Babylon 5 Is now free to watch on youtube in the quality that it deserveshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y235YEQstLohttps://cordcuttersnews.com/babylon-5-is-now-free-to-watch-on-youtube/
>>217975455slightly shit
>>217975455Somehow I never got into this back in the day, but now I'm glad I didn't, as it's like I saved a bit of the 90s for when I needed it most. (Most of the way through S1, and it's super-comfy.)
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>>217975455Watching second episode now, just seems like a low budget DS9 rip off. They even referenced a character named Dukat lmao.
>>217975777They were competing shows
>>217975777gr8 b8 m8
>>217975777i know it's bait, but they are very different series despite the retroactively "copying", DS9 would have been better without the mystical stuff, but in B5 it works, dukat didn't need a ghost inside, he was already awesome
>>217975777The writer for Babylon 5 wrote a "bible" of plans and pitched it to Paramount in 1988. There were allegations of copyright and lawsuits because Paramount still had access to that work when B5 and DS9 began filming.
>>217975777hot take is as old as the shows themselves
>>217975907It wasn't retroactive. It was literally copying the other students homework word for word then changing a few small bits to make it seem like your own to the teacher
>>217976059>It was literally copying the other studentsjust use chatgpt, grandpa
AAAAAAAAAAAH MISTER ANONBALDI
>>217975777https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q9JXAF2uFU
>>217975455Thanks. I'll watch it once I'm done with Farscape.
I really like this show overall, but some of the political messaging is hard to stomach sometimes.The one episode where Sinclair presents the "religion of earth" and there is like 50 different tribal animists, atheists and co in a line is so fucking cringe.
>>217976670you are supposed to identify with Londo though
>>217975777Obvious bait. Why are ppl failing for it
>>217975777Lucky little troll.
>>217976705everybody has watched and enjoyed both series by now, it doesn't even matter, always find it funny that somehow DS9 was able to cram TWO different alien borderline antisemitic parody species in the same story
>>217976705I have a friend that genuinely thinks this though
Garibaldi remains my second favorite human character."""Amis: [yelling in his sleep] Incoming! Incoming! Incoming! Incoming!Michael Garibaldi: How long has he been like that?Guard: Couple hours now.Amis: To the walls. Get to the walls.Guard: Damn Lurkers. We ought to space all of them.Michael Garibaldi: Hanson.Amis: Oh, God. Stop them. Incoming.Michael Garibaldi: Were you in the war?Guard: No, I missed it.Michael Garibaldi: He didn't.Guard: How do you know?Michael Garibaldi: I've had that same dream."""
>>217976670Earth's dominate religious belief at that time: "we don't have one; and fuck off and die if you try to make one."
>>217976949He is my fav after Sheridan.Does anybody like Doctor Moralfag? And his wise moral lessons from the 20th century?
>>217975455>Babylon 5 | Full Episode | The Gathering: Season 1, Episode 1It's not season 1 episode 1 though? It's the pilot movie. Season 1 episode 1 is 'Midnight on the Firing Line'. How the fuck can they get this wrong?>>217975777In case there's teh remote chance of someone reading this who doesn't know, Babylon 5 was in development since 1985, and after JMS finished working on the show "Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future", he started shopping around the series bible to various networks, including Paramount, who passed on the show.Paramount then of course commissioned DS9 and ripped off pretty much every aspect of Babylon 5's concept and series arc(s).
>>217977011>Does anybody like Doctor Moralfag? And his wise moral lessons from the 20th century?I didn't hate him.Kosh remains my favorite 'human'.
>>217975777>>217977018https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5#Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine_and_Paramount_plagiarism_controversy
Almost nothing tops G'Kar finding out that he's become a religious icon.""""Where is my book? It is my only copy!""Yes, that is precisely the point. The Kha'Ri felt that if anything happened to you, the book of G'Kar would never see the light of day, so they .. liberated it.""Liberated it?""We took it home. Those that read it were very moved by it and they made some copies.""Copies?!""Just a few, .. for their friends. A few more, .. later few more copies.""How many?!""That's hard to say, exactly. There was some confusion when it went to the printers.""Printers?! I've only been gone for a month, Ta'Lon, there can't be that many copies floating around this quickly. How many?""Five or six .. hundred .. thousand.""What?""I've been told that it will out-sell the book of G'Quan. .. Congratulations, citizen G'Kar. You are now a religious icon." """
>>217977150https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtaDXnB1YsA
>>217977011>Does anybody like Doctor Moralfag?it was funny that he was getting high on space-fentanyl
>>217977189>space-fentanylSpace amphetamines, anon.
>>217976174Londo: "I'm sorry. Here open my wrists."Garibaldi: "Centauri don't have major artery's in their wrists."Londo: "Of course we don't. What do you think, I'm stupid?!"
>>217975455>Babylon 5>1080pIt's just cropped 4:3, isn't it
>>217975777>Derivative Station 9
>>217977330That's how it was broadcast, anon.
>>217977172Please do not thump the book of G'Quan.
Is the pilot movie a recommended watch or should I just dive into Season 1
>>217977018Meh. Even though I like Babylon 5 more than DS9, only the most basic of concepts are the same. The details that make Babylon 5 great aren't the things DS9 copied. They're different enough that they're both worth watching and don't interfere with each other. Watching one doesn't create spoilers for the other. Not sure why anyone other than JMS cares. Lots of actors appeared on both shows, so obviously it didn't matter to them.
