This was some retarded shit.
another anon gets Bugonia'd
>>217806065Turn your webcam off
>Main character was right the whole time>In the process he kills his mom and fucks everything upSo what was the point of being right then?
>>217806382I think there's room for interpretation with what happened. It's possible that Emma Stone's character was going to send him up to the ship, as she did use the calculator and put him in the transporter, as well as cry for the loss of humanity. So he could have saved the world, but his bomb-making was too shitty to do so. Which does play well with the fact that he didn't arrive on the truth because he was so intelligent, but that he was an idiot who stumbled upon it, and lacked the self-control to not act on something that was clearly beyond his scope.
>>217806382nobody cares about poor white men
>>217807102Then the movie failed, whereas Save the green planet is a mad young social outcast who comes to speak the truth for everyone that lives under the boot of corporate CEOs, just like him.
>>217807048>his bomb-making was too shittyIts not that, its there was still too much that he didn't know and couldn't predict, a big point of the movie was that he was in way over his head, he didn't even necessarily know she had a teleporter or exactly how he would be taken to the ship let alone what kind of tech it would use and how it would interact with human electronics and combustible chemicals.
>>217806065were u hoping to be enlightened? its a movie retarded nigger
>>217806065>filteredbugonia > dogtooth > koasd > poor things > lobster > kok > favourite > alps > kinetta
>>217806065You don't like it because it takes the piss out of chuds like you.
>>217808570Not really, it completely validates chuds and their theories while just implying that the corruption they aspire to eliminates is far larger than they could ever imagine or confront to the point their existence is entirely dependent on it and its actions.
>>217806065>>217807221This is the only anon that gets it. >>217806382>>217808512>>217808570Bugonia doesn't work because Yorgos Lanthimos, despite having a bit of a comedic streak, is also a dramatist, and he takes things deathly seriously for the sake of grounding characters. But the problem is that this is based on a screenplay that is batshit insane. Save the Green Planet is a nearly full-blown comedy that is inherently absurd. It is intended to be wild and satirical. Taking it as seriously as a heart attack doesn't work and diminishes it. You're supposed to be feel constant tonal whiplash, whereas Bugonia just leaves viewers confused as to what the fuck Yorgos is trying to say. He tried to impart his own personal politics within the film regarding corporatized monotony, conspiracy theories and a young man lacking direction who desperately searches for purpose.
>>217806382He was wrong. He was so wrong that he ended up being directly responsible for humanity's demise.You were supposed to know he was wrong when he started torturing that lady he kidnapped and casually revealed he'd tortured/killed a bunch of people before hand.Just because he's a sexless loser doesn't mean you have to identify with him.
>>217806382The whole point is that it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong if your methods are unsound. The movie is spitting in the face of the idea that the ends justify the means. Yes, he was right. He figured out the whole fucking thing. Whether or not he did so because he's an intelligent person or an idiot who just happened to be right, it doesn't really matter. The point is that he kidnapped someone and tortured them in order to get information from them, which informs his victim into someone who dismisses the entirety of the human race enough to kill every single person living on Earth. He drove her to that edge. Let's say you're a conspiracy theorist who believes that we are in fact governed by fucking reptiles or aliens or some other fucking harebrained bullshit, right? How you go about trying to unravel that mess for humanity is going to dictate whether or not humanity survives or not. People want to say that that's not the case. For instance, the current Trump administration would like to believe that scorching the planet will result in some kind of renewed goodness for America and humanity at large. Very clearly, that is not the case. All they're doing is driving up violence, division, and the fires of hatred. This is not conducive to a bettered society, regardless of whatever it is that they parrot.
>>217808956>Yes, he was right. He figured out the whole fucking thing.He didn't figure out that the aliens were actually trying to save humanity from itself.
>>217806382Ultimately, the people who understand the situation for what it is are tragically not capable of solving the problem. The elites, who convinced themselves they are heroes, will end us if there ever becomes a point where they feel like we become 'unsalvageable' and/or at risk of the totem being flipped. Despite the alien's attempts to "save our species", they are in fact our torturers, and will blame us for any morally black shit they pull in the meantime.
>>217808956>For instance, the current Trump administration would like to believe that scorching the planet will result in some kind of renewed goodness for America and humanity at large.lol what in the fuck are you babbling on about?
>>217808956>orange man outta nowhere how mind broken are you, kwab.
>>217809094Conservative rhetoric is literally all about how the ends justify the means, anon.Trickle-down economicsWatergateIran–Contra affairAbu Ghraib torture scandalEnhanced interrogation techniquesNSA warrantless wiretappingThe Iraq War/ Patriot Act (granted, Democrats also supported this)Family separation policy at the U.S. borderVoter suppression lawsSupport for authoritarian allies (Pinochet, Saudi monarchy)COINTELPRO McCarthyismJanuary 6 electoral objectionsGerrymandering for partisan advantageLaw and order crackdowns overriding civil libertiesUnion-busting legislation
>>217808912>He was wrong.About which part?>directly responsibleNo, he was indirectly responsible, it was the queen who popped the bubble because the alien counsel demanded it.Just because someone is in a position of authority doesn't mean you have to identify with them and scapegoat/justify their contemptible actions.
