Why won't they bring back real animation?
doesn't look -that- great
money
>>217778300women who post images like this are usually crazy
>>217778300Takes too long and is too hard. The far less talented (actually fully un-talented) will do it with a computer that will look like total shit, but it'll be shiny and in full HD!
>>217778311you are a giant flaming faggot that should be thrown feet first into a wood chipper
>>217778311It kind of does. If you go back and watch toy story 1 now it looks like shit. If you go and watch snow white on blu ray, it looks incredibly kino.
>>217778300White guys made all four films you pictured. That's reason enough for hollywood
>>217778300cost money, takes time, requires employees who are artistically talented
because the people who could died and their skills weren't passed on.hell, richard williams established a school to try to pass on his skills and the graduates weren't hired anywhere.
>>217778300Do you have any idea how much money that would cost?And also, white woman dancing around doesn't appeal to the masses like it used to.
>>217778393Weird comment. All women are crazy, watching old cartoons has nothing to do with it.
>>217778300Sure thing. Find a crop of Americans under 45 (the video game/internet/cell phone generations) who are capable of drawing things that aren't flat Picasso looking crap, anime garbage, or Sonic characters. Good luck.
>>217778424i meant certain aesthetics draw the worst women aroundlike kuromi from hello kitty
>>217778300We've lost the technology
>>217778452Disney has the money to fund an entire art program for wannabe 2d animators.
Might see it one day since AI can do most of the inbetween frames and the artists can focus on keyframes. That's where a lot of the work went in.
>>217778473Damn, Malificient really flew in that room and roasted the shit out of them
>>217778452there's thousands. Problem is they don't want to pay them
>>217778300I’ve been watching Alice In Wonderland with my kid a lot recently and it’s a really great movie. When I’m done the book I’m on now I’m going to buy the original Lewis Carrol book on my kindle and if it’s appropriate I’ll order a hardback copy to read to her. I love watching the movie and trying to figure out what all the symbolism is referencing. I’ve heard that a lot of it is supposedly about the changes in the field of mathematics going on in the late 19th century that the author thought of as silly nonsense, so it’s fun to try to understand what he was parodying. Also there’s lots of imagery from Celtic and Germanic folklore in the film, which I’m a nerd for, and it’s just an absolutely beautiful motion picture just to look at.
>>217778300The original Disney cartoons (Snow White etc) looked amazing because they were made in the Great Depression or just after it and there were loads of very talented artists who would happily work twelve-hour days for minimum wage because any job was a precious thing.You couldn't afford to make them now. Not entirely hand-drawn anyway. (Maybe with a few key artists and a lot of AI it might be possible.) But it's more than technique. The whole culture behind them is gone. No point going into details, coz "go back to pol", etc.
Japan wonned
>>217778415>cost money, takes time, requires employees who are artistically talentednone of that is an issue if the billionaires would fund stuff like that instead of going to mars and private islands for mossad blackmail, gay billion dollar watches and other useless shit.
>>217778405Toy Story 1 looks fine
>>217778405>If you go back and watch toy story 1I just did few weeks ago (I had never watched it), the art is hilariously bad. It's like these morning cartoons for kids made with zero budget.
>>217778517>You couldn't afford to make them now. Not entirely hand-drawn anyway.Studio Ghibli kept doing it well into the modern eraIt's always possible if you have someone with enough to will to do it
>>217778473>>217778490have I be come too porn-brained or is maleficent hot
>>217778517>You couldn't afford to make them now.Well. They could. But they don't want to.
>>217778300Japan is
>>217778517>You couldn't afford to make them now.one million dollars per animator/artist, ez. get random theatre actors for voice actors instead of the rock or other useless freaks and save on the budget. ez money and crazy profits in cinemas, for children's animation.
>>217778607
>>217778300Same reason city lights are all blue now instead of a warm golden
>>217778618This looks like shitmore cuts than a marvel movie
>>217778586Yeah but it doesn't look kino the way snow white, a movie from 1940, does. Snow white looks like it could have been made, albeit at incredible expense, last year. Toy story could only have been made in the late 90s. >>217778514Based
>>217778607if she was meant to be ugly, they'd give her more vile features at least
>>217778393This. Women who love Disney too much are well on their way to becoming full-blown Disney adults like all those soiennial cringelords
>>217778452They're called furries anon, they pour their heart and soul into drawing the most beautiful red rocket's you'll ever see. They've spent their entire lives mastering different styles, lighting, and perspective to highlight the raw strength and virility of this hunky tiger man pounding a lithe and flexible rat boy.
>>217778607>have I be come too porn-brained or is maleficent hotboth
>>217778590I have off work most of winter every year but this is the first year I’ve ever had a baby to watch while I’m home all day, and holy shit are the baby shows on tv cheap and lazy. There’s this show called “Word Party” that they have the nerve to put poor dead Jim Henson’s name on that is so embarrassing. It’s motion capture animation like a video game and they never even bother to draw backgrounds (which is a common corner-cut on lots of baby shows). The show is supposed to be educational, but it isn’t, so I don’t let my kid watch it. But yeah put Toy Story 1 up against the art and animation in a modern episode of Pocoyo and Toy Story loses. And pocoyo doesn’t even have backgrounds
>>217778652would
>>217778713Most furries are over 50 and are from the Ukraine/Russia.
