skipping the part where if sheev's plan is hinged upon his subordinates not being interrogated by jedi, why don't they have orders to just kill jedi when they arrive in their jedi™ brand ships? everything that happens after the jedi are allowed to land on the ship hinges upon the trade federation doing things that make no sense.
>>217780831Sheev's master plan throughout the Prequels is to him into a position of unchecked. His plan in Episode I is to get himself elected Chancellor by manufacturing a crisis on Naboo and use that against Valorum in a vote of no confidence against Valorum. The plan's end goal remained the same, just the pathway
>>217780987you, are, again, skipping the part where he's fine with killing jedi to accomplish this goal, but just happens to forget that jedi would be the main enforcement arm of the republic, and therefore would be immediately dispatched to intervene in any crisis or development, therefore has no plan beyond "oh hit them with poison gas after they land in their official jedi™ ships."Everything after a plot hole can make perfect sense, but the plot hole still renders it all complete nonsense.
>>217781060The Jedi were dispatched "secretly", meaning something about this specific situation went against the procedures that the Republic were abiding during the events of Episode I
>>217781179oh of course, it was a secret to the evil clairvoyant space wizard that jedi would be there. how could I forget.
>prequelfag uses VLCjesus the retardation has no bottom
>>217781179how do you "secretly" dispatch negotiators? How would they know where to go?
>>217781210Make it easier to grab screenshots
>>217781210holy fuck how embarrassing. he's defending it too
>>217781195Yes? Palpatine didn't have 100% knowledge of everything, the Jedi being there was not part of the plan. His plan was to cause a crisis with the blockade, garner sympathy for Naboo in the Senate, get the vote of No Confidence, and become Chancellor. He could have achieved that whether the Jedi were there or not.>>217781234It was a secret to the Senate, not the negotiators. How poor is your reading comprehension?
>>217781308>the main enforcement arm of the galactic senate being involved in a situation between members of the senate was not part of the plan>you have poor reading comprehension if you know that in order for negotiations to occur, a location has to be agreed upon to meetso did the jedi call up the trade federation and make an appointment? Remember, you can't call them clairvoyant space wizards, george lucas said they aren't, so they can't have known where to go because they're clairvoyant space wizards.
>>217781378It's literally right there in the title crawl.>While the Congress of the Republic endlessly debates this alarming chain of events, the Supreme Chancellor has secretly dispatched two Jedi KnightsChancellor Valorum sent the Jedi because he wanted this crisis resolved ASAP. He did it behind the Senate's back because they would demand a vote on it and waste even more time. Palpatine wanted the Jedi gone because he wanted the crisis to go on for as long as possible so he could get the vote of No Confidence. This isn't rocket science.
Like, are we forgetting that the Trade Federation has legal representation in the Senate?
>>217781515okay so chancellor valorum called the trade federation and asked where to send negotiators?
>>217781060Why do prequelseethers like you ask retarded questions you would know the answer to if you actually paid attention to details given to you during the movie?
>>217781606the movie states why the trade federation didn't have orders to just kill jedi before they get on the ship? feel free to screencap where that happens.
>>217774625kek
>>217781563Yes, the beginning of the film shows that the Trade Federation were expecting ambassadors from the Chancellor, but they weren't expecting them to be Jedi.
>>217781638Someone else pointed out they were sent in secret posing as ambassadors, as stated in the opening crawl. You invented some retarded idea that they had JEDI ON BOARD in neon lights which to justify your retarded position. They arrived in some generic ship and no one in the TF knew they were jedi, since they also act surprised when a droid suggested it.I ask again. Why make yourself look like a retard complaining about a movie you obviously didn't pay proper attention to?
>>217781638The Trade Federation didn't know that the ambassadors were Jedi Knights
>>217781710>You invented some retarded idea that they had JEDI ON BOARD in neon lightsthe spaceship they came in on was literally called "jedi ship." or are you going to claim merchandising isn't canon?
>>217774238Going after RLM will never make the prequels good btw
>>217781752Why not? They were the only thing that could be a threat to sheev's plan.
>>217781795Yeah, why do you think they called Sheev immediately and he told them to kill the Jedi?