>>217809109How are people still on this meme of criticizing the Trump administration is some kind of like ridiculous assumption? This guy is like literally the fucking worst president we've ever fucking had. It's like not even a debate anymore. He's eroding the basic foundation of our fucking democracy, which is really saying something because it's not like the last presidents of the last 50 years have been really all that great.
>>217808956>He figured out the whole fucking thing.No, he didn't figure out why they were doing what they were doing or even that she had a teleporter in her office that would trigger explosives to detonate immediately instead of beaming something dangerous into the ship.
>>217809159>>217809159>No, he didn't figure out why they were doing what they were doingWell, that's why he was interrogating her to begin with. TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING!>or even that she had a teleporter in her office that would trigger explosives to detonate immediately instead of beaming something dangerous into the shipIt's implied he may have fucked up the construction of the device by the EMTs. He wasn't an expert with explosives. If Emma Stone knew he was gonna blow up, she would have done a better job taking cover.
>>217809142lol. lmao even. also>wewould you look at the time? most americans are sleeping, saar.
>>217806065>This was some retarded shit.the original korean film was better.https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0354668/
>>217809128actually I do agree. time to end this kosher right wing nonsense.
>>217809189>Well, that's why he was interrogating her to begin withWell, that's further proof he didn't actually figure out the whole fucking thing, he wouldn't have needed to kidnap and interrogate if he actually figured out the whole fucking thing.>It's implied he may have fucked up the construction of the device by the EMTs.They don't know anything, they are useful idiots for her system of government who also implied she was a human ceo instead of an alien queen.>He wasn't an expert with explosives. Way closer to an expert than some random EMTs.>If Emma Stone knew he was gonna blow up, she would have done a better job taking cover.The fact that she backed away from the door at all proves she knew, there was really not much space in that office to take cover especially after being tortured for days.
>>217809191Why the fuck would India care about Trump? But I'm glad you're such a loyalist that even thinking for a second about this is impossible for you. You're the reason why this country is the way it is now. Well, that's not true. The reason this country is the way it is now is because the smartest people in the world have no morals.
>>217809049And further, Teddy's quest is quixotic. He is sympathetic and we root for him, but he is ultimately wrong to believe he is capable of changing the system and is putting everything at risk on a hail mary. (His black co-worker is proven right for not rocking the boat on the OSHA claim.) His points on activism and honestly a lot of other concepts are completely sound, but he fails to question the methodology of his own campaign to save humanity. In many ways, he actually mirrors the aliens in that he becomes a torturer in the process of trying to save humanity, but both he and the aliens never look at himself/themselves. Teddy's background does justify his extreme action more, given that he was tortured first (and at the hands of the aliens themselves) and lacks the levers of power that may allow for alternative options, but it is still the wrong move.Even still, Teddy holds more love for a 'lower lifeform' like the bees than the aliens do for the bees or for humans. Just like the absence of humanity and the Andromedans was a good thing for the bees, it may have been a good thing for us if the Andromedans have left. The only thing they never tried was allow us to continue ungoverned by them.
>>217809238>loyalist you talk a lot of shit but nothing substantial comes out. imagine thinking any talking head would do anything actually different other than doing the biddings for them. you are just a useful retard. and a faggot who uses chapgpt for shitposting.
>>217809299>you talk a lot of shit but nothing substantial comes out.Because I'm not intelligent. What do you want me to say? I don't know how to fix these problems? I make minimum wage and have no girlfriend. I'm not exactly in a position to save the world. >imagine thinking any talking head would do anything actually different other than doing the biddings for themI don't have an argument for this, but I'd prefer not to have an accelerationist in office.>you are just a useful retard.take out the word useful and you're halfway there>and a faggot who uses ChatGPTYou know ChatGPT doesn't curse, right?
>make movie themes incredibly inconsistent and nonsensical>people argue about what the movie is actually about>this means the movie is deep
>>217809334It's not so much that the themes are incredibly inconsistent and nonsensical. It's rather that they're deliberately left a bit more vague or subtle, because filmmakers typically don't want to spoonfeed you answers. For starters, they like people to have conversations about their movies in ways that could actually step outside the bounds of whatever it is that they were intending. They get off on that, I guess. It makes them feel like they've made something that actually expands the mind or is more interesting than it actually is, which is arguably pretentious, but such is the nature of creatives. The last thing a filmmaker wants to make is a movie like, say, Don't Look Up. Like pretty much all of Adam McKay's films, it feels like it's beating you over the head with a fucking lecture.
>>217809138>About which part?About the aliens being evil, duh.>Just because someone is in a position of authority doesn't mean you have to identify with them and scapegoat/justify their contemptible actions.You clear don't understand anthropology and the human condition.
>>217809049Take your meds and stop listening to alex jones.
