No jobs for dogs or Dornish edition>>217957642>>217957642>>217957642
Sex with Gwin Ashford.
sex with mother
Dorne chapters are all brutal. Cat is a dumb bitch but a lot of A+ background info gets dropped in her POV’s.
Give me Bolton wife or I take my life
YUNKAI WHORE
wish i had me some fossoway cider right about now
>>217961564
sex with valarr and dunk
I have taken a mental habit of dividing Targ history in early, middle and late periods after the practice of real historian of dividing big periods or dynasties or regimes in similar terms (the middle roman republic, the early middle ages, the late Ming, etc...)it goes something like this:early Targaryen period ; from the Conquest to the death of Maegor (or to the midpoint of Jaehaery's reign)the golden age or the early middle Targ period; the reign of Jaehaerys (or its later part) and Viserys to the Dance of Dragonsthe middle Targ period; from the Regency of Aegon III to Daeron Ithe late Targaryen period; from the time of Egg and Dunk to Robert's rebellion (or Daenerys's adventures in Essos)when you use this paradigm, you can actually see how House Targaryen went from its rough beginnings and consolidation through troubles to triumph and the golden period withe Dance as and intermediate crisis and then its uncertain middle period full of glory but also plots and finally the family facing increasing difficulties with the Blackfyres, the failed reforms of Egg and Summerhall and finally Robert coming in close succession
You're transmigrated into the body of Theon Greyjoy a couple of days before Bobby B visits Winterfell to make Ned his hands what do?
Missionary for the sole purpose of reproduction with Rhaena Targaryen
>>217961609>finally the family facing increasing difficulties with the Blackfyres, the failed reforms of Egg and Summerhall and finally Robert coming in close successionthere had been revolts just after the Conqueror's death but they all failed because the Targs had dragons; after the Dance, the lords didn't immediately realized that the power balance had changed without dragons because at that point they had gotten used to the Targs as rulers and they just shrugged at the antics and the misrule of Daeron I, Baelor and Aegon IV ; but by the time of Daeron II their discontent at some Targ policies had grown important enough that half of them went with the Blackfyresbut I think it's really Egg's rule who convinced a large part of the nobility that the Targaryens had to go, the whole southron ambitions business almost certainly started in secret during his reign they hated his reforms so much that i think even a lot of the lords who supported the Targs during the BF rebellion wanted him gone, when he tried to get dragons back they must have really panicked at the prospect that he would succeed and that they would be powerless at stopping his agenda, I bet they were all relieved after Summerhall and afraid other Targs would try it againAerys's madness was just the last drop and a useful justification, in truth the days of the Targaryens were numbered since the time of Egg
>>217961622Missionary sex with Ros for the purpose of bastard-making. Then invent some pretext to bring witnesses up to the place where Jaime and Cersei are fucking, catch them in the act. Skillfully leverage my knowledge of Robert being a cuckold to advance my position, perhaps gain some lands or gold in exchange for my silence. Then build a harem with said lands or gold from the most comely peasant girls
>>217961553stupid sexy giraffewoman
>>217961666This but skip all that politics shit and just have sex with Ros again.
miss these niggas
>>217961690Remember when Aemon chides his brother for not wanting to marry his sister and saying he would be happy to do his duty?
>>217961707good times
Passionate sex with father
>Lyanna eloping with Rhaegar, who was married, triggers a colossal war resulting in the deaths of tens of thousandsShe really should get called out more for being a piece of shit
>>217961741why's his hair not whiteit bothers me as much as cersei's eyebrows
>>217961622Just be loyal to the Starks Like crazy loyal
>>217961750retard
>>217961732we already discussed this to death in the last threadit's plausible and it would fit GRRM's general scheme of subversion and tragic irony on multiple levels but we can never be sure because there isn't enough hints and proofs
>>217961690I miss the actress for young Alicent. I don't know if the she just had better stuff to work with than Cooke, but I just remember her being better in the role. I would have to rego over clips to see but, I suspect all the earlier cast probably comes across as better. Though again, maybe that is just the writing and general production of the earlier episodes of S1.
>>217961750speedthinker
>>217961707Why are targs like this
>>217961770It doesn't make sense considering Daena wanted Baelor to knock her up and even tried to publicly shame him into having sex with her on numerous occasions. Her refusing to name Daemon's father doesn't fit with the father being her lawful wedded husband whom she repeatedly tried to have a child with.
>>217961741Newfag hereThought this guy was Baelor the Blessed lawl
>>217961625Which one? Aegon III's?
>>217961795I know, this argument has been raised on the last thread as well but there are at the same time enough arguments for this theory that I feel many anons will still cling to it
>>217961797He’s Baelor the Bashed(-in skull).
>>217961745Starks and Tullys were genuinely retarded pieces of shit who caused more death and misery in the past 150 years just because they were self righteous and thought their feefees were more important than the status quo.I hope GRRM shits on them and doesn't give them a good ending.
>>217961745If I had the chance to bang someone who looked like Aisling Franciosi, I’d risk my inheritance too.
>>217961750Because he is not that old.
>>217961866Rhaegar was the crown prince, he could bang women who looked ten times better than that and it wouldn't have been a huge scandal so long as he didn't try to make them queen and disinherit his existing children
>>217961835The status quo sucks
YOUH MUH QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
>>217961770>>217961795i just post shit, maybe someone wants to bring up the topic again or in case somebody misses it or has something to add, it's all just to kill time till sunday anyways, his parentage doesn't change much as is whether you believe the theory or not
>>217961826YepBut would a cute shy commoner really be allowed such a thing?