>>217781774>The merch calls the ship "Jedi ship"Does the film itself call it "Jedi Ship"? Because if not, then the point still stands that the ship the Jedi arrive in is generic and wouldn't scream "THE JEDI ARE ARRIVING" to the Trade Federation
It's become increasingly clear to me that the people ITT arguing that TPM's plot makes no sense haven't watched the film in a very long time and are filling in the gaps in their memory with Mr. Plinkett's portrayal of the film
>>217781774Also, where are you getting the claim that the merch called "Jedi Ship"? Because I looked it up and this is the result I keep getting.
>>217782016Like, the bad parts are there but they haven't shown them or provided them yet. Like, the most OBVIOUS ONE being the fact that the film introduces the new Force ability of "Force sprint" during the scene of Qui-gon and Obi-wan defending themselves the droideikas and the film doesn't use it again when Obi-wan tries to catch up with Qui-gon during the fight with Darth Maul.
>>217781774This guy is just making shit up kek. They went to Naboo in some unarmed Republic cruiser. In the prequels the Jedi travelled in those single seat fighters and would dock with little hyperspace engine addons for long distances.
>>217782016Why would people re-watch movies they hated?It’s also fun how long it takes prequelfags to use actual movie material to plug plot holes like “why didn’t sheev have a contingency for the literal one thing that could go wrong”
The simpsons was having a go at George in 2004
>>217782089You’ve forgotten the merchandising for episode 1. It’s okay though
>>217782085There is something wrong with pretty much every scene in the prequels and extensive mental gymnastics to defend every scene in the prequels.
>>217782119The fact that prequelseethers are missing that is the ambassadors being Jedi made no difference whatsoever, the plan was on track either way and Sheev ordered them killed just for the hell of it. His attitude was 'fuck em, it's their own fault for coming.'It's amazing just how weak a lot of these criticisms are. TPM is actually oretty solid, if you want to shit on the prequels you should focus on AotC because that is the only bad Star Wars movie Lucas made.
>>217782119>Why would people re-watch movies they hated?That's a fair point, but then again, why would these same people pretend to be experts in the plot of a film they hated and haven't seen in a long time? >It’s also fun how long it takes prequelfags to use actual movie material to plug plot holes like “why didn’t sheev have a contingency for the literal one thing that could go wrong”The contingency was "kill them," which the TF tried (and failed) to do
>>217782164Wanna share some of this merchandising? As far as I can find it was a republic diplomatic ship not linked directly to the jedi order.
>>217782209> the ambassadors being Jedi made no difference whatsoeverWhich means the plan was to kill them. Which gapes the plothole of why didn’t the trade federation just blow up their ship
>>217782209>The fact that prequelseethers are missing that is the ambassadors being Jedi made no difference whatsoever, the plan was on track either way and Sheev ordered them killed just for the hell of it. His attitude was 'fuck em, it's their own fault for coming.'I'm a TPM defender so I'm gonna disagree with you there. The fact that they were Jedi was the part that spooked the TF and Palpatine. Any other ambassador you could simply waste their time and turn them away, but you can't do that with Jedi lest you want to deal with Aggressive Negotiations™.https://youtu.be/7viGWaR675I
>>217782210Probably because the plot is extremely simple (sheev rules Jedi droools) while also being extremely stupid (literally everything that happens).
>>217782364Right, so as I was saying. You don't remember what happened in the film, so you are regurgitating Plinkett's talking points.
>>217782334The ambassadors were irrelevant either way because the Republic thought they were dealing with the TF only and that their blockade was genuine for the official reasons stated. The fact that Sheev was behind the whole thing and had alterior motives made any negotiations moot. Sure the Jedi could cause problems mere ambassadors couldn't but their transport was destroyed and were massively hindered in what they could do to sabotage the plan.
>>217782422If the Jedi actually got to negotiations before the murder attempt, forced a settlement, and dissolved the blockade before Sheev became Chancellor, then Sheev's entire plan is ruined. Killing the Jedi was the only option.