>>217778519>girlboss
>>217778674Because of the Jews and their contempt for goyim?
>>217778741Even after she aged a bit?
Sounds like a job for AI
>>217778422>white woman dancing around doesn't appeal to the masses like it used toThen explain TikTok.
>classic style There’s a world of difference between the art style of Snow White vs Sleeping Beauty.
>>217778698How did you get>Women who love Disney too muchfrom>I wish Disney would create a new movie in their classic style, it's so beautiful
>>217778405Toy Story 1 looks extra dated because it was made on a budget of only $30 million when every 3DCG film since has been made on at least $100 million. When you compare that to 2D, the only things made around $30 million are Aladdin, Oliver & Co, Cats Don't Dance, The Tigger Movie, Beauty and the Beast, and most Studio Ghibli films
>>217778300Disney has gone though a bunch of different styles over the years to save time and money. They never recognized it as something the specifically wanted to do.
>>217778300Because it's incredibly expensive and audiences seem to prefer CGI. They tried it again with The Princess and the Frog, but that didn't set the world on fire so they abandoned it.Disney is a company, not an art house. They make slop to make dosh. Simple as.
impressive how disney build up an empire, made people love them, just for the old guard to retire and give the keys to modern suits who have no idea on how to run a media giantsoul replaced with utter soulless trash, miss me with those live action remakes
>>217778765Yes
>>217778618It's kinda sad how anime only has gimmicky animation now.
>>217778490Looks really good
>>217778300The fact that public opinion in the last 10 years shifted from "Disney is for little girls" to "old Disney was soulful" shows the depressing state of modern animation.
>>217778825Compared to the mess they were in when Walt died, Disney is doing fairly well creatively and financially.
>>217778519Looks like shit in comparison, and Homo Kissen is shit source material anyway.
>>217778762I mean...
>>217778618If they were we would get animation like this, not spastic ADHD cut garbage
Reminder that basically every 3D Disney movie has a partially animated, line art sketch 2D animated version made for the sake of timing and guiding the final product. Instead of finishing that 2D version they just do CGI.
>>217778757>>217778870mmmm idk....idk man, MANY people are saying that this is peak
>>217778810That's... actually a really fair point anon, I didn't know that. I'd still like to see 2D style films though, nothing else looks quite like that imo. I'd also argue that a 3D production pipeline ends up being more expensive long term, because to keep pace with other studios you have to update to the latest and greatest and that means your film costs spiral, whereas for 2D you only need to invest in your production pipeline every now and then. Though maybe AI will change all of this.
>>217778815>audiences seem to prefer CGIthis is literally the cancer that is killing the media. you can make something fashionable again by doing it yourself. instead of spamming the same formulaic slop. and they wonder why people don't go to the movies anymore. being afraid to do something new (new also meaning bringing back something old in a new way, something that became a cliche but is not anymore because all the people that liked it forgot about it or are dead) will kill disney. and that's a good thing.
>>217778861They had a better reputation before the 2000s
>>217778300I saw a 70mm archival print of Sleepy Beauty last summer and it might have been the most gorgeous projection I've ever seen.
>>217778936>I'd also argue that a 3D production pipeline ends up being more expensive long termit does. all the additional shit you need for 3d is overwhelming, modeling, rigging, texturing, particles, rendering etc.
>>217778815Audiences don't prefer CGI by default, they like that CGI films have significantly more detail than 2D, where even background characters on screen for 3 seconds have realistic furrows and crypts in the irises of their eyes, but putting that much detail into the everything costs 5x as much as hand animating the thing. If you just cloned a 2D film into 3D people would say it is the cheapest knockoff garbage they'd ever seen.
>>217778903JJK always looked like to me it was made for gays and women.All the men are drawn with extreme attention to detail and look unrealistically fancy, and all the women are drawn very plain and have down-to-earth designs.
Honesty question why isn't there a 4k version of every classic Disney movies made with disgusting AI upscale yet? Are the waiting till everyone has a 4k TV?
>>217779089i think it's just you, both genders are equally detailed
>>217779120Disney does a good enough job ruining their own older films without the usage of AI.
>>217778887It’s so quaint to see Goku nervously dodge swords.
>>217779120Because 35mm film is 5.6k and 70mm film is 12k
>>217778861>The fact that public opinion in the last 10 years shifted from "Disney is for little girls" to "old Disney was soulful" shows the depressing state of modern animation.Adults used to go to Disney movies, even without kids.
>>217779143Nah, the women look like what you'd expect realistic drawn women to look like but the men all look like k-pop stars
>>2177783001)Too expensive 2) It takes creativity and leftists are creatively bankrupt
Look at westoids coping by posting shonen shit Pathetic
>>217778815>They tried it again with The Princess and the Frog, but that didn't set the world on fire so they abandoned it.That was ages ago.
>>217778519Goddamn, that's fucking gay.
>>217779089If you couldn’t peg it as homoslop the first five seconds after that outro started playing, I don’t know what to tell you.
>>217778519She fucking sucks as a character. She is the tranny author selfinsert and xe unironically removed cooler characters to shill this trash character
>>217779405I didn't watch a single episode, I'm just going by the vibes given from various screenshots I've seen on 4chan.
>>217779288Are you genuinely so retarded that you saw an anime webm and thought it was a jab at anime?
>>217779442obsessed
The most perfect product of animation in history.