>>217961622Stick with the Starks. Kill Roose at the earliest opportunity. Fuck Talisa/Jeyne before Rob can come within a mile of them while arranging a picnic between him and the Frey qt. Explain the fucking bridge plan to Edmure.
>>217961795two possibilities :one; by now Baelor's well established reputation of purity and incorruptibility had became his public face even after his death and Daena had a change of heart, no longer wanting to besmirch her brother-husband's memory; this is admittedly unlikely given Daena's personalitytwo; Baelor already weakened by his fasts, engaged in another just after the birth which would kill him a few days later, knowing he would not live long and that without him she would be without allies, Daena feared that either Viserys I or Aegon IV would kill a son of Baelor as a threat to their own claim; thus she refused to disclose his father and even convinced Aegon IV he was his son
>>217961933or maybe she feared Baelor would deny his sin and everybody would believe the holy king over her, thus she didn't see it useful to say anything
>>217961622Kill Theon & Bran for being fucking retardsElope with Arya
>>217961622Expose the incest when they are in tower (assuming somehow your presence as Theon acting differently does not butterfly it) is the simple answer, but I have no plausible explanation how you do so in Theon's position. If you cannot do that then it is decided about whether to join Balon amd handle things differently there, say to Robb of he proposes you going to Pyke that your father will not support him, or even preempt Greatjon declaring Robb by managing to convince him to support Stannis. You are just in such a limited position in terms of your status and time as to be hindered on all the obvious options. Given I have no loyalty to Robb as I am not actually Theon, I would be tempted to just try to gather enough coin and fuck off to Essos or perhaps the Summer Islands.
>>217961933>Daena feared that either Viserys I or Aegon IV would kill a son of Baelor as a threat to their own claim; thus she refused to disclose his father and even convinced Aegon IV he was his sonsounds plausible given that most people believe viserys II was poisoned by fatgon
>>217961975this is indeed the most plausible but it rely on not a few ifs (but not as much as the other possibility there >>217961933)
>>217961975>sounds plausible given that most people believe viserys II was poisoned by fatgonand the rumors that Viserys II poisoned Baelor
you know given how Targs are with all the pisoning of relatives it makes the blackfyretards look almost admirable, maybe it was time to give the reigns to a warrior king, at least it's more respectable than hot potatoe with posions
YOU THINK IT'S DUBS KEEPING THE GENERAL ALIVE!IT'S RITUALPOSTING! RITUALPOSTING AND CIDERBROS!
>>217961622>Put an Assassin's Creed hay just under where Bran was supposed to drop>When i saw Brand climbing the tower immediately rush to get Ned/Cat or Bobby saying i saw Bran fell from the tower they need to come FUCKING NOWThats it really. After that i'll might convince Bobby and Ned to put me in chage of island shitshole and i'll invest in shipping and trade.And also send more assassins after Dany.
What an awful thread spending time talking about the actively shitty show when we have an ongoing good one.
>>217961933>>217961795>>217961770You people need to remember that Baelor legally annulled his marriage after he came to power. It did not make any sense for Daena to have a son with him anymore, as kid would still be a bastard.
The task will be Waxing but I Believe we shall pull through my Ripe friends, we shall Swarm this dragon and plant the Seeds of victory upon his corpse, we will not suffer further Stagnation of this country, the road maybe Hard but we will face the coming Storm with smiles and Laughs, our Spears will not Break, we will Rise, stand firm and Tall
>>217962067that just supports the idea of her trying to sell the baby off as aegon's
>>217962067hey the pussy wants what the pussy wants. Daena definitely gives nympho vibes and why not, theres no GRRM-acknowledged Targ nymphos afaik (I mean the very second Daena escaped the tower she got knocked up with the Unworthy of all people).
https://youtu.be/NCQii6FLH28?si=UBeLBdniyyJ9Vvu8best version thus far. sampled from the original theme, and isolated track of the episode.
>>217962141Why? The kid would still be a bastard and have no rights to the throne.>>217962156For sure, but no reason to have it with a brother she hates and despises. There's a lot of horny guys around she could have fun with instead.
>>217962230>Why? The kid would still be a bastard and have no rights to the throne.maybe she was hoping Aegon would legitimize him
>Bail from your ward position to ???Bruh you would die as Theon. Just serve loyally and reap the rewards from House Stark until you die in the Red Wedding
>>217962249You mean, hiding that the kid is Baelor's until Fatgon legitimizes him? That would not make any sense tho. You can't legitimize a son and then suddently mom says "Actually, the father is someone else. But the kid is legit now!"
>>217962249lol like that would happen
So when's the episode coming out?
>>217962302>hiding that the kid is Baelor's until Fatgon legitimizes him?what's with the until part? If Daemon was Baelor's bastard then it would be smarter to make Aegon think Daemon is his bastard in the hop that he legitimizes him
>>217962332sunday baby
>>217962355>still 2 fucking days left
I was not here last thread. Daemon is not Baelor’s son, there is literally no evidence to point to it, it contradicts every action Baelor took up until that point, there would be no thematic reason for it or to even mention it, and Daena would absolutely protest and push for her son to succeed Baelor. It also makes no sense that Aegon would advance Daemon knowing he isn’t his son. This is just more retarded Blackfyre headcanon. You’ve literally disowned the actual father of Daemon to make your own fanfiction.Incidentally, Daeron is not Aemon’s son. Naerys is accused of adultery by someone at court (not with Aemon) and said courtier is killed in a trial by combat by Aemon. Aemon then dies defending Aegon from an assassination attempt. Naerys, a frail and pious woman, dies giving in labour a year later. Only THEN does Aegon start whispering that Daeron is not his son. Because he’s an extremely jealous and bitter man. Daeron being Naerys and Aemon’s son flies in the face of everything we know about their personalities.