>>217782310The ambassadors were never going to achieve anything and the TF receiving them officially was mere theatre while Sheev enacted his real plan that probably only he knew about. Them turning out to be Jedi could have been a problem, which is why they were ordered to be killed and their transport destroyed, but even them surviving made absolutely no difference whatsoever. Valorum still lost his job and Sheev used the publicity to win the election just as planned.
>>217782508Yes, that is all true, but the Jedi made it a hell of a lot harder for Sheev. If the Chancellor had sent normal ambassadors, the plot would have gone like this:>ambassadors get sent away without accomplishing anything>Queen Amidala signs the treaty making the occupation of Naboo legal>the vote of No Confidence goes through>Sheev is Chancellor and Naboo is now owned by the Trade FederationWith the Jedi there, Sheev got his way, but Naboo is also free, so they did accomplish something.
>>217782202>Every scene is wrongProve it
>>217782475But Sheev was in charge, he was never going to negotiate with ambassadors Jedi or no. He had hundreds of those donut ships in the blockade each with their own command and a droid army. Two Jedi aint doing shit, which they didn't and couldn't even after they escaped. You have to remember that Sheev had the upper hand since the Republic had no idea what was actually going on. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan discuss this and realise it was no mere trade dispute but never find out what.
>>217776093>Disney created a secret industry plant YouTube channel years before George Lucas sold the IP to somehow manipulate him into doing itI don't know what's funnier; the fact that you even think RLM "invented" prequel hate or that you think Disney is even that competent.
>>217782716I don't think Nute Gunray would care about what Sheev thinks when he has a lightsaber at his throat.
>>217782622A victory for Naboo, but it made no difference. Sheev still became Chancellor with maybe only a slight delay in him getting there.
>>217774238You guys give RLM so much credit it's crazy.Youtubers have no real power. It's like honestly it feels like some people hear believe in gangstalking and have their own delusions of grandeur. They are just a couple of 40 year olds shit talking movies like we are here lmao
>>217782766The two Jedi were fucked as soon as droidekas showed up. Them being sent was a desperate flex by Valorum who had no idea a Sith was in charge who would kill Jedi without a second thought.
>>217782775I mean, yeah, that's kind of the point, it's a bittersweet ending. The Emperor's theme plays in the finale of TPM, showing that while they're celebrating their small victory there's still darkness to come. https://youtu.be/8hofrEQPmvY
>>217775975>had no prequel shitIt did, set dressing, a throw-away line, and it was more present in the 'lore' like Captain Phasma's silver armor was supposed to have been melted down from Sheev's personal naboo frigate, or something, because she was a massive Sheev-head. Granted, some of that never made it into the actual movie, so who cares, but saying it doesn't have prequel stuff is because there wasn't prequel stuff in the original trilogy. Honestly the problem with The Prequels is the problem with Prequels in general, you're always skating on really thin ice because if the story being told was that important then you probably should have started there in the first place. If its not a story being told that is that important, then why bother? If it is just going to be an origin story its tricky because you already know the ending of the story (or at least what WILL happen in the character's future) so it becomes a bit of a fart in the wind.
>>217782791Chris Stuckmann parroted RLM talking (and even credited him)Cosmonaut Variety Hour parroted RLM talking pointsSimon Pegg parroted RLM talking points and was a creative consultant for Episode VIIRLM is what lead the road to modern Star Wars
>>217782909You could start with the Prequels before doing the OT, like George intended.
>>217782394Like you’ve been told countless times, the youtubers you’re obsessed with, like all youtubers, just repeated what others said.
Disney is Pro-Prequel. Anakin died a hero while Luke Skywalker is a grumpy, childless incel who died due to being exhausted from using force projection btw. Thats forever.
>>217782642First scene is sheev not just blowing up the secret ambassador ship, despite the fact it’s the surest way to ensure his plan goes through.
>>217782967Even it was the case that RLM was just repeating what others said about the Prequels, that doesn't mean his review is good or that the talking points RLM repeated are good as well.Like, the "it's boring" is not an actual argument. It's you stating how YOU felt about the film. It doesn't indicate the actual quality of the film since I can easily counter with "well I wasn't bored".