>>217778618COMPUTERSLOP
>>217778698Wrong, he's talking about a different kind of woman, not a Disney adult. Disney adults lap up the retarded CGI garbage that's shat out in front of them. It's the BPDemons who yearn for the retro Disney/princess aesthetic.
>>217779571>It's the BPDemons who yearn for the retro Disney/princess aesthetic.Where do you get this stuff lol
>>217779620From 2 of my exes, and a friend's ex
>>217779548THE MILT KAHL CHARACTER'S DOING THE MILT KAHL THING
>>217779648
Because it takes effort
>>217779666Tigger trips
>>217779620I second it, they are drawn to it like your mom to black cocks
>>217779648>>217779666It's a fun little flex, extra motion that would be difficult for anyone else.
>>217779548>literally just an animal face making weird unnatural movementsI really don't understand furries, man.
>>217778419It's heartbreaking to see what became of the Mickey shorts after Walt Disney fought tooth and nail not to devalue the mouse's name. And I don't even blame anyone actually involved in making them; they aren't given any money to animate beyond translating their storyboards into off-model toonboom slop.
>why doesnt disney just hire thousands of non-existent experts in hand drawn animation and make a movie?????
>>217779725Have you considered the possibility that you are a homosexual?
>>217779798I think you might be stupid, anon
>>217778300Basically lost tech at this point, every western animator only knows modern calarts and blender
>>217779819You're the one getting horny for something that doesn't even look like a woman. It's literally an animal in a dress.
>>217778887People make fun of Toriyama's exposition scenes, but he wisely allocated all the animation time to the parts that actually mattered.
>>217778422>And also, white woman dancing around doesn't appeal to the masses like it used toBrown delusions. >>217778422>Do you have any idea how much money that would cost?Do you have any idea about how much money is being burned on absolute garbage?
>>217778490That close-up shot of him blinking was Animan Studios tier, fucking kek
>>217779674Those zebras must had been a headache to put together.
>>217778519JJK has cool fights but NO FUCKING STORY and dogshit characters. Might as well watch porn or UFC
>>217778300>>217779836You have no idea just how fucked animation is. Adobe is shutting down all their flash tools within the next couple months. It will become literally impossible to do any type of 2d animation that is not just some AI prompt
>>217779648>>217779666I find it incredibly funny they standardized what a talking tiger's facial expressions should be like.
>>217778815>Make a black princess>People dont accept it like the rest>"WELP, IT MUST HAVE BEEN THE CONCEPT OF ANIMATION IN GENERAL!"
>>217780277Kek
>>217779994All the webms that anon linked are from the utterly butchered blu-rays. IIRC disney "remastered" their classic works from their silver editions onwards (I believe there was the silver, gold and diamond editions) and the remasters were done extremely lazily by the studio, who basically took the bucked tool in paint and clicked everywhere. You can see every single surface looks flat and with no depth, and there's no more linework visible or blur in the coloring (which was intentional, creating visual interest and depth). The intent was to make it look digitally animated which, obviously, defeats the entire purpose of hand animating and coloring, it literally shits on the artwork. To add insult to injury, disney does not and refuses to release the originals in the high quality that they have in vaults, so more able people who want to faithfully remaster the works ( for free) have to scrounge it up from old film reels that are extremely expensive in auction or very early vhs tapes, which are obviously very low quality as far as resolution goes. Basically it's like disney wanted to 8k their content today, delegated it to an indian studio in mumbai that ran it through a cheap 2x AI script and then disney deleted all their previous content and told you that "it always looked like that actually".
>>217778514>I’ve heard that a lot of it is supposedly about the changes in the field of mathematics going on in the late 19th century that the author thought of as silly nonsenseThat's my favorite thing, to see works of art as callouts of liars and cheaters. My favorite movie in that regard is the original Wizard of Oz, which I think calls out the single moms (munchkins are kids of single moms) and fake intellectuals (the Wizard). Look into the "Alice in Wonderland syndrome" described in psychiatry:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29151098/Admittedly, psychiatry suffers from self-reporting and reproduction crisis, but I think it's worth looking into every aspect of the work if you're really into it.
>>217780525Also if you're at all interested there are blogs and whole websites dedicated to the comparison of the many versions of all classic disney movies (hand animated) with careful breakdowns and explanations on the whole thing
>>217780277Disney's always been making impulsive decisions like that. Sleeping Beauty was a flop that made $5.3 million on a $6 million budget on the initial release, and instead of recognizing that it flopped because it was a 70mm exclusive that 99% of movie theaters in the US didn't have the equipment to show, they said it was because it was a princess movie and princess movies are out of style. They made another 70mm-exclusive flop (The Black Cauldron) before they tried princess movies again.
>>217778618It looks like dogshit, i can't tell what's happening 90% of time
I know that people love to shit on anime, but I will always prefer it over most Western animation because the Japs at least try to do interesting things, even if they end up being bad. Camera angles, transitions, fight choreography, etc.. I still appreciate Disney for all they did, but I can't watch their movies anymore.
>>217780654Yikes. What happened on the right? AI?
>>217780705That's just Ufotable being Ufotable. Problem is that the average modern anime fan loves flashing lights. It's the only thing they care about.
>>217780711I loved anime when I was in my teens and 20s but now it all just feels like juvenile teenager media now. I still have some nostalgia for old 80s OVAs, though.