>>217962335Then why did she wait for so long? She literally waited around ten years to say who the father was. Aegon was already in power for many years.
Who cares which targshit dripped down the flaccid cock of this targshit or got shat out of which barren incestuous alien cunt of that targshitAll targshits deserve the same fatepicrel
>>217962402>there would be no thematic reason for itnot that i believe it but an anon and another put together an interesting take if it was the case>baelor is daemon's fatherthis would be truly ironic because nobody would expect that given Baelor's father, both in westeros and irlthis would be in keeping with GRRM's subversion if Baelor instead of getting raped by Daena (unlikely) actually gave in his pulsions and lusts just for one time in his whole holy life, that would better explain the penitential fastsame with Aemon with his reputation as perfect knight who follows his vows but ends up sleeping with the queenthat actually makes the whole Blackfyre storyline even more ironic and tragic , they're actually coming from an even more senior bloodline than that of the UnworthyIt's possible that members of the family may have been aware of their secret descent from Baelor (and maybe a few select members of their supporters as well) which causes them to think of themselves as the most worthy heirs to the thronemaybe when Griff will have his real parentage revealed, GRRM will reveal Baelor's fault as wellthe idea that Daeron and Daemon are both bastards and neither one is the son of the king adds another level of tragic irony
>>217962402Also had a hard time believing that, I mean when Daena is humping Baelor is he just praying to the 7 gods not to cum?
So if Rhaegar didn't try to go full prophecy baby mode would he just have made his father abdicate
all this talk about Daemopn Blackfyre, who cares, even if he would've been a good king his sons were gay, retarded, weak, or mutant, not much better than Daeron's line at all (minus Baelor)
>>217962458>maybe when Griff will have his real parentage revealed, GRRM will reveal Baelor's fault as wellJust make an AO3 account and start posting.
>>217962495Once he put down Robert he was going to call a great council to discuss reforms and rally support for a palace coup.
>>217962402> it contradicts every action Baelor took up until that point>Daeron being Naerys and Aemon’s son flies in the face of everything we know about their personalities.that's the point, it fits GRRM to deconstruct virtuous charactersBaelor literally fasted himself to death after Daemon's birth and some think this may be because of his personal guilt over the matterthe whole tragic irony works on several levels so it fits a general pattern : Blackfyres are actually senior over fatgon's line, fatgon wrongly believed his true son someone who wasn't, ser Eustace despised Baelor and supported his secret son against a prince named after Baelor...the whole theory is extremely poetic but admittedly rests on shaky groundthe one thing that doesn't stick is Daena's refusal to reveal the father which doesn't appear to make sense if Baelor was really the father; if fatgon was really his father incidentally she didn't reveal either for 12 years after he had become king...
>>217962495>>217962537No, Rhaegar intended to die at the Trident because he believed Jon was a prophecy baby. Absolutely none of his actions make sense otherwise.
>>217962537Well Robert wouldn't have rebelled if Lyanna wasn't taken surely
If you can make babies with giants, does that mean that you can make babies with the tree people?
>>217962495Aerys the Mad will just step down? Un-fking-likely, he'll probably order the pyromancers to burn KL than step down.Also I'm trying to remember, during the rebellion, not only Jaime stabbed Aerys in the back but also cut his throat because to the like of 'Aerys might become a dragon' which is interesting 'cause of the Summerhall theory that his grandsire, Egg the Unlikely, himself might have transformed into a dragon.
>>217962616no I tried
Would Robert have killed Elia and the Targ children if he made it to KL and Aerys was dead etc?
why is everyone shilling Baelor the volcel nowlast week and the week afore it was maegor the cuck
>>217962551It does not give Blackfyre cause any more highground, only less so. Because Deana and Baelor were not married at the point when Daemon was conceived, so he would be a bastard anyway. So it lessens it actually, because he would not be Fatgon heir anymore, not even if he was legitimized. It would be like Robert acknowledging Joffrey as his heir in his deathbed in GoT, when he does not know about the incest. It does not give Joffrey's cause any tragic irony or something.It's unlawful.
>>217962551Daemon contending with being a bastard his entire life despite being viewed as possessing every kingly virtue imaginable is more “poetic” than being Baelor’s secret son. Whatever ironic contradictions could manifest from that could never manifest thematically. You only want it to be the case because it gives Daemon a better claim to the throne.
>>217962646>So it lessens it actually, because he would not be Fatgon heir anymorebut he would come from an even more senior line with an arguably better claim to the throne than that of fatgon
So who's Cavill going to be?
>>217962641shame on you for pitting two baddies against one another
there's should be a knight with 7 fingers who's mad religiousis there one?grrm should invent one if there isn't
>>217962402>I was not here last thread. Daemon is not Baelor’s sonExactly, you weren't here, therefore you don't know that we figured this shit out.Listen more, talk less.
>>217962690if it turns out to be BS we can also assume his 'slip' re: Duncan surviving Summerhall can also be dismissed.
>>217962690Aerys the Mad
>>217962678Literally how? He would still be a bastard. Even if he was legimitized, it would be done by Fatgon... so they would have to acknowledge that Fatgon (and by extension, his line) was true king, so that his decree would be lawful. If that happened, Daemon would have no more claim than Elaena's trueborn children.Do you get it? To legitimize Daemon you have to acknowledge that Aegon's line is true, and his children will be next in line, not Daemon. (if he really is Baelor bastard). So he has worse claim this way.