>>217776248>YouTube is a populist format that demands all videos do nothing but regurgitate what people already think or get zero views.I thought people posted content espousing intentionally controversial or even "wrong" viewpoints, whether they actually believed them or not, in order to "farm engagement"? Isn't that what "Ragebaiting" supposedly is?Which is it? Does YT intentionally serve people content they already agree with in order to "pander" to them? Or does YT intentionally serve people content they DON'T agree with in order to "bait & farm more engagement"?
>>217782911Anon. THE YOUTUBERS ARE THE PARROTS. All they did was put all criticism of the prequels in one place and slap their gay logo on it. They didn’t invent a single talking point. YouTube is a populist format. You also have Simon Pegg hating the prequels in 2001.
>>217777568Didn't bother reading this essay.The Prequels suck balls and always have. I'm not interested in debating in order to PROVE to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that water is, indeed, actually wet.
>>217783048The algorithm serves content anyone pays any attention to. “Rage baiting” requires some semblance of something people agree with. If I say you’re mom is a duck it doesn’t affect you because it’s completely random.
Prequel apologists should be executed for the good of humanity. It's fucking insane how retarded they are.
>>217783013Because the Trade Federation did not know the ambassadors sent by Valorum were Jedi. This is literally in the film
>>217774238>that makes rape jokesYou bring that up specifically despite the fact that it isn't relevant to the rest of what you're discussing.Why is that, OP? Is that fact INHERENTLY remarkable to you, to the point that it's inherently worth bringing up? Are you genuinely upset/"triggered" by rape-jokes?
>gacha tranimeLol. Lmao.
>>217783129So should OT purists for getting Star Wars into this mess.
>>217780737What was the plan if they stormed the bridge? Just kill everybody?
>>217783129I still can't tell if it's genuine zoomie cultist dedication to a shitty movie they saw & loved when they were 6-years-old or if it's just the single most dedicated, high-effort Trolling Movement in more than a decade.
>>217783197Probably arrest them for attempted murder of an LEO.
>>217783082By that logic EVERYONE is a "parrot" and NOBODY "invented a single talking point", because somebody somewhere had in fact doubtlessly formulated or discussed those same points at some point prior.
>>217782987OTbros got what they asked for. Total humiliation of the OT and Luke.
>>217783170The plan was to kill them no matter what anon.
>>217783189That’s from dohna dohna, not a gacha
>>217783191Fucking what?What are you even trying to communicate here, retard?
>>217783044>Even it was the case that RLM was just repeating what others said about the Prequels, that doesn't mean his review is good or that the talking points RLM repeated are good as well.It indicates theres a consensus amongst people as to why they prequels were bad. I never needed a YT to tell me why those movies were bad. I saw them myself. Things that made them hard to watch:>young anakin>jar jar>Obiwan's gay lightsaber twirl and stance when he faces count dooku>count dooku>all anakin and padamay's romance scenes>the bloated CGI space battles>Jackson's phoned in performanceI could go on for a long time but you get the point. It's fine to just like this because it was a star wars movie and you love the IP but they were not "good" in any sense.
>>217782209>prequelseethersOh wow, you kids came up with a segregating label of denigration for people who don't love & mindlessly defend your shitty kid's-movie. That's cute.
>>217783251The plan was initially to have the Trade Federation occupy Naboo, force the Queen of Naboo to make the occupation of Naboo legal, then have Palpatine call for a vote of no confidence in Valorum so that Palpatine can get himself into the position of Supreme Chancellor.After Valorum sent the ambassadors, the plan changed to: kill the jedi and then do everything elseAfter the Jedi survived and rescued Queen Amidala, the plan changed to: Use Amidala to call for a vote of no confidence and then everything else happens
>>217783220Arrest them on their own warship?
>>217783312How is Jackson's performance "phoned in"?
>>217783346Why kill them? Just send them away or stall them while you continue doing whatever.Also why were the cartoon aliens taking orders from a random guy in a robe in the first place?
>>217783211It's because you were 30
>>217783380>A sith lord?
>>217783240>if youtube is populist everyone is!How literally retarded do you need to be to believe this? Do you honestly believe no one who saw the prequels in theaters had any problem with them?
