>>218011739
King Arthur was a Christian myth after Beowulf, and every bit as cool and long lasting. While in history, there was Phillip the Hammer, El Cid, William Marshall..

>>218011792m
bleh Charles the Hammer* (Martel)

>>218011739
Then why don't you return to your native Gods and Heroes, and reject rabbi Yeshua?

>>218011739
This movie's weird angst towards Christianity really brings it down for me. It's not really a nuanced take on the changing situation in the region, just angst

Don't look up what those weeping martyrs did to pagans

>>218011878
>weird angst towards Christianity
>produced and directed by Robert Zemeckis, written by Neil Gaiman
Hmm, I wonder why

>>218011856
The bible told you the sun was just the sun, and the moon was just the moon, rather than gods. Nor were there beast gods, tree gods, dirt gods, and so and on forth - and guess what? It was telling you the truth. You can't go back to some polytheistic larp after knowing all of these things are just objects or part of nature.
The war is either between Science or Monotheism. Pick one. Your romanticism about your "native" garbage is pointless.

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>>218011739
Weird how that never stopped us from conquering all the world.

>>218011856
I did, Odin actually answers my prayers ngl and it's nice to know gods do exist and intervene sometimes.

>>218011878
It's written by Gaiman, and while I don't mind the liberties taken in this rendition because they did a decent job weaving it into the actual story, Gaiman has major daddy-adultery issues that bleed through into everything he writes.

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I really fucking hate neopagans man. Ghetto aesthetics driven mentality, not one of them, can actually name aspects of the religion they like beyond the imagery

>>218011739
>the tale of Beowulf is still remembered only because Christian monks made the effort to write it down, adding some Christian elements for shit & giggles
lmao you're welcome, pagancucks.

>>218011885
Nothing heroic.

>>218011792
Iron man Superman Batman

>>218011965
Polytheism isn't any more more ridiculous than one god being behind all of it but really really discrete. They'd just make their own copes about magic not existing if they were popular enough to give a shit

>>218012093
That's what you get when your movement is propagated mostly by fedora-tipping redditors.

You fags are insufferable. Do you realise literally everyone immediately sees how phony you are?

>>218011739
yeah it's the time of Saints.
get your shit together.

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>>218011739
pipe down, dork

>>218011739
Its funny how all Nordfags ignore how Ragnarok basicaly ends with the god of goodness, that was betrayed and killed, ressurected and a hall of gold and hymns for all the good souls to go and that Odin did his darnest not to prevent ragnarok but basically made sure it WILL happen. What Odin spoke to Baldur when he went to Niffelheim was him asking for forgiveness

Norse is pretty much the Trailer Park Boys of mythology....

>>218013244
theres no way to know how much of that was real religion and how much of it is the interpretation of writers of the eddas

>>218011792
Those don’t count because I don’t like them

>>218011739
wILL?

>>218011965
500% correct.

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>>218012093
They're also hilariously pozzed, despite what they'll try to claim.

>>218012144
>Polytheism isn't any more more ridiculous than one god being behind all of it but really really discrete.
But it categorically is?... The concept of a singular "Prime Mover" is, philosophically & logically, far more consistent and reasonable than a gaggle of imperfect immortals that happen to look like us and have our own flaws and fight with each other, compete with each other, etc.

>>218011965
Holy shit, been a while since I've seen a Truth Nuke go off THIS hard.

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>>218011739
Oi mate you praying to this tree? Sorry need some lumber. Pagans are retarded fags.

>>218011965
Marcion was right and you are a fool

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>>218011739
>REEE Christians don't have legends and myths of heroes!
Except St. George the Dragonslayer. The Song of Roland. Ogier the Dane, Paladin of Charlemagne. Sir Guy of Warwick. The Knights of the Round Table. And so on.

>>218012025
you didn't conquer shit jew worshipper. It was capitalism and free trade which conquered all lands and seas

>>218014560
There isn't any monotheistic religion though. Even Christianity is polytheistic. Angels, Demons, Spirits, Satan, these would be qualified as other gods and/or demigods in the context of other religions. Is Gabriel, God's herald, with his wings and trumpet, really so different from Hermes, Olympus's herald? I'd argue that Gabriel might even be stronger, and Hermes is one of the throned Twelve Olympians.

And it's not just that God is the sole creator. All the polytheistic religions and myths have a sole creator, or prime mover. You could make the argument that Gaia, who birthed Uranus (the sky and heavens) and later the Titans and Gods for the Greeks. Or the Norse Ginnungagap prime mover, less a sentient creature and a force of creative nature, but still a creator deity.

how did a jewish spinoff religion that promotes weakness completely btfo all of the badass european pagan religions?

>>218014824
Most people will live and die as losers. Giving meaning to your suffering and telling yourself an eternal paradise is waiting you is a much better cope for your misery.