>>217809142>This guy is like literally the fucking worst president we've ever fucking had.I'm old enough to remember Bush Jr.>He's eroding the basic foundation of our fucking democracyAnd you know how he's getting away with it? Bush, Obama, and Biden all paving the way for him by normalizing the tools to do it.Yes, Trump bad but it's a mistake to claim he's an aberration.And just watch, as soon as he's out of office he'll be getting poolside handy-j's from Michelle Obama at Martha's Vineyard.It's a big club!
>>217809445>And you know how he's getting away with it? Bush, Obama, and Biden all paving the way for him by normalizing the tools to do it.>Yes, Trump bad but it's a mistake to claim he's an aberration.I don't actually disagree with any of this. I do believe that many a president before Donald Trump has paved the way for him, as you put it. He didn't just happen overnight. You don't get this kind of person taking over the Oval Office if you don't have somebody like a Bush Jr. preceding him or someone like a Bill Clinton getting a blowie in the fucking Oval Office from a fucking intern, or Ronald Reagan doing half the fucking things he did, and so on and so forth. Watergate, the bank bailouts, you get the drift.
>>217809411>About the aliens being evil, duhWhy would you take the aliens words at face value when it is proven that she was lying from the start? Anything she says is flavored in deception and alien bias.
>>217809411>About the aliens being evil, duh.You mean the aliens that speciocided humans because they couldn't turn them into slave clones, they weren't evil at all?>You clear don't understand anthropology and the human condition.You clearly don't understand the concept of evil if you give a free past to homicidal slavers.
>>217809142>This guy is like literally the fucking worst president we've ever fucking had.Not even close.I don't have a side in this because I'm not American, I just studied north american history
>>217809439It is funny you would associate the sentiment with the right wing. The line of thinking is historically associated with the left. I state that Teddy's actions are understandable, but wrong, so I don't know why your panties are in a twist. Are you upset that people are relating to the downtrodden instead of with the CEO woke capitalist that can't talk like a non-sociopath and is performing what is very very literally eugenic experiments to "save humanity"?
>>217809676>Not even close.I am sure that is why you couldn't even name a worse one let alone justify why, you could have at least mentioned the retard who gave himself pneumonia doing an unnecessarily long inauguration speech, but you would be wrong since he didn't actually cause significant harm to the country or its reputation, he just embarrassed himself personally for all of time.
>>217809722You need to fuck off back to your containment board.
>>217809733Open a book nigga
>>217809780It isn't /pol/ to think our elites don't have our best interests at heart. Stop projecting your fantasies onto me.
>>217809532>it is proven that she was lying from the startThe chud was also lying when he tried to pretend it wasn't going to end in torture and dissection.She lied to protect the good she was doing, he lied to hide the evil he was planning.And after all that she was still going to take him on the spaceship.
>>217809807I do, its why I could actually directly reference a terrible US president and you can only seem to imply implications and namecall without actually being able to present a single shred of factual information backed up by a literary source.
>>217809837NTA, but>The chud was also lying when he tried to pretend it wasn't going to end in torture and dissection.In this case, he wasn't, as he just wanted passage to the ship. Although he probably lied to his past captives.>She lied to protect the good she was doing, he lied to hide the evil he was planning.Get some fucking media literacy man. I have to think you are baiting at this point. Teddy, as egocentric, cruel, and foolish as he was, was entirely sincere in believing he was saving humanity from slavers. Meanwhile, she is destroying the community, telling herself it is for the 'greater good' while saying shit like 'I'm a winner and you're a loser', while later blaming humanity for her own selfishness despite she herself having unique access to incredible technology and resources beyond all of our wildest dreams. The aliens aren't good guys. They are just like Teddy, except they have greater access to power. If you weren't concerned about owning the chuds, you could see that.
>>217809837>The chud was also lying when he tried to pretend it wasn't going to end in torture and dissection.Okay and? This only suggests that he is an emotional and unsound human being, which we already knew. The amount of faith we can put into what he says has no bearing on the validity of what she says, which is still called into question when it is proven that she is a liar. You can argue that he may be wrong about them being evil, but that possibility is only just a possibility, and we can't take just her word to verify it when there also exists the possibility that he is right and they are evil scumbags (since he was right about them being aliens which she repeatedly denied)
>>217809933>Although he probably lied to his past captives.Is there any proof he even took them alive when they seemed pretty nervous and unsure during the kidnapping like they had not done that before or was that just a reaction to the scale of it being at a mansion kidnapping someone with actual power?
>>217810028It was the first one with Don, and I think it being a kidnapping of a high profile individual at a mansion was also a factor. His statement about them all 'eventually confessing', before torturing Michelle tells me he did in fact torture at least most of the others. Although, he may not have promised the previous captives freedom, and simply tortured them for information before killing and dissecting them. When Teddy is justifying it to Don, at least in the original script, he says that even if Michelle wasn't an alien, she was someone who inflicted misery on a lot of people and was killing the bees, which may indicate he only tortured and dissected people that were harming the Earth/Humanity.