>>217962402>Naerys is accused of adultery by someone at court (not with Aemon)according to the wiki, it was explicitly with Aemon she was accused to have cheated before the death of either
>>217962551I feel like the whole point of Daemon is that he is the perfect son, perfect warrior, perfect prince, but born a bastard. I know being Baelors son would still make him a bastard but I feel like it’s adding too much
>>217962715You didn’t figure anything out. You haven’t even read the books.
>>217962646If Daeron really is a bastard of a kings guard Daemon would have more of a claim than him even if he was Baelors bastard
why is criston such a chimping retard
>>217962402Based speedthinker
According to GRRM Aegon the Unworthy truly does believe Daeron isn’t his. Do with that what you will
>>217962792friendzoned HARD by his oneitis
>>217962775No, that would mean Daenerys and her Martell kids would have more claim. One of them would probably take Targaryen name. If i remember correctly, Daenerys birth was never disputed.
Shouldn't the Coldhands fans be the ones spamming these threads due to the latest revelations?
>>217962830No, everyone here is a wikifag
>>217962633I don't see it, no. I think his response to seeing their corpses arose out of his general anger towards their house and the emotions of the moment but I can't see him looking at little scared children and ordering them killed. I think he'd probably go to Storm's End and become more or less what he is by the time of the first book, possibly while still marrying Cersei but with Jamie now stuck in KL. Jon Arryn serves as regent until Aegon VI reaches his majority. There would probably be a much stronger Dornish presence at court too.
>>217962750I know this adds yet another layer of complexity to the Blackfyre storyline but thematically it has such interesting aspects (fatgon recognizing as heir the one bastard that is not his; baelor not living up to his reputation and to his values; etc) that I feel that support for the theory likely stay for the futureI recognize that the theory has weaknesses, mainly Daena's behaviour; if we ever find out how to figure that one, maybe it will be more credible
honestly I think the Blacks are trash and most of their characters, scenes and arcs have been utter garbage, especially niggaryons, but I enjoyed Jace
>>217962802it's not just a rumor he spreads out of spite, he really believe it in his heart which doesn't mean it has to be true but still
>>217962802Source?
Was there ever a moment when a successful peasant rebellion could have kicked off?
>>217962830People here have more sense than believing a kid 'accidentally spoiling' something when its just either a marketing ploy or to make the series get MORE traction in social media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hps1tknz798This show reminds me of LOTR somehow, and not just because it's set in medieval times. Maybe it's the themes of friendship and being content with a simpler life.
I offer you a peach, /got/.
>>217962974Dunc is humble like Sam
>>217962830I’m pretty sure Martin was just shooting the shit with the kid
>>217961762No cuz then you’ll get butchered at the red wedding
only anon could vex me with a fruit..
>>217963034Oh well what can you do
>>217962974>>217963027And Frodo is a rich little shit who has a ring he conceals and constantly needs Sam.Wait he reminds me of someone...
gods hotd2 is boring
>>217961622Catch Bran when Jamie pushes him out of the tower is one step.I wonder if you could arrange it so someone in Robert's party that he trusts, or even Robert sees that, so you could immediately get people to search that tower.If you just save Bran, and go with Bran to tell Robert+Ned, then it might be too late and you it'll be word against word.
>>217961622Do everything as Theon did but after capturing Winterfell leave taking Bran and Rickon hostages, Kyra as salt wife and steal everything before returning to Iron Islands.>everything? including fingering AshaYes.
>If Bloodraven didn't use blood magic and vile tactics to win>"King Daemon Blackfyre III, satellite images show a rather large army of the undead and white walkers approaching the Wall. All castles on the Wall are fully garrisoned. Lord Commander Eddard Stark seems to think his forces plus his brother's northern army should be more than enough to handle this threat. But it doesn't seem to be wise to allow them to go at it alone. Should we send 10k soldiers and say 10 or so of our best dragonriders to this battle, your Grace?">"No doubt that vile, monstrous Bloodraven had something to do with this. Grandsire, should've taken his treacherous head instead of sending him to the Wall....Yes we will aid the North in this battle. Let's try launching some Dragonglass tomahawk missiles at the undead 1st before we risk any lives, Lord Hand Osgrey.">"Wise choice, your Grace. It will be done.">Bloodraven uses blood magic and vile kinslaying to achieve """victory""">A Targaryen King or Queen sitting the throne ".................
So err why does Renly claim himself to be king and not join with Stannis' againIt's literally Stannis'
>>217961622Same as him.No notes.#Reekmaxxing.
>>217963182Renly had way more backing than Stannis. The entire Stormlands + Reach. Nobody liked Stannis.
>>217963182He was spoiled and wanted to be king.
post the Ashford Loli
>>217963176man I can't stand that lil nibba like you wouldn't believe
>>217961666>>217961686
>>217962497John the Fiddler was cute though.
So did Ned swear Howland Reed to secrecy as well? How has he not spilled the beans about Jon/Aegon. Is Howland another muh honor northerner?
>>217963269Yes, you wouldnt get it.
>>217962792Because he break his vows (pretty quickly too and without much coaxing) and HotD mindset says any institution that curbs easy sex is bad and will drive you mad or something. Then Alicent basically spares his life and at that point Alicent is the paragon of virtue by westerosi norms so he becomes her devoted loveslave and becomes committed to the Green cause (probably rightly deducing that Rhaeyneras ascension will mean death for Alicents children sooner or later). For most of the period of the timeskip I think he follows alicent around the way other people might have looked to a Septon when morally confused. Then he alienates her in Season 2 even though they start fucking at that point….i think thats sort of her fall from grace for him and makes him more angsty than ever or maybe its just really poorly written idk which.