>>217778618Anime still looked infinitely better in the 90s. Animation just sucks globally for the last 20 years or so. Hopefully AI can save us from this shitty animation purgatory.
>>217778476Walt Disney literally didIt's called CalArts
>>217780759Anime is different now than it was back then
>>217780725that's the "remaster" it was done before modern AI. It's actually a very lazy filter and messing around with color settings. It's disgusting and if you're younger than 25 it's all you've ever know. You don't even know it CAN look like the left, the original work. Disney refuses to show the originals anywhere and doesn't acknowledge the quality drop.
>>21778079580s OVAs also had insane budgets and longer release schedules. Modern anime can look good, but a lot of studios just want to pump out as many anime as possible and they end up making garbage.
>>217778300these are different stylesbambi and snow white look plain and are boring as shitalice makes up for everything with it's creative designs and psychedelic scenessleeping beauty is one of the most beautiful movies of all time
>>217778519>Anime which is shot on 10s bragging about 24fps, this sequence includedGood one
>>217780801Gross. I imagine most old Disney films looked best on Laserdisc.
>>217778300Too time-consuming to do, therefore too expensive to do. Alice alone took over 2 million drawings to make if you count in all the storyboards, roughs, the inks and the finished frames. To make an animated film within reasonable time-frame like 1-2 years, you need to hire an army of animators to stay within deadline. Doesn't matter if you pay them minimum wage, shit is still going to be expensive.
>>217780848They would be plain and boring if they were animated using puppet rigs in Toon Boon Harmony
>>217780870the stuff in OP was mostly rotoscoped entirely, more frames doesn't mean it's better
>>217778744Keep telling yourself that
>>217780903>Later Disney films like Cinderella and Alice in Wonderland adapted a basic form of the rotoscoping technique – rather than projecting and tracing, animators simply watched scenes played out in live action in order to observe body movements and expressions.
Everyone who knew how to do this is dead
>>217780932That's what roto is, yeah. Anime rotoscopes too sometimes but those movies people claim are PEAK of animation from Disney are basically traced from real life. I mean i don't hate them but i think anime does more and better original sakuga. And the biggest point of all: Japan still does amazing 2d while the West completely dropped if for 3d.
>>217780903you don't know what rotoscoping is or how those movies were made. >>217780932Like this anon said, it was just to observe anatomy and even then only to get animators unstuck in some scenes or frames. If you had known what actual rotoscoping looked like you'd never suggest those disney movies used it
>>217780923White people in general have a thing for wanting to have sex with animals. I'm guessing it's passed down behavior from their ancestors growing up as poor farmers and only having livestock to keep them company.
>>217781022AIDS did start in Africa though :(
>>217778311Animation is completely dead, both in the west and the east.
>>217780901i know in comparision to modern computer garbage they are masterpieces, but that does not change the fact that snow white is boring as shit and was a disaster for animation world with its semi-realistic style and focusing on toddlers as an audiencethis is the kind of kino we were getting daily just few years ealierhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7VUU_VPI1Edisney let itself be this cool only few times, like in that schizo dumbo sequence for example
>>217780994Disney did manage to perfect the art of rotoscoping tho. there's lots of more amaturish roto'd stuff out there that falls into the uncanny valley. Disney animators figured out the perfect blend of copying and stylizing, so that everything just moves nicely without just looking like an instagram filter
>>217780903>>217780994>That's what roto is, yeahNo its not. Rotoscoping is drawing directly on top of the live reference. Disney animators used live reels for reference instead. Not just to see how clothes like dresses flowed in movement but also because theater actors and dancers knew how to make cooler body language than middle aged men sitting on front of paper all day.Rigid objects in Disney films were rotoscoped, such as deer horns in Bambi, or Cruella De Vil's car. Those were cast into miniatures then photographed from every possible angle, then animators traced on top of the photos.
>>217780654
>>217778300>>217778311>>217778393>>217778698AI could never replace hand drawn watercolors and oils
>>217781022Why did nonwhites struggle so hard to domesticate animals?
>>217778607>>217778652>>217778741Stop lusting after evil women.https://ahri2mp4.rule34.xxx//images/6078/2656ade1d06abf1ddd5a10f6f3ec5097.mp4?6914181
>>217781078Not true, have you seen that demon tummy?
>>217781078>>217780993>>217778490If you guys like old Disney I suggest checking out the Disney archives book. Its just hundreds of pages of artwork, sketches, storyboards, and concept drawings
>>217781115>AI could neverlol
>>217778300Because all the traditional animators who actually knew how to do that kind of work are either long-retired or dead.
>>217781022>shitskin seetheand likely shitskins fuck animals at a higher rate. having a subhuman soul leads subhuman behavior.
>>217780994>vidrelThis shit looks like ass, pure visual noise. JJK/MHA/CSM have been a curse on shonen. Fuck your sasuga eyerape, give me some good fight choreography in a good art style with animation I can acutally follow. Actual anime is starting to look like what we used to parody as being anime. Characters flying around in neon flashes and clouds and debris or skating around weightless atop traced 3D environments. Just garbage. Take me back to fucking original DragonBall over this, at least the fights were actual fights.
>>217779152Dragon Ball died as every character became overpowered to the point that traveling around the world became pointless since everyone can fly and fights were dumbed down from well choreographed martial arts matches to two teleporting wizard in space firing lazers at each other.