>>218014702
>Battle of Svolder never happened
>Battle of Clontarf never happened
>Battle of Stamford Bridge never happened
>Battle of Lechfeld never happened
>Battle of Ethandun never happened
Yeah, it's not like history is a never-ending example of Christians absolutely BTFOing pagans left and right. The Vikings and other treefags just got free traded into obscurity, not absolutely bitch-stomped every time they fought someone besides unarmed civilians.

>>218011965
>You can't go back to some polytheistic larp after knowing all of these things are just objects or part of nature.
if you actually believed this you wouldn't follow it up with
>The war is either between Science or Monotheism
because there is also no way back into a monotheistic larp from where we are now. pretending you really believe in jesus is no different than pretending you really believe in zeus. the very fact that we are able to take a step back and assess these beliefs like they're products on a shelf means that we are arguing from a secular perspective from which there is no way back into true religiosity. "christianity" "paganism" "islam" and so forth are just postmodern lifestyle larps we can engage in just like we can be into star trek or veganism or something. that's not what it was like to be a real christian back when christianity ruled the west, but those people are all extinct. best you can do is dress up as them for halloween.

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>>218014702
cope

>>218011739
Lmao, Christianity didn't "kill the time of heroes". It just created heroes the superseded the ones from prior (Saint George, King Arthur, Sir Galahad, Prester John, The Green Knight, William Tell, Roland, Robin Hood, etc), and even better, it provided some heroes that were actually real (El Cid, William Marshal, Robert Guiscard, Joan of Arc, Ernst Rüdiger von Starhemberg, etc).

>>218014824
It didn't and doesn't promote weakness. It's just been subverted by (((certain forces))) who pretend that the charitable parts are the only ones that exist and must be pursued to suicidal levels. Christianity is rooted in slaying evil and executing lawbreakers, but praying for their souls.

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>>218011792
>King Arthur
Rise of The Merlin is kino! Until this new show I didn't realize Arthurian Legend was "Christian".

>>218014953
>conservative girl icon is a closeted lesbian

Imagine my shock

>>218014824
Because its morally untouchable as you have to act as a good meaning individual at its core.

>>218014938
snowniggers can't accomplish anything so they just bitch and call everyone else gay

>>218014702
>you didn't conquer shit jew worshipper
Oh, wait, we didn't?... Then can you bearded Fedora faggots stop accusing us of being responsible for countless conquests and genocides and all that other stuff you pretend to care about so you can whine about Christianity?

>>218014978
Rose Reid is happily married. Idk about the other girl. It's sad that you have to lie to appease your Pagan gods. There's a reason demons and monsters are all dead and why Beowulf was a crybaby bitch about it (evil found that good is more powerful).

>>218014947
Enjoy Hell heretic

>>218014824
because it made slaves more obedient, and it had mechanisms for the actual chad rulers to avoid its limitations. the king would murder his own brother, father bastards with whores, invade his neighbors and slaughter them while they slept etc etc, and then he would fund a monastery with some of the loot and the monks would pray for him until all his sins were erased. later he will be declared a saint

>>218014503
>heathen

Why would you refer to your own religion as "paganism" or heathenry?" Don't you even know what these words mean?

>>218011965
gottem

>>218011739
I thought the Beowulf story was a pro-Christian story written by a medieval Anglo-Saxon monk.

>>218014597
Pagansisters...our response?... Lightning was SUPPOSED to strike him dead... ;_;

>>218015032
neopagans get off on being insulted by real religions

>>218015042
Bobby Zemeckis is an antitheist and those people have a tendency to miss the point

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>>218014702
>you didn't conquer shit jew worshipper.
Wait, really? Weird how we conquered not just the West but then the entire fucking planet, created the Modern Era and more than a third of the world's current population worships in the name of Christ. I wonder how that happened? I guess we just lucked into it, according to you...

>>218011739
He's right you know. christcuckery is bland, and brown. The sibling of judaism, and islam. It shackled the Western mind, and took centuries of reformation to become something that could be worked around.

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>>218015042
>thinking a Hollywood degenerate would ever genuinely adapt any sort of Christian or pro-Christian story without "sanitizing"/subverting it first

>>218011739
I always loved this movie.

https://youtu.be/sceMDojbjiM?si=1QWuuysf0SWXZm-y

>>218014947
>blessed are the meek
What did Big J mean by this?

>>218013084
no shut up norse myth is just like my capeshit except with blood and stuff

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>>218014824
It promotes the idea that the poor are the only good ones, which is very attractive to the miserable masses; for the evil sons of bitches it promotes the idea that you can wash away all your sins before you die, which is very attractive to many more

Beowulf is literally a christian myth, you guys do know that, right?