>>217783377Yes.
>>217783443Mindless robot soldiers can be bribed?
>>217774238He wasn't fat when he made these videos, but he has morphed into a pretty disgusting fat piece of shit
>>217783439You argument is literally "Argument from popularity" at this point.>Everyone says they're bad so it must be true!
>>217783428And? His performance throughout the trilogy is not bad. He does the job well of being a Jedi Council Member who embodies the problems with Prequel era Jedi.
>>217783409>Why kill them? Just send them away or stall them while you continue doing whatever.Holy fuck, read the thread. This has already been addressed several times.>Also why were the cartoon aliens taking orders from a random guy in a robe in the first place?Sheev essentially sold out his own planet to the Trade Federation. He promised them that Amidala would sign the treaty to make the TF invasion legal so they would have control of the planet and get away with the blockade scot free. The Jedi got in the way of this by rescuing Amidala.
>>217783380I think your inability to see that he wasn't making an effort in that role is a general symptom of whatever makes you find these movies to be good. If you can't see it, I can't help you with that.
>>217783409Because if Palpatine's inital plan succeeded, they would have occupied and Palpatine probably would have made backroom deals with the Trade Federation regarding Naboo once he becomes Chancellor
>>217783569But they didnt know who he was, he was just some weirdo in a robe.
>>217783346>the plan wasn’t to kill the negotiators>thats why the conference room was rigged with poison gasanon please
>>217783548>He promised them that Amidala would sign the treaty to make the TF invasion legal so they would have control of the planet and get away with the blockade scot free.What treaty? And how does forcing somebody to sign something under duress have any legitimacy?
>>217782334They tried their 'aggressive negotiations' and couldn't get in the same room as Gunray. Palpatine's plan was in no danger even when Jedi turned up, Gunray was too well protected.
Also what made the Emperor think that an invasion of some planet somewhere would get the chancellor deposed and him elected?
>>217783622The Senate wouldn't have any evidence that the treaty was made under duress because the communication devices from Naboo to Coruscant were being jammed by the Trade Federation.
>>217783489The “argument” is that youtubers did not invent prequel hate. that youtubers simply repeated criticisms from numerous sources. because thats what you do to get lots of youtube views. This has no bearing on whether the movies or good or not. It relates exclusively to your delusions that youtubers changed public opinion.
>>217783622>What treaty?Ah okay, so you haven't seen the film. Got it. >And how does forcing somebody to sign something under duress have any legitimacy?Losing armies sign treaties all the time.
>>217783679So they were going to do that forever or just kill everyone on Naboo who knew an out the blockade (read: everyone)?
>>217783667Because any Senator in the Senate Chamber would be alarmed at how much power the Trade Federation has and would want to have a Chancellor that answers more to them than to some trade corporation
>>217783013He didn't need to blow up anything, retard. What were the ambassadors going to do? Even when they turned out to be Jedi and tried to break into the bridge they had to gtfo as soon as droidekas showed up. Palpatine had Gunray too well protected and the Republic didnt even know a Sith was in charge of the whole thing. The Republic were getting fucked in the ass and didn't even realise it.
>>217783622>And how does forcing somebody to sign something under duress have any legitimacy?It's actually really cute how niave this question is.
>>217774917we got that in 2016
>>217783700They are both subject to the republic which (I guess, its never addressed in the movies) works like a space UN. Putin cant make Zelensky sign some "treaty" to retroactively make his invasion legal. >>217783727Why werent they alarmed by Noob building a huge fleet and robot army? And why even take the office of chancellor when is obviously a fall guy?
>>217783700>Losing armies sign treaties all the time.only after utter defeat a majority of the time, and if not, it's been common throughout history for hostilities to continue over legitimacy claims, sometimes for centuries. Forcing Amadala to sign a treaty under duress would be known as soon as she returned home and shit would have kicked off.
>>217775797They could have shown a jar of mayonaise for 2 hours after the first 10 min and it would have gotten the same amount of cash because its Star Wars's return.