>>217781129Should have had sex with them more, I guess.
>>217781155
>>217781147>constant camera shake>terrible colors>constant jump cuts>every single fucking move has to have a billion eye raping flashing effects flying out of it like you are playing some shitty Korean mmo
>>217781147How is this how I find out that season two is out. Thanks anon.
>>217781171This.
>>217778300No one will ever put that much care into animation ever again. It's a lost art by now.And the zoomer who made that post doesn't know that the last classic animation's hurrah by Disney was utter shit that got memoryholed right away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7E5Zr6QEU
>>217781174
War on beauty, Whites, traditional values, on happiness itself
>>217781172That your plan? No wonder you people had a hard time.
>>217778986Where/how? I want to see the original print.
>>217781191it's pretty visually clear, also those "camera shakes" have to be manually created since there isn't a real camera. Hope you realize this.
Pewdiepie went to studio WIT and spent the whole day there working with the Attack on Titan animators. It's pretty cool https://youtu.be/2UN7IJvDqHk
>>217781231I wrote out a good paragraph calling you condescending and highlighting how the name of a method of camera movement doesn't change when there is no actual physical camera involved, but then I realized you are beneath me and decided to delete it in favor of calling you a filthy nigger.
>>217778986I've been told there's something about the light source in older projectors that really makes prints from that time period pop. But I don't know the technical details.
>>217781131oh my god
>>217781280You were that asshurt? wow.
>>217781231>have to be manually createdIf you can call simple motion tween trick thats probably a preset template macro loop in their studio camera tween libraries a "manual" movement.
>>217781171Imo, DBZ was just extended DB until the end of the Frieza arc. That was the peak. You saw Goku go from monkey kid to legendary god that could fuck up the ruler of the galaxy. After that, it was just redoing Frieza and trying to make characters even more powerful, even though once you have characters that can casually destroy planets you're basically done. DBZ until the end of Frieza should be grouped with DB, because it is the natural end state. There was no real way to evolve past it. What's that, he's the legendary super saiyan now? Well actually there is super saiyan two and three and four and legendary super saiyan Broly! How is Broly different, well he's ACKSHULLY the legendary super saiyan! Even though the form of super saiyan was meant to be the legendary form... Oh, and Bardock also went super saiyan before Goku so it's not even that special! Oh, and Frieza is the ultimate galactic terror? Nope, because some old guy made a half robot half clone thingy. Oh, and there's a demon made of bubble gum. Oh, there's actually 12 universes and they all have gods of destruction yada yada yada...tl;dr, OG Dragon Ball is peak, DBZ is also peak until the end of Frieza, everything else is just padding.
>>217781316Dragon Ball is for autists.
>>217781316I always thought Frieza was a great ending point too because he was the asshole responsible for the genocide of the Saiyans and the entire reason Goku got shot into space in the first place.
>>217781329wheredoyouthinkweare.jpg
>>217781360/pol/ lite. Dragon Ball is for autists.
Why are threads that would belong on /co/ and /a/ so much higher quality on /tv/?
>>217780277same shit hitting videogames>alright we remade Dead Space but this time everyone is a homosexual Ugandan and there are transgender bathrooms and the audio logs make sure to specify the pronouns of the speaker>damn it didn't sell, I guess people don't like Dead Space
>>217781388This is a poor quality thread, however you're going to get more discussion here because /co/ and /a/ are just pedophile hangouts.
>>217781222I'm going to sound like a /pol/tard schizo here but I swear the modern prequels to older fairy tale movies like Wicked and Maleficent feel subversive.>actually the evil satanic character was just innocent and misunderstood>actually the good guys were all cheating on their wives and racist and treated the "bad guy" like shit because they are abusiveplus, you know, just generally being ugly as fucking sin
>>217781231>open image in mspaint>resize window to smaller than image>click scroll barswow such manual creation
>anyone says anything bad about western animation >a bunch of gaijins start shitting on animethe absolute state of non-Japanese
>>217781500>people calling out my low quality modern diarrhea clearly just hate all animefuck off
>>217781500Anime has always used a lot of cheap tricks because shows were designed for TV so both budgets and deadlines were much tighter. Absolute best animation in animes you only see in OVAs or full feature films.Otherwise Japan and Korea are the bastions of "traditional style", mostly because lazy americans have relegated the brunt of the animation work to Asia since early 90's. Not a single western cartoon show in the past 20 years that didn't offshore Inbetweening to koreans, taiwanese or japs.
>>217781230Music Box Theatre in Chicago.Apparently there are only a few 70 prints still existing so Disney is pretty conservative of when they share them with theaters.
>>217778300Because anime basically covers everyone’s 2D animation needs, whether you like it or not. I don’t make the rules, it’s just that Disney and other 2D film studios are dead or switched to 3D cause it’s “The future”
>>217778517Animators were even better paid than today at Disney. Back in 1941, Art Babbitt was on the modern equivalent of 400k.
>>217780277Crazy how public opinion flipped against animation just in time to reject a black princess before immediately flipping back to liking animation
>>217781592A lot of that was from Disney competing against the Fleischer brothers, he sniped a ton of talent from them because they both paid and treated their animators like shit.
>>217781520Watch more than seasonal trash
>>217781619Stop yelling at mirrors, people will think you are crazy.