>>217963176Targsisters, our response?!?
>>217963176>Lord Hand Osgrey
>>217963269Reed will probably reveal R+L=J in the books
>>217962497>His 2 first born sons were both murdered in the same dishonorable way his father was as childrenReminder that tree demon twigs typed this post
>>217963233>nah man I’m cool with my brothers
>>217963176Kek
....semoc eH
the young Griff is Blackfyre + Brightflame + descendant of Jaehaerys whore daughter's + Mopatis + Varys' nephew
>>217963444it’s called the brightfyre theory
>>217963444L + J = GB
>>217963444>>217963455CHEQUED
>>217961690
>>217963269If you're not White you wouldn't get it (Starks are extremely White coded house)
>>217963502just two bros. debating who would fuck their sister better.
>>217963520Aegon and Helaena’s wedding would have actually been a very weird and interesting thing to see I wish we could have gotten that instead of childbirth scene #3 or #4
>>217963520>>217963532do you think aegon and aemond ever double teamed their weird quirk chungus sister
>>217963444The ultimate anti targ targ shit
>>217963550
>fat bastard actually told a 7 yo secrets about his future storieswhy?
>>217963104It’s a very lesbianic experience. It’s unapologetically queer.
>>217963576>>fat bastard actually told a 7 yo secrets about his future stories>why?He gave dumb and dumber the entire ending to his magnum opusHe's that retarded
If I was Egg I would've demanded Rohanne Webber to give me children on the spot tbqh
>>217963609And it was a shit ending, and the world said so, and now he needs a new ending but doesn't know how to pull away from the shit ending he thought was oh so clever a tweest, so he'll never finish it. There's a lesson in this.
>>217961745Ned should realistically hate her guts if she stayed with Rhaegar willingly after she learned Rickard and Brandon were killed and that Aerys demanded Ned's death as well. Either GRRM is a hack or there's more to the story>>217961835>status quo of a prince running off with your daughter, burning lords and heirs alive, then demanding Ned and Robert's heads for no crime>status quo of being demanded to follow a "king" who is a bastard born of incesthow about the rest of the realm not be fucking degenerate retards? Starks dindu nuffin
>>217963693>Ned should realistically hate her guts if she stayed with Rhaegar willingly after she learned Rickard and Brandon were killed and that Aerys demanded Ned's death as well.Do we know for sure that he ever even knew she was with Rhaegar willingly? I thought the Starks believed he kidnapped and raped her.
OI GOT BLACK AAAIRS COMIN OUT ME STONES MILORD
>>217961622Keep my fucking mouth shut. Attempt to convince Robb that letting his mother go to King's Landing is a fucking stupid idea and to let me and some loyal Winterfell men go, along with any bannermen who join us for the journey. Prevent Cat from starting the fucking war. And just kind of hope that Bran and Rickon don't get killed by the Wildlings I guess.If that doesn't work, keep my fucking mouth shut until the time comes, then rapidly kidnap and keep Bran and Rickon and hopefully the direwolves to confirm who they are. And get the fuck out of Winterfell asap. After killing both Ramsay and Reek.Mostly because I don't think ill be able to talk Robb out of sending my to the Iron Islands.
>>217962537>call great council>he loses to Stannis because all of Aerys descendents get ruled out due to madness like aerion's didwould be pretty funny desu, basically every kingdom hated the Targs at this point. Dorne only supported them after Elia's life was threatened, the Reach sat around feasting
>>217962830all two of 'em
>>217963766>I thought the Starks believed he kidnapped and raped her.Yes, and Rhaegar crowned Lyanna the Queen of Love and Beauty at 14. Ran away with her at 15. That guy is just talking shit
How come Theon didn’t go to King’s Landing with Ned it seems like he’d have a lot more fun there and its a better place for him in every way
>>217961622Snipe Hodor from afar
>>217963853And make Theon a target for innumerable agents of Houses that hate Ironborn?
>>217962690bobby B smashing Rhaegar's chest in a vision of the future >>217962750>warrior>charismatic>good lookingperfect in the same way Robert was considered perfect before he got the crown>>217963269>swears a vow of silence to keep Jon safe>Ned sends him to the Wall at 14 years old, where even without the White Walkers he'd be highly likely to die within a few years as a ranger>do absolutely nothing as the Starks get rekt after this happenshave to wonder if Howland holds a grudge against Ned or something, dude let the Ironborn walk 50 miles through his swamp to take Moat Cailin and didn't do a thing to stop them
>>217963853Was this a mistake by George? Feel like he could've had some earlier character development rather than be background character but I suppose he was getting his footing with where he wanted Theon to goWhat other mistakes did he make
>>217963831While we're on this note, how did the Starks even know it was Rhaegar who "kidnapped" her? How did that even work?
>>217963766>Do we know for sure that he ever even knew she was with Rhaegar willinglythe fact he took such a small group of trusted people to the Tower of Joy implies he at least suspected it, otherwise he would have brought a few hundred men. Benjen probably knew and told him, there's a reason he chose to join the Watch so young despite there only being 2 other Starks alive>>217963853>take the ironborn hostage to a port city where balon could sneak people in to take him back or Theon could easily find a ship to get to Essos where a ton of Ironborn raiders hang out who could take him homegenius
>save the prophecy baby>send it to the nights watchOoft.
>>217963948I don’t think Theon was a flight risk if he wanted to escape he could have escaped winterfell he pretty much goes wherever he wants.