>>217976670JMS is one of the most self-satisfied blowhards in human history. Once you learn to see his authorial imprint it's difficult to watch an entire episode of B5
>>217977455Watch the pilot, anon. Not everything is a smooth seque into S1, but it's still worth watching.
>>217975455>>217977455It's really hard to shake the opinion that anyone coming into Babylon 5 for the first time should absolutely skip this pilot movie and just go to season 1. So much of this gets ignored or retconned that it's hardly worth the bother. Most of the human cast gets replaced by the start of the show proper.Also, absolutely under NO circumstances should you watch "In The Beginning" before you've seen season 5. It's a prequel written as a prequel, i.e. after you've already seen the rest of show up to the point it was made. It spoils a fuckload of plot.
Occasional reminder that everyone who told Mr. Morden what they wanted got it, good and hard.
>>217977172>mfw they even copied the coffee stain he made on the book
>>217977566"A Canticle for Leibowitz" when they realize that blue prints are just a waste of ink.
>>217975455https://www.youtube.com/@CZBeyondInfinity/search?query=babylon%205They posted The Gathering as "S01E01" (wrong), and then episodes Soul Hunter (S01E03) and Born To The Purple (S01E04)?? What the fuck are they doing, that shambles is a fucking discrace
>>217975455my boy scar still out there. somewhere.
>>217977536>under NO circumstances should you watch "In The Beginning" before you've seen season 5.Man i really glad i didnt. honestly plot of this show was good and i glad i didnt spoil it.
>>217976670It's very 90s liberal, I couldn't stomach the union episode for that reason. They should have rose up and scalped J'kar.
>>217977649I mistyped, I should have writtedn season 4. But the effect is pretty much the same.In The Beginning was iirc the first TVM they made when B5 was bought by TNT, to air before they started showing Season 5 on the new network. It was supposed to be an intro for everyone with the new channel that hadn't seen seasons 1-4 on PTEN.Imho most of the TVM's are just mediocre and unnessecary. I think the only one I liked was Thirdspace. They can all be safeley ignored without affecting your viewing of the main show whatsoever
>>217977500And when he tries to make his "important points" it is always so hamfisted and annoying.Just a few things I remember.>Bar Rednecks about some plague "It was probably those Vorlons who poisoned our drinking water" while wise Doctor Moralfag shakes his head "nothing ever changes"and of course the eugenics purity episode where some alien bioweirdo kills everyone who has "impure" genetics so they genocided their whole speciesHe also lets J'Kar literally say the words "Never Again" and refers to JewsIt is so fucking insufferable, which is a shame, because otherwise the characters and the main story is great
Entertainment first, the message second. They don't make such movies and shows anymore, even JMS himself.
Watching the pilot now, Sinclair not only acts differently, he looks so much younger. Altogether, he feels fifteen years younger. It makes me think the schizophrenia was a creeping distress.
Babylon 5 was made when America was 80% white and it shows.
>>217977934You mean the incredible naiveté?
>My bussy is sore, but I no longer know how to throw it back...
>>217977745>I couldn't stomach the union episodeKeep sucking up to your masters, anon.
>>217978240Did you read my post?
>What's with the hat?>Keeps the rain off my head.
Sheridan grew on me over time.""""I apologize. I'm .. sorry. I'm sorry we had to defend ourselves against an unwarranted attack. I'm sorry that your crew was stupid enough to fire on a station filled with a quarter million civilians, including your own people. And I'm sorry I waited as long as I did before I blew them all straight to hell. .. As with everything else, it's the thought that counts." """
>>217977536It's really funny how modern dummies will see the word "prequel" and get the idea that it should be watched first. That's just so stupid that it makes me chuckle.
Damn it, I have things to do tonight. If I wind up queuing up my B5 DVDs, it's all your fault, anons.
>>217977770which one was with the spooky evil aliens that totally isnt shadows?
It rules so much, go watch it.
>>217975455
Willerth and Chamberlain were robbed, anons. Kosh was one of the best acted characters on TV, but they were never even nominated for an Emmy.
Which is better, 2004 BSG or B5?
Who are you; what do you want.
>>217978486I went to rewatch B5 for the first time in years and half my dvds had disc rot. They suffered from that bad Warner batch from the mid 00s. You may want to check yours.
>>217981531Last year they were fine, but now I'm paranoid and planing on a rewatch.
>>217980022>G'kar immediately tears his head off
>>217980602BSG by a pretty large margin for me. B5 just has too much filler for my taste, but it does have much better conclusions to its arcs compared to BSG.
>>217981669Dude, name an episode that has no ties to any other.
>>217975455What is the most kino episode of this series?
>>217981879I don't have a great memory of individual episodes, but TKO immediately comes to mind. There were a lot of serialized episodes in Season 1 that really didn't do much. Then you have Season 5 which is pretty much pointless outside of the Centauri stuff and the finale. Season 2-3 is where it really hit its stride.