>>217781782Yeah, they make RLM's drones look like the NPCs they are
>>217783755>he didn’t need to do the thing that would ensure his plan went off without a hitch despite the fact it didn’t
>>217783666Anon, let me paint you a picture:>the TF never finds out the ambassadors are Jedi>the negotiations begin>the Jedi are now in the same room as Gunray and can strongarm himHere's another one:>the TF finds out the ambassadors are Jedi>they do nothing about it and let the negotiations begin anyway>the Jedi are now in the same room as Gunray and can strongarm himThe only reason why the Jedi couldn't get to Gunray is specifically because Gunray decided to preemptively murder them instead of waiting for negotiations to start.
Why was the emperor using a light sabre in E3?
>>217783806the internet was collectively losing its shit when they saw the millenium falcon was in it.
I think whats amazing about both the prequels and sequels is that you could have given any random fan of the street controll over the script and they would have come up with something way cooler and better than the dogshit Lucas, JJ and the other guy brought to the table.
>>217783667>member planet of Republic is hit with unofficial trade embargo>senate hindered by bureaucracy and procedure>chancellor is too retarded and weak to deal with it quickly>other member planets start getting nervous>queen of member planet hit with trade embargo begs senate for resolution>everyone sides with queen>queen uses Senate procedure to oust weak Chancellor with support of all members>triggers an election>sheev is senator from member planet hit with trade embargo and puts himself forward>recieves huge sympathy vote and wins election>he was behind the trade embargo in the first place and played everyone like a fiddle
>>217784028What if he didnt get elected because of current thing?
>>217783790>>217783798Palpatine's plan hinged on him becoming Chancellor. He likely anticipated friction in the Senate about the Naboo treaty but figured he could obfuscate the truth well enough to have the Senate move on. Also since he is from Naboo his word may lend more credence. A huge point of the Prequels is that the Senate is bloated and useless.
>>217783858His plan did go off without a hitch, the Jedi didn't do shit. The ambassadors were absolutely no threat to the plan. The biggest hitch was the Gungans since they could face the Droid army and no ambassadors or Jedi had anything to do with that. It was internal Naboo politics.
>>217784077Then why even bother with it in the first place especially considering he was about to kick off a war (with an ass pull clone army)
Lucas did nothing wrongWhat could have been if we got an authentic sequel trilogy
>>217774238mfs acting like plinket is some sought of SCP
>>217783876This is nonsense. They did find out they were Jedi and were dealt with accordingly. What are you even saying here?>it would have gone differently if things had gone differentlyEven if these things happened what would the Jedi even do, threaten to murder them? Doubt it. The droidekas come anyway.
>>217783876>the Jedi are now in the same room as Gunray and can strongarm himlol wtf, neither Gin nor Obi Wan are thugs lmao
>>217784124Because if no treaty is signed, then the Trade Federation has absolutely zero claim on Naboo and Gunray would be arrested (which is what happens in the film). I don't think Palpatine wanted his co-conspirators to be arrested on the chance that they'd squeal. If the treaty is signed, then it would go to the Senate where it would be endlessly debated and Palpatine, as Chancellor, would have huge amounts of sway over it.
>>217784271Extremely convoluted nonsense. >(which is what happens in the film).Yeah and then he appears in the following movies with exactly the same position lmao garbage writing
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B-w1SbkpzV8&pp=ygUfVGhlIHBoYW50b20gbWVuYWNlIHNlbmF0ZSBzY2VuZdIHCQmRCgGHKiGM7w%3D%3DThis scene basically portrays what the Senate is like.
Sheev's plan was never in any danger of failing. Once he had the blockade set up he knew exactly how it would play out and just had to keep the crisis going long enough to win the election. A few minor surprises and hiccups were nowhere near enough and everything the Jedi and Queen Amedala did was pissing in the wind.
>>217784392What an exciting premise for a movie.
>>217784331
>>217783836People hated the Prequels long before RLM, you fuckup.>inb4 you move the goalposts and say "W-WELL THEY WERE JUST BOOMERS/GEN-XERS!!"
