Now that he mentions it, what the fuck point does Elrond even have?>tries to make a leadership character>makes him all evil by lying to his daughter and preventing her from loving AragornWas Tolkien stupid?
He was memberberries from The Hobbit. Remember Elrond? Remember Rivendell?
>>217814599He didn't do any of those things in the book.
>>217814599he has one of the elf rings and he protects the north against huge invasions of orcs.you dont see any of that because we would have needed another 3 hours movie.
>>217814599He was always a bad casting. Seeing him play Agent Smith and Elrond practically simultaneously was very weird and elves aren't supposed to be balding and middle-aged.
>>217814951 Maybe the films wanted to make him more distinct since he half elven, but that makes his dislike of men even weirder.
>>217814599Just hire Hugo Weaving instead. No one will notice a difference
>>217815002>that makes his dislike of men even weirder.It's the opposite - just look at the white nationalist movement
>>217814951thats a filmaking problemelves are supposed to look extremely young and behave like grampasbut any 18 years old actor couldnt pull a character like that.see frieren,thats what an elf should look like but you would sacrifice the quality of the acting if you cast a teen for such role in LOTR.
>>217815053Thus guy could pull it off
>>217815042Based half-elven race realists
>>217814599my only question is why didn't elrond dropkick isildur into the lava? he was right there.could have ended the ring drama sooner
>>217814599To *hits pipe* Arwen to Aragorn
>>217815130Eternal youth doesn't mean looking like a 16 year old you creep
>>217815684there would be a war between men and elves and in that time both sides were much more powerful so it would be a mess.
>>217814599What's there to understand?He wants to fuck off Middle Earth to the magic Elven land before ME falls to the hordes of orcs, all because of Isildur's bane which explains his distrust of men, and he wants to protect his daughter.7-years-old me understood this shit, how could he not?
>>217815053>>217814951Tolkien Elves don't look like 18 year old kids forever, it's more ambiguous than that. They sometimes look ageless rather than teenage.Some elves have the appearance of the dignity of middle age. So I think they did fine in casting.
>>217814599>they once were menexcept you fags
>>217814627Elrond and Rivendell are both in the Hobbit book
>>217815002>but that makes his dislike of men even weirder.What? He and his brother were given the option to which race they would belong, he picked Elves and his brother picked Human. And then fast forwards and his great-whatever nephew is the whole reason Sauron isn't dead. Of course he dislikes humans, from his perspective he made the right call when he decided he didn't want shit to do with the.
>>217814599He never understood his character? You're the leader of the elves and say you say portentous shit, what is there to understand?
>>217814599Arwen is basically committing suicide by staying with Aragorn.Elrond is trying to save her from that.
>>217817425Who cares about novelizations
>>217818296the other choice is going to be an slave of the gods again with nothing to do except waiting for the end of days.
>>217815002As far as Tolkien was concerned there was no physical difference between men and elves, they were both of the same race.The difference was spiritual and tied to their fates.source: some fucking letter
>>217814627this, he's a cameo. also sets up Aragorns whole backstory
>>217814866>you dont see any of that because we would have needed another 3 hours movie.Good idea.
>>217815130>post a 17 year old >pretend he's actually 38 I don't get how people can fall for such an obvious bullshit.
>>217814627funny think is he already kinda was memberberries in the hobbit itself refrencing Tolkien lore that nobody back then even knew. He literally gets intreduced with "He is famous and played an important role in many other tales"
>>217819307i wish we saw more of the elves and dwarfes in the lord of the rings movie and entire southern gondor army that got cut by hackson as well
>>217819086>As far as Tolkien was concerned there was no physical differencethen why can legolas walk on snow without sinking in?
>>217814951it was okay because when i was a kid i could not tell he was balding
>>217818132Yeah what's up with this >Play disapproving father figure >Said character saw men massively fuck up the best chance for destroying evil >Your character now doesn't trust men as saviors of middle earth and especially doesn't like the idea of his daughter marrying one>He eventually relents once the hour grows too darkPretty straight forward stuff, Mr Weaving
>>217814951He's bad casting because he's not particularly good looking without a beard covering half his face, and Elrond is supposed to be ageless and beautiful. I pardon it just because he's at least a decent actor, and I'd prefer a good actor who doesn't look the role to a terrible actor that they chose for appearance.>>217815130I think we found our next Elrond
>>217815053>elves are supposed to look extremely young>>217817365>They sometimes look ageless rather than teenage.Both of you are wrong. Elves DO age when outside Valinor, but very, VERY slowly. Cirdan was the only one who was visibly OLD as an Elf, to the point he grew a beard, but he was something like 7,000 years old by the time LOTR occurs.
>>217814599>He was memberberries from The Hobbit. Remember Elrond? Remember Rivendell?You mean how they actually fleshed out his character and explained what his and Aragorn's relationship was and what it meant to have received Anduril? Oh wait, it was probably never translated to your 3rd world country. Fucking retard
>>217814599wtf was tolkien smoking when he wrote the lord of the rings colon the hunt for gollum
>>217820134>calls other people retard after bungling up the quoting terribly
>>217814951He resembles like the cartoon one a bit. I agree that it was jarring seeing him as Smith first
>>217819578Unironically because they spent time with the Valar (demigods) and learned things from them. The Valar don't really interact with men once they're eventually created, and meanwhile the elves have been refining their skills for thousands of years by that point. The movie just makes it seem super gay and flamboyant, because how else do you make basic human shit look easy to S+ master level people.
>>217815130He was born to play an ageless elf prince!