Anyone else feel like the Sheridan-Garibaldi conflict was a bit overstated? It would have been better if brainwashed Garibaldi just gradually wore Sheridan down until he finally snapped at him, but it almost seemed like Sheridan was just being arch and looking to start a fight every time they crossed path. I don't know if it was the direction or just Boxleitner's performance, but it was a little too much for me
>>217977745>It's very 90s liberal, I couldn't stomach the union episode for that reason. They should have rose up and scalped J'karTo be fair that's a lot of sci-fi from the era. Hell, it was only more grounded and/or cynical sci-fi shows that pushed back against that. The Reimagined BSG dismissed such attitudes at naive and even had president Baltar on New Caprica badmouth unions for being lazy and strike-happy, for example.
This is a pretty nice Green thread. You don't mind if I post some Purple, do you?>>217977745>>217982620DS9 had a pro-union episode.
why didn't anyone tell me this is good
>>217983336We spent the entire 2000s & early 2010s shitting on anything old. Look at the way people still react to TOS.Sure, the older CGI looks like shit but I get it, it was a spectacle at the time. I remember thinking Gran Turismo 2 looked like real life when it came out.
Having finished the pilot, I guess I better understand why we're supposed to slightly prefer Molari over G'Kar. I always preferred G'Kar for being the obvious Soviet Union/Iran stand-in to the Centauri as the US/Britain
>>217982677I trust Trek to be more left-wing, but B5 is more kino. Now we just need another successor show with radical politics about overthrowing the Earth Alliance.
>>217975455IT WAS THE DAWN OF THE THIRD AGE OF THE INTERNET10 YEARS AFTER THE FIRST TRUMP ELECTION4CHAN WAS A DREAM GIVEN FORMITS GOAL TO PREVENT ANOTHER IRL SOCIAL INTERACTION BY CREATING A PLACE WHERE AUTISTS AND COOMERS COULD SHITPOST ABOUT THEIR INTERESTS PEACEFULLYIT'S A CESSPOOL, A BASEMENT INSIDE A BASEMENT FOR POLITISPERGS, SCAMMERS, SHILLS, AND WIZARDSAUTISTS AND COOMERS, WRAPPED IN 77 BOARDS OF SPIRALING MADNESSALL ALONE ON THE INTERNETIT CAN BE A DANGEROUS PLACE, BUT IT'S OUR LAST, BEST HOPE FOR FREE SPEECHTHIS IS THE STORY OF THE LEAST INTERESTING BOARDTHE YEAR IS 2026THE NAME OF THE BOARD IS /tv/
>>217975455Why did Bablyon 5 have a synagogue?
>>217985462cause babylons 1-4 didn't...
>>217977562Yeah, dumb, and they never explained who or why or how he just grants wishes.
>>217981993Easily Severed Dreams. It's the culmination of everything that came before it paying off in ways that flipped the status quo on its head.
>>217976174Was he a good guy or a bad guy?
>>217980425Did they cgi or is it like special effect?
>>217975455Rewatching the series and realizing every ambassador is a manipulative evil scheming scumbag
>When its revealed that you saw Londo use his dick to cheat at the card game
>>217985434>IT FAILED
>>217975669thinking about giving it a watch myself. never did back in the day.
>>217975455Mostly everyone on this show is dead NIW.
>>217986313this has got to be the most outrageous thing ive ever seen on tv. just full on alien penis
I love how wildly inconsistent the writing in this show was. after a certain point once you get into season 2 its like every other episode has an 11/10 scene with some of the most kino moments ever, but the show also has one of the worst scenes ive ever seen and some plain bad stuff
>>217985462Because the XO was Jewish.
this show always leaves me in such an existential funk after watching it
>>217980022Shalom
>>217986651When he is playing cards you se for a brief instant a tentacle lift a card.>>217987142It´s a 90´s sci-fi show. Par for the course, see also Space: above and beyond, The adventures of Brisco County Jr.
>>217975455>quality that it deservesStill looks like SD
>>217976993Correct. Earth doesn't has a dominant belief. Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism all have many members.Far more soulful that Roddenberry assuming all humans AND ALIENS will be fedora in 200 years
>>217988002i assumed his complaint was more about the token tribal animist ooga booga shit, which objectively is not dominant in any form, anywhere. the big five you listed outnumbers any other folk faith nearly threefold
>>217975777This. I honestly like DS9 way more. But people here will seethe so hard that they'll shit themselves if you dare even say that. I can't really take Babylon 5 seriously because of how cheap and goofy it looks. It feels like one of those generic sci fi shows that just makes shit up or pulls shit out of it's ass as it goes along. DS9 actually felt like a well thought out setting but of course you're gonna get that considering the franchise had been around for over 30 years at that point.
>>217976705>>217976785>Someone voices their opinion that they think DS9 is better than B5>NO THIS HAS TO BE A TROLL! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT NOT TO BE, RIGHT? RIGHT!?Some people like DS9 more. It's not that crazy. It's insane how much you people suck off Babylon 5 to the point of being beyond normal fan shit and being a straight up cult. I swear this has to be some hardcore contrarian shit. I'm not saying it's crazy for people to like B5 more because of course both shows are going to have their group of people who think one is better than the other but the level of dick sucking you people do over this show is borderline insane. Both are great shows. Also it's not crazy for that anon to think of B5 as "low budget" on a first glance because it definitely was when it first aired. You would have to be blind not to see that.
>>217975777Checked. Even with trips of truth. The Babylon 5 psychos have to go into total cope mode over this post. You can't make this shit up.
I didn't really like either show
>>217981993Passing through Gethsemane.