>>218015133
>It shackled the Western mind
It conquered the West and led the West to conquer the World. The West literally had its APEX under Christianity, and only now that atheists have spent centuries trying to rid the West's institutions of it is the West only now suddenly in rapid decline.
Christianity literally built the West we know and anti-Christian forces are the ones destroying it.

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>itt

>>218015228
The rest of that verse doesn't refute the idea that one shouldn't judge. So what's your point?

>>218015246
It directly does. You're supposed to be virtuous yourself to be able to judge others: "First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." You're also not supposed to be lenient towards people that don't deserve it: "Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you."

>>218015228
My favorite example of this is when Socialist retards try to claim that the Bible supports their classist hatred of anyone with more money than they have by taking the "through the eye of a needle" verse out of context and claiming it means wealth is INHERENTLY evil rather than that material possessions can serve to be spiritual distractions.

Just because I allow my wife to get turned out at the Solstice orgy doesn't make me a cuck. I'm fucking the other wives at the same time.

>>218015246
>the verse literally explains that you're allowed to judge others so long as you don't commit the same mistake as them yourself
>"nu-uh it doesn't lalala I can't hear you!"
Faggot.

>>218015115
>I wonder how that happened?
it happened through imitating pagan rome. all christian civilization is an attempt to return to the glory of prechristian rome, and the extent to which it ignored christian principles in favor of roman ones is the extent to which it has succeeded. christ told you success is shameful, strength is shameful, wealth is shameful, so why are you boasting of conquest? he told you to be passive and let people trample you into the dirt. do you think christian europe would have conquered the planet if it actually listened to that vile shit instead of just pretending? and at the same time, can you imagine the heights it could have climbed to if it didn't have to pretend?

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>Pagans are STILL mad that Christianity supplanted their garbage, dirt-worshipping religion with actual Truth & Redemption, told you stop committing human-sacrifice and having butt-sex with each other, and elevated Western Man to his absolute zenith

Are they the sorest losers in history? It has been well over 1,500 years by now.

>>218015246
>Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

>3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

>6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

The point of the verse is to not focus on being critical of the failures of others and to instead focus on your own issues instead. Judging goes both ways, so the moment you judge someone, they will judge you back. Thats the core meaning.

Liberals will directly misquote all of this to mean it to say that you should just tolerate and accept anything and everything because you cant judge. The famous pearls to swine quote is basically saying dont waste your time talking to idiots.

>>218015361
>christ told you success is shameful, strength is shameful, wealth is shameful
You have SORELY misinterpreted the sayings of the Bible. You have NO IDEA what you're talking about.

>>218015390
>Liberals will directly misquote all of this to mean it to say that you should just tolerate and accept anything and everything because you cant judge.

Liberals will just say Christians are hypocrites, and feel vindicated in their judgments. Which most of them are.

>>218015393
He's a kike golem who purposely spreads lies about "interpretations" of the Bible, don't bother. All paganLARPers are just fedoratippers with extra steps.

>>218015361
>he told you to be passive and let people trample you into the dirt.
He literally told people to rise up and slay those that do evil and defy the goodness of God.

>>218015213
>Atheists
Those damn atheist bankers, and their propaganda empires. It would be convenient for christcucks if that were true. That would allow you to sidestep the fact that we suffer jewish influence because christcuckery opened the doors for them.
>led the West to conquer the World
After centuries of reformation. islam nearly conquered Europe while christcuck Kings bickered amongst themselves. They then allowed muslims to squat in Spain for centuries. When christcuckery was at its most potent it couldn't even hold onto its own brown holy land. Europe thrived inspite of christcuckery attempting to throttle it.

>>218015407
>you want to win and you want me to lose, hypocrite much?

>>218015429
What religion are you a part of?

>>218015418
Proof?

>>218015429
>Those damn atheist bankers, and their propaganda empires.
Yes? Are you genuinely trying to claim that the West doesn't have MORE THAN ENOUGH atheistic/"""non-religious""" people for that not to be true?
>muh jews
The jews you're complaining about are the racial-kind of jews that are atheists, not actual practicing judaic worshippers. Though there is SOME cross-over.

>>218014947
>Christianity is rooted in slaying evil and executing lawbreakers
yeah and christ is the lawbreaker being executed. are you retarded? your holy symbol is a method of execution and you pray to a criminal shitting himself as he croaks. christianity is ON THE SIDE of the trash that deserves to die.

>>218015418
He told people to love their enemies and pay their taxes.

Whole lot of kvetching going on itt, huh? Christ is King, you queers.

>>218013084
Nordfags/paganfags don't actually know anything about or really care about their supposed religion, it's just current year fedora shit. They just have angst with Christianity and that's literally it. What's funnier is that if they could get over themselves and just read into Christianity I'm sure there is enough metal stuff in it to cater to these mental midgets

>>218011739
He's basically lamenting that he wouldn't be the equivalent of a celebrity like other "heroes" that had come before him. That straight up violence and slaughter would no longer be celebrated as it once was. That the world was moving towards reason

>>218014660
Paganfags don't read or know anything, they just bitch and whine

Vargfags post this quote out of context from a movie shitting on epic heroes by having Beowulf and Hrothgar fuck Grendel's mommy and spawn the monsters that destroy them.