>>217781268>watching pewdiepie in 2026
>>217781551The current TAG union minimum for inbetweeners is $45.42/hr. During the 1941 animator strike they were paid $12 per week, when adjusted for inflation that comes to about $6.80/hr. Modern Japanese inbetweeners are paid a piece rate which averages $8/hr when converted to USD.
>>217781165How the fuck do you animate something like this?
>>217778517>The original Disney cartoons (Snow White etc) looked amazing because they were made in the Great Depression or just after it and there were loads of very talented artists who would happily work twelve-hour days for minimum wage because any job was a precious thing.Thats the funny thing. Disney didn't hire already established artists, they hired people straight off the street. The only requirement was willingness to learn and willingness to draw endless amount of pictures. Disney legends like the creator of Pluto had 0 drawing experience when he was hired to the studio. Because Disney itself was a pioneer of animation, they had to train their own workers themselves so they had both training period before actual job and they built cheap condo apartments for their workers right next to the studio.Art and animation are not something only "talented" can do. Animation especially requires people who treat it like a proper job that requires lot of patience because animating in ones or twos means every single second of animation requires 12-24 drawings to be created. So 10 seconds of animation is 120-240 drawings, 1 minute is 720-1440 pictures. Feature length 90 minutes is 64800-129600 drawings and thats just the finished frames not counting sketches or roughs. You are going to become a good artist by itself because you have to draw such insane amount to get anything done. Animation courses in art schools usually have only a couple of people actually graduating and rest switching to Graphic Design instead because they're lazy shits.
>>217778300This "classic" style is so saccharine and gay it makes you feel sick. There's a reason no one talks about or watches these animes anymore.
>>217781666>The current TAG union minimum for inbetweeners is $45.42/hr.Infernal trips. But I bet that rate could be much lower in the US if your animation studio would not be situated in big cities and nowhere near California.
>>217781672Someone hand draws the lines for the branches and the top of the front porch, special effects department adds a paint filter on top. Animation was drawn and painted in transparent cells similar to uber-detailed oil paintings. They were the Photoshop Layers of the time.
Agreed, Disney should get back to it's roots.
>>217778300theyre not even willing to pay slaving koreans anymorewhat makes you think they'd pay americans for detailed animation on hand painted cels?
Cartoons went extinct so they can't cast them anymore
>>217781468That's not even a question. The people making that trash will flat out tell you that's what they're doing
>>217781757Now they'd have to hire zoomers on their phones, and if you tell them to stop browsing tiktok and pay attention to the live study material, they'll cancel you and you'll get blacklisted and have to work at McDonald's, and the only fun thing you can do there is watch Ray Croc be baffled by the concept of eating food out of a bag.
>>217780277>Make Mars Needs Moms, a total piece of shit with terrifying uncanny CGI scaring children that flopped>Disney: it was the word MARS, you have to market John Carter of Mars as just "John Carter"
>>217778954C3 was unbridled kino across the board and the production crew's reward was being shuttered altogether forever
>>217782540Their recent film Strange World just surpassed Mars Needs Moms as the biggest animated flop of all time, even when adjusted for inflation
>>217779674Those were CGI like all the nonspeaking animals were in TLK
>>217778300>THEIR styleThose men died years ago, that trademark Disney style is lost technology, at least lost on the pedokikes who own Disney now.
>>217779786Paul Rudish put heart and soul into his Mickey shorts you contrarian cunt
>>217780099>Adobe is shutting down all their flash tools within the next couple months.Fuck
>>217781618Fleischer's were largely irrelevant by that point, Disney's biggest competitors were Looney Tunes and MGM.
>>217780099There's still opentoonz and toon boom and moho if you want to make modern animation
>>217780994>Japan still does amazing 2d>Backgrounds are all CGI outlines digitally bucket filledThat's been the case since at least Sora no Woto where all the villages were CGI, don't suck that dick so soon
>>217778519Agreed
>>217778419>because the people who could died and their skills weren't passed on.No we didn't, retard. It's just that no one wants to FUCKING PAY US so we have to drive fucking Uber.>>217781672In layers, do you not even have Photoshop, AIzoomtard? Imagine that but physical.
fresh webbum
>>217781360/co/I get that Mexicans can't tell the difference but still
>>217781419>because /co/ and /a/ are just pedophile hangouts.This board was cunnyposting central until the janitor allowed Baneposting to run amok here
>>217781468>Brown.jpgThe grading, not the actors
>>217782803explain how that matters as long as they look good
>>217781520Muh giant popeyes and muppet mouths, it's SOOOO GOOOD
You may not like it but Glitch is going to save the animation industry
>>217781776>if your animation studio would not be situated in big cities and nowhere near California.No shit, that's why those unions are hostile to other locations and if you worked in that business you'd be the same way
>>217781757So Jerry Colonna and Ed Wynn actually acted out their characters' movements?
>>217778300>Why won't they bring back real animation?It expensive, labor intensive, and takes a lot of time and space. Add to that, traditional animation requires institutional knowledge that is constantly training new animators who would learn the process, the tricks, and tips in time to pass them on to the next generation of animators. Plus with the 3d movies they've always been secretly pretty clever about it using each movie is basically R&D for tools they can use on the next movie. Like 'brave' was just an excuse to spend a lot of money to figure out a way to do better more realistic hair. Moana was about water physics, etc. Not to mention that even when disney was making traditionally animated movies they treated their artists like absolute dirt and kept them under really nasty non-compete contracts.