>>217963885I never said perfect king but yeah Daemon is just less capable Robert but mixed with a more capable Jon Snow but throw in a dash of Aegon I Targaryen
>>217963938>With the coming of the new year, the crown prince had taken to the road with half a dozen of his closest friends and confidants, on a journey that would ultimately lead him back to the riverlands. Not ten leagues from Harrenhal, Rhaegar fell upon Lyanna Stark of Winterfell, and carried her off, lighting a fire that would consume his house and kin and all those he loved—and half the realm besides.she's a noble lady, she's not traveling alone and the crown prince showed up with a squad of thugs to capture her and then road off down the King's Road. Not exactly subtle
Bros, what if in George's final version of the story he has the others/ww win
>>217963176>Lord Hand Osgrey>Master of coin Lord Peake>Ser Bracken, Lord commander of the kingsguard>Yronwood, prince of DorneVGH........
How fucking bad must that bloodmoon pilot have been lol
>>217963885Jon wanted to go to the Wall, Ned didn’t send him
>>217963978>he could have escaped Winterfell>1000 miles from the sea in any direction>snows regularly even during the summer>right next to a place called the Wolfswood because of the number of wolves in it, high chance of being eaten alive>Starks will be hunting you within a day at most>ravens to every vassal so they are also hunting youkek, there's probably not a harder place in Westeros for a hostage to escape>>217964049from what I read they turned it into an evil huwhite First Men genociding the dindu nuffin Children of the Forest and even woke HBO knew it was shit
>>217964112Nobody thinks Theon will escape thats not the reason they didn’t take him to Kings Landing. They literally arm him at Winterfell
>>217963599
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>>217964094>wanted to go>Jon is self-aware enough to know with Ned leaving Catelyn won't accept him in Winterfell>Ned gave him no alternative options - other bastards in the series have their fathers get them knighted, captain ships, make them master at arms or castellans>Ned allowed Jon to believe the Night's Watch wasn't a complete shithole filled with rapists and murders >Ned purposefully or not raised Jon so he saw himself as the sole stain on Ned's honor, hoped to join the Watch to make him proud. Would never choose something like being a sellsword as a resultNed has like 50 abandoned castles and holdfasts in the North he could have given Jon, he could have sent him to foster somewhere, he could have had him squire for somebody. There's a reason Ned has crushing guilt when he thinks about Jon, is thinking about broken promises, and is having nightmares about the Tower of Joy. He knew he let Catelyn turn him into a bitch when she demanded he throw Jon out of his own fucking castle
If you support Blackfyres then you support Baratheons and Velayrons on the throne
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>>217964228>Ned has like 50 abandoned castles and holdfasts in the North he could have given JonThose aren't for bastards to occupy, his trueborn bannermen would throw a fit over it.
>>217964233The Velaryons should’ve got the throne though, and they are the more senior line I don’t know why it isn’t a bigger deal
>>217964228I always figured giving Jon a small holdfast or some kind of captain of the guard sinecure was always the plan until Robert fucked it up by calling Ned south. The whole thing is very retarded though I know it sounds silly to just say “they should have gotten him laid first” but they really should have gotten him laid first. Like just invent any excuse to send him to the reach and back or something so he can at least spend like six months in the real world before deciding he wants to take the black
>>217964298Where tf are they againAlso hotd made it really obvious why Velayrons are rejected to marry into Targ line but in the books aren't they the exact same appearance as targsLiterally perfect match I would have them everywhere if I was a targ
>>217964233I guess I’m pro Blackfyre now
>>217964228Ok if you want Ned to be the villain in your headcanon that’s fine but this is all bullshit>There's a reason Ned has crushing guilt when he thinks about JonNed feels a crushing weight about Jon because he is his nephew who he’s pretending is his son, the rightful Targaryen king, and that the entire realm fought and bled under false pretences.
Oysters, clams and cuckolds!
>>217964323Rhaenys is the only child of Aemon, the eldest son of Jaehaerys. The Velaryon line is the continuation. She ought to have inherited but Jaehaerys held a Great Council instead because he sort of bypassed (usurped) his nieces and wanted to shire up his legitimacy
Why is the line of succession not honoured in W*steroesFuark sake
>>217964415It mostly was?
>>217964382How Braavos should have gone for Arya
>>217964415>line of successionWhich kind specifically?
>>217964415>W*steroes
>>217964433Fuck was her problem?
>>217964293>bannerman throw a fit over Ned using his rights to give Jon some abandoned ruin that any of them could have asked for but haven't because they didn't want it>>217964301the heir to House Mormont is female and pretty much openly a bastard, Ned could have easily hooked Jon up with her. Manderly's heir is also a girl Jon's age who needs somebody willing to take her name. If Ned wasn't a pussy he could have given Jon a great life, just tell Catelyn the truth so she doesn't chimp out
>>217964446And it all comes back to Cat being an absolute woman
>>217964293You'll need men and supplies to occupy either a castle or holdfast, and it's dangerous.Let's say you have 20 men in your keep, wildlings can use a few good men and plan a sneak attack and kill everyone of you. Those supplies makes your castle/keep a target for wildings and they're not above killing NW men.
>>217964446>Catelyn the truth so she doesn't chimp outShe wouldn’t have been able to keep the secret, that’s why she wasn’t told.
>>217964293sorry meant to answer >>217964228 with this >>217964473
>>217964446You don't "ask" for that, it's something granted as reward. Every keep or parcel of land doled out to a bastard robs a potential reward for a trueborn kid of a banner lord, many of whom have multiple sons who aren't heir to their own turf.
How many hours until the next episode?