>>217975837>>217976705>>217976785>People having different opinions is bait
>>217975455looks like shit
it's the londo, vir and occasionally gkar show, everyone else pretty weak and the recycled indoor sets are absolutely patheticalso the fuckers spliced the franklin episodes with important ongoing storylines so you can't just skip them
>>217989110There's nothing wrong with a little Franklin now and then. Now, Marcus, on the other hand...
>When Londo and G'kar aren't in the episode
>>217977536>So much of this gets ignored or retconnedthe FUCK are you bastards babbling about?there's MAJOR players and plot points in this Pilot that are literally cornerstones of the whole story
>>217986078Good guy, though a bit too much of a a selfish asshole at times.
>>217986078he was a patriotso literally hitler for most of the retards here
>>217986734that's literally JMS for youthe guy is an utter retard and genius at the same timejewish schizophrenia, I guess
>>217988570>>217988593Except that he didint say that DS9 is better, he said that Babylon 5 is a rip off
>>217988911ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>217986734>>217989296The episode count is just too high.It should have had max 16 episodes, like Sopranos.
>>217977189>>217977250>gets stress-addicted to stims>finally wises up to it and decides to kick it>goes on walkabout in the alien sectors>is a xenobiologist, getting along with aliens is old hat, they're just like humans>gets shanked by an alien
>>217977536>It's a prequel written as a prequelLiterally the pilot of the series you fucking retard
>>217977495>Lots of actors appeared on both showsLike, maybe three, and only one of the B5 regulars (Bill Mumy).
>>217989342WRONG!That was the fucking standard back then, when white people still worked in the business and knew how to get shit done.
>>217981879Grey 17 Is Missing
>>217989353>>gets shanked by an alienwhat species was it?
>>217989394It would've had 9/10 on IMDB and remembered more fondly with less episodesFFSGame of Thrones has 9.2 despite the last two seasons being garbage
>>217982526>Anyone else feel like the Sheridan-Garibaldi conflict was a bit overstated?If anything, it felt delayed. Garibaldi should have resented Sheridan being there from the start after his homeboy Sinclair abandoned him. That it took as long as it did AND brainwashing seemed like it took forever for them to finally throw hands over repressed anger.
>>217985864Even with the one line flub, Severed Dreams is astonishingly good
>>217989437A Drazi, I think, but it might have been a Brakiri
>>217977011>Doctor Moralfagit was a pretty standard SciFi trope back thenand B5 had one of the worstStargate SG-1 solved it the best and eventually just killed her.
>>217975455The thinking man's Star Trek.
>>217989444ok zoomzoomhope you survive "the marathoning"
>>217989581I'm not a zoomer, in fact I posted that- >>217989335it's inherently harder to make over 20 high quality episodes than 15 or so. Hard for writers, hard for actors, hard for the rest of the crew.Especially for SCI FI epic.
Why didn't we see the telepath war?
It's a shame that Crusade and Legends of the Rangers weren't any good. We could have used a better competitor to Star Trek
>>217990068probably because it would just be people staring at eachother
>>217989296Polish, so Polish that his father would make him wear a Nazi uniform to make him man up
>>217990068The telepaths wiped the memory from your mind.
>>217991096ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA
>>217975455This shit plays out like a Soap Opera but in space.
This show had such great openings. For me, season 3 is the peak.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9EbGd1AlMg
Where are the rest of the episodes?I just see the Pilot, 3 and 4
For me, it's Zathras.
>>217989555>eventuallybro, she was there for 7/8 seasons. Season 9 and 10 are practically a spin-off
6 episodes in. Only complaint so far is the soundtrack, it's dated and sloppy even for the era, so much for Tangerine Dream.. The effects hold up well considering the budget, and the short space renders are quite charming when you consider computing power of that period
>>217992002The soundtrack is one of the best parts, sounds like you just have bad taste.
>>217992010It's dreadful and poorly mixed, by far the weakest aspect of the show. Forgive me I've only been composing music for 28 years
>>217990068JMS was hoping to develop another tv show about the telepath war.
>>217992133You're too lost up your own ass, you're like Bill Belichick coming to a jr high touch football game and yelling at the players because they aren't making super bowl level plays.
>>217991693This intro is awesome.
>>217992189Sorry no idea what you said kid
>>217992234Your concession is accepted.
>>217975455Do any of the movies answer any question about the loose plot holes from the show?
>>217992290You're welcome
>>217992345What loose plot holes?
>>217991052While rough around the edges, Crusade did have some potential to be fair. But WB decided they knew better than the show runner what order to air the episodes in. And when you've got season long story threads, that just kneecapped any chance Crusade had. Legends of the Rangers, I just don't know what they were going for. You can obviously point and laugh at the utterly goofy "targeting system". But the story and characters were pretty staid and boilerplate for what should've been a rich canvas of the Rangers exploits.
>>217991262>his father would make him wear a Nazi uniform to make him man upapparently it didn't work
>>217992345>Do any of the movies answer any question about the loose plot holes from the show?was it a movie or an episode when Lenier goes full incel rage mode?
>>217975455Missing the episode Midnight on the Firing Line.
>>217993470Bill Mumy was pretty unhappy about how the writers used Lennier late in the franchise. I don't recall if his order required celibacy for his position, but if so, that's not really being an incel since he chose that life. If it wasn't required, he probably could have found a wife easy enough but the writers made him into a friend zoned beta orbiter. >>217992002Never gave the soundtrack very much thought. It's pretty standard 90s electronic music that was used for low budget shows. Do you like the music from Xena better? Anyway, not every scifi series can a Bear McCreary working for them.