>>217782064Fucking PeTA
>>217782579Aliens, dinosaurs, and brown shota faggotsJust empty a .38 into the head of anyone who suggests a kid movie centered on these
>>217781520>Zoomers will never understand the hype of watching this soulful grainy masterpiece after school in 2004 I want to go back
>>217782985You haven't seen any anime predating MHA have youThose are static backgrounds, all of them, not what I'm talking aboutAnd that horse is a fucking nightmare
>>217783150Seen more than you. I'm just not a bitter /a/utist about it.
>>217783139cool world was a fucking tripso was dick tracy
>>217779969You're a fucking retard.
it's funny to me how people glaze cel animation when it's almost always choppy and often has strange timing due to people drawing too many frames for a sequence. like you can see what I'm talking about clearly here with the bird >>217778473it's literally "old good new bad" contrarian grognard bullshit. that's it.multiple aspects of webm related would not be possible before digital animation. it is objectively better. you just want cel animation to be better the same way hipsters want vinyl to be better. you're a hipster. you're one of those guys.
>>217783009With KoG, yesWith the rest of their autistic robot shows, no
>>217783009Glitch is certainly saving boobs in western animation
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>>217781168MAPPA is a fucking plague.
>>217783066>when disney was making traditionally animated movies they treated their artists like absolute dirt and kept them under really nasty non-compete contracts.Ed Catmull, arguably the father of CGI since the early 1970s, orchestrated the same non-compete scheme between all the major studios (a federal crime, btw) where they secretly agreed not to hire each others' slaves away from each other.
>>217778300Lost technology
>>217783180>lmao you have standards?>well I guzzle down buckets of shit by the truckload!
>>217783238One thing I noticed about newer sakuga is that the backgrounds never look like the characters are in them. Yuri on Ice and Castlevania just look like they're sliding the backgrounds around while the characters are doing some big action move. I don't hate all modern animation but I like the look of old anime more.
>>217783180NTA but 8.49 is a mongrel mean score. 1 is bad, 10 is good. 5 is average. you treat 5 as bad. you're dumb
>>217783289>footfag garbage
>>217783238>multiple aspects of webm related would not be possible before digital animation.The lighting was invented by Steven Lisberger for Animalympics and Tron in 1979. Name what else you think this clip owes to digital.
>>217783301>psh, you haven't seen enough anime KID !>yes i have>WELL YOU'VE SEEN TOO MANY YOU LOSER !!!okay>>217783315i only rated a few shows so it's higher than it would normally be
>>217783310that's just dumb and wrong and sounds like you haven't watched much. has everything to do with background vs animated character design choices. here's an example from cel animation where you can literally just see the little crudely drawn cel paintings sitting on a hand painted background that doesn't match well with the coloring of the characters, from a series I'm quite fond of.
>>217783371A retarded cave dweller who has spent his entire life eating nothing but his own boogers and stool is not able to tell me why steak actually tastes bad. Go back.
>>217783422You're right. I should have just stuck to the same 20 anime /tv/ recommends every time and ignore everything else, my God...i'm so dumb...what the fuck caused me to open my mind and try new things. Must have been retarded.
>>217783315This would only be true if you watched a random selection of shows, or every show in existence. Most people watch stuff because it’s highly rated or it was recommended to them, so it makes they would trend higher than average.
>>217783310and a random example from digital, with character quality about matching background quality, making the animated character appear much more natural in her setting. I would have an easier time finding jarring animation cels in painted backgrounds 10x over than finding jarring examples of digital animation.you're just a hipster>>217783323feel free to show the same level of lighting tricks using cel animation. I'm firmly aware of them.
>>217783446False dichotomy, fuck off with your attention seeking contrarian stupidity. I hope this insult satisfies whatever desperate unresolved craving for negative attention your parents left you with.
>>217783128Bitch I grew up in the 80's and 90's. We didn't have enough resolution to see "grain." Early 2000's was when they finished a massive national project to lay fiber optic wires and phase out copper, and you started getting the first digital broadcasts and people started getting flatscreens.
>>217783466yes, exactly, dumb mongrel thinking. you rate things based on a hyothetical context of noumena instead of within the realm of your phenomena on a relative scale against other phenomena. you lack the context of comparison to assume everything you have not seen is worse than everything you have seen, yet do so for no logical reason. you are a dumb ape
>>217781147That's pretty bad all things considered. It's quite sad how cheap and samey nip animation has become. I'm surprised they're not doing the stupid block shit everyone was copying for a while.
Thoughts on my MAL?
>>217781191>>217783558these two people are blatant contrarian hipsters. that was very good animation.
>'bring back 2d animation' mfs when you tell them to pick up a pencil
>>217782561Is three actually good? >>217783577Lol why get upset at someone's opinion? I'm half nip (not a nigger) and I think it looks quite bad even compared to older series.
>>217783571who cares about stats? that's not what arts about. post your favorites
>>217783486>feel free to show the same level of lighting tricks using cel animation.https://theasc.com/articles/making-of-tron-1982We saw this shit all the time in logo animations during the 80s before it was even remotely practical to do with CGI
>>217783603why would being half squint make you some kind of authority on animation quality?
>>217783580>just resurrect this dead industry and rediscover literal decades worth of lost techniques and methods in your basementebin
>>217783628It doesn't. It just means I grew up with a lot of this stuff and the way some of you fags act about it is silly.