>>217815130Stop posting this child. It's fucking creepy
>>217820175He resembles the cartoon one*
>>217815130how does he skip? HOW DOES HE BLOODY SKIP BENCHOD HE IS OLD MAN HOW?
>>217819578My sensei used to teach me how to do that. If you clench your anal sphincter tight enough you can do that and eventually walk on water. I tried and tried and tried but his fingers were always too strong for me. Eventually the dojo got shut down and I quit practicing.
>>217814951>He was always a bad castingIt wasnt>Seeing him play Agent Smith and Elrond practically simultaneously was very weird It wasn't, you're just low IQ. Elrond was one of the best castings in the film.
>>217818132>You're the leader of the elves and say you say portentous shit, what is there to understand?Probably hes wondering why anyone would call that a character
>>217819578Secret Tai Chi passed down through the line of Oropher since the elder days.
>>217820809>It wasn't, you're just low IQ. Elrond was one of the best castings in the film.Agreed. However I can't think of a single miscast in the whole trilogy. Maybe Weaving's 9/10 casting pales a bit when everything else is 10/10 ? Maybe the fat elve was the worst cast ?
Sure he didn't manage to play the part as well as it should have been, but good luck finding an actor that looks young enough to be an elf, but also have the acting skills to portray the character being as wise as Elrond is supposed to be
>>217814599>lying to his daughter and preventing her from loving AragornHis monologue in the movie is taken almost directly from the description of the death of Arwen. What he says is indeed what happens to her. Aragorn dies and her will to live ebbs in her grief under the fading trees, until she lies down in the woods of Cerin Amroth and dies
>>217819086>As far as Tolkien was concerned there was no physical difference between men and elvesWhy has nobody called out how utter bullshit this statement is yet? It's stated and described countless times about the physical differences between men and elves across his books. Not only is his "source" just "dude trust me" but anyone who has read any of Tolkien's works should know this is just wrong
>>217821168Elrond is not supposed to look that young anyway.
>>217815130
>>217821411>It's stated and described countless times about the physical differences between men and elves across his booksName one difference
>>217821411My dear boy. Why don't you just try reading instead of farting out incensed fanfiction?>"I suppose that actually the chief difficulties I have involved myself in are scientific and biological — which worry me just as much as the theological and metaphysical (though you do not seem to mind them so much). Elves and Men are evidently in biological terms one race, or they could not breed and produce fertile offspring – even as a rare event : there are 2 cases only in my legends of such unions, and they are merged in the descendants of Eärendil. But since some have held that the rate of longevity is a biological characteristic, within limits of variation, you could not have Elves in a sense 'immortal' – not eternal, but not dying by 'old age' — and Men mortal, more or less as they now seem to be in the Primary World – and yet sufficiently akin. I might answer that this 'biology' is only a theory, that modern 'gerontology', or whatever they call it, finds 'ageing' rather more mysterious, and less clearly inevitable in bodies of human structure. But I should actually answer: I do not care. This is a biological dictum in my imaginary world. It is only (as yet) an incompletely imagined world, a rudimentary 'secondary'; but if it pleased the Creator to give it (in a corrected form) Reality on any plane, then you would just have to enter it and begin studying its different biology, that is all.">letter 153
>>217821150Arwen lmao
>>217821486>has the experience from his age>has the looks>has the physical capacities to do all the silly stunts Jackson demandsPerfect cast
>>217814599>he never understood his character that's perfect because elrond was a clueless fag
>>217821634nah, prime tyler was a solid pick. I still can't believe how good saruman and grima were. 11/10
>>217821493Always described as being much more beautiful, much stronger physically (even if the first generations of men were much stronger also they were described as generally being less than Elves, outliers such as Hurin being notable for being on the same level as Elves sepcifically because it was unusal.Also as some Anon noted, Legolas being able to walk on snow is because of Elves being dexribed as being more lightfooted because of their physicality.Becoming wiser much earlier, 1 year old Elves said to be able to read and study. Men being mocked by Elves for being mentally young compared to Elves despite being an adult man>>217821595Yeah, that basically just states that they are essentially different twists of the same mold, that doesn't mean they are not physically different.I can see the point of their differences being caused by their different fates and the plans Eru had for them, but that doesn't prevent the end result of them being different physically
>>217814599Elrond? More like Tom Bombadil lmao.
>>217821595Humans and neanderthals mated and had offspring despite being physically different, all he's saying is that they are biologically linked, but obviously different
>>217821696Elrond just couldn't handle the banter
>>217821808>>217821864>Elves and Men are evidently in biological terms one raceFeel free to post your stuttered attempts at explaining why you know more about his creation than Tolkien to your a03 account instead of subjecting me to them.
>>217822065>>217822065I didn't state that, you stated that and i am just conceding that point since it seems to be what Tolkien said in the letter you just posted. My point was always just about them clearly being physically different and how ridiculous it is to say that, and nothing about that letter changes that fact
>>217814599I need more context to care about this, were they trying to hamfist him into this like they did with the hobbit or just being a cunt
>>217818296>committing suicideDeath is a gift to Men, not a curse. Elrond, though relatively young, was counted among the wisest of elves. He'd know that much.
>>217814599he didn't want his daughter marrying some mutt, he said Aragorn had to claim his right as king of men to be worthy of marrying Arwen. based tbqhwyf
>>217815130way too young. he'll grow up and change too much during the production.
>>217815130Love this lad
>>217815004True. He does look a lot like Hugo Weaving
>>217815002The most rabid anti-whites are half white negroes
Why didn't they simply fly the eagles to Mordor, capture Sauron, and bring him back Rivendell to face trial in the elven court system?
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