>>218011739
Most Christian heroes are just martyrs. AKA people famous for dying and doing nothing else.

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>>218015461
I'm not. What comes after death is irrelevant until I'm dead. The only thing that can be proven is that there is no deity powerful enough, or caring enough to prove its own existence. Life is enjoyable enough without the guarantee of an encore.
>>218015480
Wipe the drool off your shirt, spastic.

>>218011965
"The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you"

-Warner Heisenberg

>>218015393
he literally told you that if you get rich you can't go to heaven. you can contort yourself however you want to interpret it away but it's still there, undeniable, right in the middle of your holy scripture. you believe in a god that openly said he will punish you for doing well in the universe that he created and reward those who do poorly. you cannot possibly really believe that and be successful in the world, so clearly christianity has succeeded only through selectively ignoring it's own basic tenets and quietly still following the "might is right" philosophies of the pagans whose empires they inherited. christian europe is the product of emulating constantine the pagan conqueror, not christ the pathetic dead criminal.

>>218015673
>keeps spreading lies even after being directly disproven
Bold move by the enlightened atheist who probably has a diaper fetish.

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>>218014660
Paganfags cannot handle that even the motherfucking Doomslayer is heavily inspired by Christianity

>>218011965
>>218015625
there's nothing conflicting about science and monotheism
religions though? all fake, all false
but could there be some sort of "god" behind the nature of existence? sure, why not. He's nothing like what's described in Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc. and in my lifetime I'll never know anything about him. I don't live my life in service or in dedication to whatever force, if one exists, is behind the nature of existence. If there is one, it is already imbued in my being and I will live it out with strength and virtue and the will to live

>>218015710
The deist larp got tiresome 300 years ago dude. Christ is King.

>>218015710
What if the real God is the friends we made along the way?

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>>218014824
Only a retard fails to understand that generosity flows from a position of strength. One must be strong in order to give. Do not confuse kindness with weakness

>>218015418
huh?
>“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
go on, listen to christ. when the nigger migrants come to rape your wife, give them your daughter also. christ has told you: do not resist evil, like he didn't resist being executed. let the niggers slit your throat and you will go to heaven: that's christianity.

>>218011739
This movie was an early example of kike subversion. A great white story is subverted with the hero fucking the monster and they made sure to fit in a diatribe denouncing Christ. Brought to you by kike rapist Neil Gaiman.

>>218015736
you're not even monotheist

>>218015791
Yeah that's clearly what he meant retard. How long is this forced meme going to last?

I like how the paganLARPer already got completely BTFO right here >>218015228 and then just ignored it and instead doubled down.

>>218014503
>heathen

Why would you refer to your own religion as "paganism" or heathenry?" Don't you even know what these words mean?

>>218015825
You don't know what that word means
>b-but the Logos is separate from the Source!
Metaphysicalet. That doesn't mean they're "separate gods" and therefore pagan.

>>218015808
How could you NOT trust a man named Kneel Gayman?

>>218015693
why are you calling your own scripture a lie you retard? he told you:
>It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.
these are the words of your lord. for you to deny them is blasphemy. this is what i'm talking about: christians have to ignore their own tenets to function, because their tenets are idiotic and suicidal.

>>218015871
you deify a man just like the muslims do
stop worshiping a man

>>218011965
Tsar Bomba sized trvke

>>218015868
All pagan identity comes from Christians writing about them. They have no other concept to go off of because they're devoid spiritually.
It'd be fucking funny their entire identity was based on their enemy's perception and writings if it wasn't so fucking pathetic and annoying.

Why are atheists always so incredibly stupid, uneducated and unethical?

>>218015849
>Yeah that's clearly what he meant retard.
yes, literally and absolutely yes. you are not supposed to resist evil. you are supposed to endure evil in order to be rewarded in heaven after you die. that's christianity. are you retarded? ask your priest or pastor or whatever the hell if you don't believe me.

>>218015921
Yup I was right. You're metaphysicalet whose never read the bible and has no concept of history or spirituality outside of wikipedia and reading facebook memes on 4chan.

>>218015972
you're the one speaking in memes dude

>>218015849
>How long is this forced meme going to last?
you mean how long will your scripture be telling you to be a victim on purpose? as long as you let it

>>218015943
Yeah ignore al the times Jesus openly denounced and directly attacked evil. You're literally worse than the worst baptisms trying to twist words.
Real ironic that, lowering yourself to exactly what you hate, IE the worst of Christians

>>218015989
Nice deflection faggot. You have nothing of substance for me to discuss.