>>217783628the same reason being half faggot makes you an expert on sucking cock
>>217783618I said the same level. tron looks like shit and is all shakey. coming from someone who likes the movie. you're just a hipster. "old good new bad" -- you
>>217783630>lost techniques and methodsanimator's survival kitthe illusion of lifeelemental magicget to work faggot
>>217783642who here didn't grow up watching animation? fucking retard. that's a near global phenomenon.
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>>217783238This is excellent bait, almost fools me into thinking you believe the shit you wrote.
>>217783603>Is three actually good?Lady Tremaine steals the wand, goes back in time to steal the glass slipper so the prince marries Anastasia instead and Cindy has to fucking earn everything that was handed to her in the original timeline starting with breaking out of her basement, which she does by kicking ass. It's an action movie.
>>217783630Unironically I could see generative AI being genuinely useful at bringing down the cost and time sink required for traditional animation. Like you could just animate the key frames and a few interstitial frames and let an AI generate the few frames in between those. It shouldn't have enough room to go all sloppa, and if you trained the model on your own reels, then it should really just do the job of making the same picture but slightly different when it has strict start and end points (the key frames on either side).
>>217783694>nobody could possibly disagree with my bad, objectively wrong views -- it could only be bait99% of cel animation looks like ass. 50% of digital animation looks like ass. it's that simple. you're just a hipster.there are mother fuckers who will look you dead in the eye and say berserk has good animation.
>>217783691where is the high res version of this
>>217783662>tron looks like shit and is all shakey
>>217783724Is 3 the one where Eric jumps out the window?
>>217780994that webm looks like dogshit
>>217778300It's a lost art like building the pyramids.
>>217783663They had zero shame
>>217783756I don't remember
>>217778300>beautiful>by the wokies who hate beauty and worship uglinessKek. Keep dreaming.
>>217783748it's true. it looks marginally better than lightsabers and blaster fire in a new hope. which is not good.also not looking like much of an authority when I ask for animation that compares and you bring up live action material. you're just a desperate hipster with no knowledge. which is sad. most hipsters at least study their dumb nerdy old bullshit.
>>217780277>>217781612>it was the racistsNo that movie sucked. They made it for the sake of politics and making a black princess instead of an organic story for the sake of entertainment eg Mulan.
2D animation is a literal nightmare and id fucking shoot myself if i did it as a job. i do it for funsies but theres little fun to be found, its tedious difficult and slowi absolutely dont blame the industry switching to 3d, it's 100x less of a headache in every possible way
>>217783275I probably shouldn't have implied it was a disney exclusive thing. But animation itself to be economically viable you basically NEED a sweatshop. And if 99% of western animation is aimed towards kids who don't know any better, offshore the bulk of the animation to japan, who then began outsourcing to korea, who is now outsourcing to vietnam.
>>217783910>>217783853Somebody at Disney had a fetish for fish.
>>217783691>>217783745Here.
This was 1935.
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>217783952Oh it's the exact same fucking faggot that constantly derails threads on /v/, reports on topic ones and makes unhinged rants about rpgs, nevermind, hope you get permabanned again you complete fucking nigger. Adopt a trip already so I never have to see you again.
>>217783743I thank god every day that despite Mrs. Brisby and Gadget from the rescue rangers being some of my earliest boners I managed to not become a furry. Though I do have an extreme weakness for mousy women.
>>217778300Pretty sure they don't have enough skilled people for that anymore because nobody taught them.They should've invested in an animator school.
>>217783986I literally don't go on /v/ and I only use my trip for tournaments in /vg/.
>>217783948source?
>>217784048Three Orphan Kittens
>>217784081>phone number on her teepee
>>217784037>animator school.The animator school was literally working for one of the big studios. Disney or WB where you were put into a meat grinder. Each studio wanted to protect their own style, so they wanted things like that to be 'proprietary.' And you can't say they weren't warned, because they were, but no one cared because animation is still viewed as a children's media, and japan's lost decade means they can't dump infinite money into the anime industry either.
>>217781468>>217782097Yeah. Even fucking toy story had woody give up on loyalty.
>>217782806Those tits would have to whip around so fast that they would tear off to be able to do that with the bullet
>>217784395>anime is stupid and unrealistic
>the animation is good because it's entirely on 1s!
>>217784595>the animation is good because it's on 3s like the hecking spiderverse film!
Because permavirgins would complain either way.
>>217778300You want your white world back so much huh? Awwwww: (
>>217781468Just to play doubles advocate, that's not exactly a 'new' thing. Especially any time there is a historical/cultural figure/event involved and you can have the same story from different points of view. And wizard of oz was always kind of fucked when you get the big reveal, and realize Oz the great and powerful was just a sheister conning an entire kingdom who immediately dips the fuck out of town the minute this news is made public. Even as a kid I was like "Then who were those bitches she murdered?" Also there have been a million oz books, movies, cartoons, comics, stage plays, etc that just about every variation of every kind of story has been told three times already. I think actresses like doing the roles because they get to be a big sexy ham in a ridiculous costume.
>>217784832>admitting it was better
>>217785035Learning to share is hard for white men. You'll learn
>>217782905the weird thing about rotoscoping is that it almost looks like AI, at that level of zoom, with the toenail constantly disappearing and reappearing.