>>217986360Go for it, anon. I'm up to episode 20 now. Was rolling my eyes at the jewishness in one episode, but it wasn't *that* bad - and then David Warner showed up in the next one, rendering everything kino.
>>217975455Why 1080p and not 480p?
>>217994020>the writersIt was JMS, he's always been a sexual degenerate. >makes Lennier watch Sheridan and Delenn fuck on their wedding night because it's their (((custom)))He was a great guy the whole show, his character assassination along with the first half of season 5 are the only black marks on the show. It's a miracle it got made when it did and the producers were able to tamp down on his fetishes. Imagine if B5 was made today and JMS had full reign.
I'm on season 5 and every episode feels like filler.
>>217994348Yes, I'm usually annoyed by studio interference but it's clear that PTEN saved the show from some of JMS's excesses several times.
>>217994353>the first half of season 5Because it is, it's terrible and you are missing nothing if you skip it. Look up where the telepath shit ends and start from there, the last half is back to the usual levels of kino.
>>217994375Not only is it mostly filler but Byron is a terribly unlikable character that has a punchable face.
>>217994375>the last half is back to the usual levels of kinoI can never watch the final episode without bawling my eyes out. It's so rare for a show to have a good final episode.
Any Refa chads here?
>>217994418Whenever Byron's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "where's Byron?"
>>217994375I already powered through it.
>>217994418Poor Robin, He's a stellar voice actor.
>>217975579
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>>217994425>There's no hidin' place down here>You know, there's no hidin' place down here>I went to the rock to hide my face>But the rock cried out, no, no hiding place down hereThey gave him a great send off. Too bad some of the thug extras did a shitty job of acting like they were beating him but that can be overlooked given how kino the scene otherwise was.
>>217994623Kino of the highest order, don't watch if you haven't seen the show already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zly_tL5mMc8
Oh no Garibaldi is drinking again...
>>217994348>Imagine if B5 was made today and JMS had full reign.wasn't that sense8? pretty much just straighforward tranny porn
>>217994808Yeah everything JMS has done aside from B5 and Crusade was awful. I respect him for his masterpiece but he was a one hit wonder.
>garibaldo, if you eat butter ONCE per year you will DIE immediatelywtf was his problem?
Only slightly rage baiting here because a few of these make sense and others, well, not so much.>Henry Cavill as John Sheridan – The fearless commander of Babylon 5, balancing diplomacy and war.>Eva Green as Delenn – The wise and enigmatic Minbari leader, caught between two worlds.>Elizabeth Olsen as Susan Ivanova – The fierce second-in-command, known for her sharp mind and iron will.>Jason Statham as Michael Garibaldi – The no-nonsense head of security with a troubled past.>Dave Bautista as G’Kar – The Narn warrior turned reluctant prophet, seeking freedom for his people.>Willem Dafoe as Londo Mollari – The ambitious Centauri noble whose choices shape the fate of an empire.>Rami Malek as Morden – The sinister emissary of the Shadows, whispering chaos into the ears of leaders.>Scarlett Johansson as Talia Winters – A telepath ensnared in the dangerous web of Psi Corps.>Jennifer Lawrence as Lyta Alexander – The powerful psychic whose connection to the Vorlons changes everything.>Daniel Kaluuya as Dr. Stephen Franklin – The brilliant but conflicted chief medical officer.>Kosh Naranek – (CGI & Voice) The enigmatic Vorlon ambassador, guiding events from the shadows.I don't get why so many remake castings propose having Dave Bautista in them. Is his PR people doing this?
>>217994827His comics are so bad.
>>217994900>Dave Bautista as G’KarWhatever faggot came up with this list doesn't understand the show at all. G'Kar was not a brainless meathead.
>>217994988It came from an AI slop video so I'm guessing an LLM came up with the cast suggestions. I'm not sure who I'd pick to be G'Kar if there was a reboot but it surely wouldn't be Bautista.
>>217994900>Dave Bautistait's so bad, le random wrestling guy, but he wears glasses and speaks softly so we are supposed to think something very deep is going on, i didn't hate him in BR2049 but it was just a piece of meat to get beaten in an action scene
>>217975455I'll give it a go, but after the disappointment that was the Expanse...
Would a remake really need Talia and Lyta? I know in the original show the characters eventually went different ways but Lyta was mainly there to pick up storylines meant for Talia when Andrea Thompson wasn't available.
>>217995092They aren't even in the same league, b5 is a once in a generation show. You won't be disappointed.
>>217995092I'm new to B5 and I'd recommend it over that
>>217994900>Cavillslopstopped reading there
>>217975777Trips of bait
Get out Sheridan
>>217995333Did you not see the tiny size of the PPG? Perfectly sized for Henry's hands.
>>217977562Vir got exactly what he wished for.
>>217985482Why are you posting about a show you didn't even watch?
This was quite useful in the last half decade. B5 is a gift that keeps on giving.
>>217986078Yes
>>217991660Almost like a... space opera?
>>217975455Is it only me or does Garibaldi's actor looks like Bruce Willis' brother and the Chief Commander like Christian Bale's uncle or something (lmao).