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>>217964357>Ned feels a crushing weight about Jon because he is his nephew who he’s pretending is his son, the rightful Targaryen king, and that the entire realm fought and bled under false pretences.yeah, and Ned let him rot at the Wall rather than standing up to his cunt of a wife>>217964420GRRM can't touch Arya because of his wife, but in his original draft of Storm had it so Jaime didn't save Brienne and she gets brutally gangraped and mindbroken. There's actually a character still in the books who was supposed to be Brienne that tyrion meets in Essos called pretty meris
>>217963176this is what rhaegar saw in his dreams
>>217964558>because of his wifeTrite excuse, that bitch wasn't his wife when Arya was conceived of, she shouldn't retroactively impact the course of the character.
>>217964558Again, Jon wants to go to the Wall, like his uncle
>>217964420Hahahah what a clip
>>217964420I refuse to believe there is as little rape in such a cynical and miserable world as ASOIAF as George leads the reader to believe
>>217964644Stop raping, ser.
>>217964666That wasn't advocacy, Duncan!
>>217964420What the fuck
>>217964420Hey wheres the Fossaway bros make sure to save this
>>217964679lol
>>217964420>Arya wasn't impregnated her entire POV as a orphaned noblewomanSomething's up
>>217964479>catelyn might snitch and put Jon in danger>so he chooses to let him go to the Watch where his life is 100% in danger, Waymar Royce died within 6 months of joining>>217964491half of the North is fucking depopulated, empty, and not being utilized. Nobody is going to bitch(other than Catelyn) if Ned gave Jon something>>217964600>No one had told him the Night's Watch would be like this; no one except Tyrion Lannister. The dwarf had given him the truth on the road north, but by then it had been too late. Jon wondered if his father had known what the Wall would be like. He must have, he thought; that only made it hurt the worse. >Even his uncle had abandoned him in this cold place at the end of the world. Up here, the genial Benjen Stark he had known became a different personyeah bro, Jon totally wants to join the Watch. Ned and Benjen definitely didn't fill his head with lies about what it would be like
>>217964420Them YiTi ain't right
It's pretty sad that A Song of Fire and Ice is turned into a Disney franchise. The series is now treated like a sandbox for spin off television shows that compared as equals with the series that actually had tangible source material as opposed to a mock history book and a short story. This show is good but people talk about it like it's revitalizing game of thrones just like they did with house of the dragon. In my mind we have not been George Martin since early seasons of GoT.
How was Arya get stabbed in the stomach and yet completely fine episodes later? Was it like meant to be a dream sequence? It never happened?
>>217964420reek status?
>>217964737She was wearing her plot armor
>>217964730>half of the North is fucking depopulated, empty, and not being utilized.Because the land sucks and the weather is shit, but you still don't dole out keeps to bastards.
>>217964737>>217964722She was stabbed in the uterus thats why she's not getting pregnant.
>>217964730>Ned and Benjen definitely didn't fill his head with lies about what it would be likeThis is your headcanon and your quotes are out of context
>>217964730>half of the North is fucking depopulated, empty, and not being utilized.Thats why he can’t just give him something, being the northern equivalent of a landed knight is useless if there’s nobody to work the land you’re just someone squatting in a ruined tower with no servants and no income
>>217964737>>217964766Just wanna say Maisie Williams aged like fucking milk
>>217964644
>>217964796I love cheese
1st for young griff
what is dead may never die
What the fuck is a Rhoynar?
>>217964844
>>217964802KEKWhat would Dunk think?
>>217964796She has the physiognomy of a plump robust northern pub hostess
>>217964851dusky skinned meds/atlanteans that refugeed into dorne after dragonniggers killed their home
>>217964863built for PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
>>217964851A people that contended with Valyrian dragonshits for generations before deciding to leave Essos for dragon-less lands in the west, winding up in the area known as Dorne and subjugating the people already living there.
Alright guys, I want a definitive answer. Who is the single deadliest sonofabitch in the entire setting? Any place and any time. No gimmicks like dragons or magic swords. Just sheer raw ability to eviscerate anyone they go up against.
>>217964904Darkstar
>>217964904At the height of his strength and power?Ser Gregor Clegane "The Mountain that Rides"
>>217964904Your mom
I love the iron islands and the ironborn
>>217964768how is it out of context? It's literally Jon's POV once he reaches the Wall, how it was nothing like he was led to believe it would be. He wanted to bail but Ned gave him no other option>He need only ride on, and he could leave it all behind. By the time the moon was full again, he would be back in Winterfell with his brothers.>Your half brothers, a voice inside reminded him. And Lady Stark, who will not welcome you. There was no place for him in Winterfell, no place in King's Landing either. >Even his own mother had not had a place for him. The thought of her made him sad. He wondered who she had been, what she had looked like, why his father had left her. Because she was a whore or an adulteress, fool. Something dark and dishonorable, or else why was Lord Eddard too ashamed to speak of her?Ned basically groomed Jon to feel guilty about being born, I can get not telling Jon the full truth but he wouldn't even give him a single detail
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>>217964875How funny would it have been if the Dornish kept all the Roynar water magic and the first time the Targs tried to attack, some mages cut the dragons out of the sky with water jets like they did in the old county
>>217964904The show makes it clear that it's Jon Snow.
>>217963444The most fitting thing is that he's just some kid with Valyrian features and no royal lineage and Varys is just telling both Blackfyre and Targ supporters what they want to hear
>>217964954sis why do you think the dornish never knelt?