>>217784225I'm saying there were no aggressive negotiations because there were no negotiations, the TF decided to murder the Jedi preemptively without talking to them once.>>217784261Qui-Gon didn't have any qualms about using the Mind Trick on Boss Nass and Watto, what makes you think he wouldn't do the same to Gunray? And when Watto rebuked his Mind Trick, Qui-Gon went on a fucking escapade and ruined Watto's entire life. If I were the TF I would be afraid to be making negotiations with a Jedi too, even if they don't pull out a lightsaber.
>>217784444Donald Gunray
>>217774625What a bunch of hacks. I can't believe these people ever listened to what they have to say.
>>217784490>Qui-Gon didn't have any qualms about using the Mind Trick on Boss Nass and Watto, what makes you think he wouldn't do the same to Gunray?We talked about that at the start, its exactly why sending Jedi to "negotiate" is stupid.
>>217784331>Extremely convoluted nonsense.Yeah, impotent bodies of government are just "convoluted nonsense" works of fiction. Would never happen in the real world.
>>217784514Do these people think IRL governments are perfect and aren't boggled down in political bullshit?
>>217775557Completely incorrect lolIt was very much alive, with daily autistic canon level debates probably comprising more text on forums than 10 Bibles, every week, for 2000 years.
>>217783798As far as the Senate was concerned it would be legal and they would be able to do nothing to intervene in what was an invasion of a member planet, which would make the Republic a bit pointless, wouldn't it? That was the point, that the Republic had become bloated and bureaucratic which Sheev was exploiting, also knowing the current Chancellor wouldn't stand up to it, turning all member planets against him. You're focusing on the wrong thing, Naboo was irrelevant and any details or consequences of the treaty is moot. Sheev threw them to the wolves. He wanted all the planets in the end.
>>217784514The prequels are what a 14 year old boy thinks politics are like.
>>217784585*OT
>>217784490>the TF decided to murder the jediNo they didn't, Sheev decided to murder the Jedi. The TF were not in charge.
>>217784594The OT doesnt do any politics. There is one throwaway line in Star Wars about the emperor dissolving parliament and thats it. That one line is also much better than any of the nonsense in Lucas prequel abortions.
>>217784585No, it's politics boiled down so a 14 year old (or younger) can understand it, which is why I'm finding it very weird that I'm debating supposed adults who don't understand it.
>>217784614But they were the one with all the stuff. Why did they even take orders from that mystery man who looks like Satan?
>>217784614Ah fuck, you got me. My argument is now in shambles.
>>217784631The politics of the OT is literally more childish than the PT because it is basically "everything is under the control of the Empire and here are the 'objectly' good guys"The politics of the PT perfectly portrays IRL politics where every decision is up for multi-minute to multi-hour debates, with the people in those debates being corrupt and actual criminals (like Nute Gunray) can get off scot free
>>217784648Because from the perspective of Nute Gunray (who was not completely aware of the full extent of Palpatine's plan), the outcome of the trade blockade and following occupation would result in Naboo being controlled by the Trade Federation, which could increase the profits of the Trade Federation
>>217782909Phasma should've been a brain damaged terminator they plugged a bunch of droid shit intoShe should've been the villain of the first movie Just kicking everyone's ass, and they should've stopped with the weak stormtrooper shitThat was never George's intent, they were supposed to be intimidatingThe script needed a lot of work, it should've been her with the knights of ren thing and they should've been stormtroopers with extra shit and they spend the first movie slowly taking them down
>>217785076That would require Disney, JJ, Rian, Bob, and Kathy to be both competent and creative
>>217783779The Magna Carta being signed under duress isn’t relevant to a treaty signed between member planets of a galactic senate. There is nothing governing King John except his desire to keep living. There are things governing members of a senate, which are capable of invalidating treaties signed under duress.
>Be about RLM>Devolves into battle between OT purists and Prequel fans>Battle is basically over the plot points of TPM and not the other two PrequelsKek
>>217784716The politics of the prequels is “I don’t understand what’s going on therefore one guy is in control.”
>>217785644You are a simpleton who hasn't watched them
>>217785221Thanks for the rundown, ChatGPT
>>217785667No, you.
>>217774238People here are either unbelievably fucking stupid or blatantly disingenuous.
>>217784768So what did they need Satan for?