>>217995596Sinclair was still the commander when that happened. He never would have said that to Sheridan.
>>217995596this is the episode.
>>217994808You should look up who the co-creators of that show are.
>>217994900>Henry CavillMeme actor
>>217994869In fairness, bagna cauda is staggeringly bad for you, which is why it was a once-a-year thing.
>>217988040animism and ancestor worship is the main religion of east asia with some 600 million adherents just between china and japan, and double that once you start including the ooga booga of SEA
>>217994911Fuck you, Captain Power & The Soldiers Of The Future was kino as fuck. A shame it never went into the deep eldritch shit it kept teasing with Overmind and Soaron.
>>217995817Ah, the bike episode.
>>217986090this was the 90s. it's a real cigarrette.
>>217982526>but it almost seemed like Sheridan was just being arch and looking to start a fight every time they crossed pathi've met guys like this
uhh
>>217995977The actor was well known for being a heavy smoker. Unsurprisingly, he died of lung cancer.
>>217996055Missed opportunity to have a hair conditioner product placement. Pantene with a futuristic font on the bottle.
>>217985462i mean the show is literally named babylon
>>217975455I've been rewatching it because of this. But they say that, but actually it's the pilot and only some of the episodes seem there. If you're in the USA the full set is also on "the Roku channel" which is basically free with an adblockhttps://therokuchannel.roku.com/details/79f30173b4a356ac8e25c90c91a3864a/midnight-on-the-firing-lineIt's both better and worse than I remember. Upside and downside of the pilot compared to the actual series: we lost a qt Japanese commander (yes Ivanova is great but still) but blonde psi corps member from the show is way hotter than Lyta. Also G'kar's characterization is way less weird in the actual show.
They killed off Marcus just to add another Poochie with Byron.
>>217996341>but blonde psi corps member from the show is way hotter than Lyta.You've been brainwashed
>>217994418>>217994467yeah hell of a voice, he was great in modern talking
>>217993440>>217989296https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNk7aEJLYF0Here's my chance to post this weird song. A long time ago I thought it was a very pretentious try hard (but kind of good) lyricist sharing his spoken word poetry to an emo rock soundtrack.Later I found out it's actually a monologue from the guy that wrote Babylon 5, talking about how he got beaten to within an inch of his life and came back from it. From which he apparently gained an eternal hatred of San Diego, a slight psychosis, and a mania to "tell stories".
>>217996424I didn't dislike Marcus but he felt like an insert for the type of fan who calls himself a sigma male.
It feels like Kotor & Mass Effect lifted heavily form B5.
>>217996565sounds about right, i watched this when i was way, way younger and went "this guy is literally me, he's freakin' badass". i used to draw shitty OCs in school that ripped off vincent valentine from FF7
>>217996546Must have been tempting to JMS to have San Diego destroyed by President Clark somehow.
Will I like this if I liked Babylon 5?
SET ME FREELET ME BREATHEGIVE ME AIR INA BOTTLE PLEASESET ME FREE RIDE WITH MEKEEP ME COMPANY(??)SET ME FREE
>>217996546Why does the talking sound all sped up?
>>217996546tried to look up this incident, stumbled on this gem in his wikipedia page
>>217996762>GIVE ME AIR IN>A BOTTLE PLEASEThat's Spaceballs.
>>217996601obviously. thats why both of them are good as well, before the writers started leaving.
>>217975455>YouTube >quality it deservesI'm sure you download yify rips too don't you
>>217996882does the pilot exist in a better quality?
The pilot movie is pretty terrible and almost out me off the show. But you kinda have to watch it to get content. Anyone reading this just power through it and most of the first season and you'll be rewarded with one of the best SF shows of all time.
>>217996725It was mentioned twice I think that it was nuked by terrorists
>>217997003*Put me off the show. And I meant context not content.
>>217976335>someday I finish watching DS9 and get to see Sisko retire with full military honors to live with his son and father at their family restaurant on Earth.>watch the final episode.Maybe copy everything BUT the celestial wormhole people? At least they shoved in The Tailor of Panama, B5 didn't have anyone like that.
>>217997003Did the pilot movie have the rings of power that Delenn never again pulled out during the series?
>>217977636so only a few random episodes are up then?
>>217997246One of the storylines meant for the uncompressed season four was Bester retiring from Psi Corp and running a wig shop.
>>217997266Yes. Apparently they're only adding one or two episodes per week.
>>217997331wow gay
>>217995783>GaribaldiYes. Garibaldi is John McClane at home and that's a good thing. I'm talking about the original John McClane. The one that was still a normal everyday working man who found himself in situations he shouldn't ever have to deal with.
>>217977976They did it way better. The only reason that the "controversy" persists to this day is because B5faggots are salty that DS9's the superior show. Nobody in the /trek/ generals bitch about DS9 being a dogshit ripoff of B5 - it's always B5 troons coping and seething.
>>217997604the whole spiritual aspect in deep space nine falls flat because the writers were incompetent athesit fartsniffers. i like it overall, but i could give less fucks about bajorans and wormhole aliens past the pilot. completely wasted
>>217997604>Nobody in the /trek/ generals bitch about DS9 being a dogshit ripoff of B5>dogshit ripoff fanboys aren't complaining about their dogshit ripoff being a dogshit ripoffshocking
The Corps is mother.The Corps is father.