>>217964904Robert, Daemon Blackfyre, Arthur Dayne, Barristan
>>217964921>only confirmed kills are women, children, and unarmed peasants>gets beat in jousting by a 16 year old gay twink>first legit fight he gets rekt by Oberynthe mountain is the most overrated bum in the series
>>217964927Because it’s his POV at a specific time and place you fucking retard. It is his feelings not objective reality. You do actually understand this, right?
>>217964921>Gets fucked up by a dornishman with a pointed stick who only lost because he tried to turn it into a public spectacle
>>217964904The 7 foot black guy with no lips and the Valyrian steel Arakh.
>>217964043I definitely think it's not going to be Arya stabs the droid control ship Night King with the catspaw dagger and then they all explode and everyone just forgets about them. Especially since there is no "master" Other in the books like that.
>>217964904Wun Wun(grandchild of Ser Duncan the Tall)
so are the ironborn just first men that don't consider themselves first men because of their own mythology?
>>217965045their religion certainly predates the first men's arrival
>>217965045Yes
For me, it's Lonely Light
>>217964904>>217964966going by actual combat performance it's Robert and Barristan, nobody else really comes close. Robert managed to almost kill Jon Connington while wounded, fighting half naked straight out of a brothel, and having to use a sword instead of his warhammer
>>217965071Can't believe the Ironborn tolerate those sissies.
I feel like nobodys accounting for the fact that Ned has all the same delusions about the Night’s Watch that Ned does. Ned might be a little more clear that its full of retards and fuckups but anybody any leading a host or a guard is leading a bunch of retards and fuckups. Ned thinks its an honor to serve
>>217964904Robert Strong
Wouldn't the strongest be Bran because he can see your moves before you even try them?
I love AKOTSK so much it almost makes me forget how bad GoT ended and that the books will never be finished
Davidreadsasoiaf passed away yesterday from severe toxoplasmosisR.i.p.
>>217965137Why so he can brace himself before i tip over his chair?
>>217965137If you can see the sword cutting your head off before it happens, but can't do anything to stop it is it that useful?
>>217965092Daemon Blackfyre smashed the vale vanguard, killed knights of the vale and dueled one of the best swordsman of the era for 40 minutes and won, and on top of all that he is the only person oout of the usual top fighters who actually faced someone who had a valyrian steel sword (Gwayne with Lady Forlorn)
>>217964233>Velaryons on the throneWhich Velaryons? Book Velaryons or Show Velaryons?
>>217964986objective reality is that Jon thought the Watch would be filled with guys like Benjen and by the time he found out the truth he had no way out. Jon outright says Tyrion was the only one who told him the truth. Considering it's his opinion on the Wall, his feelings are the only thing that matter. The whole debate is on whether Jon wanted to go to the Wall and Ned let him go without enabling him to make an informed decision. Walder Frey of all people gives his bastards a better life than Ned did for Jon, several of his bastards are knights
Is Cavill playing Daemon Blackfyre?
>>217965159Daemon Targaryen had a valyrian steel sword and he died doing a shonen move to win his fight
>>217965137I think you mean Bran is strongest because he can warg into his opponent and stab themselves or cut their own throat or let them lie on the ground so that Bran can roll over their dick.
>>217965143One less shill. Press S to spit.
>>217965144He can lift.
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE PRESTON VIDEO
Best Houses when they can get along
>>217965170Book lol. I would never say show
>>217965191Daemon Targaryen never dueled anyone who also had a valyrian steel sword, Daemon B did.Also why bring up that chump? one of the best dragon riders sure but Daemon Targ doesn't even make it close to the top best fighters in the setting
>>217965159>nearly broken the Vale until Corbray showed up>then got stalemated for 40 minutes by some scrub with no other notable accomplishments>memelyrian steelRobert would have smashed that Vale faggots chest in under a minute and finished the battle before bloodraven could fill him with arrows
Balerion vs an F35. what wins?
>>217965235>by some scrub with no other notable accomplishmentsnta but they don't give Lady Forlorn to anybody in that family, and that family is known for shitting out great swordsman and master at arms
>>217964904Depends. If it's an honourable one-on-one sword duel it's either prime Jaime with his swordhand still intact, or prime Barristan in his late 20s - early 30s.If it's an actual no-holds-barred combat with any weapon in a warfield, and everyone is wearing heavy plate, it's prime Bobby B or Daemon B with the Blackfyre sword.
>>217965235BobbyB would beat DaemonB but you are fucking retarded if you think it wouldn't be close look anything like his fight with Rhaegar
>>217965255>Lady ForlornShe loves a drop of red
>>217965247We already saw how Dragons vs Jets ends in Drakengard.https://youtu.be/6OPW-RdzStA?si=O7oZYnBv_7n-81JX&t=324
>>217965235>>217965275>if you think it wouldn't be close OR* look anything like his fight with Rhaegar
>time for /got/hotd/dunk!>292 postsEvery fucking time...
Well I think Ser Duncan the Tall is the best and that you should stop raping, ser.
>>217965299Independent city state looks just like Venice. Braavos George!
>>217964904Its obviously the Mountain, George made him comically OP and even Jaime’s overblown ego driven pov thinks it would be hard to beat him
>>217965232I just don’t think he’s a chump he seems like a really capable guy to me and somebody gave him Dark Sister
>>217965313Mountain eats shit against Oberyn, which isn't even in the top 20 best fighters in the realm and only manages to get a draw via plot stupidity
Are we ready to spend some time with young Dunk?
What exactly is the benefit of being a Kingsguard? Sounds like a shit deal tbqhwyf.
>>217964420
>>217965322>he seems like a really capable guyyeah but really capable doesn't cut it when someone asks who's the deadliest combatant? (no magic/dragons)