>>217997861/trek/'s not a fucking monolith, you fucking tard. There's people who hate DS9 but not because they think it's a rip off of JMS's dogshit.
>>217997604Yet DS9 fans have done that multiple times in this very thread, starting with the 5th post.
>>217995892No worse, probably better, than fondue
Please stop taking the bait.
>fat>Polish>autisticHe's literally me
The Babylon thread was our last, best hope for cultural relevancy. It failed.
>>217998455Wrong, you don't want normalfags to get into b5, that's how shit gets ruined. JMS already tried to ruin it once and thankfully it flopped. B5 doesn't need anymore content, it doesn't need anyone to talk about it on twitter or ticktok. Those who can appreciate it will find it organically.
>>217998379Get lost Mike!
>>217998502m8 the show stopped airing 20 years ago and was watched by normies from the start
>>217998969>normiesYou need to go back.
>>217998502the amount of influence it had on space opera/sci-fi is already significant enough. you are correct, mister anon. those can will appreciate it and carry the torch within them, maybe even pass it on in a way of their own.
Season 1 of this show is a bit rough, ESPECIALLY early on, the final episodes get betterBut it's real rough and it's a shame because it's basically the best sci-fi show ever made.
>>217975910It's especially blatant in DS9 because there are elements of DS9's plot that don't fit Star Trek at all, like the wormhole deities. They're just bargain bin Vorlons and Shadows without their original context.
Watching this for the first time. Man, the Asian woman in the control room is a terrible actress so far. Sounds like a school play whenever she's up.
>>217999778Thanks chatgtp, really appreciate that original insight.
>>217998031The salt content alone should qualify it for health code violation stickers on the pot
>>217999872yeah she’s dog shit but gets replaced fast. s1 is rough in places but it’s the highest tier of kino once the show finds its stride. stick with it i promise
For me, it's A Voice in the Wilderness, Parts I & II
>>217999872intro movie kinda sucks in general, the first episode is much much betetr
>>217993747is this true? thats a tragedy because its kino intro to the series, much better than the pilot
>finish the show>it ends with an unresolved plotline where Gkar and Lyta leave to solve the narn telepath issue>none of the movies cover itMan, what a shame.Is the Crusade worth watching? It's the only thing left that I haven't seen.
>>218002637Crusade is good but it ends unresolved too it just gets canceled on a random episode.
>>217998502This desu. Star Trek has been retroactively ruined by how awful the new stuff is.I can't watch DS9 or TNG without thinking how lame the franchise is now.
>>218002637Crusade mostly sucks. if you believe JMS's autobiography then WB wanted out of their contract with him so they gave him insane demands/notes for the show that he wouldn't follow so WB could say they aren't getting what they paid for and back out.
>show that literally has a scene where some alien says "Never again..." while talking about jewsB5 fans are insane.
>>218003136You can pick apart a lot of stuff in this show, things that would have a modern show absolutely buried on /tv/, but it never explicitly puts down white males and carries good messages overall. Also the scummy and the slimy get their comeuppance (for the most part) while the just and selfless win (or at least shown to be correct even in downfall), so it gets a pass.
>>218003245
>>217998502This
The Centari war is on!
>>218003245It was made during the 90's where liberals thought that Reagan was an evil theocrat and Bill Clinton was a good old fashion American from Arkansas. A lot has changed since then.
>>217997604maybe it's because no B5 enjoyer is salty enough to raid trek threads to sperg about DS9 like you are doing right now here, think about it logically
>>217975455I'd watch but I had a bad trip involving that alien so watching the show now is pretty uncomfortable.
>>218008611omg u sound so interesting and worldly wowwww link to ur blog
>>218008611>that alienwhich one? Londo?
>>218002875then you're just as retarded as the franchisefags who will watch anything with a starfleet logo on it
>>218008786pakmara
>>217975455Is it like Star Trek Deep Space Nine? I don't mean that as a shitpost I just have a buddy showing me DS9 recently and I've been enjoying it really well and am looking for other space shows like it
>>218009491its almost identical in many ways but it has its own more gritty and realistic vibe as opposed to treks utopian futurism, and much more cohesive and well written charachter/story arcs and a bigger emphasis on these stories
>>218009491The basic premise is the same. Isolated space station, lots of aliens and traffic pass through, multi-season story arc about a possible war. The long-time rumours are that JMS (creator of B5) pitched the ideas to Paramount as a new Trek series, they rejected him, stole the pitch, and used it as the setup for DS9. So instead JMS went off and did the series he originally wanted himself, B5. It's lower budget (especially in season 1) and some of the acting is rough (again, early on) but it's better written and has better characters and better world building & foreshadowing.
>>218009491DS9 feels like a shithole outpost with mostly outlaws, B5 feels like the space United Nations with actual ambassadors sent by governments, very different atmosphere despite similarities
>>217975455>it deserves144p?
>>218009678>>218009695>>218009724Cool I'll look into it, thanks guys
>>218009491imagine if DS9 wasnt just about bajorans and cardasians but instead had a united nations system on the station and was a hub for a much more complex interstellar geopolitics and goings on, also its much more grounded realization of the future where humanity has pretty much just established its self as a viable power after enduring a few initial conflicts and is still fraught with all manor of economic and social issues rather than being some idealistic Utopian future like startrek. the charachters stories and overarching plot are all relatively full and rich and for the most part the show feels much more like there is a clear vision/direction underlying the whole thing rather than just making shit up as it goes
>>218009491B5 is the best sci-fi show of all time. nuff said.
On the last season of TNG so hopefully it won't be taken down when i'm done.
>>218009695> some of the acting is rough and always the humans, the aliens were usually great.
>>217975455Bland Yankee-doodle-dandy dogshit tier Sci-fi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtaDXnB1YsA
>>217996055Just imagine if they had gone through with the original idea for her character. Delenn was meant to start out as a man until the metamorphises. That's why their makeup in the pilot episode is so different.
>>218009993he was truly a tranny accelerationist ahead of his time
>>218009993it would have been gross, that makeup was FUGLY
>>218010871Yeah, that's why they dropped the idea.
>>218010886Pretty sure PTEN told JMS he couldn't have his tranny storyline so he came up with the excuse of not being able to get the makeup right rather than admit he caved to PTEN's demands. Given the time period the show was released, PTEN probably saved the show by stopping some of his excesses.
>>218010954No one gave a shit about such things back then, especially on some niche, unheard of sci-fi show. While the makeup wasn't great what really killed it was they couldn't get the (male) voice changer to work. It was simply easier and cheaper to drop the idea.
>>218011023No one "cared" because everyone knew not to force it into people's faces. But I'm sure you'll double, triple, and quadruple down on your fantasy that trannies were always accepted in society until a few years ago. The mentally ill never can admit they're wrong and are unable to resist the temptation to derail threads with their need for external validation of their degeneracy.
>>217975455It's a slog to watch. Only a couple of the actors are good and unlike shows like Star Trek they never learned to make them the focus. The whole thing is drenched in a weird American conservative Mormon military worship.
>>218009993>>218011023Trannies back then were in several scifi stories simply because it was just a silly futuristic idea that was obviously nonsensical, would never become reality, and just funny to think about. It's tough to come up with decent future ideas after a while. You have things like hover cars, food that cooks super fast, teleporters, ray guns. But then people want to see how society is different so you need wacky clothing, weird languages and different culture to laugh at such as men dressing in skirts. They weren't supposed to be mutilating themselves, chopping off their body parts then claiming to be the opposite sex. That's too unbelievable even for scifi
>>218011223The only one in this thread raging seems to be you.
>>218010954>>218011223You're a clueless zoomer with terminal American politics brainrot.
>>218011223No one "cared" because it was a standard sci-fi trope and they weren't being told by the media what to be angry at.
>>218011316That's cute. Did Epstein give you that opinion?
That first-time viewer reporting back in. Almost done with S1 now. Might start another Babylon 5 thread myself once I'm on to S2, if there isn't one in the catalogue then. Shame there isn't a B5 general (with occasional /trek/ discussion, as a refuge from /trek/ and nutrek generally).
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>>218011746>>218011457see>>218013022
>>217998502this
>>218013039Love you failing to tag them properly in your awful loser comeback. Your first day posting?
>>218013134>angry overemotional nonsequiturstruck a nerve, uh?
>>218013170Don't get mad because you made yourself look like an idiot.
>>218013206lolololol
>>218003268I like how Garibaldi is a Looney Tunes fan. He knows that most TV is trash, but he did know the one thing that can rise about it all.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHRzuXkVIJE
>>218013287>Garibaldi likes Daffy cartoons he starts laughing before the punchlinesHe is like me in many ways
>>218009491The people who faction war over DS9 and B5 are usually overlooking 1 very important detail about the conversation. That being, you don't have to choose one. You can watch and enjoy both of them.
>>218013322Yep, in this case is true
>>218011416le guin has terminal american politics brainrot
>>218013134It's actually hilarious how he thinks posting that pic somehow wins the argument. Honest to god smoothbrain mentality.
>>218013246Posting like a 60 year old reactionary on FB. Tell me, when was the last time your family spoke to you before they all cut off contact?
>>218013848>extremely angry and emotional political meltdown so much time laterkekDefinitely struck a nerve
jesus christ this thread went to shit
>>218014085I don't need schizophrenic images to muddle my argument up even further. Seriously seek help before downloading another cringe FB image from whatever over 70s group page you're on over there. You really like the colors don't you, they are pretty for your childlike brain.
Yeah. Maybe I won't start another one after all. This guy >>217998502 had it right.
>>218014311I think you should, it's just another show where odd 60 year olds that just started posting here a few years ago because it's edgy do not truly understand the series. It's more than worth the usual discussion.
>>218014301Lmao he gets angrier and angrier!Definitely struck a nerve!
>>218014546Grandad, we're all laughing at you.
>>218014638>welollmao even
>>218013322Yes, you can, however it's still important to acknowledge what happened. DS9 is popular, famous, and everyone lumps such praise on it like it came out of nothing as a genius inspiration of star trek writers. When the truth is that they're despicable for stealing the effortful work of someone else, claiming it as their own, and relegating his series to semi-obscurity. It's things like that which destroyed all writing creativity in the industry. Why bother creating fiver year long intricate stories that are thoroughly thought out, with tons of characters and arcs, including dozens of backup plots in case actors depart? It'll just get stolen. Plus audiences don't give a shit if you just wing it and make it all up on the fly now
>>218014546kek, the projection is unreal here. no one is angry, no one is laughing with you, we are all laughing at you.
